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#2490 - 12/02/07 03:48 PM Arrogance vs. Elitism
hellbent666
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Arrogance: –noun offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

Elitism: n.
The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

Now I've been running into some serious issues with people on different Satanic forums about these two issues. As you can see they are similar but one is, in my opinion, a very negative quality and that is arrogance. We are a different breed all together but due to our philosophical stand point does that make us superior to everyone else? I don't claim to be one of those people that thinks they have the whole religion market cornered but I do know what suits and works for me. I consider myself a LaVeyan Satanist and have been for 8 years now. Now since I consider myself a part of the "Alien Elite" I choose to think that I have something that no one else does on a grand scale. I have loads of will power and tons of determination but I don't think that I'm better than anyone else because of it. A lot of registered CoS memebers think that you're only valuable to the church's eclectic members if you are of high social status. I'm basically a no body when it comes to how much money I make a year but I'm a talented artist and wonderful friend, doesn't that make me just as valuable? I think it does. But these arrogant fucks don't see it that way, they think that just because they are "elite" that that makes them able to be extremely arrogant on top of the fact. Isn't overbearing pride not a Satanic ideal? Isn't that teetering on the brink of pretentiousness? I'm pretty sure it is. Who are we (besides "our" own gods) to say that we are better than the next person? I think everyone has their good qualities and bad qualities and I pick and choose. If you have more good qualities than bad ones then chances are I'll like you more. I also have done some things in the past that I'm not proud of but does that make me any less of a Satanist then say a official member of the CoS? I don't think so. They say we're born not made and I agree with this to an extent. I don't think we abide by all of the Satnic principles when we are little but I think it starts to make sense as we get older. I think all of us have made some "immoral" choices but I don't think you can continue to judge people based on their past because people do change. So my question to all of you is do you think that a healthy practice of elitism is good for us but bad when you start to think you're the coolest shit in the world? Lemme know.

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#2492 - 12/02/07 04:55 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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For your clarification:

Satanism is a tool used to boost the ego. Yes, we are superior in intellect and sense above society.

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A lot of registered CoS memebers think that you're only valuable to the church's eclectic members if you are of high social status.


It's merit, not inherit. If you're in a position that earns you low income, then that's your problem and you must face the consequences of those actions and accept the responsibility. The CoS isn't some revenue-raising funhouse, you don't have to join. Membership is OPTIONAL, remember?

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But these arrogant fucks don't see it that way, they think that just because they are "elite" that that makes them able to be extremely arrogant on top of the fact.


Satanists are free to be who they are naturally. If that means arrogant, fine. If that means negative or positive, that's fine to. Seems to me that you just have a problem with all Satanists. If you don't like them, ignore them and stop wasting our valuable time posting your oxymoronic besmirching rants about how much you detest all Satanists.

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I also have done some things in the past that I'm not proud of but does that make me any less of a Satanist then say a official member of the CoS?


No. If you have taken responsibility for those actions and faced the consequences head-on, and have discontinued those things - then congratulations on furthering yourself. If you have failed to discontinue those things, then you're a moron.

"You've walked into a vipers nest and now you're complaining because you got bitten."

You keep repeating your detest for Satanists. Then why are you defining yourself as one? Do I sense a hypocrite?

I would say your motivation for this brain-fart article is:

You are disliked by the majority of Satanists because they have discovered (or you've been to open) about your past. Is that their fault? No. Is it your fault? Yes. Stop complaining and grow up. You wanted membership, you were declined. Now you're attempting to fool rubes and besmirch true Satanism because you're crying like a child without its lolli.

I would expect this type of behaviour from my Son.
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#2494 - 12/02/07 06:41 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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One's elitism would be determined by the rarity and exceptional quality of their abilities and achievements. Can they do something that very few people can do (ie; Navy Seals, etc) or have they so finely honed a craft that they are unmatched by their peers?

You can claim to be elite all you want, but unless you are delivering the goods in an extraordinary way you are going to be seen as a fraud (and rightly so).

As for social status; if you are upset at not attaining the level that you want, then you have earned your despair not only for underachieving, but also for putting so much stake in the opinions of others.

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#2496 - 12/02/07 07:06 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Ordellani]
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hellbent stop worrying what others think of you man to be more percise fuck em who cares what other satanist think of you or for that matter anyone. some people have no talent so they choose the path of the scholor,i myself am talented artisticly and have lived as the beast i am my whole life ,sexy as hell,manipulative,and the might and vengence to back it up i am the godamm devil to quote ugly kid joe,this is how you should view yourself you shouldnt care what some armchair scholor who needs a church to feel as if they are part of sompthing and probley got beat down his whole life thinks.like you i have done time but...i dont regret that one bit my chocies where not poor, i was incarecerted and learned alot, had i not made thouse choices then i would not have learned thouse lessons the only reson to view you chocies as poor is if you have learned nothing from it,why do you want that membership so bad? and keep referencing the CoS, be who you are ,if you changed who you are to fit the title of satanist rather then adopting the title as that is how you live you life, that may be somthing you want to look into futher,good luck

ha my post is all over the place damm mornings ,need more cofee:)
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#2497 - 12/03/07 12:33 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: rob_church]
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Seems like more than one of you has a bad-habbit of assumptions.

Go away.
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#2498 - 12/03/07 01:10 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Ordellani]
hellbent666
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This topic was made to address the differences between the two qualities. It was not designed so I could cry about my satanic experiences. I am not a hypocrite and I am proud to be a Satanist. I am not really giving two shits a flying fuck what these people think of me, I'm just trying to asess a major issue on these boards. I'm trying to put it in everyones face and differentiate between the two distinct different types of thinking. One (arrogance) is a completely detrimental way of aproaching social interactions and the other (elitism) could be misconstrued as almost the same thing or an excuse to be arrogant. Just because we're Satanists doesn't mean that we can be asses to people for no reason or because we "feel" like it. The point of life is to live and let live while not hurting anyone in the process. And don't we believe that pretentiousness is a "sin"?! So what's the deal then really?
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#2499 - 12/03/07 01:22 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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I wouldn't go as far as to say that arrogance is "bad" or "elitism" is good. I think that people learn that arrogance doesn't work in most situations, and that it is pretty easy to be blinded by it. I don't really think that it's a "sin" the way you are describing it, as something bad that shouldn't be done, but that it is more likely to harm you than help you. You kind of go back and forth between saying "I'm awesome" and "I'm no better than anyone else". I think that whatever you decide, you need to own it. I think personally, that there are a lot of people that I'm better than. I wouldn't rush to say that I'm better than everyone, but I could name names. It's fairly logical for a satanist to be proud of their abilities and accomplishments, and many of them consider themselves elite.



