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#35386 - 02/10/10 04:57 AM Re: Datura [Re: Coyote Junkie]
Woland Moderator Offline
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Dear friends.


Not so proud to be able to say; been there, done that...
Proud to say; not doing it tomorrow.

I am now 6 feet 10, 220 lbs.
At my all time low I weighed in at 127 lbs...

Listen to the words of the wise man:

Afterword to the novel "A Scanner Darkly" by Philip K. Dick.


This has been a novel about some people who were punished entirely too much for what they did. They wanted to have a good time, but they were like children playing in the street; they could see one after another of them being killed—run over, maimed, destroyed—but they continued to play anyhow. We really all were very happy for a while, sitting around not toiling but just bullshitting and playing, but it was for such a terrible brief time, and then the punishment was beyond belief: even when we could see it, we could not believe it…. For a while I myself was one of these children playing in the street; I was, like the rest of them, trying to play instead of being grown up, and I was punished. I am on the list below, which is a list of those to whom this novel is dedicated, and what became of each.


Drug misuse is not a disease, it is a decision, like the decision to step out in front of a moving car. You would call that not a disease but an error in judgment. When a bunch of people begin to do it, it is a social error, a life-style. In this particular life-style the motto is “Be happy now because tomorrow you are dying.” But the dying begins almost at once, and the happiness is a memory. It is, then, only a speeding up, an intensifying, of the ordinary human existence. It is not different from your life-style, it is only faster. It all takes place in days or weeks or months instead of years. “Take the cash and let the credit go,” as Villon said in 1460. But that is a mistake if the cash is a penny and the credit a whole lifetime.

There is no moral in this novel; it is not bourgeois; it does not say they were wrong to play when they should have toiled; it just tells what the consequences were. In Greek drama they were beginning, as a society, to discover science, which means causal law. Here in this novel there is Nemesis: not fate, because any one of us could have chosen to stop playing in the street, but, as I narrate from the deepest part of my life and heart, a dreadful Nemesis for those who kept on playing. So, though, was our entire nation at this time. This novel is about more people than I knew personally. Some we all read about in the newspapers. It was, this sitting around with our buddies and bullshitting while making tape-recordings, the bad decision of the decade, the sixties, both in and out of the establishment. And nature cracked down on us. We were forced to stop by things dreadful.

If there was any ‘sin’, it was that these people wanted to keep on having a good time forever, and were punished for that, but, as I say, I feel that, if so, the punishment was far too great, and I prefer to think of it only in a Greek or morally neutral way, as mere science, as deterministic impartial cause-and-effect. I loved them all. Here is the list, to whom I dedicate my love:

* To Gaylene deceased
* To Ray deceased
* To Francy permanent psychosis
* To Kathy permanent brain damage
* To Jim deceased
* To Val massive permanent brain damage
* To Nancy permanent psychosis
* To Joanne permanent brain damage
* To Maren deceased
* To Nick deceased
* To Terry deceased
* To Dennis deceased
* To Phil permanent pancreatic damage
* To Sue permanent vascular damage
* To Jerri permanent psychosis and vascular damage


…and so forth.


In Memoriam. These were comrades whom I had; there are no better. They remain in my mind, and the enemy will never be forgiven. The ‘enemy’ was their mistake in playing. Let them all play again, in some other way, and let them be happy.



Thank you for your attention.
Do what thou wilt, but be aware of the consequences.
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#36101 - 03/05/10 06:50 PM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: Meq]
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LOL the multiple brands of spice has nearly doubled it seems here in the US because of the ability to get high of it and it doesn't show on a U.A. Perfect for our service members. Currently in hawaii next to the base a smoke shop has nearly trippled its profits from soldiers buying these alternatives.
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#36134 - 03/06/10 09:40 PM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: Ringmaster]
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Registered: 01/04/10
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In a former life I was heavy user of natural substances like marijauna, lsd, peyote, datura. I despised alcohol for the rampant harm it caused in my life from external sources so chose to medicate my hyper-activity with mostly pot as a young person. The condition was actually diagnosed as hyper-thyroidism later on and almost killed me as its not something guys were prone to having back then and went unchecked. As I got older these substances became increasingly detrimental to my actual life and I disposed of most of them and took up drinking instead, that was just icky. I suppose I've done just about everything out there at one time or another and granted there were a few peak experiences and I am glad I had them. After my nde I could no longer ingest any of these substances and be ok with it so all were dropped from my life. I began to involve myself heavily with my studies of the LHP at that point and have never looked back. I do not condone the use of hard drugs but have nothing against pot-almost everyone in this country smokes the stuff and it is probably one of the largest industries in Canada. What is its use for the LHP magician? I would say very little at all for the reason that it inhibits Clarity of thought quite efficiently.
I can also say with some validity that the peak experiences I had with drugs are Nothing compared to the peak experiences I have with my Self on the LHP. But I also respect the desire folks have to seek that mystery of what they might be missing. I can say this but it will likely not mean much-there is Nothing you will experience with drugs that you do not already possess the capacity to Experience within your Self while clean and focused. It is much more difficult but far more rewarding and! you will remember your experience in its entirety.I haven't tried any of these new spice "drugs", made myself incredibly sick on morning glory seeds once, but question the efficacy of pursuing -not being my Self while practicing Black Magic and Desiring a deep connection to the Source. Love the PKD quote btw.
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#36139 - 03/07/10 04:25 PM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: Ringmaster]
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It seems that "Spice" is now a generic name for various artificially-produced marijuana substitutes.

