#3814 - 02/03/08 01:46 PM
Re: Pot - harmless??
[Re: L Fern Tej]
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ta2zz
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Loc: Connecticut
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are you suggesting that the ratio of people who smoke marijuana is even comparable to those who smoke cigarettes?
the NSDUH released a report that claimed that 1.3 of the population as of 2003 were regular marijuana users.
compare that to a 23.9 percent of cigarette smokers.
so no, i'm not privy of any knowledge that isn't available to anyone else who cares to do a bit of research.
Your data is likely insufficient in truly establishing a proper ratio…
1. Cigarette smokers can be counted easily through sales figures…
2. Smokers of cannabis are not as easily counted…
I was not counted as either, were you?
Using your own data proves and drives home my point further… Nicotine is highly addictive and destructive yet the government allows it… Clearly it is as addictive as a class one narcotic… Yet it is cannabis that holds that position not nicotine… Why?
is there rehab for sodium fluoride? i guess i wasn't aware of it's presence because it's not a mind inducing substance...
Is there truly rehab for the use of cannabis or is this just another way to milk you and the insurance institutions?
Just one article on fluoride
Could the nature of fluoride in the water supply be why so many people are dull and compliant? Is it just quite possible that those of us that walk with open eyes simply just intake very little fluoride?
but i guess you're right, there are multiple poisonous chemicals we take in daily so what the hell, lets just smoke crack and shoot dope. Wont make much of a difference right ta2zz?
Do not try to simply paint me the lunatic and easily write off the facts I present…
morphine is the main ingredient in poppy seeds and can and was in fact injected directly from the poppy bud.
“A Hungarian chemist, Janos Kabay found and internationally patented a method to extract morphine from 'poppy-straw': dried poppy pods and stem, and other parts of the dry plant, except for seeds and root. In natural form, in poppy plant, the alkaloids are bound to meconic acid. The method is to extract from the crushed plant with diluted sulphuroic-acid, which is a stronger acid than meconic acid, but not so strong to react with alkaloid molecules. The extraction is performed in many steps”
More on Morphine…
“As a pharmacist's apprentice in Paderborn, he was the first to isolate morphine from opium. He called the isolated alkaloid "morphium" after the Greek god of dreams, Morpheus. It was not only the first alkaloid to be extracted from opium, but the first ever alkaloid to be isolated from any plant. Thus he became the first person to isolate the active ingredient associated with a medicinal plant or herb.”
Interesting facts on Friedrich Sertürner…
heavy users of the coca leaf would suck on the plant about 3 times a day which is 390 gms. a week.
“(We should not forget that the highest incidence of chewers takes place at high altitudes, where about 75% of the population chew coca, while at 2,000 meters above sea level only 20% are habitual chewers and only 3% at sea level.)
The Andean inhabitants must endure altitudes of 4,000 meters above sea level, where oxygen concentrations are very poor. The analeptic or stimulating effect on respiration is the perfect complement to offset this chronic lack of oxygen.”
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yes, i am saying that all drugs aren't bad. i am aware of cocaine's addicting and life ruining reputation, but have you ever tried it?
have you yourself ever experienced it?
it's a very stimulating high that i personally enjoy.
the same goes for all the rest of the drugs, when used responsibly are rather satisfying and enjoyable.
There hardly seems to be much responsibility or pride in using a drug that there is never enough of… Be honest with yourself and realize the problem is cocaine can make you feel like you can move mountains while really you are selling everything for more coke… So long as you feel good everything is ok right? Remember this the next time you are picking crumbs tasting them hoping that you just found one more tiny piece of coke…
i do understand your and noc's point of view, but i dont think it fair to say that marijuana is less destructive as any other drug when used in a responsible manner.
I think you will now understand my point of view a bit better… If you can view yourself as a responsible user of cocaine, then where do you draw the line? Can there be responsible heroin addicts or crack users?