Also, one thing I noticed, you say "we" a lot.

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#2500 - 12/03/07 01:59 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Ordellani]
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lol who the fuck are you agian? and what would my assumption be? i like how you clarified you position, how are you elite their matthew ceritly not your art i saw your site,perhaps you went the scholor path?
nawwww i bet its still the art lets look a bit deeper into that shall we?

Here at Ordellani Studios we have one main goal - To become the leaders in our field by producing work of the highest quality for our clients.

lol leaders of the field .not one peice of work, every link promising a coming soon or just talking shit but no work other then the boring ass design on the top and some minor tribal generic crap on the bottom, is that clip art by chance ? so really who of the two of us is the elite of their field here? seen my site by chance? when you can actully walk the walk insted of just talking shit then you can claim to be elite till then your arrogance is far from justifyed in my eyes..
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#2501 - 12/03/07 02:23 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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The way that I see it is, that Elite-ness, is most often a self proclaimed ideal. One can be of any belief system, and feel Elite, if they believe that they know something that most of the world doesn’t.

Christians can feel Elite, to everyone else, because they believe that they have a superior knowledge of what life is truly about, and everyone else is lost or a fool. Same goes for Satanists.

I really like what Equilibrio said about delivering the goods. That is the key, that most self proclaimed “Elite” ones, fail to admit to themselves.
A person can believe that they are “Elite” or better then anyone else, but if they fail to deliver the goods, then they are just self deluded, wanna be’s.

The “goods” don’t have to be material things either, but instead being able to get out of life what one wishes to. If one is truly happy, and satisfied with their lives then they are already elite.
Such a person is superior to most, because as Thoreau said “Most people live lives of quiet desperation.” They are always “searching” for something that is just beyond their grasp, without quite knowing what that something is.

However, if someone deludes themselves into believing that they are “elite,” just because they feel that they know some “secret” that the rest of the world fails to recognize, yet at the same time this person is always miserable and unsatisfied, then they are simply foolish.
A person who is often suicidal, can’t sustain themselves without outside help, is in no way elite, no matter what philosophy they follow.

One example comes to mind.

Many years ago, I was part of a three man Land Surveying crew. There was myself, an older gentleman, and a young kid.
The kid had a college education, big dreams and nothing else.
One day the older gentleman was talking about life in general, and the young kid said to him, “Oh you are so ignorant.”

Now this kid was exhibiting arrogance, a false belief of superiority. I turned to him and said, “Who the fuck are you, to call this guy ignorant, you little piece of shit. This man is in his sixties, he is a war veteran, was able to raise three kids and send them all to college. He owns his house outright, and is able to comfortably support himself and his family, while you scrounge off of your mother who pays your bills, pays for the roof over your head, bought you your car, and is paying for your college loans. What the fuck do you have to show for your self? You’re the ignorant one!”
He was arrogant, because of his false belief of Elite-ness.

He was in his twenties, and actually started crying. This didn’t make me feel at all good about myself, but perhaps, I helped him reorient to reality somewhat.
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#2502 - 12/03/07 02:26 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
Ordellani Offline
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If you're a Satanist, then you forgot an important rule in Satanism. You're just another pompous jackass looking for another filler to winge about.

"Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked."

Hypocrite. Need I say more?
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#2504 - 12/03/07 02:31 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: rob_church]
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Nice attempt to besmirch my name and the companies. Perhaps you could send that to our executive Head Programmers office in London, I'm sure it would be appreciated.

As far as I can see from your site, you have pseudo-artistic "templates" that look like they've been designed by a minor. Your art is ridiculous, and your petty character-attacks will and have accomplished you nothing.

I'm currently switching the servers for our site, and putting the portfolio up. I assure you, once you see the designs we've done, and who for, you'll fade back into obscurity once again. ;\)

Try again.
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#2505 - 12/03/07 02:34 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: rob_church]
Ordellani Offline
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By the way, Rob, when attempting to besmirch my name and attack & insult me, please use correct grammar and spelling. It's like trying to read "Typing For Dummies."

\:\)
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#2506 - 12/03/07 02:48 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Ordellani]
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ha i cant wait to see it mr ceo:)
till that day though your art/company is as worthless as your opion to me. till that day you are a fraud in my eyes claiming sompthing that you do not have

ha at you dissing my art lol templates please thats all me baby i think the reson you chose to attack me in the first place was my art, jelousy is fickle mistress isnt she:)

when do you expect to have it up by chance? i cant wait to see it


show me the money so to speak then we will talk agian but i warn you if its anyhting like your current generic garbage you will still be worthless to me and from your font chocie and lay out alone tells me it will be, but hey ya never know perahps you do have the skillz but until i see it your using a title you havent earned. ha ceo of what?
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#2507 - 12/03/07 02:50 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: rob_church]
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ha when one runs out of actual things to say its always the grammer nazis popping up to funny:) good way to show your colors matthew. ahh just rember it was you who chose to attack me i belive it ened with you saying somthing about assumptions and ended with go away out of the blue awww did matthew have a bad day in the real world and couldnt take it out their so he thought he would come on to a forum and try to prove his toughness how very satanic of you:)
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#2508 - 12/03/07 02:52 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: rob_church]
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We'll see. ;\)
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#2509 - 12/03/07 02:58 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Ordellani]
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ha show me the money baby, so when is it going to be up?
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#2511 - 12/03/07 03:17 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: rob_church]
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well lets get this thread back on track if we have anyhting eles to discusss like when your site will be up you can pm me matthew. carry on with your thread hellbent.i do apoligize for derailing it minorley.
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#2516 - 12/03/07 04:42 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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"I'm trying to put it in everyones face and differentiate between the two distinct different types of thinking. One (arrogance) is a completely detrimental way of aproaching social interactions and the other (elitism) could be misconstrued as almost the same thing or an excuse to be arrogant. Just because we're Satanists doesn't mean that we can be asses to people for no reason or because we "feel" like it."

