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#24922 - 05/23/09 06:29 AM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Scarlett156]
Morgan Offline
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"Where Modern Magick is going, was more inline with the current state of affairs, not in regards to what works in modern times.

If what you do works for you, okay, but that was not the nature of this discussion."

Look, you don't get it, and thats okay.
You statement below proves it:
"but there is always gonna be the "ring pass not", beyond which we are not able to go in our present forms"

Satanist's don't believe in limits, and don't believe we change into another form. You get one shot, one chance. Thats it.

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#24953 - 05/24/09 01:34 PM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Morgan]
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Love him or hate him, the Dali Lama is a true Adept - a Holy Man in the truest sense. While I personally have little use for Buddhism, one can learn a great deal from a man who has spent a lifetime in this sort of esoteric study.

The Dali Lama explains that all of the worlds great religions teach essentially the same thing - piety, compassion, and peace. The reason they differ is because they are for and of the different peoples of the Earth, and they take on a character based on the individual temperament of those peoples.

Most religions are for the masses. The Satanist, occultist and devotes of the LHP are a much rarer breed. 'We' are of many and varied types and temperaments. So too, we may need systems that are as unique as ourselves.

As MT points out, what may be required are individualized systems and techniques. It is worth having a fairly broad occult knowledge, if for nothing else, to understand some of the more basic principles involved in these sorts of rituals and to open up your own psyche.

Too many people come to the occult looking for a 'how to' manual - set of stereo instructions that will allow them to seduce women, smite foes, and gain power. No such thing exists. The power comes from the magician himself - your own personal power. Never forget this. The strength must come from within. The powerful wizard is powerful by his very nature. A lightning bolt is not made powerful, it is energetic by its very nature.

But, as an aid to the neophyte, I will offer a few concrete things:

Free your mind. Most people do not reach anywhere near their full potential because they are unaware that such a thing is even possible. For initial study, I would not even look AT ALL into occult texts. Look to the book section here for Books of Left Hand Path. Understand the basic meta-physics of unbound human potential.

Develop your own personal power. Learn how to network and gain friends and allies. Learn how others see you. Learn what makes a person credible and trustworthy and then BECOME that person.

Understand the inner workings of human psyche. Know yourself and seek self-improvement. Understand how you yourself work. The study of transcendental experiences involving meditation and/or extreme physical and mental conditioning will usually prove useful here. So too, you may gain great understanding by the use of powerful psychotropic compounds. But be forewarned, as Crowley points out (and he would know) people who are not grounded in their own psyche will fail to cross over the Abyss to their own peril. The world is full of such people.

Where to ramble? You are here. The Left Hand Path is a way (in the Japanese sense of the word) - not a destination. When you have learned it all you will attain Enlightenment. And upon becoming Enlightened you will then realize that you know nothing at all. Or so I am told.....
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#24988 - 05/25/09 08:17 PM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Fist]
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I do not consider the Dali Lama a true adept of anything other than his own truly nihilistic paradigm. I have witnessed him on several occasions being unable to answer questions because he cannot comprehend a premise that does not fit within his own world view. He covers his ignorance/defeat with a little chuckle and a smile as though he is all knowing and above answering the question.

His supposed insight into the true nature and birth of religion is comical. People, yes even common people, have understood the fact that all religions have a similar, if not identical, root, for thousands of years. Religion has also been used as a cover for mans natural need to assert power for thousands of years. I do not really see what this has to do with the current state of Magick.

I am not sure I did point out or endorse people individualizing/bastardizing their own systems and techniques. While I do believe some systems, or parts of many, will inherently align with individuals will, I detest the concepts of change on a whim and doing whatever one wants.

I do however agree with the applied use of techniques that may be referred to as Practical Magick though; a system that, at the moment, may be christened basic psychology or social psychology. But again, this is just proving my point; we are stuck in an aeonic rut.

I am not sure you are getting my point, and you do tend to contradict yourself a tad. I have met my HGA a number of times it is not something you attain then have forever and yes, this is one of the times you realize how little or much you understand, but it still does not explain why there has been no major movement/change in so long.


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#24993 - 05/26/09 12:08 AM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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"but it still does not explain why there has been no major movement/change in so long."


Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do the work instead of leading themselves.

Every movement has a force behind it or a rally point. At this point in time, no one is really stepping up their game.

Sometimes to have a change, you have to make or be the change.

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#24998 - 05/26/09 03:54 AM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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here are some interesting thoughts on demonology, magic and buddhism, and other things relating to buddhism. since the dalai lama came up briefly, i thought i would provide this link. whether or not you agree with the concepts herein, i think it will make for entertaining reading:
http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/SDLE/Contents.htm

why do you think his insight into the birth of religion is comical? what do you think his world view is?
this may not be where you want this topic to go, so i understand if you'd rather not answer, but must say i'm curious.
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#24999 - 05/26/09 04:43 AM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
"but it still does not explain why there has been no major movement/change in so long."


Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do the work instead of leading themselves.

Every movement has a force behind it or a rally point. At this point in time, no one is really stepping up their game.

Sometimes to have a change, you have to make or be the change.

Morgan




There's definitely something to be said for the laziness of people and the stagnation of magical thought, but it extends far beyond simply wanting someone else to do their thinking for them. It's often a case of those who are unqualified and undeserving foisting their ideas upon others without basis and without any real experiential credibility.

Some of the posters here are a case in point, although the same thing can be seen on any board that deals in ideas of an esoteric nature. What is the problem? Simply put, people "talking out of their ass." For every one person who's actually done some of the legwork that's required in understanding "magical concepts" and the "physics" of magic, there are twenty who "have a pet theory that they KNOW works." Not because they've TRIED it and experimented and have been able to replicate their results, but because they read a book about (insert your favorite fictional demonic character here) and they are sure that if you summon the demon and use the severed limb of a red feathered chicken and...

The web today has spawned thousands of adepts who're nothing more than kids or lonely souls in a darkened room, illuminated only by the reflected glow of their computer screen, desperately hoping that their imagination can bring forth a world that never was, save in their mind, that they can populate with those who they can convince to swallow the pablum they offer. It's the egalitarian pit of waste that proclaims "everyone is special, and YOU have a RIGHT to be, simply because you are."

If history and a longitudinal study of human's born to lead shows us anything, those who rise to greatness in ANY field are few and far between, while some show competence, some show interest, and some simply plod along, claiming that which they have no right to claim, plagiarizing thoughts of others, and hoping they can fake it until they make it (sorry Tony Robbins). They seldom do.
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#25070 - 05/28/09 10:55 AM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Jake999]
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^^^ That's pretty much what I was saying, and it's pretty much what I have observed. There is a competition to be innovative where younger dabblers in magic are concerned right now that to me is a lot like how everybody wants to get a guitar and imagines as he does so that he's going to be the next Carlos Santana, set the music industry on its ear, and blah de blah. He subsequently bogs down trying to learn one song, gets embarrassed,and gets rid of the guitar.

It's repetitive and tiresome. Those who are doing truly innovative work with magic seldom toot their own horns so loudly. A magician who is worth anything as far as development of the science is concerned does not typically get up in the morning and say to himself, "I'm going to start my own school of magic today, write a book, get famous"--rather, his interests and projects consume his waking hours, and he's more interested in seeing if his stuff works, rather than wasting energy in trying to be "different". Likely he's so used to being thought of as different, distinguishing himself is not going to be first and foremost among his concerns anyway.

And if I failed to answer the OP's question clearly enough--I try to avoid predicting where society's trending will end. For one thing, I don't have enough interest in where modern magic is going that I want to put that much thought into the question, and secondly, I avoid predicting societal trends because then when a change does occur, it will be a surprise--it may not always be a pleasant surprise, but any surprise is better than none.


An educated guess on my part makes me consider that since Government has begun to incorporate various occult disciplines (such as remote viewing) into its programs, that is also the way modern magic will go, since getting a paycheck from the government for DOING MAGIC would, I'm thinking, tickle a great many magicianly egos. And we all know how disastrously irresponsible many magicians are. *starts to pray*

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#25101 - 05/28/09 08:44 PM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Scarlett156]
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"I don't have enough interest in where modern magic is going that I want to put that much thought into the question, and secondly, I avoid predicting societal trends because then when a change does occur, it will be a surprise.."