To think that smoking cannabis is as destructive as using cocaine is simply living in denial…
Peace
~T~
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#5249 - 03/11/08 12:33 AM
Re: Legal smoking herbs
[Re: Meq]
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TheMask
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Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 130
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Pot and Angel Trumpet are the two plants sacred to Shiva. I know this has nothing to do with anything.
Angel Trumpet is some heavy shit dude. I havent tried it nor would i like to do so. I read a story about a kid making tea of the flower and then drinking it. A while later he was out in his backyard cutting his dick off with some hedgescissors. Ive read a few other stories about this halluconogen too which werent too nice.
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#5277 - 03/11/08 08:57 AM
Re: Legal smoking herbs
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DaVinci
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Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 218
Loc: Australia
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I've never touched drugs in my life. I've seen the demise of many, and witnessed the atrocities induced by using drugs that are both legal, and illegal. In saying that, it really isn't my place to judge what drugs are good and bad, or what the major effects of them are on our own individual bodies. At the end of the day -- I see absolutely no point in using any form of substance, with the exception of prescribed drugs in affect to relieve pain from terminally-ill patients, or those in a serious condition after some serious accident.
The only drug that has ever run through my system is something called "Inovexitan" which was used to treat a Snake bite when I was younger (I learned a valuable lesson not to piss off a snake), because if I did not take it, it would have no doubt killed me instantly. My motto on all drugs -- including drugs such as Panadol, Asprin, etc. -- is "Harden the fuck up!"
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#8100 - 04/22/08 06:19 PM
Re: Legal smoking herbs
[Re: DaVinci]
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Phillip
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Registered: 04/22/08
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On topic: Salvia Divinorum is about the best of the legal smoking herbs. That stuff provides a crazy-intense trip when properly administered--for about six minutes. To me, the psychedelic experience was the kind of nutty I was looking for when I first tried acid--very visual, and just about out of my mind. After coming down, I was VERY relaxed, not strung out like one would be with acid or shrooms. It's good stuff, and almost impossible to become addicted to, I think.
Off topic: Who cares if drugs are good for people? Who cares if they make them stupid? People should have the right to do what they want with their own bodies and lives. Wanna shoot yourself in the head? Fine by me. Wanna live on McDonalds and butter? Fine by me. Wanna sell your TV to buy crack? Fine by me. Wanna spend your life starving in a frozen gutter? Fine by me. Wanna be "hard" and not take drugs? Fine by me. Wanna have monster dope parties with loud music, half-naked women, and free drugs for everyone? Fine by me--as long as I get an invite.
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#8142 - 04/24/08 09:30 AM
Re: Legal smoking herbs
[Re: Phillip]
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TheMask
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Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 130
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Ah. Salvia. <3 I have longed to get ahold of some of that stuff. But its illegal where i live. >_>
I completely agree with you for that matter. Freedom of choice.
Edited by TheMask (04/24/08 09:30 AM)
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#8191 - 04/26/08 06:48 PM
Re: Legal smoking herbs
[Re: Nemesis]
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LUCIFERIFIC
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Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 629
Loc: CA
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Maybe thats why goths wear black polish, cuz they gorge themselves with green mulberries? I never tried these myself. This was only for educational purposes... i read about the mulberries, and made a friend eat them until he puked. Then he experienced a trip, and the black spots came. We thought his fingers was going to go gang green and fall off. He was shitting bricks for a while. He still has all of his fingers. He smokes anything (he's our resident guinea pig - not too bright, but big hearted), even dry banana peels. He told me nutmeg nuts are hallucinogenic also, but you need to smoke a whole nut. He was telling me of this time he was high on nutmeg and when he was walking he said he was being followed by a green trash can and a VCR, and no matter how fast he ran they followed him. I tried to smoke a line of nutmeg powder, but i didn't get anything, just an odd aromatic taste, and a slight numbness in my head.
Kayla
Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (04/26/08 06:55 PM)
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