Jesus Christ, another fucking hippy tree hugging fucking idiot rant!!!!!!!!!!!

Get it into your skull, no one cares how you really feel.

Lots of us hate people.
Lots of us are disgusted with people.
Lots of us can't be bother to give a damn about fucking idiots.
Lots of us are arrogent fucks.
Lots of us are total assholes to people.
Lot of us are mean to people because we on occassion just simply get off on being mean.
Lot of us who are Elite don't have to talk about being Elite, we just are.

But lots of us who are Elite, don't fucking whine and cry about it.

Get a fucking grip, no one matters unless you are fucking them, their your kids, or they give a you a paycheck at the end of the week.


Fucking whiny arrogant fucking kid.


Morg
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#2517 - 12/03/07 05:34 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Morgan]
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I love you Morgan , You fucking rock keep, keeping, It real ;\)

D.L.B.


Edited by SSSnake (12/03/07 05:37 PM)
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#2528 - 12/04/07 12:10 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: SSSnake]
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Well unfrotunately your social interactions will suffer due to your fucked up out-look, sucks for you Morgan. In this place called reality people are forced to interact with one another unless you're rich and never leave your house. Now I don't like most people anymore than you do but you are obligated to be civil to people regardless of your religious affiliation. Judging by this last post of yours you probably don't have too many friends and people probably despise being around you and for good reason. Whatever floats your boat though only you and others around you have to put up with it. The less bad qualities you have the more you are regarded as someone worth being around. Your supposed Elitism does you no good here.
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#2531 - 12/04/07 01:44 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I consider myself a LaVeyan Satanist and have been for 8 years now.

Ever read the Nine Satanic Sins? For a Laveyan you seem to break most if not every of LaVey’s sins…

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Now since I consider myself a part of the "Alien Elite" I choose to think that I have something that no one else does on a grand scale. I have loads of will power and tons of determination but I don't think that I'm better than anyone else because of it.

So you are elite and alien to boot yet your nothing special or no better than the rest… I say you’re a fool does that hurt my social standing with you?

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A lot of registered CoS memebers think that you're only valuable to the church's eclectic members if you are of high social status. I'm basically a no body when it comes to how much money I make a year but I'm a talented artist and wonderful friend, doesn't that make me just as valuable?

What are you worth to the CoS and why do you not understand any of this? A talented artist how so? A good friend by who’s standards yours? You certainly seem full of yourself…

One might say such a master at social interaction and such a great artist should be making money and be making good money, enough to be comfortable at least…

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I think it does. But these arrogant fucks don't see it that way, they think that just because they are "elite" that that makes them able to be extremely arrogant on top of the fact.

So they are arrogant fucks because they see you for your worth to them “little to nothing”?

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Isn't overbearing pride not a Satanic ideal? Isn't that teetering on the brink of pretentiousness? I'm pretty sure it is. Who are we (besides "our" own gods) to say that we are better than the next person?

Perhaps you need to be a bit more introspective instead of looking for problems outside of yourself…

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I think everyone has their good qualities and bad qualities and I pick and choose. If you have more good qualities than bad ones then chances are I'll like you more.

What makes you think any two peoples ideas of good and bad points will be the same? Why do you preach commonsense like a first grade teacher?

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I also have done some things in the past that I'm not proud of but does that make me any less of a Satanist then say a official member of the CoS? I don't think so.

Who are you to say what a CoS member or anyone else for that matter should think? Who cares what you think?

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They say we're born not made and I agree with this to an extent. I don't think we abide by all of the Satnic principles when we are little but I think it starts to make sense as we get older. I think all of us have made some "immoral" choices but I don't think you can continue to judge people based on their past because people do change.

So which is it bub? Were you born a Satanist or through change and growth did you become a made Satanist? Get over your hang ups with your spotty past and perhaps you can move on…

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This topic was made to address the differences between the two qualities. It was not designed so I could cry about my satanic experiences.

I am sure you can see why it feels as you are doing so…

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I am not a hypocrite and I am proud to be a Satanist. I am not really giving two shits a flying fuck what these people think of me, I'm just trying to asess a major issue on these boards. I'm trying to put it in everyones face and differentiate between the two distinct different types of thinking.

The true front of this battle rages in your own head… Many of your statements are full of hypocrisy… What do you see?

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One (arrogance) is a completely detrimental way of aproaching social interactions and the other (elitism) could be misconstrued as almost the same thing or an excuse to be arrogant.

So typical… You do know just how normal and common you are right?

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Just because we're Satanists doesn't mean that we can be asses to people for no reason or because we "feel" like it.

Do you have children? Perhaps you need a few because being a mommy here gets you little respect…

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The point of life is to live and let live while not hurting anyone in the process. And don't we believe that pretentiousness is a "sin"?! So what's the deal then really?


The deal shouldn’t be a question… But if you do not get it then you do not get it… You cannot make yourself something you are not…

What was it again that made you LaVeyan?

Next Caller Please…

~T~
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#2532 - 12/04/07 01:47 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
Well unfrotunately your social interactions will suffer due to your fucked up out-look, sucks for you Morgan.

Oh he didn’t… Did he?

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In this place called reality people are forced to interact with one another unless you're rich and never leave your house.

He did!

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Now I don't like most people anymore than you do but you are obligated to be civil to people regardless of your religious affiliation.

It has been explained to you why we are not obligated to be civil to anyone… Why do you feel the need to force your views on us? Are you sure you have picked the right title?

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Judging by this last post of yours you probably don't have too many friends and people probably despise being around you and for good reason. Whatever floats your boat though only you and others around you have to put up with it.