Then why the hell are you responding to a thread on where modern magic is going?

You should simply say, "I dont care where modern magic is going, that you practice online and do solo shit yourself."

As for remote viewing shit, thats old stuff...
As for magician being irresponsible, well that tells alot about the people you know.
As for prayer, well come on now.

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#25125 - 05/29/09 06:27 PM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Morgan]
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I'm sorry, mom. I replied in the topic because I wanted to add a response. Isn't that what we're all doing? (And if it's not what we are all doing, then what ARE we doing?) \:\(

I like internet discussion forums. I answered the OP's questions and gave some of my opinions, and didn't realize that I was supposed to make a particular type of response, I guess...? I read the rules of the forum very carefully upon joining. I was making a commentary about the original post, and didn't mean anything personal toward anyone. I don't think what I said was attacking, vague, provocative, unnecessary, or impertinent.

I think you are taking my remarks too personally for whatever reason. I'm not trying to provoke you! lol You have a right to your opinions, whatever they concern. Either way, I guess I'll probably eventually get banned no matter what I say, so whatever! xoxo
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#25126 - 05/29/09 06:39 PM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Scarlett156]
Morgan Offline
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I'm not your mom.
I tend to kill my kids, sometimes by mistake, sometimes on purpose.
I am not taking your stuff personally, I just find it annoying that you ramble on and on without really saying anything.

The quoted lines in my above message were taken from your post.
You stated that you didn't care about the topic, and where it was going.

Whatever, I feel that it's gettng to the point where I am feeding a troll with attention.

Morgan
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#25137 - 05/30/09 08:42 AM Re: Where to ramble? [Re: Scarlett156]
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 Originally Posted By: Scarlett156
Either way, I guess I'll probably eventually get banned no matter what I say, so whatever! xoxo


Everyone, including me might eventually get banned but unlike you present it, it is all in our own hands. Responsibility to the responsible.

The problem for most on this board, which is seen as the best aspect of it by others, is that this board can be demanding. We are not like the world out there; all embracing. While this is an Internet discussion forum, this is NOT just another Internet discussion forum. I know there are many satanic boards out there that don't demand too much of people; them being there and participating in whatever manner seems to be enough for them. I personally don't find that approach very satanic. While we do give people some credit at some levels, we do not grant too much of it at other levels. We do demand from people that they are on their best when posting here. Of course some are smarter than others, more knowledgeable or ignorant at different levels or have a better grasp of the language and how to write down their ideas or opinions. It all differs in age, education, effort and interest... And while it might be impossible for us to see at times if someone gives their best, the ones posting do know it very well themselves. It's a matter of being true to oneself, about raising the bar for oneself and thus improving. Improvement is something we do notice however. That very drive, the will, the intention is satanic and it is what should differ us from the mass to begin with.

Many people here lack that will, that drive, but as one can verify on the board, they don't last long lives here. Most get bored or burned. They get bored because will was never one of their biggest strengths. They get burned because our fire is hotter and more consuming than the one they have or imagine to have inside them.

Like I said, it is all in everyone's own hands. There is a social aspect to this place and people that are not socially skilled will eventually fail here, or suffer the consequences of such failure. People not socially skilled here, very likely are not socially skilled out there. There's a part devoted in Satanism to lesser magick and while I myself prefer to call it psychology, it is or should be a skill of any Satanist. If you posses it out there, you can show it in here and visa versa. But even in that, there might be some people that don't like you or don't like what you say. That again is human nature and one should learn when it pays to battle it or when it is wiser to retreat. Many people tend to feel emotionally raped when someone doesn't adore them or their ideas and get either hostile or defensive while the best approach at times might be to just ignore it and be silent. It's all about consequences. People are a funny breed and not until you find out how anyone ticks, you can take advantage of it. All too many here fail at analyzing others and by that discovering the best approach. And that is what it in the end is about, finding an approach to debate your ideas and convince others of their worth, or realizing they were not worth much to begin with so one can improve. Intentionality in all you do is raising the bar, for you and for others.

Now, be a Satanist and make yourself proud.

D.

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