The original Spice (and its variants, including the stronger Spice Gold and Spice Diamond), once openly available from the high street, was banned in the UK the end of last year, after forensic lab tests revealed it contained synthetic cannabinoids including JWH-018. It is now as illegal as real cannabis.

Talk To Frank article on synthetic cannabinoids.

 Originally Posted By: Talk To Frank
Products like 'Spice' which contain synthetic cannabinoids are Class B controlled drugs. This means that it is against the law to possess them, to give them away or to sell them. Possession can get you five years in prison and/or an unlimited fine. Supplying can get you fourteen years in prison and or an unlimited fine.

However, some other Spice-like products are still available in the UK, some almost as effective as Spice itself. These may also contain synthetic cannabinoids, and if so will also face a ban after facing the forensic scientist's lab.


Salvia divinorum remains legal in the UK, including its highly potent extracts. This is because the psychoactive chemical, Salvinorin A, has a very different chemical structure and way of affecting the brain to other hallucinogenic drugs (hence its much shorter duration), so it is not covered by current drug laws. Past attempts to ban the drug failed to make it through Parliament, as it was not seen to be of sufficient concern.


Edited by Meq (03/07/10 04:53 PM)
Edit Reason: Added more on Salvia divinorum and JWH-018.

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#36275 - 03/12/10 07:36 PM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: Ringmaster]
the mite Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Ringmaster
LOL the multiple brands of spice has nearly doubled it seems here in the US because of the ability to get high of it and it doesn't show on a U.A. Perfect for our service members. Currently in hawaii next to the base a smoke shop has nearly trippled its profits from soldiers buying these alternatives.


the only thing is commanders are threatening immediate discharge for anyone caught with any type anywhere, but another down side to these herbs is the have about 5 times the cancer causing agents in them (i don't know the exact amount i would have to look it up again but it is high) Me personally believe in getting high on such things as suspensions/ skydiving/ piercings/ tattoos your body has some of the best drugs in it that will get you higher than you could imagine even hallucinogens you just have to find the right way to release them and also they are never going to be able to make that illegal because it delves in to religious beliefs and rights.

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#38455 - 05/12/10 03:23 AM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: the mite]
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wild lettuce opiate flower herb:


sinicuichi herb:


khat plant herb:

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#42047 - 08/19/10 04:27 AM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: Meq]
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I have tried a few, the first one that I tried gave me a bad " trip" the first 20 minutes then I calmed down and experienced strong laughter. The other ones I tried gave me a chilled out feeling just enough to relax, enjoy the music, have a nice buzz while still able to stimulate a proper thought process.

I dont belive in particularly the use of drugs. However if used in control, with indulgence and not compulsion I have found positive results with a few of these legal alternatives. On the other hand "SPICE" is too expensive for my tastes, therefore I shall stick with alcohol.


Edited by wormholetheory (08/19/10 04:28 AM)

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#42070 - 08/19/10 02:34 PM High Tea [Re: Meq]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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Registered: 09/28/08
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Well, I have to tell you a funny story here ...

Back in 1972, when I was on the faculty of the U.S. Army Armor School at Fort Knox, there was the usual soldiers' drug problem on post, which upset the Commanding General. So he had a booklet printed up & distributed to all the troops detailing the evils of pot, LSD, heroin, cocaine, etc. Somewhere amidst all these dire warnings indignant mention was made that some degenerates even got zonked by making tea out of morning glory seeds. Imagine that!