I sense much assumption and fluffyism…

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The less bad qualities you have the more you are regarded as someone worth being around. Your supposed Elitism does you no good here.

Morgan is well known here and has nothing to prove… You on the other hand seem to have much to prove including how shining happy people you want the world to be well son… Wake the fuck up… This is the real world…

Not everyone is nice because you want it to be…
Monsters do exist…
Spell checkers do work if you use them…
Slowing down and not wearing emotion on your sleeve works for better spelling also…
Posting on forums beyond your means can be detrimental to your mental health…
Drug addiction can get you jail time and is bad for your health…
If you stop showering you will lose friends faster than by being arrogant…

Have I been to arrogant for you? Does it matter? What could you offer to enrich my life?

Nothing personal...

~T~

Adds a pinch of salt and a dash of pepper for Morgan…
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#2544 - 12/04/07 02:38 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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Thanks guys for defending me and replying to the child, now its my turn....

"Well unfrotunately your social interactions will suffer due to your fucked up out-look.....ETC, WHINE, WHINE, WHINE"

You have no idea about me, who I know in real life, and who I am.
My friends know me, and my enemies learn to fear me. I have lots of different friends in different levels/places, and I have no need to prove to you who I am. I know who I am.

"In this place called reality people are forced to interact with one another"

No they are not. Hell, even in jail you dont have to interact with everyone. Well, unless you get ass ganged raped. You remember about jail don't you???

"Now I don't like most people anymore than you do"

I really doubt that. I can't be bothered to expel the energy necessary to hate. I just don't care. I am indifferent to most people. In that vein, I can honestly say, I wouldn't be bothered to piss on most people if they were on fire.

"but you are obligated to be civil to people regardless of your religious affiliation."

No, you hippy tree hugging wanna be satanist. You are never obligated to do shit.

MAIN RULE OF Satanism!!!!!!!

YOU CHOOSE WHAT THE FUCK YOU CHOOSE TO DO
AND
YOU TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS


"The less bad qualities you have the more you are regarded as someone worth being around."

They tell you that in AA or did your mommy tell you that lie.

"Your supposed Elitism does you no good here"

Boy, you make me laugh. You self rightous arrogent ass. Instead of all you whining, you should be shutting the fuck up. You should be reading more, listening more, and trying to understand more.

With your limited experience, and grasp of the basic tenaments of the ideas behinds the book, you should be so fucking happy to have even found this place.

In the end, you still have no control over your life. You let your passions/addictions rule you. It just seems that you traded one addiction for another.


Next......

Morg
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#2549 - 12/04/07 07:39 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Morgan]
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I shouldn't have to tell adults how to treat other people since you want to think of me as a kid. I probably have more experience dealing with all different kinds of people than you do and I was taught to treat people with respect regardless of their social satus, race, or religion. It might sound like a bunch of "tree hugging, hippy" shit to you, but what I'm talking about should just be common sense to those of you that are listening instead of trying to one up everyone on these forums because you think you're the coolest shit to ever walk the planet. There seems to be a lot of in-fighting and pointless bickering amongst us and it's totally starting to get on my nerves. I came here to learn new and possibly exciting things and make intelligent posts but some of you think that I'm doing neither of thses things. Well I think you're wrong but this thread was designed to show some of you a character flaw that you have the capability to change and make yourself a better person to be around. Also, why are you trying to reverse the table here? You think that you're seen as a better person than me for calling me arrogant? To what ultimate purpose does that retarded behavior serve? One other thing I noticed is that you, like the xtians, are hiding behind your religious title and using it for a purpose it was not designed for. The biggest posers amongst us are those who use the title "Satanist" as a reason to do whatever they want without being accountable for it. You're one of those poser satanists that would totally be a jack ass to someone nice and then when confronted about it you would probably justify your actions by saying "Oh, I'm a Satanist so that gives me a license to be mean to you." How do you think that person you were a jack ass to is going to explain Satanism to his/her friends? We are supposed to paint a flawless picture of what we are and what we stand for and not propagate stupidity, and it is stupid to be mean to others for no reason. Call it whatever you want but I'm just being honest here. And those of you that are aggravated by this post are the main reason I posted this topic. It was high time for some of you to look in the mirror.
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#2555 - 12/04/07 10:05 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I shouldn't have to tell adults how to treat other people since you want to think of me as a kid.

You shouldn’t try to push your views on anyone… If you act less like a child you would be treated less like a child… This should be common sense and you should know this before calling yourself Satanist…

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I probably have more experience dealing with all different kinds of people than you do and I was taught to treat people with respect regardless of their social satus, race, or religion.

You are basing your assumptions on what you believe again… Is this anything but blind faith in what you think to be true?

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It might sound like a bunch of "tree hugging, hippy" shit to you, but what I'm talking about should just be common sense to those of you that are listening instead of trying to one up everyone on these forums because you think you're the coolest shit to ever walk the planet.

Maybe Satanism 101 should be reopened… It was a place for beginners where your ignorance was somewhat forgiven… Oh wait you claim 8 years hmmm…

I am the most important thing in this world, followed by those that I have in my pack, and those who have been made part of my pack…

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There seems to be a lot of in-fighting and pointless bickering amongst us and it's totally starting to get on my nerves.

Do you see anywhere a sign which reads “Safe haven for Soft Satanists”? So simple posts on an internet forum upset you in real time? Interesting…

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I came here to learn new and possibly exciting things and make intelligent posts but some of you think that I'm doing neither of thses things.

Awww come here big guy… *Pats you on the back* Do not worry yourself… Just read more and think before you hit reply…

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Well I think you're wrong but this thread was designed to show some of you a character flaw that you have the capability to change and make yourself a better person to be around.

I think you’re a bit brainwashed or you are just broken from your jail stay… Just because you need to change does not make us need anything… Do you get it yet?

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Also, why are you trying to reverse the table here? You think that you're seen as a better person than me for calling me arrogant? To what ultimate purpose does that retarded behavior serve?

