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#24511 - 05/13/09 12:04 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: Mike]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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The crutch you are talking about is different from the crutch Toni was talking about. She was referring to people who use to cope with reality, not some debiliating condition. And I would agree with her that people who "need" it just to "get through the day" are pathetic.

Everyone has problems, it is a fact of life and no amount of any drug will truly help. I know, I know, saying that it only makes one forget about there problems and doesn't do anything to fix them sounds like a cliche after-school special, but it is true none the less.

On a side note, here are two quotes I enjoy pertaining to the matter at hand:

"Reality is just a crutch for people who can't cope with drugs" - Lily Tomlin

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anybody, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
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#24521 - 05/13/09 10:02 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
Hendrix, The Doors, Led Zepplin, Nirvana, Joplin. Classic movies, classic works of art, classic novels. Who is to say that without the aid of substances, these artists would have been able to create what they did?


Yeah, and most of them are pushing daisies. While substances may have aided them, they were consumed by them. If they would've put the needle down they probably could've accomplished more. In my opinion I think it's more talented to be able to create WITHOUT the use of drugs.
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#24561 - 05/13/09 10:17 PM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: Mike]
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Move along, Mikey. You obviously haven't been reading the thread.

And you know what? Since you want to bring the medical world into this, I totally agree that most presciption drugs are crutches as well. Sorry to take the wind out of your little sail of victory.

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I do feel that when I smoke pot I reach a higher level of thinking and am able to comprehend things and process thoughts on a whole new level.


So? That doesn't mean that you aren't weak willed. That just means that you admit that you are incapable of harnessing your own intellect without the aid of drugs. Remind me, how is that something to be proud of?

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He's had the shittiest life you can imagine, family problems and such. He saw doctors over and over again until they finally got him on the right medication. I have to say he is doing a lot better with the medication.


I guess it never occurred to your friend to change his situation, huh? OH! That would require effort, and we all know that "effort" is synonymous with "evisceration"...

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#24564 - 05/13/09 10:38 PM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Some people can not function without medication.
The natural chemicals/balances in their body is just outta whack.

Drugs do help these people.

As to illegal substances, it varies with the time periods.
What was legal becomes illegal, then legal again.

Yes, when you need a drink to function, it's a crutch.
When you need heroin to function it's a crutch. Even if at one point it was legal and the best thing for asmtha.

When you need a substance to get out of bed, it may be a crutch.
If the substance stops voices, controls cancer pains, and stabizes your vital signs, its not a crutch, its necessary.

Pot does help people, but as with any substance, there will be people who will abuse it.

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#24568 - 05/13/09 11:10 PM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: Mike]
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I heard on the radio today that one of Snoop Dogg's entourage was caught with weed. Snoop pulled out his medicinal marijuana prescription and said the weed was his and that the guy was just accepting the package on his behalf. How funny is that? That Snoop has a prescription for marijuana? Kind of like allowing a pedophile to open a day care center.

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#24642 - 05/15/09 09:06 PM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: Morgan]
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I know, but the point of the conversation was about the people who do NOT need a type of medication (including pot) to be able to function. It was about people who are just too weak to do anything else. Mike dragging legitimate medical needs into it is like trying to justify illegal immigration by saying that some mexicans arrive through the proper channels. It's neither here nor there because the conversation has nothing to do with the LEGITIMATE cases.

Though I agree with you regarding the people who honestly need medication. I have a friend who is a paranoid schizophrenic and truly needs medication in order to function in any type of rational way. I would never dream of criticizing him for his cabinet full of pills. But the guy who's first waking thought is "I need to get high" is just a loser. Period.

And for the record, I had a very heated exchange of correspondence with my congressman many years ago regarding the medical benefits of marijuana. Not every pot smoker is a dope fiend, but if you aren't dying of cancer or aids, going blind from glaucoma, or suffering from any of the other legitimate uses of the stuff and you just want it because you are too weak or lazy to deal with reality, then in my opinion you are a loser. (And I don't mean you per se, I mean you the masses).

