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#25398 - 06/05/09 04:25 PM rule of the earth number 11.
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LaVey said: "When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him."

This is a very tricky thing to do in a society with lots of rules and a big, powerful authority system. I think it would be extremely useful if a lot of people shared and we all got some tools for the tool box. What are some of the ways to deliver swift justice without landing yourself in court? Does anyone know some examples of what LaVey did? What are some things you did?

I've provoked someone to make physically aggressive movements and then "defended myself". That was admittedly risky.

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#25400 - 06/05/09 05:07 PM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: coelentrate]
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Well, I can tell you that not too many people bothered LaVey when he was in open territory. He was pretty well known wherever he went, and wherever he went, he went armed. AND he had people like me or "Tony" or others with him who tended to be the business end of his demand that someone get the hell away from him.

But I've seen him physically grab a chair and make ready to take the head off of someone who insulted him in a restaurant. He was a gentleman until it was time NOT to be.
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#25401 - 06/05/09 05:12 PM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: Jake999]
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There are times I would love to hit someone in the head with a chair, but I think I'd get arrested and sued.
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#25404 - 06/05/09 05:39 PM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: coelentrate]
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It is a difficult one as for the most part the law works on a "justifiable force" basis. It would go against one's own benefit to simply take a Bas Ruttenesque approach and break somebody's limb for a minor insult, as you would probably be looking at severe fines and/or prison (or at least that's how it goes in the UK). Instead I prefer to match an opponent insult for insult and blow for blow and then add just that little bit more, just enough to destroy their ego but without getting myself into trouble.
Of course there's always going to be some asshole who takes it too far and in these cases you just have to stop yourself from injuring them too badly and hope nobody reports you.
I would advise against going out looking for trouble, after all, the 11th rule can be used by other people too.

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#25423 - 06/05/09 10:40 PM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: coelentrate]
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The apprpriate response will vary depending on the amount this person is "bothering" you and how. Destrutction doesn't have to be physical. A few choice words can often render a person a speechless as well as make them look like complete fools.

If it gets to the point that you want to use violence a few choice words can also cause a person to take a swing. This allows you to defend yourself i.e. adminster a legally sanctioned beat down.

It can be dangerous though so be as sure as possible that you can actually win the fight. Sometimes it won't neccessarily be about winning, just knowing that you stood up for yourself can be vindication enough even if you lose.

As far as legal ramifiation go; be smart about it, and know your limits. Usually if you use a weapon when your opponent doesn't have one or you strike them when they are already on the ground you are crossing the line from self-defense to assualt.
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#25433 - 06/06/09 12:42 AM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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But what about the subtler approach? If you know some basic information about the person, sign them up for some magazines and websites. Staunchly anti-gay? How about a subscription to "Out" magazine, with "please contact me for future offers". A few anonymous ads posted on Craigslist? "Looking to try anal for the first time" is sure to have their phone and email going bonkers.

If you're in a bar, order the guy a Shirley Temple. That could escalate things though.

If it's a coworker or close person that you know the habits of, try the old pen or toothbrush rubbed in your butt crack method. Best case, they get sick. If not, you get a good laugh the next time the chew on the pen or brush their teeth.

You don't always have to beat someone within an inch of their life and risk arrest or worse.
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#25442 - 06/06/09 04:32 AM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: fakepropht]
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I do not know whether my post was deleted or if I did not post it properly. I will post it again If it is deleted I would like to know why. Either way I will not re-post it.
I came to this forum looking to find a serious discussion of the philosophy of Satanism, instead I find people posting about breaking chairs on heads and stuffing another persons toothbrush up your arse. Is this really the level of posting that is encouraged here or is it just tolerated?
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#25443 - 06/06/09 04:51 AM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: satipera]
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Maybe you should read the topic and understand what the conversation is about before you comment on it.

You are in a new place, look around, read a bit. Then comment on stuff after you understand what you are commenting on.

You stated you were into politics, well then...

Go read the political forum, and see if you can add to any of those conversations.

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#25444 - 06/06/09 04:51 AM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: satipera]
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Honestly, you have yet to show you have the ability to even recognize Satanic philosophy, much less condescend others for not holding to your standards of what it should be. What the hell have YOU contributed?

Maybe you should re-read the OP, and try to digest the question and why the answers are relevant to that question, rather than spout off and look ignorant.

Just a thought.
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#25446 - 06/06/09 05:05 AM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Really, delete my account. You are defending observing rule of the Earth number 11 by putting a toothbrush up your arse?. I will do some reading on my own. Goodbye.
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#25447 - 06/06/09 05:08 AM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: satipera]
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 Originally Posted By: satipera
I came to this forum looking to find a serious discussion of the philosophy of Satanism, instead I find people posting about breaking chairs on heads and stuffing another persons toothbrush up your arse. Is this really the level of posting that is encouraged here or is it just tolerated?