You seem to be the one acting retarded here… You have been called a whiney arrogant little bitch… Your arrogance comes from your ignorance and the fact you are still a bit naive…

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One other thing I noticed is that you, like the xtians, are hiding behind your religious title and using it for a purpose it was not designed for.

Man just stop with this silly little kid shit, shut up and read a bit… You like those you mention are full of self righteous bullshit thinking you’re here to save someone from themselves… Save yourself become a Mormon…

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The biggest posers amongst us are those who use the title "Satanist" as a reason to do whatever they want without being accountable for it.

Damn man just shut up… Morgan gave it to you in a way a 3rd grade child would understand…

“MAIN RULE OF Satanism!!!!!!!

YOU CHOOSE WHAT THE FUCK YOU CHOOSE TO DO
AND
YOU TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS” ~ Morgan


Your emotion blinds you…

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You're one of those poser satanists that would totally be a jack ass to someone nice and then when confronted about it you would probably justify your actions by saying "Oh, I'm a Satanist so that gives me a license to be mean to you."

I have no need to discuss my beliefs to anyone unless I so choose… I also need no title to explain away my behavior…

If in real life I am done telling you to fuck off do you really think your going to ask me why I was an asshole to you? Why do you think you would be worth my time asking?

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How do you think that person you were a jack ass to is going to explain Satanism to his/her friends?

Why should anyone care what your fictitious characters do?

In your make believe world as you hold a door for someone for no other reason than you are a kiss ass… The woman looks at her husband and says “such a nice sweet boy what a nice smile”, talking about you… As they pass you and smile you shoot off a cheery “Hail Satan” they stop you all stare for a second and start laughing… Such a nice Satanist dear the husband replies as he fake punches you in the shoulder… Your good deed is all the talk at the water cooler this week… You have changed the view of Satanism single handedly…

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We are supposed to paint a flawless picture of what we are and what we stand for and not propagate stupidity, and it is stupid to be mean to others for no reason.

Just because you might not understand the reason someone would be mean to you or another does not mean there is no reason, just that you do not get it…

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Call it whatever you want but I'm just being honest here.

Ditto…

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And those of you that are aggravated by this post are the main reason I posted this topic.

You seem to be the only one letting people on a website get to your nerves… You seem to be the only one aggravated into being blinded to whole thoughts and concepts… So much so that you parrot these thoughts, thinking they are you own…

Projecting your feelings on others is usually not very productive…

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It was high time for some of you to look in the mirror.

I know who I am… I criticize myself more than you or any other could… Such is the way of my kind… What the heck are you? What are you trying to be?

Perhaps you are the one who needs a long look in the mirror?

~T~


Edited by ta2zz (12/04/07 10:26 PM)
Edit Reason: edits have been very very good to me...
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#2562 - 12/05/07 01:57 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ta2zz]
hellbent666
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Okay, Okay. What I'm trying to accomplish by all of this is to make a serious point, a point that everyone can benefit from if you are LISTENING. I'm not out to convert, spread the word, or change your outlook in any way because I know that is impossible. Only you (the individual) are capable of making change in your life and I don't have any magical powers to make you do otherwise. All I'm trying to do is understand why some of you are acting arrogant instead of being elite and the answer to this question has been consistantly this "because I can" attitude. No where in the Satanic Bible does it say you are allowed to be an asshole for little or no reason at all but the reply back to that statement was there could be a reason but I just don't get it or understand which could totally be true. There are people in the world that upon first meeting (or reading their posts/topics) them we immediately despise them but usually that's for no good, logical reason. You are assuming that due to my age that I'm naive and don't know anything, and assumption is the mother of all fuck ups. A 24 year old (me) should not have to even ask these questions to those of you who are older than me. My question now is who the fuck raised you to be such hateful, arrogant asses? Is this how you normally interact with people that are not behind a computer screen? Who instilled in you that it is socially okay for you to think you're miss/mister king/queen shit of the world and treat everyone like crap just because you misinterpreted the Satanic Bible? I'm not saying that I'm any less flawed than you are and I'm not trying to make you guys go easy on me because I'm soft, but it's not a satanic requirement to be an arrogant ass and not everyone can be an alpha because there's always someone in the world that's bigger and porbably badder than you. What makes you think that you're someone special? Seriously though. I would like to know why you consider yourself better than me or anyone for that matter. Even though people really don't give a shit about me or anyone else for that matter does not mean we should stop trying to lead by example and show others what it is to truely be a decent, respectable person. I'm nice because it's what I would want from others and because there's no reason to be mean unless someone is fucking with you or yours. The impression that I'm getting from you morgan sympathizers is that this (this being your negative arrogant attitude towards people) is how you treat everyone that you come in contact with. Am I wrong in thinking this? I remember someone posting something that said they don't care how anyone views their actions, well that really sucks for you. Fortunately I don't ever have to meet you. It is also common knowledge that anyone can be tough from behind a computer screen but do you really posses the ability to back it up? Probably not. This was a legitamite topic and everyone could've benefitted from it. But instead some of you are using topics and thread space to bag on people you think are inferior. This is a place to learn and give your opinions but no one wants to listen to a bunch of negative people blab about how fucking elite they are and how much they could care less how they treat people.
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#2572 - 12/05/07 07:44 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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It's simple, really--

I'm a Satanist = I can be who the fuck I am.

Yes, even if it means being an asshole/bitch, or being polite to strangers. DO AS THOU WILT (wasn't that Crowley?). Not, DO AS OTHERS EXPECT. You seem to be blurring those two together. Trust me, if we wanted something in our lives to change (although your concept of "change" doesn't seem to be for the better, only to conform to the rest of the sheeple), we'd damn well go about instigating that change. We don't need inspirational posters hanging on our walls, or cute tear-a-day quote calendars.

Some of us were born to be assholes, regardless of our upbringing. I had two nice, fairly normal parents, a loving family on both sides of the tree, and yet somehow I turned out completely different from any of my cousins on either side. I've always been different, always looked on the inside from without. Could that have made me into the bitch that I am now? I don't even consider myself a bitch, because I don't shove people around for no reason or throw myself into other's faces, I do it when I feel I am being put upon by others. At the same time, just ask any of my good friends how good I am to them, how thoughtful.

