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#25361 - 06/05/09 12:26 AM Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking
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An open mind that demands no evidence will let in an awful lot of rubbish.

This reminds me of the saying: It's good to be open-minded - but not so open-minded your brain falls out...


Edit: From the Announcements thread:
This was already posted in the Video Discussion Forum, but I decided to re-post it here for all visitors to the home page to see.

New users, consider this "required viewing" before participating in debate.
Such high standards of critical thinking are very much mandatory here.


Edited by Meq (02/19/10 05:45 PM)
Edit Reason: Added link to other thread

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#25362 - 06/05/09 12:32 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Meq]
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Saw this a few months ago. Good stuff. If only critical thinking were taught in school.
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#25380 - 06/05/09 12:18 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Meq]
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Very well presented and explained. This should be required viewing for every new member that signs up here.
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#25406 - 06/05/09 06:21 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: fakepropht]
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Fake is right this needs to be required for all new members it describes a lot of the arguments that happen here
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#25414 - 06/05/09 08:59 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Meq]
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I can't tell you how many times I've talked with a Christian (without coming right out and saying I'm a Satanist) and said that, "while I don't believe, I don't entirely discount the possibility of God; however, without empirical evidence to support his supposed existence I remain unconvinced." I have been met with "oh, he's out there; my prayers have been answered." As if that was a definitive argument for the affirmation of his existence. ;\)
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#25421 - 06/05/09 10:18 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Draculesti]
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Great video. I think I might have to make my children watch that again and again as they get a little older. LOL

Thanks for putting it up Meq

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#25432 - 06/06/09 12:17 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Meq]
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I made this video sticky. At least it will be the first thing you see when you enter this section.
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#25467 - 06/07/09 12:00 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Meq]
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"Open-mindedness"...!! One of my very least favorite phrases. I'm glad to see others share my sentiments, and are motivated to create a little presentation around the idea.

At least this vid gives people who get backed into conversational corners when trying to defend hard-core materialism something to remember at the last ditch. (That's not a sarcastic remark! I am really being sincere.)

People tend to forget that there's scarcely any way to prove anything on the typical internet discussion forum, anyway. If you demand proof from someone who would ultimately have to come to your house, have you come to his house, or meet with you somewhere to show you the proof--think for a moment: Do you REALLY need proof, when faced with the prospect of having to put the guest towels out for someone who's probably a little "eccentric" anyway? I would forego further argument, and have on numerous occasions, upon consideration of the "ultimate showdown" and its possible consequences. (That's why scientists usually try to do things in labs, where the equipment is insured...)

As well, it's usually pointless to provide a hard-core materialist with an experiment that he or she can "try at home" to test something that they classify as paranormal/supernatural (and therefore, not "real"). You know that even if it only takes a few hours total of experimentation, using stuff they already have or can obtain for less than $10, they're not gonna do it. They just want to keep arguing, basically, until you get sick of listening to them and either give in or make some sort of error that they can use against you.

A lot of the time I can (and will) say, "Hey, I'm not trying to get you to accept hearsay as fact! Calm down! Try this experiment where you live, in your town, just do this, this... (etc)"--and they won't even address that, they'll just go back to arguing like I didn't say a thing. (Many--not all, of course, but many--of those who argue for hard-core materialism are not in fact scientists and know little of science, but suppose that it makes them appear smarter to stand on the side of science in any argument where science is involved.)

There is really no way anybody can be "right" in the classic sense on the internet, unless in discussion of something that is already established and can easily be duplicated, such as that the world is round. There are still many people who do not believe that the world is round--personally, I dislike trying to argue with someone like that, but supposing I was so inclined, I would be able to say to that person, "No one on earth believes that the earth is flat, but in case that does not sway your thinking, please mark the place where you are standing and proceed in any direction you choose without changing course--you will find that if you keep going in the same direction, you will eventually return to the place you began."

If no such verification is available for either side of an argument, that in my opinion places the topic into the category of "idle discussion". Idle discussion is of course one of the fun things about the internet. Some people will get kind of excited, which can also be fun at times. ;\)

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#25486 - 06/08/09 02:22 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Meq]
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This video was awesome. and I was pleased to see that the same guy who made it also had the genesis argument...that's the first time I've ever known anyone else to think of the genesis argument...
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#25509 - 06/08/09 08:50 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Scarlett156]
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This video leans much more strongly towards (epistemological) empiricism than (metaphysical) materialism or physicalism.

