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#2536 - 12/04/07 03:19 AM The Seance
El God Offline
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One of my friends has recently purchased a Ouija board and has invited me and a few others to have a seance.

What I wanted to know was, has anyone here ever had an experience of a seance and if so, did anything paranormal happen? Are seances safe?

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#2538 - 12/04/07 04:22 AM Re: The Seance [Re: El God]
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I'm sure that there will be many different answers to these questions from this forum. However, this is what I think.

One, personal experience. The only time I've ever used one, the planchette kind of jumped out of my cousin's and my hands. It didn't move anywhere specific or anything, but both of us got so scared we dropped it and ran out of the room. We didn't try it again.

Also. One of my close friends is very into the whole ghosts/spirits thing. He doesn't believe Ouija boards are safe. He has adamantly warned me against ever using them, for my own safety. He basically made the point that if you do contact a spirit, it's basically a 50/50 chance that you'll get a "bad" one. I'm not sure I believe all of it, but I wouldn't risk it, personally.

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#2540 - 12/04/07 12:01 PM Re: The Seance [Re: undeadridinghood]
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Ghosts are as real as you make them. there are no dis-embodied dead walking the earth. Ouija boards are a child's toy and are as dangerous as any piece of cardboard. The seance (as we see it today) was invented by Gypsies to get a bunch of gullible retards into a darkened room so they could pick their pockets. The marks were distracted with noises, possessions and "spiritual" presences while the assistants to the spiritualist lifted their jewelry and belongings. In the end they were told that the "spirit" had taken it's due.
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#2820 - 12/19/07 08:32 PM Re: The Seance [Re: birdstrike]
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I think that you should do a protection circle first and then proceed.
I always do a white light around myself and the others that are participating, that way no unwanted 'things' go home with us....cause those little bastards are annoying!


Edited by cavanah (12/19/07 08:33 PM)
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#2824 - 12/19/07 09:52 PM Re: The Seance [Re: cavanah]
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 Originally Posted By: cavanah
that way no unwanted 'things' go home with us....cause those little bastards are annoying!

One time at band camp I had a few climb up my damn pants leg and they did not stop until they hit my boxers... Let me tell you I never removed my pants so damn fast... How embarrassing... To think a white lighter would have stopped them, whoda thought...

There is nothing to fear with a Ouija board or a mystic 8 ball... I really think there is little to fear from anything Parker Brothers or Mattel currently sell...

Well nothing to fear but your own mind of course...

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#2892 - 12/24/07 10:36 AM Re: The Seance [Re: ta2zz]
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I don't know if you are aware but mattel is a major defense contractor. The make parts for all sorts of military hardware including parts for the M-16 assault rifle and plastic mine shells for riot mines. During my time in the military I've seen the damage mattel products can cause. That being said I'm more afraid of the eight ball exploding than it's mystical revelations about the future.

I wonder if a protection circle can protect one from a riot mine ball, or a .223 round? Now I'm scared!
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#2915 - 12/25/07 03:42 AM Re: The Seance [Re: birdstrike]
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Yes, it can... just shake it really hard and close your eyes... all your questions will be answered - in the blink of an eye.

You don't need protection, you'll be a-okay.
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#3970 - 02/08/08 09:45 PM Re: The Seance [Re: daevid777]
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Hmm a seance is something that can be a great thing and lots of fun, but at the same time you it is not something to take so lightly in not protecting yourself. Personally im too afraid to try it and i admit that, but my mum and my grandmother were excellent at it and they sought a lot of answers by consulting the ouijaa board, however there were times the answers they recieved came at a price.
My mum would probably tell you to treat it with the same caution as you would treat a stranger in your house and i think she'd be wise in saying that because wether you are reading the tarots or performing simple divination, you are effectivly inviting forces to come to your aid.
Its trial and error ^_^
Most of the time, the seance went ok, my mum and grandmother ususally got my great grandmother or someone familiar, but there were also times they got trouble, i cant even remember how that all got sorted out, but it really wasn't good o.0
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#4037 - 02/10/08 12:06 PM Re: The Seance [Re: Deidara_Sempai]
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 Originally Posted By: Deidara_Sempai
Hmm a seance is something that can be a great thing and lots of fun, but at the same time you it is not something to take so lightly in not protecting yourself.

Protect yourself well because your mind is one place that things such as this can hurt you… Tin foil shaped into a hat might help some for others there is medication… Proof reading before hitting the Submit button is good practice as well…

 Originally Posted By: Deidara_Sempai
Personally im too afraid to try it and i admit that, but my mum and my grandmother were excellent at it and they sought a lot of answers by consulting the ouijaa board, however there were times the answers they recieved came at a price.