I am 25, not much older than you. I can't honestly remember any sort of post made in response to mine that even referred to my age (unless it was in jest :)). You have to earn the respect of others. It's not handed out. There are very intelligent 18 year olds on this forum, and very ignorant 30 year olds (no one specific). The number doesn't matter, it's your maturity level.

You're taking a very humanistic approach in your dealings with others. Satanists are pretty much the exact opposite. We are selfish, we are materialistic, and we don't give a fuck. Not being true to yourself is worse than burying your nature under a bunch of useless societal trappings, hoping the rest of the world will want to be your friend. If you can't comprehend that, why are you here?
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#2573 - 12/05/07 12:04 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Nemesis]
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"You're taking a very humanistic approach in your dealings with others. Satanists are pretty much the exact opposite. We are selfish, we are materialistic, and we don't give a fuck. Not being true to yourself is worse than burying your nature under a bunch of useless societal trappings, hoping the rest of the world will want to be your friend. If you can't comprehend that, why are you here?"

Very well said Nemesis.

"I am the most important thing in this world, followed by those that I have in my pack, and those who have been made part of my pack…"

Very well said Ta2zz.

Hellbent666.
You just dont get it. I try to simplify it for you and you still dont understand. So here we go again....

"I shouldn't have to tell adults how to treat other people since you want to think of me as a kid."

Satanism rule #??? Do not give unasked advise. We are generally very happy as we are. If we want your opinion we will ask for it.

You need to learn how to write using paragraph structure. Otherwise it just looks like a mess and not very condusive to reading.

"I probably have more experience dealing with all different kinds of people than you do and I was taught to treat people with respect regardless of their social satus, race, or religion.... etc blah..."

No, you dont. YOU DON'T ME OR ANYTHING ABOUT ME.
What you learned previously failed you. You ended up a drug addict, in jail, and now currently working as a dishwasher. You are forced to go to AA or Na or end up back in jail.
Welcome to the real world, the big leagues. You made bad choices, learn from them. YOU HAVE TO ADAPT, LEARN, AND LISTEN.

"Well I think you're wrong but this thread was designed to show some of you a character flaw that you have the capability to change and make yourself a better person to be around."

That is so arrogent of you to state, especially since you dont know any of us. What you see as a flaw others may see a gem.

"“MAIN RULE OF Satanism!!!!!!!

YOU CHOOSE WHAT THE FUCK YOU CHOOSE TO DO
AND
YOU TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS” ~ Morgan"

"All I'm trying to do is understand why some of you are acting arrogant instead of being elite and the answer to this question has been consistantly this "because I can" attitude."

COME ON, ARE YOU THAT DENSE....

"My question now is who the fuck raised you to be such hateful, arrogant asses? Is this how you normally interact with people that are not behind a computer screen? Who instilled in you that it is socially okay for you to think you're miss/mister king/queen shit of the world and treat everyone like crap just because you misinterpreted the Satanic Bible?"

Yes, I AM MY OWN GOD.
I do as I please in regards to what I want to do.

You still don't get it.
Just do us all a favor, log off and go reread the book.
Just seriously, go get a highlighter and reread the book.
Mark things that interest you, write in the margins.
Try to understand it as the book applies to you.
After all that, and you have made parts of it into yourself beliefs and understand better about who you are...

Burn the book, because at that point, the ideas are either part of you or they are not.

Actually, you are the only one crying about the elite crap.

Take care & good luck,

Morgan

btw, being in jail is not something to brag about.
In my opinion, it is something that should be only told to your partner or employer. In some cases you can lose your job if you don't disclose that little bit of info.
No one lives in a rap video where being in jail is a good thing. That is probably why the CoS turned down your application.
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#2578 - 12/05/07 05:03 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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Im a asshole and I can back it up online or not even unto death!




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#2586 - 12/06/07 05:46 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: SSSnake]
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I don't know what the fuck Douglas just said... but okay.

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In your make believe world as you hold a door for someone for no other reason than you are a kiss ass… The woman looks at her husband and says “such a nice sweet boy what a nice smile”, talking about you… As they pass you and smile you shoot off a cheery “Hail Satan” they stop you all stare for a second and start laughing… Such a nice Satanist dear the husband replies as he fake punches you in the shoulder… Your good deed is all the talk at the water cooler this week…




I had to repost this - this is the best shit I've read here in a long, long time. I think I just pissed my pants, again. Thank you Ta2zz, my smile will last for a while. Morgan, you know, you can take good care of yourself...

However...

I can see it now: "The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky, are also on the faces of people going by... I see friends shaking hands, saying 'how do you do?', they're really saying 'I love you'"

And I think to myself... what a wonderful world.
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#2587 - 12/06/07 05:48 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: daevid777]
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"As he fake punches you in the shoulder..."

I can't stop it! I just can't!!!!
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#2591 - 12/06/07 10:27 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: daevid777]
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It is also common knowledge that anyone can be tough from behind a computer screen but do you really posses the ability to back it up? Probably not. This was a legitamite topic and everyone could've benefitted from it. But instead some of you are using topics and thread space to bag on people you think are inferior. This is a place to learn and give your opinions but no one wants to listen to a bunch of negative people blab about how fucking elite they are and how much they could care less how they treat people.

I was just responding to this pussy's comment, and him worring what others think of them. \:D
do unto others as they do to you, and if they wrong you cut them asunder. Do as tho will, is the whole law.

Im just saying he is being a puss.



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#2594 - 12/06/07 01:36 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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Read the posts slowly, reread them if you need to… They should remain online for a while so you can read them again if needed… But read them cause there is a lot of things you can learn… Save them as a word or text file so you can dissect them at your own speed… Read until the hamster starts turning the wheel again… Read until you comprehend…

You do realize this is a place where if you have something to say to anyone, say it right out to them you will get more respect… We do not fear you voicing your opinion or naming any of us while doing so…

On reading The Satanic Bible

Simply put if you read the book with the mind of a sheep, a sheep you will remain no matter what you agree with… If when you read the book you are wow these are good principals to live by and not hmm others live like I do then you can label yourself whatever you want but what are you really? Calling yourself king gives you no kingdom, no followers…

Now to answer a few of your questions…

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My question now is who the fuck raised you to be such hateful, arrogant asses? Is this how you normally interact with people that are not behind a computer screen?