The former is a theory of knowledge of the world being derived from objective experience and evidence.
The latter is a claim about the nature of reality (that only matter and physical energy exist, not 'spirits', and consciousness has a physical basis).
The two are often run together, but they are distinct ideas nevertheless.

I'm not sure what you mean by "hardcore materialism", but the upthrust of this video is:
While to dogmatically assert that matter and energy are definitely all that exists might be a closed-minded approach; it is not closed-minded to ask for evidence and reasons FOR the existence of anything immaterial, supernatural, spiritual or otherwise; and without such evidence being available, to refrain for assenting to belief in such concepts (with the possibility of changing one's mind should evidence to the contrary accumulate).

Many people untrained in science and philosophy do take the former position as a kind of dogma. However, this is not how the latter position works, as it is not dogmatic, and to conflate the latter view with the former one is to commit the logical fallacy of a 'straw man'.

The distinction here is much like that between that of 'strong' and 'weak Atheism' (the latter which may overlap with agnosticism).
A 'strong' Atheist asserts that there definitely is no god.
A 'weak' Atheist in contrast merely abstains from giving his assent or belief to the proposition 'there exists a god or gods', on the grounds that he currently has no good reasons to do so.
While 'strong' Atheism may be accused of being somewhat of a metaphysical dogma, as it makes assertions concerning gods, the latter position makes no such assertions and thus cannot rightly be considered dogmatic or closed-minded.

Although it is often important to make judgments about (for example) whether one considers a 'supernatural' realm to exist or not, it is important to note that all human knowledge is ultimately fallible, thus there is no need to take such judgments as a kind of absolute truth.


For a final example: I am aware of various claims concerning the Christian God. An alleged big person outside the universe who hates it when people come to the wrong conclusion about his existence - in fact, he hates it so much he is willing to barbecue them for all eternity.

I see no reason to positively accept this claim about such an entity. This doesn't mean I am closed-minded or prejudiced about the existence of such a being, more like I require some better reasons and evidence before I assent to a belief in his existence.

As such, I can be 'open-minded' about the claim of his alleged existence without simply taking a counter-dogma as fact, or falling into the trap of fearing hell or divine judgment without good reasons for accepting such beliefs.

Rather, I have moved beyond the need for such simple-minded dogma altogether, and choose an approach to reality based on thought, not blind faith.

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#25530 - 06/09/09 10:24 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Meq]
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I'm not sure what you mean by "hardcore materialism", but the upthrust of this video is...


I was not trying to be antagonistic. I always favor the rational argument, and applaud any common contribution to its strength.

I was not trying to explain the video. It (the video) is simplistic, and kind of entertaining. xoxo
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#38452 - 05/12/10 02:55 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Scarlett156]
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#38484 - 05/12/10 09:45 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Gareth]
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Gareth, if you can't provide an actual response to posts, instead of this copy and paste shit (the pictures of weed in another thread, and now a fucking Beastie Boys video), you can take a hike.

Newfags stay in Satanism 101.
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#38491 - 05/13/10 03:22 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Gareth, if you can't provide an actual response to posts, instead of this copy and paste shit (the pictures of weed in another thread, and now a fucking Beastie Boys video), you can take a hike.

Newfags stay in Satanism 101.


that isn't marijuana it's alternative smokable herb, you need to learn punctuation and spelling retard.

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#38495 - 05/13/10 07:28 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Gareth]
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And you need to learn some manners. Your own punctuation skills are called into question when you can't even be bothered to capitalize the first letter of your sentence, nor use a period in place of a comma to break up your run on sentence. Not to mention, stooping to the level of calling someone a retard. Your profile says you're 28? And yet you act like you're 18.

Have a nice life.
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#38506 - 05/13/10 02:48 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Nemesis]
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I view open-mindedness much the way Lawrence Krauss said it. That being, an open-mind is based on forcing your beliefs to conform to the evidence of reality.

Edited by Adversary (05/13/10 02:48 PM)

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#38586 - 05/15/10 08:19 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: fakepropht]
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Nice video. What many of us believe to be common sense is often not for most.