Pot, et al., is illegal. Even if I did enjoy the stuff (which I do not because I enjoy clarity of thought and pot prevents it for me), it would still be out of the question for me because I value my freedom more than I do a high. There are plenty of legal ways to escape reality and I think only a fool would jeopardize that.

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#24648 - 05/16/09 01:45 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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I didn't realize that satanists were so button down. I'm of the school of thought that if I want to ingest, smoke, inject or snort a substance then that would be my business as it is my body.

I don't expect anyone to roll me out of the pool of blood, vomit or other excretia as it was my decision to take such action in the first place and I am responsible.

Calling someone a loser for smoking pot is laughable. Does not smoking pot make me a winner? Is drinking alcohol allowed?
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#24649 - 05/16/09 02:36 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: love.light.peace]
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Just how does getting high make you a winner?

Do you think you are *more satanic* because you break the law and get away with it? If so then you are a moron because on the off chance that you ARE caught, there goes your freedom. On the upside, though, prison is full of *love*.

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I'm of the school of thought that if I want to ingest, smoke, inject or snort a substance then that would be my business as it is my body


It's also your business if you want to fuck a collie, but that doesn't mean that I cannot have an opinion on it. If you don't like my opinion, don't chime in. AND, if you don't like my opinion, make a reply that actually says something. Your post is a waste of my time because you don't back up a damn thing you say and you don't say much anyway. Put some fucking effort into it...or did you get high and forget what you were typing?

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I didn't realize that satanists were so button down.


It's not a matter of whether or not I'm "hip" and personally I don't give two shits whether or not you think I'm cool. Read the entire thread. If you diagree with the overall theme that people who cannot make it through life without unnecessary crutches are losers then post an actual reply, not a few lines saying that my opinion is laughable...without even explaining WHY my opinion is laughable.

You have brought a spoon to a swordfight, little hippy boy. Why don't you come back when you are able to flesh out your post and actually back up what you claim.


Edited by ceruleansteel (05/16/09 02:39 AM)
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#24650 - 05/16/09 02:38 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: love.light.peace]
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Responsibility to the responsible, and, indulgence, not, compulsion.

I think the most important word there is responsibility. No, smoking pot does not make you a loser, but, if your entire life revolves around getting high; you are a loser. And if you need drugs to function, thus the use becoming more of a compulsion than an indulgence, you are also a loser. Ultimately each must take responsiblity for their actions. Regardless of whether their actions are the result of an indulgence or a compulsion.

It has been said that since the most important thing to the Satanist is their own life, they won't participate in the use of drugs.(I am paraphrasing of course) To me this seems a little hypocritical. Especially when one takes into account the dictum of "indulgence not compulsion".

If I choose to indulge in a bowl of weed, a shot of Jack or even a line coke; isn't that ultimately my decision? If abstinence is so abhored shouldn't it be my "right" to indulge in the use of mind altering substances? I am mine own redeemer, after all.

Since the true pleasures of our lives reside solely in the earthly realm; who are you to condemn me for doing everything I can to get the "most" out of it? I realize that there are those who might choose to live a "clean" lifestyle, and, more power to them, but how you choose to live your life will not always synch up with how another choses to live theirs.
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#24651 - 05/16/09 02:50 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Was that last part to me?

There is nothing abhorrent in and of abstaining. I abstain from a lot of things that do not benefit me in the grand scheme of things, such as murdering people who piss me off and burning down institutions whose ideals I disagree with.

I know people who smoke pot and though I disagree with their choice to do so, I begrudge some of them the right because they have good paying jobs, take care of their responsibilities, and put those responsibilities first. Do I think they are a loser? In a way, yes. Because one bad traffic stop or one ill-timed drug test is all it would take to ruin everything they worked for.

I reiterate my previous statement: (sane and medically sound) People who must depend on ANYTHING in order to get them through the day are losers. They are weak, they are fools and they are cowards. Indulgence is one thing, obsession is another. And like I have also previously stated, there are plenty of legal methods of getting high.