My mother and grandmother along with my aunt all did the Ouija and spirit writing… I am convinced that it all comes from within… If you want to believe Keebler elves make cookies right in the bag then so be it… If not they cost about $2.99 - $3.99 a bag…

 Originally Posted By: Deidara_Sempai
My mum would probably tell you to treat it with the same caution as you would treat a stranger in your house and i think she'd be wise in saying that because wether you are reading the tarots or performing simple divination, you are effectivly inviting forces to come to your aid.

If there is a stranger in my house I will be doing everything in my power to remove him… I will not be asking him anything or trying to get anything from him…

You are afraid of ghosts and spirits… Face it make believe keeps you in check… Stories just like Alice in wonderland only involving long gone people you may have known…

In a small way I have Ed and Lorraine Warren to thank for helping me realize what a bunch of shit all of this is… Twenty years ago at a lecture they tried to convince us that not only spirits but even bigfoot was a demon and that reading sci-fi and/or playing games like Dungeon and Dragons opened these same doorways… Doing so allowed demons into your life and you had better seek god for help and guidance…

So if you are still among us wherever you are thank you Ed, thank you Lorraine… For helping free my mind…

 Originally Posted By: Deidara_Sempai
Its trial and error ^_^

I am sure it is… Probably follows the same structure as prayer… If it works you are strong if it doesn’t its just because you did not believe enough…

 Originally Posted By: Deidara_Sempai
Most of the time, the seance went ok, my mum and grandmother ususally got my great grandmother or someone familiar

So they believe…

 Originally Posted By: Deidara_Sempai
but there were also times they got trouble, i cant even remember how that all got sorted out, but it really wasn't good o.0

It involved chicken heads and late night chanting in the nude but your too young for that… Mostly when this stuff gets to be too much in ones life they tend to put it down and turn to god… This stops the attacks from the spirit world due to the fact that said person has shifted their perspective… Disbelieving in such hoo-ha altogether also works…

Remember if you look for something hard enough you will begin to find it everywhere… People need to look harder for reality and commonsense…

Have a nice day…

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#4043 - 02/10/08 04:02 PM Re: The Seance [Re: ta2zz]
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heh... busy so i see ^_^ well ta2zz whatever you say obviously you were there.
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#4090 - 02/11/08 02:36 PM Re: The Seance [Re: ta2zz]
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Hey Ta2zz take it easy! Deidara is only a young girl who is learning and finding her way, she is entitled to her opinion just like the rest of us.
I agree with with what she says, how can you form a baseless opinion on something you was obviously not there to witness?
How dare you presume to know what a person feels or fears?

I take what i do seriously and not lightly however there is nothing more boring than someone who looks down their noses at others who are just learning.
Maybe your time should be spent being more patient and learned to your fellow forumers instead of sneering at some newbie, or is it that you are afraid of new blood coming into the forum and knocking you off your tin pedistool.
Just because you are older does not necessarily make you wiser.
Your comments to Deidara's post have prooved that.

For every action there is a consequence.
If you take something that fate has not had planned for you there has to be payback. For every action there is a reaction just like anything else.

You are certainly not an old-school satanist.
Hollywood satanist, how boring.

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#4093 - 02/11/08 05:32 PM Re: The Seance [Re: dantalian]
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"For every action there is a consequence.
If you take something that fate has not had planned for you there has to be payback. For every action there is a reaction just like anything else."

That is just very wiccian of you.

There is a difference between taking responsibilty for your actions, and believeing FATE decides your rote.

The main difference between a lot of people.

You make your own choices, decisions, and future.

VERSES

Believing that Fate, preordanied, karma, etc runs your life.


A satanist is a satanist, but a black sheep is still just a sheep.


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#4118 - 02/12/08 07:51 AM Re: The Seance [Re: Morgan]
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I think your moving away from the point of topic here, this is about seances?
If you people really truely believe that fate and karma does not run your life and that the belief in spirits and ghosts is bullshit... Why would you feel the need to consider buying/making and using a ouijaa board in the first place?
If that is truely the case, then you do not really need to know the answers to the questions you ask. Decide it for yourself.

I still agree with ridinghood on what she says despite what certain close minded people say.
To belive that for every action there is a reaction, is not actually a wiccan belief, its a fact of life itself.
Do you mean to tell me that for your normal day to day actions there is no reaction to what you say or do?