Well satipera, I've been on this forum for a little while now and here I've read a lot about this Satanic Philosophy you're talking about. (I do a lot more reading than writing. I think that's the not-too subtle hint people are giving you.) It's not hard to find. My question was fishing for new ideas on practical application of Satanic thought. This isn't a philosophy only forum, and my post is one example.

To put it more nicely than you deserve, your post is misguided.

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#25451 - 06/06/09 10:45 AM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: coelentrate]
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In today’s politically incorrect society, the victim of assault, who defends themselves, is often viewed as the aggressor; so one has to be smart about how, when, and to what level they use physical force to defend themselves.

In the olden days, a person could best defend themselves from an aggressor by working out, and learning some form of warriorship. Today, perhaps, a person would be better equipped to defend themselves if they got a law degree.

If you have to physically defend yourself from an aggressor, then it might be prudent to appear greatly traumatized by the experience, and the fact that you had to hurt some poor, misguided soul, who attacked you.
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#25459 - 06/06/09 02:19 PM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: satipera]
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It appears you have not expanded your reading or train of thought outside the boundaries you have erected. Since you choose to single out my comment about a toothbrush up your ass, allow me to elaborate.

It is not an original idea. It actually appeared in print, which is where I got the idea from. I want to say it was in either a book written by Abbey Hoffman or one of the Cloven Hoof mags written by Anton LaVey. I tried to search it online, but you know when you type anything involving the ass, 1000 porn sites pop up. Therefore, I can not cite my reference, but given half a day, I could probably find it.

Next, let's explore the concept of the toothbrush up an ass. Anyone beyond the 3rd grade knows that fecal matter contains harmful bacteria, germs, waste, etc. When these nasties are inserted into the mouth, there is the chance to contract a disease. Now if you are getting back at someone close to you, wouldn't it be so much better to have them contract some kind of disease and it be untraceable to you. Say, hepatitis? Rather than just punching them in the face and spending some time in the clink and on probabation, and carrying an arrest record with you for life, instead you might get lucky and get to relish in the fact this person is puking their guts out for 3 days. Or worse. At the very least, should no illness result, at least you get the satisfaction of seeing this person showing off their "pearly whites". Not every reaction to a situation needs to involve smashing chairs over someone's head or plucking out eyeballs.

Grow a set of balls.
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#25461 - 06/06/09 03:30 PM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: fakepropht]
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To the OP:

I guess I have an advantage, being a single female toting a couple of smalls around all day. Legally, the level of "bother" that I must endure is quite a bit less than you would get away with. I could shoot a man in the head just for being in my doorway if I could prove that I felt myself or my children were in danger. I don't even have to prove that we WERE in danger, just that I THOUGHT we were.

Essentially, I took #11 to mean what you can hear about by tuning into any pop station: "don't start no shit, wont be no shit." Don't fuck with other people, but don't stand there like a pussy if they fuck with you. Respect is earned, but you will have none if everyone gets to publicly bugger you.

If you are secure in yourself and your abilities, you will project a type of image that tells people as much. When you see a cop in the grocery store, it doesn't matter if he's wearing a clown suit, you know he's a cop. He has that commanding aura about him. That's the type of projection one should make in order not to be bothered...but if some punk wants to test the waters, be sure to prove to him that they are shark-infested.


Edited by ceruleansteel (06/06/09 03:32 PM)
Edit Reason: misspelling

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#25468 - 06/07/09 12:20 AM Re: rule of the earth number 11. [Re: coelentrate]
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I read all the replies in this topic. What I can add is that he used the word "destroy" instead of "kill"--to me that indicates recognition of tacit (mutually-accepted) degrees of retaliation against offenses.

That is, I think he means "destroy" as in "destroy the offender's ability or will to bother you again", leaving the method and degree of destruction up to the offended party. After all, he doesn't say: "Here's what I think you should do if someone bothers you"--right? And he's not saying: "I kill anybody who bothers me." He's saying: "This is what I do when someone bothers me."

An individual who over- or under-reacts to stimulus on a regular basis, time and time again, does not survive long. A self-interested person will not base his reaction to an offense on the momentary rage or upset that the offense causes, but first gives a sportsmanlike warning, and then--in the event that the warning is not heeded--proceeds to the action that best suits his own wellbeing and interests. Killing is seldom going to be the result of a well-thought-out, self-interested response to an offense, but something is ALWAYS going to be destroyed; it's up to the offended party to make certain that what gets destroyed is nothing of his, once his retaliatory acts are set into motion.

I hope this was helpful in piecing together an answer to your question.

~~~ yours in Chaos, Scarlett


Edited by Scarlett156 (06/07/09 12:21 AM)
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