Do I need to tell you what happened? All of the garden shops for miles around Knox were suddenly swamped with [perfectly legal!] orders & purchases of you-guessed-it. Resulting, subsequently, in a U.S. Army request to all of them up to Louisville saying please please don't fill these orders; Fort Knox has, well, all the pretty flowers it needs.

I don't think the warning booklet mentioned dried banana peels, or there would doubtless have been a run on bananas at the commissary.

Is this a great country or what?
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#42071 - 08/19/10 02:44 PM Re: High Tea [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Diavolo Moderator Offline
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I have to admit I was one of those kids that heard the rumor of dried banana peels back in the day and tried it. No success. Although it sounds absurd that people even try to use such a thing, the fact that people nowadays get high on plant fertilizer (meow meow) shows it wasn't that weird after all.

D.


Edited by Diavolo (08/19/10 02:44 PM)

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#42072 - 08/19/10 02:52 PM Re: High Tea [Re: Diavolo]
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At about the same time, the emergency rooms in Salt Lake City saw an influx of people who had tried to get zonked by injecting themselves with, if you can believe this, diluted peanut butter. Caused cardiac arrest, which I guess is a sort of high.
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#42073 - 08/19/10 02:58 PM Re: High Tea [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Cardiac arrest sure is a great high.

The most amusing thing I heard this year was a dealer who got caught on a music festival wearing small flasks of nitrous oxide. Yes it is used as a drug here; filling balloons and selling those. It however created a problem for the cops because the gas in itself is not on the drug list. They solved it because one needs a permit to transport it, and in that way, could punish the dealer.

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#42075 - 08/19/10 03:05 PM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: Meq]
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In a similar vein, I bought some ground nutmeg from a supermarket about a year ago after hearing it was psychoactive in relatively large doses (Malcolm X reportedly used it while incarcerated, because what prison guard is going to confiscate fucking nutmeg?) I believe the active ingredient is called myristicin, (I didnt really care), and after taking instruction from a couple of webpages, I consumed three tablespoons mixed with milk and a little sugar....and after three hours, became naseous and paranoid. Awesome, thanks nutmeg. I was at home alone, so I staved off the waiting period by playing a litle guitar, an it took me a while to realise how loud and excited I was getting, which I assumed was also due to the nutmeg. The curtains and walls seemed to be billowing a little, but that wasn't as interesting/cool as it was unsettling.
Theres something appealing about buying something in a supermarket/garden centre and getting high off it (and pot is so fucking expensive in Ireland that anythings worth a try), but it all seems to suck so hard that sales of hawaiian baby woodrose, morning glory, nutmeg, etc., are not to my knowledge monitored. If anyones paying attention, its probably the clerks keeping an eye on who buys what so they can follow the strung out looking dude leafing through the seed packets by the aloe vera so they can laugh, and maybe go for a post-work pint.


Edited by Dedalus (08/19/10 03:07 PM)
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#42080 - 08/19/10 04:56 PM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: Dedalus]
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All the legal alternatives are crap at best and downright dangerous at the worst. The UK has very recently banned the sale of Spice and other products like it as it was resulting in numerous trips to the emergency room. Just the other day there was incident in a town about 2 hours from where I live where a teenager was sent to the hospital because he decided to smoke this "legal marijuana". Just stick to the real stuff; though it may be illegal it is MUCH safer. Unless you are allergic to it.
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#42098 - 08/20/10 04:04 AM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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First time I hear of "legal" marijuana.

Down here, where it is semi-legal to use, we don't really know that stuff. We only got the "real" version but the THC values are slowly going through the roof. What could start as a pleasant experience can easily turn into a nasty one if you buy the wrong kind, or don't know what you are buying.

I dislike the stuff and the smell is so horrible, I feel like strangling a hippie when being subject to it too long.

D.

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#42100 - 08/20/10 04:52 AM Re: Legal smoking herbs [Re: Diavolo]
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...THC values are slowly going through the roof.What could start as a pleasant experience can easily turn into a nasty one if you buy the wrong kind, or don't know what you are buying.


Just out of curiosity, what sort of "nasty" experiences have you heard people claiming that were the result of smoking pot? I have had some of the strongest stuff you could imagine and I cant imagine how such a thing as a "bad trip" on weed can occur. I mean, I can see someone having a bad experience with really strong LSD or mushroom, but weed? That really just sounds like propaganda from the good old Partnership for a Drug Free America and their buddies at the ONDCP. Reefer Madness, anyone?

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