For example, you do something as mundane as put the kettle on in the morning to make your cup of tea or coffee, something so mundane you mean to tell me that there is no reaction to that?
From the flick of a switch, your water gets boiled, as a reaction you've used up some electricity, you pour your water into the cup, as a reaction your making your hot drink, you drink your hot brew, you mean to tell me that there is no reaction to having made it? It either made you feel better or more awake or it made your bowels function a little better.

Its not a foolish or a wiccan thing to believe that you should air caution, even when making your cup of tea, after all there is the chance one could scold themself.

Why would it be wrong to air a similar caution if performing a seance? After all you cant exactly see what controlling the answers, whether its you or some entity. As ridinghood says, its 50/50 you dont know what you've got.
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#4121 - 02/12/08 11:19 AM Re: The Seance [Re: Deidara_Sempai]
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I never said that I did leave everthing to fate. Once again jumping the gun and putting people into pigeon holes. Maybe if you came up with your own theories and ideas, you would not spend so much time pouring other peoples books and ideas. Taking the credit for other peoples theories is not the way to go, lol.
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#4123 - 02/12/08 11:48 AM Re: The Seance [Re: Deidara_Sempai]
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You are correct! Every action according to the laws of physics has an equal and opposed reaction. This is a principle applied to physical work done.

Karma is scientifically not possible through this law of physics. here is why: Every action is the conversion of potential energy into kinetic energy or vice versa. This reaction creates an equal and opposed reaction which intern cancel each other out. This leaves the initial reaction to run its course to conclusion. The only reactions possible in physics are conversions of energy resultant from other physical energy conversions. the principle of equal and opposed reaction is predominantly a mathematical one. It is used as a way of measuring exerted force. Karma states a rule of retribution based on a moral base which is intangible.

Example: If I kick a hobo I exert a kinetic direct force upon that person forcing his potential energy to convert into kinetic as he flies through the air. As he hits the ground that kinetic energy becomes potential once again. Although that hobo may then exert kinetic energy to in turn create an energetic reaction in me if he does not then I am free to exert kinetic force in another direction. I leave feeling good about myself and all is right with the world. The act of kicking the hobo, and its moral implications cannot exert force to have a sign fall on me.

It is a personal pet peeve of mine when new age morons attempt to equate intangible belief based stupidity with scientific principles. there is no need to air caution when talking to spirits simply because you are the one who invented them! There are no disembodied dead roving the earth looking to communicate. When people die they are dead; period! This is a pretty much unanimous satanic principle whether theistic or LaVeyan. If you guys can't grip core ideas like that may I suggest the John Edwards or Silvia Brown website. There are also many wicca and new age sites you may enjoy. There are even "dark wicca" sites if you'd prefer to maintain you "evil" status.

You are on a Satanic website. this site is predominantly LaVeyan. LaVeyan or otherwise Satanism is a religion where one worships the self or manifestations of the self as god. Gods need no protection and have no fear. If this idea is not appealing leave, you are in the wrong place.
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#4278 - 02/16/08 03:44 PM Re: The Seance [Re: birdstrike]
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well rounded argument.
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#4279 - 02/16/08 04:16 PM Re: The Seance [Re: birdstrike]
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Hah, well said birdstrike. I have to admit of all who have disagreed yours is the most intelligent post i've read so far, nor does it appear you have jumped on the bandwagon.

I base my arguments on what are taught by LaVey in satanic witchcraft. I belive that magic practice is neither light or dark, however LaVey states himself that in order to use your power be it lesser magic or greater, that one way or another you make a deal with the devil. He taught that applies to any witch, even ones who label themselves 'white' witches, and that it is they who are in denial. So where you people get that Satanism does not have that side to it, then you are sadly mistaken.
Perhaps i might be so bold to reccomend the book Satanic Witchcraft although the majority of it is about ensnaring men using none other than womanly wiles, theres stuff in there about witchcraft and rituals. He doesn't rule it out, he simply states the denial of wiccans and 'good' witches and magic practising.

I should probably re-read it again sometime, im only going by memory.

Now you get good people and bad people. If a person dies, is it scientifically prooven where the energy of a person goes when they die? The truth is no one knows what happens after a person dies. If they did, there would be ultimate answer to the age old question and there certainly would be no need for any relgion as the fact would be there in black and white.
So why rule it out?

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#4283 - 02/16/08 06:04 PM Re: The Seance [Re: Deidara_Sempai]
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If they did, there would be ultimate answer to the age old question and there certainly would be no need for any relgion as the fact would be there in black and white.
So why rule it out?



Why rule anything out? Maybe you should cover all of your basis, and join every religious sect that will have you. Just to be safe.


CLICK HERE, to join my religion. Hurry, membership is limited to only the first 6 billion people.