 Originally Posted By: Meq
A 'strong' atheist asserts that there definitely is no god. A 'weak' atheist in contrast merely abstains from giving his assent or belief to the proposition 'there exists a god or gods', on the grounds that he currently has no good reasons to do so.


I would just like to add that Atheism is the lack of a belief in God, not the belief that there is no God. You can guess at a lot of other things about an Atheist but the only thing you can safely assume is that they lack a belief in God.

 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Your profile says you're 28? And yet you act like you're 18.


I'm 18, and I can assure you that even my 12 year old sister has a higher maturity level than that of "Gareth."
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#38589 - 05/15/10 09:10 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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 Originally Posted By: SubtleSatanist

 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Your profile says you're 28? And yet you act like you're 18.


I'm 18, and I can assure you that even my 12 year old sister has a higher maturity level than that of "Gareth."


I've no doubt of it! We've had some younger members here that have put people in their 30's to shame. I only used the age of 18 as a reference point. As you well know, there are plenty of moronic 18 year olds, just as there are exceptionally bright ones. The typical 18 year olds tend to give their more intelligent peers a bad rep.

I always like to be pleasantly surprised. It keeps life interesting!
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#38594 - 05/16/10 09:34 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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 Originally Posted By: SubtleSatanist
I would just like to add that Atheism is the lack of a belief in God, not the belief that there is no God. You can guess at a lot of other things about an Atheist but the only thing you can safely assume is that they lack a belief in God.


I disagree. By definition, an Atheist (a-theos, "without a god") denies the existence of God. This is an absolute notion. On the contrary, an agnostic (a-gnosis, "absence of knowledge") cannot pronounce himself and simply "lacks" faith.
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#38596 - 05/16/10 10:13 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Phobos]
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 Originally Posted By: Phobos
I disagree. By definition, an Atheist (a-theos, "without a god") denies the existence of God. This is an absolute notion. On the contrary, an agnostic (a-gnosis, "absence of knowledge") cannot pronounce himself and simply "lacks" faith.


(a-theos, "without a god.") means just that, without a God. If theism is to uphold belief in a deity, then a-theism is to not uphold belief in a deity. But if we can't even define our own terms then there is little to talk about. Having said that, I'll just cite a couple definitions...

Atheism as defined on this website is as follows:
"The lack of theistic belief. Not believing in God or other deities."
http://www.the600club.com/encyclopedia/Atheism

Dictionary.com disappoints me.

On "Wiktionary" it defines Atheism as
"commonly described as the position that there are no deities.[1] It can also mean the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[2] A broader meaning is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Atheism is not a "belief" in itself but a way in which to classify "belief," or a lack thereof. For example, LaVeyan Satanism is an atheistic religion, as is Buddhism (save the few sects that claim that the Buddha was/is a divine being) because they both lack a belief in a God.
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#38597 - 05/16/10 10:26 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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I think we can agree Merriam-Webster is a reliable source?
Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée Atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
Date: 1546
1 archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity


Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something

— ag·nos·ti·cism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun

To add to what is stated above, if people cannot use words for their definition, then we are speaking jibberish and there is no hope for communication.

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#38599 - 05/16/10 11:37 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Adversary]
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 Originally Posted By: Adversary
I think we can agree Merriam-Webster is a reliable source?
Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée Atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
Date: 1546
1 archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity


Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something

— ag·nos·ti·cism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun

To add to what is stated above, if people cannot use words for their definition, then we are speaking jibberish and there is no hope for communication.


I should have precised my referring to the Dictionnaire de l'Académie française which is, I guess, another reliable source too.
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#38601 - 05/16/10 11:42 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Phobos]
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Of course. I suppose it would differ a bit. People often misunderstand what the two are. Thank you for clrifying for me.
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#38602 - 05/16/10 11:43 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Adversary]
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Great video, thanks for sharing.
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#38615 - 05/16/10 08:39 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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 Originally Posted By: Adversary
I think we can agree Merriam-Webster is a reliable source?
Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée Atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
Date: 1546
1 archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity


