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#25574 - 06/11/09 07:09 AM Satanic Rules
Atralux Lucis Offline
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Well I scoured the internet which was a bust so now I ask these forum user people.
Is there a book in which is written the 11 satanic rules of the earth?
If so which one?

I looked around a fair bit and couldnt get an actual answer. Are these Rules written In a book like the Statements or are they just a seperate little thing that are basically made to be committed to memory CoS there isnt a reference.

Also could also those questions be answered the same for the Satanic Sins.

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#25580 - 06/11/09 12:33 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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I may be wrong, it's been a long time, but I think the 11 statements are written in _The Devil's Notebook_. The Sins can be found in _The Satanic Bible_. I know I have a printed copy of the 11 statements somewhere. I'm just not the type to go flipping through books and magazines to find out.

If nothing else, they are listed on the official CoS site if you need to reference them.
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#25597 - 06/13/09 03:23 AM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: fakepropht]
Atralux Lucis Offline
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9 Satanic Statements- Satanic Bible
11 Satanic Rules- Devil's Notebook (maybe)

Now where are the Satanic Sins? because they are not in the Satanic Bible

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#25631 - 06/14/09 11:02 AM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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You will find everything that you are looking for here, in Magus Gilmore's tome The Satanic Scriptures.

http://www.thesatanicscriptures.com/blog/


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#25652 - 06/14/09 09:27 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: FromGehenna]
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There on the Wikipedia page for LaVeyan Satanism (link below), I've never felt the need to flick though books to find them honestly. Would you mind if I ask why you're wondering which book they're in? They doubtfully get expanded on much more than what's on the Wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
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#25771 - 06/19/09 09:55 AM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: TornadoCreator]
Atralux Lucis Offline
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Basically I dont want to have to turn on a computer every time I want to remember them. Also a book has more sentimentality.
I just dont have the time or the energy to bother trying to memorize them all, at the moment my actual knowledge of them is vague.

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#25791 - 06/19/09 02:53 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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 Originally Posted By: Atralux Lucis
Basically I dont want to have to turn on a computer every time I want to remember them.


Then memorize them.
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#25792 - 06/19/09 03:14 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Ethophobia]
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Memorization has no purpose without motivation. Learning is not learning without the motivation to acceptance of the information or principles presented, even if that acceptance is of a negative value.

If one feels that self-education or enhancement of one's knowledge is a chore, let them wallow in ignorance. Treasure is only treasure because you have to work to obtain it. Satanism isn't some training ground for people to see if the philosophy fits them, like some cheap suit from a bargain basement retailer.
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#25793 - 06/19/09 03:20 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Jake999]
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I did not see the author say he or she was trying to learn anything. The difference between memory and wisdom is vast indeed, but if the author has not the effort to memorize them, then I question further capacity to morph that information to a state of wisdom.

You probably said it better than me anyway. Good job. ;\)
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#25794 - 06/19/09 03:30 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Ethophobia]
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 Originally Posted By: Ethophobia
I did not see the author say he or she was trying to learn anything. The difference between memory and wisdom is vast indeed, but if the author has not the effort to memorize them, then I question further capacity to morph that information to a state of wisdom.

You probably said it better than me anyway. Good job. ;\)

Wisdom uses you memorative capacity.
One doesn't need to "remember"/say the rules or sins by heart, it only makes you look like parrot asking for a cookie.

For someone with a vast understanding, these things should already be in the brain just by mere reasoning.
Things as "don't give opinions or advice unless asked" (debatable this one..) shouldn't be memorized since it is common sense if one takes time to think for a change..
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#25802 - 06/19/09 08:30 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Dimitri]
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Its more or less whatever. I googled to see if i could find them outside of the books I have and lo and behold..
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#25844 - 06/20/09 05:16 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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 Originally Posted By: Atralux Lucis
Basically I dont want to have to turn on a computer every time I want to remember them. Also a book has more sentimentality.
I just dont have the time or the energy to bother trying to memorize them all, at the moment my actual knowledge of them is vague.


