#3572 - 01/17/08 07:01 PM
Re: Legal smoking herbs
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foras
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FLASH!!!! indoor grow special''''''''''LIGHTING,,,,,, SEED'S"""""""HYDROOOOOOO,,,,,LOL Just kidding. 
We sure well might realizes that legal provability is very unlikely.
Edited by foras (01/17/08 07:09 PM)
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#3736 - 01/31/08 03:06 PM
Pot - harmless??
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Meq
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I've met a number of paranoid pot heads, especially on strong skunk (and usually drunk as well). And yes, they do get angry when they get illusions of being threatened. I've seen it many times (though pot is mild in this regard compared to hard drugs and heavy alcohol abuse).
Don't be fooled by claims that pot is 'not addictive'. It isn't strictly a chemical addiction, but some definitely get pretty hooked psychologically (much like with gambling, porn, shopping etc). Tobacco in spliffs is also chemically addictive.
I've met a few who claim they can't get to sleep or wind down without a J. (Yet long-term heavy pot use increases anxiety). Some would steal for their fix, no matter how otherwise 'out of character' this is.
I've met some with exceptionally bad memory and concentration.
And yes, I've met someone in her 40s who has been a regular heavy user since her early teens. She has developed all of the symptoms of schizophrenia. She has developed illusions of having personal links to many celebrities and royalty. When her teenage kid started stealing her pot, she went into a rage attack at some friends of his - accusing them of "putting the idea into my angel's head". Sectioning may well be on the cards.
Granted, most people who take a bit of pot do not get fucked up by it. However, it CAN and DOES happen - which should at least put pot heads on their guard, and encourage a bit of responsibility in usage. The link with schizophrenia seems to affect only a minority of users who are pre-disposed towards such things. But dropping out of school or college (or getting worse grades), apathy and lack of motivation, problems at work, car accidents, etc., are more common with heavy use (especially mixed with alcohol).
The problem seems largely that many people who experiment with drugs lack the maturity to do so responsibly, and are often ignorant of the dangers presented to them with their own personal disposition. LaVey put it well: "Indulgence, not compulsion." IMO, if a person feels they 'need' a J to relax, to sleep, to feel good; that they are going to have a crap time and be unable to chill without one; and become obsessive about their next fix - that's crossed the line from responsible usage. Time for a break...
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#3750 - 02/01/08 07:04 PM
Re: Pot - harmless??
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L Fern Tej
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you're mistaken noc. The only reason why marijuana isn't notorious for causing cancer is because much more people smoke cigarettes then marijuana. It has been proven that the burning of marijuana releases tar, carbon monoxide, and cyanide... all of which are highly poisonous and aren't natural in the sense that they don't belong in your lungs. tobacco is just as "natural" as marijuana and people have been growing and consuming tobacco,not to mention poppy seeds(opium, heroine, and other highly addicting and deadly drugs), coca leafs (cocaine/crack), alcohol, and many other drugs as far back as history can trace. in fact, most of the only completely man-made drugs are hallucinogenic and not any more addicting then cannibas. i'm not saying that marijuana or any other drugs (illegal or not) are necessarily bad, because they're not, but perhaps if you want to convince people of this you're better off using a more intelligent argument than "everyone else is/was doing it, so it's okay." just my thoughts on the subject.
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#3755 - 02/01/08 09:28 PM
Re: Pot - harmless??
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ta2zz
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I've met a number of paranoid pot heads, especially on strong skunk (and usually drunk as well). And yes, they do get angry when they get illusions of being threatened. I've seen it many times (though pot is mild in this regard compared to hard drugs and heavy alcohol abuse). They must be angry people if not there is enough evidence that alcohol alone can make people angry…
Don't be fooled by claims that pot is 'not addictive'. It isn't strictly a chemical addiction, but some definitely get pretty hooked psychologically (much like with gambling, porn, shopping etc). Tobacco in spliffs is also chemically addictive. Again weak minded individuals… Most know “nicotine” is the addictive substance in tobacco it is no different if you mix it with other smokables… There is also nicotine in a blunt wrap… Nicotine addiction is also kicked in about two weeks time… Triggers are what get to you, the physical act of smoking itself…
I've met a few who claim they can't get to sleep or wind down without a J. (Yet long-term heavy pot use increases anxiety). Which biased study produced this information? Since when is everyone the same are we forgetting that each human is somewhat different than the next?