I care more for the content of the definition than I do the source. Normally, I would demand a reliable source for facts, but definitions are not facts, as they are often up for debate. Clearly, this source of definitions has it's prejudices. Anyone who describes Atheism as a doctrine, or wickedness, clearly has no idea what they are talking about and clearly doesn't care. If Atheism is the lack of a belief in God, than I would define agnosticism as either the belief that God's existence is either equiprobable (50/50), (or as withheld belief due to a lack of evidence) or a question beyond our understanding, Temporary Agnostic in Practice (TAP) or Permanent Agnostic in Practice (PAP) respectively. That said, I guess I would say that all agnostics are atheists, and some atheists are agnostics.
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#38618 - 05/16/10 09:11 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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Yes, the words uses "on the street" are different than definitions can be. Regarding the reference of Atheism and wickedness was in relation to its archaic use.
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#38632 - 05/17/10 06:37 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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 Originally Posted By: SubtleSatanist
I care more for the content of the definition than I do the source. Normally, I would demand a reliable source for facts, but definitions are not facts, as they are often up for debate. Clearly, this source of definitions has it's prejudices. Anyone who describes atheism as a doctrine, or wickedness, clearly has no idea what they are talking about and clearly doesn't care. If atheism is the lack of a belief in God, than I would define agnosticism as either the belief that God's existence is either equiprobable (50/50), (or as withheld belief due to a lack of evidence) or a question beyond our understanding, Temporary Agnostic in Practice (TAP) or Permanent Agnostic in Practice (PAP) respectively. That said, I guess I would say that all agnostics are atheists, and some atheists are agnostics.


Words do not come from nowhere, they have origins, "roots". You can despise this idea because you are too lazy to learn but you cannot honestly pretend that all things are equivalent.
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#38634 - 05/17/10 07:13 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Phobos]
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Should I even bother replying? Obviously many words only have one definition, but as I stated previously, many are up for debate. For example, your definition of a Christian may differ from a Christian's definition of a Christian. Likewise, your definition of an Atheist may differ from an Atheist's definition of an Atheist. This thread alone is proof of that. Too lazy to learn? That was low.
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#49817 - 02/26/11 05:21 AM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: Meq]
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since i'm a newbie i clicked on your thread and watched that video but i already knew most of that info accept for the part at 7:25 i didn't know critical thinking was compatible with open mindedness and that it empowers it and i also didn't know that
what u take and don't take into consideration is promoted by science. Thank you so much for indirectly helping me. :] HAIL SATAN!!!!!!

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#51795 - 03/27/11 06:22 AM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Nemesis]
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Man I have never seen such an educational video before. I agree with ZephyrGirl, I should make my kids watch this too.
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#53795 - 05/01/11 02:09 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: SPEEDEMON]
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spiritualism and magick are not scientific by nature and therefore it makes no sense to apply a scientific standard. We should apply a rational standard I suppose though.

For example science believes in observable results that can always be repeated. What if I can make a result happen 60% of the time- it is real, but its not scientific because it isn't consistent enough. Psychology is not a "hard science" itself, not subjected to the scientific method, but is real. Philosophy isn't science either.
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#60871 - 11/02/11 03:12 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Thule]
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But just think what if magic and science combines.What could be the possibilities. I am quite influenced by The Sorcerer's Apprentice



Banned, great, another idiot influenced by a Disney cartoon... Morgan


Edited by Morgan (11/02/11 04:30 PM)
Edit Reason: banned after enough fail posts.
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#62351 - 12/07/11 07:41 PM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: Meq]
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Great vid on this topic. I think a lot of people miss the idea!


One line posts are frowned upon here... Morgan


Edited by Morgan (12/07/11 07:44 PM)
Edit Reason: warning/information
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#62377 - 12/08/11 12:40 AM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: kvac]
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I'll probably piss off a bunch of people by saying this, but my opinion is, you can't get knowledge of reality through empirical means. Science is useful on a practical level, but in my humble opinion, it just doesn't work as a descriptor of reality in all its comprehensiveness. Everything is always schematized. Any given view is always embedded in a perspective. Objectivity, I simply do not trust anymore and consider it a clever fiction.
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#63429 - 01/07/12 10:55 AM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: Meq]
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In conclusion, do not speak about your ghost(s) experiences, it won't lead you very far. I recognised myself a lot in that video, it made me laugh because it is truly a waste of time to talk about something you can't really prove. I am still going into houses where people want me to perform some sort of cleansing and I have to say that I saw much more than a shaking lamp. Still, I have no way to confirm with absolute conviction what I experienced.

