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#25801 - 06/19/09 08:17 PM Satanic ethics involving family and ties.
Ethophobia Offline
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I know it seems like kind of a no brainer, but I have also fought with this notion and I was wondering if any of you had insight to the problem, or ways you handle such things. I kept it in 101 because I do not want to bother anyone in case this gets asked often.

I am as close to what I believe a true satanist can be. At least in this body and this mind. Although I do not practice the occult side of things, I live my life by the philosophy. Where I personally seem to trip up is with matter concerning family or close friends breaking any or all of what I tend to see as the "bare bones" of respect within my paradigm. Do not be stupid. Do not burden others, especially with things you have put upon yourself. Do not suffer fools.

I am not going to name who these people are in my life, but what I will say is that nearly everyone close to me, whether blood or time-strengthened, often act as though they have never heard of tact, respect or stupidity. One person self-indulges in everything, boasts no skills or talents, lives in the past and refuses to do anything to better himself. And yet my fiance* and I may share a meal with he and his girlfriend tonight. Another of them lets a man walk all over her, feeds her addictions and brings upon herself many problems that force her to lose touch with herself and her relationship with the world.

It is these situations where I both draw the most strength and the most confusion. Strength, most simply put, because I usually go out of my way to try to help these people. They cry out, and I will do my best to relieve their burden and when I do, I feel good about it. When they seek advice, I will give it under no uncertain terms, and the truth they shall hear. It is for this reason that I have gotten a name of a very aggressive, mean-spirited person because I will not hesitate to point out a person's stupidity and fault when they ask me to inform them.

In any case, how do you handle these love/hate relationships? Do you have or keep any?


*Fiance!?
Yep. She is one of the most important people in my life, and she wants a wedding. So she gets one. I see no problem with it. If you do, take it up with me at the monkey bars after school. ;\)
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#25808 - 06/19/09 11:33 PM Re: Satanic ethics involving family and ties. [Re: Ethophobia]
Morgan Offline
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People are stupid.

Most people are stupid.

Most people with active xitan tendencies are dense.

Most americans follow some form of xitian beliefs.

Thus, no matter what you say to your family, it wont matter.

They wont understand, believe, or have the desire to look outside the box.

Once you accept that they can not be changed and accept their shortcoming, they will be easier to deal with.

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#25810 - 06/20/09 12:24 AM Re: Satanic ethics involving family and ties. [Re: Morgan]
ZephyrGirl Offline
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I think it depends a little more on the actual family. Because of my nature, I seem to be put into possitions of bringing a bit of honesty and truth and thought into peoples lives, especially when it comes to my family and when it comes to themselves and their own natures and have learnt to befriend only those that deserve my friendship. I have had to learn some tact at times, as who wants to actively upset family and friends, but I never do so at the sake of the truth, there is always a way to get the point across without having to have arguments about beleifs etc.

That is not to say that I disagree with Morgan, I totally agree, most people are stupid. I just can't suffer fools and refuese to have them as friends, regardless of how smart they make me feel. Maybe you need to look at yourself and what they actually bring into your life??? We all tend to project onto others, but do you really want to fix the world? It's going to be a huge dissapointment when you realise that you can't. Better to do that sooner rather than later as I know you are still quite young.

One thing I really agree with in being Satanic is lying about your motives or reasons. Pretending to be Christian to make your way in the world is probably the smartest thing a Satanist can do. I'm just shit at doing it! That's one of the reasons I like playing poker, it is teaching me to be more manipulative and sneaky, some Satanic qualities that don't come naturally to me, but will certainly help me in the long run.

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#25817 - 06/20/09 06:41 AM Re: Satanic ethics involving family and ties. [Re: Ethophobia]
Dimitri Offline
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I am as close to what I believe a true satanist can be.

Labeling/believing you are a "true Satanist" doesn't make you one, and for this I refer to the theistic teenage brats who think they are the real deal..
Just on a side note.

People are people, one person might seem stupid to you, the other one very wise. You are referring/judging people by your own standards.
Someone you might call intelligent, I can call stupid.
Someone you call idiotic I can call a genius. It all depends on the information and personal views you have at hands about the persons.

Even so, I call some (not to say most) people in my family stubborn (at least not straight in there face but I sometimes drop a few hints..). Does it make them stupid? No, their common sense sometimes lack. But each of them has a certain field in which he/she is specialised. Just as all persons on the world.

I openly admit I do not have that a vast knowledge about eastern mystisism. But my field of experience lies in others regions. A person only deserves the title stupid when indulging in something new, having no fucking clue what it is about and yet spreading the word as if he/she is the real deal.

Always keep in mind that the persons around you also have a mind of their own. However they act, whatever their morals are, they have brains also. If they use them is a topic apart...
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#25926 - 06/21/09 11:36 PM Re: Satanic ethics involving family and ties. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
The Zebu Offline
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Pretty much agreed. Everyone has faults, but not everyone has the strength to overcome them.

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One thing I really agree with in being Satanic is lying about your motives or reasons. Pretending to be Christian to make your way in the world is probably the smartest thing a Satanist can do.


I agree with the former, but not the latter. Ideally, a Satanist should not be afraid to manipulate perceptions about his/her motives provided he can master the fine art of keeping his deceptions in control. But with the current state of Western Society, pretending to be a Christian is not quite as profitable as it used to be- unless you want to get into heavy politics and corporate butt-kissing.
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#25932 - 06/22/09 12:39 AM Re: Satanic ethics involving family and ties. [Re: The Zebu]
ZephyrGirl Offline
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Yes, you bring up the flaw in my thinking, that I realised about two hours after I posted that sentence. However, I tend to fly by the seat of my pants when posting for the most part, so sometimes, I don't follow my logic all the way through to the end. Being emotional by nature does this to me, damn pesky hormones. LOL

Thanks Zebu, I appreciate you questioning my statement. It has given me the opportunity to correct that train of thought. Saying it is the smartest thing to do was a little eager, but I'm sure the majority will get the point regardless.

Zeph
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#25937 - 06/22/09 01:11 AM Re: Satanic ethics involving family and ties. [Re: Ethophobia]
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People need to make their own mistakes. You can try to steer them onto the "right path" but ultimately their choices are their own, as such so are the consequences.

If the consequences of their actions start to affect you, you can try and say something or just disassociate yourself from that person.

It may be difficult to handle if someone you care about is fucking up, but like I said people have to make their own mistakes. They will either learn from them or they won't. The choice remains theirs alone. Concerning yourself too much with the affairs of others will only have a negative impact on your life.
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