The world is my teacher, if in real life if you are such an ass I would probably first show you the door and tell you our conversation is over… If you would not leave you would be escorted out… Should you push it to violence well then that would truly be a sad day for you… But that should be commonsense…

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You are assuming that due to my age that I'm naive and don't know anything, and assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

Nice try at a turn around there… My analysis is based on the reality of your thought processes and experiences that you have shared with us here… Unlike your blind faith in your assumptions your behavior is here for all who are able to see… Ageism is not something I support, your actions not your number matter to me…

You are also ignorant to your own faults…

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Who instilled in you that it is socially okay for you to think you're miss/mister king/queen shit of the world and treat everyone like crap just because you misinterpreted the Satanic Bible?

Who promoted you to being the mother of good and right? Or have you been promoted to forum mommy or forum social worker? Perhaps you need to buy a puppy you can teach him so much good behavior he could teach you responsibility…

Let us not forget your own words… “No where in the Satanic Bible does it say you are allowed to be an asshole for little or no reason at all but the reply back to that statement was there could be a reason but I just don't get it or understand which could totally be true.” ~hellbent666

Be sure of your own interpretations before pointing fault at others, you are full of doubt…

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What makes you think that you're someone special? Seriously though. I would like to know why you consider yourself better than me or anyone for that matter.

My mother told me so… On top of the obvious things like I have never wasted my time in jail, never needed NA, etc… Need I go on?

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The impression that I'm getting from you morgan sympathizers is that this (this being your negative arrogant attitude towards people) is how you treat everyone that you come in contact with.

Morgan needs no sympathy… But unlike you her words and thoughts demand respect…

Me? I treat most idiots the same in the world… My choice…

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This is a place to learn and give your opinions but no one wants to listen to a bunch of negative people blab about how fucking elite they are and how much they could care less how they treat people.

This is not Candy Land… You are the one babbeling on about being elite not us…

I myself enjoy toying with blatant ignorance and stupidity… Right now you are my current toy… Not to cross post topics but this is one way I wind down and enjoy my day/night…

Good for you for being who you are now STFU and go try the Joy of Satan… The JoS has a nice mixture of Satanism, white supremacy, Egyptian mythos and alien beings all in one… Perhaps you could do better there… I hear Maxine has a killer recipe for Satans own chili… Perhaps you could get it from her and post it here in our food thread…

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I'm not saying that I'm any less flawed than you are and I'm not trying to make you guys go easy on me because I'm soft, but it's not a satanic requirement to be an arrogant ass and not everyone can be an alpha because there's always someone in the world that's bigger and porbably badder than you.

You are soft and in my world since you know your soft and seem to embrace it you need to re-title yourself… Like stated before try the Mormons, or perhaps even the boyscouts…

There is no room for soft, weak individuals in our world… While there will always be someone bigger or more evil seriously you are not it… Fix your own flaws, as we will work on our own…

You should read more and learn a bit… I really have no wish to push you away just get with it man… Learn from your own mistakes…

~T~


Edited by ta2zz (12/06/07 01:57 PM)
Edit Reason: "missing a quote"
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#2600 - 12/06/07 05:30 PM Hellbent666, this might help explain things. [Re: ]
Asmedious Moderator Offline
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The following is something that I have understood for a long time, however, once I found out that there is an actual word or words for this practice, and was able to do more research into it, it helped me greatly. Perhaps, it might give you a little assistance in a direction, which might prove positve for you.

On a side note, after studying this way of communication, I have come to absolutely despise the words "Should" and "Shouldn't."

I am talking about communicating in "E-Prime."

Article on using and starting to understand E-Prime.

If you can master it, which I am very far from myself, you might be able to make even a very good lawyer sweat, if he puts you on the stand.
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#2619 - 12/07/07 03:42 AM Re: Hellbent666, this might help explain things. [Re: Asmedious]
daevid777 Offline
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Asmedious,

This reminds me of Liber Vel Jugorum (spelling?).

Circumcise the tongue, as we circumcise the member... (Sepher Yetzirah?)

Yikes.

Excellent information, thank you.
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#2658 - 12/08/07 11:32 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Ordellani]
Zakary Offline
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Oh bla bla, the CoS is an organisation made up of ‘people’.
Back in the 60’s it was more of a movement and departure from the mainstream.
As we know many ‘significant’ peoples moved on from the CoS, including Karla and Dr Aquino, for reasons we know and understand.
What you have left is an ‘organisation’ which may or may not reflect the dynamic and momentum it created back in the 60’s.
Unfortunately, organisations by their nature offer structure for competitive sycophants to sacrifice their egos in a lust for recognition!
A Satanist is an independent personality that typically loathes submitting to a status quo or confines of any prescribed structure.
That’s not to say there is no advantage in organisations, but they do have their limitations!
Shall we reflect? The most significant religions in the world started as social reformations…… now look at them!
Getting back to topic, it is our natural to feel elite, as we have gone through a baptism of fire to reach the enlightenment we have in this world of cattle.
I am sorry to say but in my ‘personal’ experience with some CoS members, I found they seem to enjoy wallowing in the ‘elitist rhetoric’ they began to spin a while ago.
If you feel you are ‘amongst the elite’ and therefore ‘you are elite’ well that’s fine and ‘dandy’ for you!
However, I find the behaviour of waving banners somewhat childish.
I think a ‘golden satanic principle’ is remembering that ‘people in general don’t give a shit about you’, ‘nor does the government! You really are a number and not a name!
So you can scream and thrash your tongue inside your head until you shred it apart ‘we are the elite’ ‘we are superior’! No one gives a shit….!
In conclusion, as to wether or not you as an individual are of an elite breed always…. always remains to be seen!