Very informative video, I will try to remember and notice that pattern when I will discuss with someone.

Thanks for sharing.
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#65169 - 03/03/12 01:31 PM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: Meq]
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Thank you, my Liberal Art's Education schooled me in critical thinking. I am a new Follower of the Left handed path. I have over the last 3 years since the death of a dear brother 56 years old, I rejected my catholic lie, and was let to this knowing I was born into Satanism. catholics know the devil very early and we are slaves to guilt. I tore off the chains of religion, God is remote and christ never was god. I have been living a life of survival and I am here. Hail Satan.
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#66874 - 05/22/12 03:03 AM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: Meq]
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I could not agree more! Critical thinking is essential to being. However, if you want everyone to think critically or to think correctly then here is what you must do to cause change.

Destroy the structure that now is in place. Use violence. Only destruction can clear away the refuse of ignorance and reinstate a society of self thinkers.

This is obvious, I feel silly even posting it here.

You know this and yet you do nothing. Why?

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#74097 - 01/04/13 01:36 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Nemesis]
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There are several types of intelligences such as referenced by Howard Gardner: Visual-Spatial ,Bodily-kinesthetic ,Musical ,Interpersonal ,Intra-personal ,Linguistic ,Logical -Mathematical,Naturalist Intelligence and Existential Intelligence. Sixth sense intelligence is gaining ground as evidenced in the TV series Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman. The Hellenistic astronomers saw past the empirical standings of the their time that the world was flat but actually spherical. The imaginations of science fiction novels are today's technology. Whether atheistic Satanists find something they can not explain and theistic Satanists find something that is no longer a mystery is irrelevant. All intelligences should be employed ,if you are able to draw on them. One person may need empirical evidence and science to ground their understanding of the world in which we live. Another may need to step of f the regurgitated works of others to create new plausible ideas. This video is another example of epic academic failure and should have the warning to all who seek intelligence and knowledge -beware of confirmation bias. I personally would strive for this in my pursuit of knowledge, wisdom, life “I was like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me (Newton)”.
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#74876 - 01/26/13 09:12 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Draculesti]
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 Originally Posted By: Draculesti
I can't tell you how many times I've talked with a Christian (without coming right out and saying I'm a Satanist) and said that, "while I don't believe, I don't entirely discount the possibility of God; however, without empirical evidence to support his supposed existence I remain unconvinced." I have been met with "oh, he's out there; my prayers have been answered." As if that was a definitive argument for the affirmation of his existence. ;\)




If someone had stated "their prayers have been answered", wouldn't that just be a chance of luck or just chance itself? I swear some people just get stuck on believing in the J-man. I always had the impression if there was a god, a god who cherished everyone why wouldn't he end hunger and suffering? I can never get an educated answer to that question and I've been looking for one FOREVER.

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#74877 - 01/26/13 10:57 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Lucifershal0]
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People who want to believe will find proof everywhere.

It's as simple as that and unless someone attempts to approach it scientifically, they can just as easily find proof to support their disbelief. This holds true for anything (much like the argument that you can always find some statistic somewhere to back up your argument, no matter how outrageous it is).

Personally, I think that prayer is simply a focus of the mental will. For those who do not have the strength to hold themselves accountable for their own lives, they say they have prayed to god and god has answered (or sometimes "god chose a different path" for them). For those who are bold enough to be master of their own fate, they may call this "magic" or "self-hypnosis" even. It boils down to that old adage, "where there's a will, there's a way." If you are determined - and it does not defy physics or some other natural law - then you will find a way because your will - will be focused on that goal. If you are not truly dedicated to a goal, it doesn't matter how many gods you beg for help (including the self-god), it will not happen.

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#76384 - 05/17/13 01:32 PM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: Meq]
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Dear friends,

I want to state that the abrahamc religions are but a mass controll mechanism by energitic means, they penetrate into the deepest layers of mind and control people subliminally, there is actually a fact that all these institutions chridtianity and islam are of the same root, and meant to dumb and hold people down. we could overcome these problems with the help of each other.
please dont get offended or be deffensive this is an idea to ignore and destroy religions.