I can't believe no-one else has suggested this yet.

Well why don't you get that pen over there and write them down on this here piece of paper... easy isn't it.
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#26547 - 07/01/09 10:09 AM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: TornadoCreator]
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The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in anotherís lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.


thought id post them up since people are talking about it

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#26600 - 07/01/09 09:43 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: satansydney]
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I honestly forgot about simply writing them down. Thank you.

I often print things out or write them down and read them over some 10 times and remember them, but thats a good idea.

But also how did they come to be on the internet anyways. If LaVey wrote them, then what did he write them in?

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#26601 - 07/01/09 09:51 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to have to write those down. There is nothing special about them. All pretty much just common sense and something you should have already known.(With the exception of #7)

Are these really something that needs to be written down so you can refer to them in order to know how to conduct yourself? Call me ignorant, but I just don't see the point.
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#26604 - 07/01/09 09:56 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Well no of course not, but they have sentimental value obviously. Its like saying after you read the Satanic Bible from a library I dont need to own one CoS i understand the points made.

And they give someone a backup resource in making a decision. Sometimes common sense can be muddled up in ones mind and havng them set down in 11 rules makes it all the more easier.
Its really like a dissection and order of common sense if you put it that way.

But still, where did the rules come from? they cant simply 'appear' on the internet, they would needed to have existed outside it first, so I ask again, where did they come from?

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#26606 - 07/01/09 10:13 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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That would be on any number of websites such as:-

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html
http://altreligion.about.com/od/satanismlaveyan/a/11satanic_rules.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

They where published as a small document and circulated by Anton LaVey two years before the Satanic Bible was published and are referenced in almost every Satanic text published since they where circulated.
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#26607 - 07/01/09 10:26 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Well it's not like LaVey wrote a giant library of books. I don't think buying every book he ever wrote would break many of us.

Otherwise this quest for such an answer is pretty pointless if you are just trying to figure out which book to buy.

(from wiki)

* The Satanic Bible (Avon, 1969, ISBN 0-380-01539-0)
* The Compleat Witch, or, What to do When Virtue Fails (Dodd, Mead, 1971, ISBN 0-396-06266-0); republished as The Satanic Witch (Feral House, 1989, ISBN 0-922915-00-8); re-released with an introduction by Peggy Nadramia, and an afterword by Blanche Barton (2003, ISBN 0-922915-84-9).
* The Satanic Rituals (Avon, 1972, ISBN 0-380-01392-4)
* The Devil's Notebook (Feral House, 1992, ISBN 0-922915-11-3)
* Satan Speaks!, introduction by Blanche Barton, foreword by Marilyn Manson (Feral House, 1998, ISBN 0-922915-66-0)

Out of those 5 books 2 can be found in the media room. A hunt can find the satanic witch on another forum as well. So therefore you could in theory read three of five books to see for yourself where it was written. This would knock it down to two physical books you would have to buy to answer your own question.

But who is to say it was published in any book at all? Would it be so unfathomable to think it might just be something written for an old church newsletter?

I must ask do you question the validity of this being an authentic writing by LaVey?

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#26612 - 07/01/09 10:56 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
That would be on any number of websites such as:-

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html
http://altreligion.about.com/od/satanismlaveyan/a/11satanic_rules.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

They where published as a small document and circulated by Anton LaVey two years before the Satanic Bible was published and are referenced in almost every Satanic text published since they where circulated.



Thanks a heap that answered my question. So basically printing them off the internet would be more or less the same as the original document.
Thank you for satisfying my curiosity that was it.

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#26768 - 07/03/09 08:36 PM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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While I hate to suggest this, I believe Wikipedia has it all. It was fairly accurate so I gave it to my tattoo artist for some reference.
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#27399 - 07/23/09 01:54 AM Re: Satanic Rules [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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didnt the 11 statments use to be in the Satanic Bible. I could have sworn when i first read it some 5 years ago it had them in the book, but when i got a new copy a few months back they werent there.
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