Some would steal for their fix, no matter how otherwise 'out of character' this is. Now I just question those you seem to know… Those who would steal for pot are predisposed to steal period or young adults…
I've met some with exceptionally bad memory and concentration. Yeah me to yet the person I have seen go dull the most went to high school with me, never did drugs, and suffers from severe can’t remember shit…
And yes, I've met someone in her 40s who has been a regular heavy user since her early teens. She has developed all of the symptoms of schizophrenia. The fact that she smokes pot proves what in this equation? That there is something easy to point the finger at to say this is what caused it? Why look harder everyone knows is must be the pot smoke…
She has developed illusions of having personal links to many celebrities and royalty. Damn that devils weed…
When her teenage kid started stealing her pot, she went into a rage attack at some friends of his - accusing them of "putting the idea into my angel's head". Sectioning may well be on the cards. She sounds like she is living in denial as to her kids but we know she is a bit schizo sooooo?
Granted, most people who take a bit of pot do not get fucked up by it. Somehow I would question so called legal smoking herbs more than Americas favorite pastime after football and beer…
However, it CAN and DOES happen - which should at least put pot heads on their guard, and encourage a bit of responsibility in usage. In a perfect world everything is just right… Perhaps we should push responsibility on those who use alcohol… Oh wait we do and it does not stop them and it is still legal…
Using your thought process I could say people get hit by cars while crossing the street… We know this yet it still happens… Next?
The link with schizophrenia seems to affect only a minority of users who are pre-disposed towards such things. So what is the link between schizophrenia and smoking weed? Is there evidence of a change in the brain structure such as shrinking due to alcohol use?
But dropping out of school or college (or getting worse grades), apathy and lack of motivation, problems at work, car accidents, etc., are more common with heavy use (especially mixed with alcohol). So far everything you mention seems to be “especially when used with alcohol” your whole argument here can simply be written about alcohol… Just remove the word pot in your favorite word editor… Yes this means you are really not saying much…
Unlike pot, alcohol has been studied extensively and causes everything you mention when used alone… It has also been proven that symptoms from alcohol use are worse in women than men… So when you drink or smoke remember chances are your doing more damage to yourself than say me…
On lack of motivation, etc I will simply ask you if Professor Carl Sagan seems to blow this theory out of the water? Carl Sagan was published as Mr. X in Dr. Lester Grinspoon's Marihuana Reconsidered (1971)… Do the research…
The problem seems largely that many people who experiment with drugs lack the maturity to do so responsibly, and are often ignorant of the dangers presented to them with their own personal disposition. Most people are stupid, ignorant, and wasting air and space… Most people lack commonsense… Adding anything after that fact is pointless…
LaVey put it well: "Indulgence, not compulsion." LaVey put many things very well… Just remember your compulsion might very well be my indulgence…
IMO, if a person feels they 'need' a J to relax, to sleep, to feel good; that they are going to have a crap time and be unable to chill without one; and become obsessive about their next fix - that's crossed the line from responsible usage. Time for a break... Fix? Are you talking about hard drug users or alcoholics still? I have never known a smoker to need a fix…
“You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.” ~Sagan Are you a believer?
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#3760 - 02/01/08 10:51 PM
Re: Pot - harmless??
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ta2zz
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you're mistaken noc. The only reason why marijuana isn't notorious for causing cancer is because much more people smoke cigarettes then marijuana. Where do you get your numbers? You seem to speak like you are privy to knowledge that most are not… Do you work in unbiased marijuana research?