First post out of the Gate? (1 week ban)


Edited by xear (05/17/13 01:41 PM)
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#77836 - 07/07/13 08:02 PM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: TillTheDayIDie]
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 Originally Posted By: TillTheDayIDie
I'll probably piss off a bunch of people by saying this, but my opinion is, you can't get knowledge of reality through empirical means. Science is useful on a practical level, but in my humble opinion, it just doesn't work as a descriptor of reality in all its comprehensiveness. Everything is always schematized. Any given view is always embedded in a perspective. Objectivity, I simply do not trust anymore and consider it a clever fiction.


It can be, I can say from personal experience I got caught up in that trap when I was a kid. If I couldn't use empirical means, then I'd be willing to dismiss something on that premise alone. In essence, I became closed-off to a lot of things. In time, you mature and grow, it's a process.
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#81503 - 10/24/13 01:25 PM Re: Open-Mindedness? [Re: Nemesis]
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I enjoy the way truth is told.To have open-minded is the main way to see the Light that is in every one.Any time,we feel the presence of ourselves,we have to listen to ourselves in an universe of freedom.I agrre that a large open-minded is not very good.Life is us,make it as it sounds for us.we are the world.

D.

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#84562 - 01/29/14 11:22 AM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: Meq]
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Applause!! hello my name is Hobbs and I'm a closed minded baboon.... lol

I do see the point and agree with it. However do to the way society works its just not practical. for example If one person makes a supernatural claim and you proceed to counter already their is a defense of "how dare you challenge me". no the person is less likely to be receptive to any thing else especially when you are in front of an audience, No one wants to be made a fool.

So going about this is no easy task. Even if one were to listen to ones claims and then respond with prove your case, the most likely out come would be for the person to simply to brush it off or change the subject. because both of you know the claims are false, although making just a good conversation piece you now become the pin that popped the bubble.
There for removing you socially from the group or less likely to involve you in a future conversation.

Example: a bunch of coworkers are having a conversation about Aliens and you decide to stop and listen to your coworkers claims your also greeted by other coworkers and are welcomed into the conversation. This is a small but sure way that you are not an out cast and they approve of you and vouch for you being "one of the guys". So other names are on the line.

now listening to his alien /U.F.O story. You being the fucking Satanist that you are, never taking things of face value. Go into the scientific reality that intergalactic space travel while carrying Life forms, Explaining about cosmic radiation, Gasses, meteors, Solar flairs, and just traveling at the speed of light threw a vast un measurable space would most certainly be impossible.

Scientifically correct you now have just popped the bubble. The people around you are less likely to bring you into a conversation again thus hurting your social status. you'll be known as the know it all and probably be exiled from future conversations.

Now I know this because I've been placed as such at my job and with most of my friends. "As the one who just cant take anything on face value" or "Just loves to argue"

I have to admit it gives me a good feeling but it absolutely hurts my social status.

So speaking your mind and causing conflict isn't always the best thing to do all the time that could also be considered closed minded.

because knowing where you stand socially will determine weather or not their going to talk to you, To have an opinion.

just my thought.




Edited by Mr Hobbs (01/29/14 11:36 AM)

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#86315 - 04/06/14 06:27 PM Re: Open-Mindedness and Critical Thinking [Re: Mr Hobbs]
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For your UFO case, I would argue that you are being closed-minded by not accepting the possibility of it being true. Improbable, yes. Impossible, no.

Indeed, one hundred years ago, no one could have ever thought that we would be living in a computer age like ours. Yet, we do and it has changed us in ways no one thought possible. In another hundred years, technology may make space flight much easier and much more probably. So, if we could potentially do it, it would be egotistical to think aliens could not.

Its like when Christianity first encountered the Chinese. Westerners could not conceive of these "Inferiors" surviving without Jesus. Yet, they did just well. Where there is a will, there is a way.

Of course, this is how I would argue it if I were a coworker of yours. Of course, to me, so what if aliens are real. It wouldn't really change much. I am not going to start being some alien-loving hippie. For me, the history channel focuses too much on aliens and pseudoscience and should focus more on - you know, history. This is probably why your coworkers are into it. My dad is the same way. I have yet to see a show about Prussia, or even China on that channel.


Edited by theharkonnen (04/06/14 06:30 PM)

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