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#4664 - 02/29/08 11:55 PM Re: The Seance [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: cavanah
that way no unwanted 'things' go home with us....cause those little bastards are annoying!

One time at band camp I had a few climb up my damn pants leg and they did not stop until they hit my boxers... Let me tell you I never removed my pants so damn fast... How embarrassing... To think a white lighter would have stopped them, whoda thought...

There is nothing to fear with a Ouija board or a mystic 8 ball... I really think there is little to fear from anything Parker Brothers or Mattel currently sell...

Well nothing to fear but your own mind of course...

~T~



I can picture Parker Brothers with a room full of evil Shamans hired to curse the dreaded Ouija Board, then quickly shipped to the nearest Toys'R'Us.

Really, I think it's a matter of what you believe, because if you think you're going to summon spirits or whatever, then you probably are going to hype yourself up so much in this seance that your perspective is going to be one suseptable to something such as that. We create these beings, through our minds, and it's our natural fear of them that hinders us from seeing that these are manifestations of the psyche gained form and presence in our own perspective realities.

Perhaps cast a circle, or have a group chant a protective spell, or something, think positive and on hoping to meet a good spirit and you probably will have a decent experience
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#4666 - 03/01/08 12:10 AM Re: The Seance [Re: El God]
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 Originally Posted By: El God
One of my friends has recently purchased a Ouija board and has invited me and a few others to have a seance.

What I wanted to know was, has anyone here ever had an experience of a seance and if so, did anything paranormal happen? Are seances safe?


I thought i contacted Elvis once when I was playing with my magical ouija board, but after much pondering and questioning i figured it was just a muscle spasm. Those damn muscle jerks. They happen so subtly, especially when there's lots of people holding the pointer thing. Here's something to try at your seance, after you've used the Pentagram banishing ritual, and tied garlic to the door post:

Call your spirits and talk to it; and after much hoo haa; blindfold everyone's eyes and see if your spirit can still communicate or spell.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/01/08 12:14 AM)
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#5304 - 03/11/08 04:40 PM Re: The Seance [Re: birdstrike]
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under theory that what is active in the seance is only an accidental egregore, it totally safe. The spirit is under complete control and manipulation by the seance e's . That is, as long as you truly beleive it's under your control.
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#8581 - 05/10/08 04:44 AM Re: The Seance [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan

There is a difference between taking responsibilty for your actions, and believeing FATE decides your rote.

The main difference between a lot of people.

You make your own choices, decisions, and future.




Morgan is right.... that is more Wiccan than Satanic.

I personally don't believe in fate/karma. WE DO make our own choices [right or wrong]. That's what keeps my foot in the Satanic Doorway.



As far as the topic on Seance - I've preformed many and been in many. What really happens... not Ghosts/Spirits in the common use of the term [being real or incorporeal beings] - possibly 'Ghosts' of the mind.

I can testify that strange things happened during the 'ceremony'. But what is it? My New Age philosophy teachings say 'collective unconsciousness' brings this about. The Spiritualist teachings are, of course, they are real 'Ghosts/Spirits'. The Psychology of it says 'All in your mind[s]' on and on.... maybe it depends .. could be a mix of these things happening in this world.

On a personal level - I think the 'strange happenings' is caused by my unconsciousness.... things I know to be that my conscious mind is not thinking about or not aware of.

Are Seances safe? Depends..... the one preforming the 'ceremony' needs to know how to deal with things that might occur. If they are experimenting or playing around -- you might want to think twice.

Paranormal - yes - but not every time. I've experienced vortexes, hot and cold spots, seen things 'fly and move around'... etc..
And have seen 'Ghosts'...

*note: Ghosts - I believe I've seen can be explained by Psychology... My Subconscience or Unconscience mind has projected the image... though not real in a physical since, it is real in a vividly imagined experience. Or in other words, it's real to me but not a Ghost in the Hollywood since.


I also don't recommend a Ouija Board from any toy company -- MAKE ONE YOURSELF or have someone to make one for you. They have been around for centuries before Parker Brothers came along.

You can conduct or do the same thing without a Ouija or Witch Board. Many other methods - even as simple as sitting in a quite place and 'contacting' who or whatever. The board really has nothing to do with it... it just makes a great 'show'.

The answers are within yourself -- that is what you are tapping into -- your Unconscience or Subconscience mind. [A belief in Psychology and New Age alike].


I have to agree with BirdStrike - Karma IS IMPOSSIBLE! See the explanation above!! I do wish it were real for one reason: to watch those suffer that deserve it!! I wish they would 'get theirs' back 100 fold. But you have to do that yourself, Karma/Fate will not - it doesn't exist.
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