It has been proven that the burning of marijuana releases tar, carbon monoxide, and cyanide... all of which are highly poisonous and aren't natural in the sense that they don't belong in your lungs. We know that Sodium Fluoride is not a natural occurring substance… In fact it is a leftover waste product made during the production of aluminum… It is most commonly used as rat poison, yet it is diluted and given to us in our toothpaste, some public reservoirs, and recently in the form of pills for children… We also know that the Nazis tested fluoride in the water supply to make the people dull and compliant… This chemical never belonged in the human body period… It was also never FDA approved; yet the government and the health care system promotes using it…
Plastics oh the lovely stuff we can eat with it, out of it, store our leftovers in it, and even cook in it… Hell disguised as Olean used in chips a few years back we can even eat it…
Yet in grade school I was taught that plastics were a product made from the waste left over from distilling gasoline from crude oil… Plastic never belonged in our body… Our food and drink was never meant to be consumed from such items… If a plastic water dish can cause your dogs nose to turn white due to an estrogen like substance that can leech from said plastic what might this doing to you? Yet the government promotes the use of plastic…
Many substances that are clearly poisonous are introduced into your body daily… Where is your argument now?
tobacco is just as "natural" as marijuana and people have been growing and consuming tobacco,not to mention poppy seeds(opium, heroine, and other highly addicting and deadly drugs), coca leafs (cocaine/crack), alcohol, and many other drugs as far back as history can trace. Do you really believe what you write? Have you done any research on this because you sound to me like your teachings on the subject come from watching too much TV…
Everything you mention is not natural in the same sense as cannabis… Tobacco is natural yes but the nicotine levels in cigarettes are not… You cannot take poppy seeds and smoke them or shoot them and get high… Both drugs are processed to concentrate or release such substances… The same holds true with coca leaves, processed with many steps, one step that uses kerosene or diesel fuel to help extract and concentrate this into a drug substance… The tribes that crew the coca leaves can hardly be called coke addicts… Alcohol last I checked was distilled from different fermented things such as fruit…
in fact, most of the only completely man-made drugs are hallucinogenic and not any more addicting then cannabis. While hallucinogens are not very addictive they are much more dangerous than cannabis… I have never seen anybody have a bad trip and freak out to never be the same from smoking pot…
P-dope otherwise known as synthetic heroin is as addictive as the real deal, the enhanced nicotine levels in cigarettes fall under this same heading… As addictive as heroin…
i'm not saying that marijuana or any other drugs (illegal or not) are necessarily bad, because they're not, but perhaps if you want to convince people of this you're better off using a more intelligent argument than "everyone else is/was doing it, so it's okay." just my thoughts on the subject.
So no drugs are bad? I will have to call bullshit here… Cocaine is a bad drug it can overcome you easily and take away your life… The same can be said for opium and heroin… Yet cannabis is the bad guy why?
We know the government lost the alcohol prohibition… Due to this they have secured themselves in not losing the fight against cannabis by classifying cannabis as a class one narcotic with coke, opium, and heroin… Besides banning a wild plant that was used heavily in the cloth industry opened the doorway to sell us more waste left over from distilling gasoline from crude… In case you have not guessed it or done any research the product I speak of is the wonderful invention from Dupont called nylon…
America loves selling us products made from waste… Yet tries to restrict us from a plant that is as useful as the peanut… How ignorant is this?
Closing thought…
If the use of marijuana is not so widespread why is there a war on people who smoke it… Who else is singled out by urine tests, only marijuana can be seen for a long enough time for a urine test to be useful… Chew on that one…
~T~
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#3764 - 02/02/08 05:12 AM
Re: Pot - harmless??
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daevid777
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Good points, Ta2zz...
Actually, Marijuana IS up there on the "Controlled Substances" list, right along side of Heroin and Mescaline (and you know how dangerous and rampant Mescaline use is in the urban areas...)
Those are "Schedule I" drugs. The nastiest of the nasties. Marijuana - bad indeed.
So... here is Schedule II:
Opium, Morphine, Methadone, Dilaudid (less than Marijuana! Shit, and I was stuck on "Opium", damn), Oxycodone (holy shit)
Schedule III - even less worse, according to the FDA:
Paragoric, seconal, barbituates...
Schedule IV - Valium, Librium
And so it goes...
Marijuana IS in fact, the worst shit ever, apparently...
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