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#2662 - 12/09/07 04:14 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Zakary]
hellbent666
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I'm surprised that y'all are still posting replies on this topic because it seems that it has benefitted no one as of yet. I should've posted this topic on XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX's [Name of Site withheld] because it would have been jumped on the moment it hit the forum! I am trying to learn as much as I possibly can from you guys but I'm finding that a lot of you don't really care about the CoS and the whole elitism thing. Then I guess this topic was not meant for you. Maybe my own amusement? I'm not really sure. Either way I look forward to not wasting any more of your time with my nonsense. Thanks for your ideas!

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#2663 - 12/09/07 10:21 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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I should've posted this topic on XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX's [Name of Site withheld] because it would have been jumped on the moment it hit the forum!


I see three pages worth of replies to this topic. Not enough for you? Sure it would have been jumped on....they outnumber us what 5-1? Would you really have gained anything from posting there? I doubt it. They all tow the line and no one will freely speak their mind. They all wait to see how the more elite will respond, and then jump on board. Some of the members here have been members there. That's why they are here. If you don't tow the party line there, you get ostacized and beaten down. Talk about sheep mentality.

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I am trying to learn as much as I possibly can from you guys but I'm finding that a lot of you don't really care about the CoS and the whole elitism thing.


Yep, you're right. We really don't care about CoS. We promote free thinking and opinion here. We are not a "good ole boys" club. Here, you will be rewarded for your opinions and thoughts, provided they are intelligent, or not. You won't be rewarded simply for echoing the common thread of the "leaders". If one of those jackasses said a real satanist only wears yellow shirts, believe me, they would all be wearing yellow shirts.


Edited by xear (12/09/07 01:56 PM)
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#2666 - 12/09/07 12:41 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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Let me show you how I read your reply with your rose colored glasses off… This is how I see this little bitch fit…

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I'm surprised that y'all are still posting replies on this topic because it seems that it has benefitted no one as of yet.

I do not know why I am still reading this thread… I did not receive the response I wanted… This is futile… Well I must say something to try to make myself out to be on top… I am a alien elite after all… I think…

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I should've posted this topic on XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX's [Name of Site withheld] because it would have been jumped on the moment it hit the forum!

I know I will bring up some other site that I think might be in competition with this one… I will try to provoke someone into being more arrogant than myself…

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I am trying to learn as much as I possibly can from you guys but I'm finding that a lot of you don't really care about the CoS and the whole elitism thing.

I am learning things but they are different than my beliefs… I am so confused I cannot see the real lessons laid before me… Why cannot they just say what I want to hear… Why are they such arrogant assholes…

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Then I guess this topic was not meant for you. Maybe my own amusement?

Wow nobody is holding my hand like they do at my meetings… I’m so confused why am I really here? I thought they were all just like me…

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I'm not really sure.

So confused… I think I just pee'd myself…

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Either way I look forward to not wasting any more of your time with my nonsense.

Wahhhh I will threaten to leave that will show them… Wahhhh my diaper is wet… I could’a been a contender… You should have agreed with me…

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Thanks for your ideas!

There that is just like me saying fuck off nicely… Thanks for not sharing my views and being just like me… I need to find someone who can teach me how to be myself… Assholes thanks for nothing… Wahhhh…

Do what you will… Cause smartening up or knowing when to keep quite does not seem to be working…

Good luck on your path…

~T~


Edited by xear (12/09/07 01:57 PM)

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#2682 - 12/10/07 08:32 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: fakepropht]
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....they outnumber us what 5-1?


And that fact in it's self, my speak volumes as to who is elite. No one here is going to demand their brand of group think. Arguments here are debated on the merit of the case.

All the same, I have been in a few 'elite' military organizations and I can assure you that membership required quite a bit more than a check for $200.
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#2687 - 12/10/07 12:56 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ]
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Okay,
One more time....

We are not the CoS.
We are not the JOS.

We are not hippy tree hugging, hand holding, wanna save the world satanists.

WE don't have to proclaim being Elite, we know who WE ARE.

We are mostly Our Own Individual Gods.
We choose our Own Path, and Take Responibility for where it leads.

We are for the most part, not followers of any particular online organization.

Our actions take place in the real world, and the results ARE TANIGIABLE.

Morgan
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#2688 - 12/10/07 01:28 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Morgan]
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And yet another important distinction!

People here act in the real world. We find each other in the real world. We (as individuals) are quite a bit more than an online persona.

The CoS-online-satanist movement would die if this collection of wanna-be's, has-been's, and never-was' were forced into the light of day.

What's more, so much of what passes for 'satanic' is little more than a sad combination of white-light, RHP, 'progressive' secular humanism. The last guy who tried to save the world ended up nailed to a cross and perhaps for good reason.
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#2751 - 12/14/07 05:51 PM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Fist]
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'What's more, so much of what passes for 'satanic' is little more than a sad combination of white-light, RHP, 'progressive' secular humanism. The last guy who tried to save the world ended up nailed to a cross and perhaps for good reason'.

HERE HERE!
WELL SAID!

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#2759 - 12/15/07 03:45 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: Zakary]
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Awww Crap,

You can't just completely repost someone's great thought in its entirety and then just say 'I agree' at the end... think of all the bored satanists out there looking for something more and finding a regurgitated message... myself included - how terrible. I get to read the same thing twice??? Thanks a helluvalot.
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#2761 - 12/15/07 10:06 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: daevid777]
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What "here here well said" is not a viable argument for or against arrogance or elitism? Even if it is in all caps?

Agreed I looked at the thread last night and stared at it for about 5 seconds going did I read this already? Whats new... Then I saw it sighed and moved on to view all the grubs viewing the portal page... Before turning it all off...

Now the screen shot I saved of a yahoo search spider registering for membership... That is a topic for the bug thread...

~T~
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#2762 - 12/15/07 10:12 AM Re: Arrogance vs. Elitism [Re: ta2zz]
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What "here here well said" is not a viable argument for or against arrogance or elitism? Even if it is in all caps?


;\)

NO, no...


I do so appreciate you Ta2zz.
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