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#24652 - 05/16/09 02:56 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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I live in Dopeland. It is not as tolerant as the Dutch but at some levels we are ranking second at that aspect. Personally I do have no problems with drugs and occasionally I do use them. But at no level I have ever been dependent upon them. I can use frequently and when tired of it, go months/years without. Me and alcohol is similar. I dig it for a while, then have absolutely no need for it.

I went through the whole drugs and getting more out of yourself experimentation; the old idea that drugs do somehow open up something at creative levels. I tried a lot, ranging from alcohol to other chemical substances, and in all cases, the next morning I had more work erasing the shit on the canvas than admiring what I produced. I do think that the unlocking nature of drugs is an excuse for people acting upon that what they really desire instead of repressing it as they are programmed to do. The ass-pinching drunk is a nice example. That is what the dude really wants to do but not until alcohol lowered his self-control far enough, he actually dares to.

I can't say I ever had great thoughts while being intoxicated. The brain works best when being sober. Being drunk and thinking is like watching porn; you only remember some details but have no clue what the story was about. Those that say they have splendid ideas only when being far-out, I suspect of not using it properly when being close-in. Drugs should only be seen as taking a vacation from yourself. Or to avoid side-effects while using other substances.

What I largely noticed in Dopeland here is not that tolerance of drugs leads into a disaster. In fact in non-tolerant countries, dumbness seems to be on a march too so I don't think it is drug related at all. But daily users here, or at least those that I know, seem to change in what I call turtles. There is some sort of apathy that is triggered in them, not only in their highs but also in their tox-free periods. As if life is nothing but slowly floating on and leaving all effort or progress behind. Or course this is not the case for all.

I do not oppose drugs. At best it is identical to mentally going on a vacation and at its worst it is a splendid artificial selection mechanism that weeds out those that social Darwinism can't reach.

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#24653 - 05/16/09 02:56 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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LOL Toni, no, nothing was directed at you \:\) I was simply stating my point of view. I understand where you are coming from, and I agree. When I said "you" I didn't mean you in particular. I was referring to "you" as a cohesive mass of holier than thou, thou shalt not'ers.
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#24659 - 05/16/09 09:07 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Dear Ceruleansteel,

I still find you amusing, and strangely alluring. I must have some kind of thing for females that exude power. If Condoleeza hit me up for a one night stand I'd find it hard to say no.

You seem to be obsessed with ranking people. You are damn right that it's my business whether I fuck a collie or not. That's if the collie is consenting and over 16 in dog years (What is that like three?).

I'm not saying that smoking pot is cool. I'm just saying that some people choose to do it and that would be their business.

I'm sorry if my posts aren't up to scratch - I didn't realise it was a competition. Calling me a hippy doesn't really sting that much. You say hippy like it's a bad thing.

Love, light and peace.
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#24660 - 05/16/09 09:39 AM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: love.light.peace]
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You know lolipop..
I don't mind seeing people rolling a joint, taking drugs etc.

Once in a month I even use a waterpipe. I can still say no if they offer me a smoke or a joint.

Drugs only work dormant. Drugs are silent killers. You can smoke or use it once in a while. Even as much as you like. But from the day you decide you want to stop because you have that "nasty cough", it's over. You'll quickly start noticing you are missing your "daily" relaxation. From that point, your life is being ruled by the drugs.

Steel has a point ranking you lower because of it. I do the same thing. Drugs might be fun, but their side-effects aren't. Many nutjobs and hippies claim "it isn't that bad". Well they are right. It is worse.... I've already seen people starting to smoke weed and the whole downward process that occurred. I didn't mind as long as I wasn't bothered. But hell, I hate to see potential rotting away by a lack of backbone. But then again.. they deserved it..


Edited by Dimitri (05/16/09 09:41 AM)
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#24669 - 05/16/09 12:54 PM Re: Dude, Where's My Pot? [Re: Dimitri]
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I never said I did smoke pot. I just believe that if someone wants to do something that brings no harm to others then that is fine by me.

I find your obsession with ranking people strangely freudian in an anal-retentive parent pleasing kind of way.


Edited by love.light.peace (05/16/09 12:55 PM)
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