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#25930 - 06/22/09 12:23 AM What offends you the most?
Azza Offline
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Like the title asks? what offends you the most?

For me its when people second guess my intentions when i help a female. Whenever it happens the culprits think im just helping for the chance to hook up or stuff like that

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#25934 - 06/22/09 12:52 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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Well I for one will say not much offends me. But I'll give probably the only thing I have trouble ignoring. Child porn, child abuse, child rape anything that hurts children (well mainly my own, I don't give a shit about your kids LOL).

So go barage me in chat with the offensive child jokes if you want me to either try and offend you back or leave, but knowing how well mannared people here actually are (as apposed to what they are accused of), I doubt it would happen anyway. *wink*

I know for a fact people thought of things they didn't write in my dying thread for fear of offending me.

And that's about as warm and fuzzy as it gets around here for the most part, which is one of the reasons I like it here. I'm not looking for warm and fuzzy, I can get that on another forum.

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#25938 - 06/22/09 01:15 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Well that explains why you where so against lolicon in a previous discussion last year, once I can never see us agreeing on.

As for the dying topic, it just didn't feel appropriate to start discussing our feeling about how we handle death, dogmatic ideals of afterlives etc. You're more than a discussion starter here Zeph, you're respected for a reason and people would rather celebrate the person they know in that topic... even I can agree with that, and we used to rip each others teeth out, (why are we being civil all of a sudden?)

But yeah. To get back on topic. Loads of things offend me. In fact I'm perpetually offended, it's why I have an opinion on everything. The things that offend me the most (and I'll have to be painfully unimaginative on this one), are faith and a lack of critical thinking, stupidity, getting above ones station. Some of the best examples are Creationists.... damn I want to hurt them. "Doctors" that prescribe homoeopathic 'medicine'. And on a more personal level, even my own family, friends and neighbours when I hear them talking about something and all agreeing with each other while NOT ONE of them has actually bothered to look the subject up and all of them are making complete fools out of each other but all so pig ignorant and prideful to admit they haven't a clue what they're banging on about. I could go on, but I won't.

As for Zephyr's point. Child abuse I can't stand, but people make too big a deal about child molestation. It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be. Sure rape is bad, but why is it suddenly so much worse when it's a child that's harmed. I've had some fairly bad things happen to me in the past, but honestly, a little child molestation is never going to be in the top five worst. Only the most weak of people allow something like that to keep them from growing and developing as a person. If anything looking back, as a child being abused, you can at least console yourself in the knowledge that you where young, weak, too impressionable, and unable to reasonably defend yourself. As an adult you can't. Maybe you could have screamed at the right time. Maybe you could have fought back. Maybe you could have done something to stop it. Rape is a nasty crime but it's not as bad as people make out, and child molestation is honestly blown out of proportion. I would say grievous bodily harm is worse. Making someone loose their sight, hearing, the ability to walk, etc. much worse that rape, you can recover from rape. The courts seem to disagree.
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#25939 - 06/22/09 01:21 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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Stupidity offends me the most. Well, I guess it is not so much that it offends me but that it pisses me off. The worst thing about stupid people is that they get together with other stupid people, breed and their numbers increase exponentially.

Luckily thought stupid people have a tendency to do stupid things thus getting themselves killed and lowering the number of stupid people. On the flip side it seems that stupid people are breeding faster than they can kill themselves off.

Another thing that offends/annoys me: fat girls who wear shirts that say "cutie",or, "hottie". That is false advertising and I am not above contacting The Better Business Bureau.

Other than those things not much offends me. I have learned that being offended too much is a waste of time, because there are people like me out there who will find out what offends you and do it simply to get under your skin. Plus no one likes a whiny little bitch.
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#25940 - 06/22/09 01:25 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Okay, you are an asshole.

Rape isn't that bad.
Child molestation isn't that bad.

Are you fucking kidding me?????

You take this view because you happen to like cartoon kiddies getting fucked and raped.

I'm not going to ask on your views on real people.

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I am disgusted by stupidity, child abuse (all types), and people who don't bathe enough.

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#25943 - 06/22/09 01:52 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Originally I wasn't intending to respond this but I just can't help myself, so fuck it.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Child abuse I can't stand, but people make too big a deal about child molestation.


What makes you think there is a differnece between the two?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be. Sure rape is bad, but why is it suddenly so much worse when it's a child that's harmed.


Lets see you say it is not a big deal when it happens to someone you care about. I have a feeling you would be singing a different tune then. The reason why it becomes so much "worse" when it happens to a child is because, I think, children are seen as "innocent" and to do something like that is to rob them of their innocence, to take away their chance at having a normal childhood. The idea being that an adult can cope with it better. Wheter or not that is true is debatable.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Only the most weak of people allow something like that to keep them from growing and developing as a person.


That right there is EXACTLY the kind of stupidity I was talking about in my initial post. What a ludicrous claim to make. Do you know anyone that has happened to? Do you understand the damaging psychological effects that can have on a person, especially a child? I am suprised you didn't go so far as to say only the most weak of people would allow it to happen to them.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I would say grievous bodily harm is worse. Making someone loose their sight, hearing, the ability to walk, etc. much worse that rape, you can recover from rape. The courts seem to disagree.


Even more stupidity coming from you. I would think recovery from rape or molestation would be alot worse. The psychological damage worse than any physical damage from a beat down. Perhaps you should be raped and them beaten down and raped again so you can understand what I am talking about.

I'm with Morgan on this one; you are an asshole. Now go jack off to Sailor Moon and swallow a shotgun barrel.
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#25944 - 06/22/09 01:54 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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Actually. If you recall I said I didn't like lolicon, I simply didn't support it being made illegal because I considered it equivalent to making a thought crime.

As for real people, if it's under-age then you don't touch it. Some people mature faster than others. I know 16 year old who have their own place and job. I know 18 year olds with families and a stable home life and I know 27 year olds who still go on pub crawls, don't know how to wash a dish and can wreck a bicycle when they're sober. If I remember rightly it I had an issue with a young girl who was showing an interest in me and I wasn't sure if I should just tell her straight off no, or just be friendly until she was old enough to make a mature decision because I liked her personality, we really got on well and I didn't want to upset her. I also remember when my blue name was removed that I requested topics discussed there to stay in there as they could easily be taken out of context, I even asked for the posts to be deleted at one point, but apparently that wish was ignored.

And yes, I stand by my comment. Rape isn't that bad. It's a horrible event that no-one should go though. But you know what, so's getting beaten up by a gang of thugs, so's getting threatened in a dark ally with a knife, so's getting hit by a car, so's finding out your fiancée sleeping with her boss, so's having a family member die suddenly and so's being rushed to hospital when you're kidneys are shutting down. ALL of these things have happened to me... including being sexually abused when I was 10 years old, but you know what. NONE, not one of them bloody matter. They hurt for a few days, the embarrassment and anguish may take some weeks or even months to heal, and sure, being taken advantage of like that is painful (it took me until I was 17 before I told anyone and actually come to terms with it, but I'm over it now). People who haven't been there don't know how it feels but you know what, the media have made it out to be the worst crime out there and a great many of the victims are milking it for all it's worth. Recent surveys and reports show that between 25-30% of people where abused sexually as a child, it can't be that bad or a shit load of people would be extremely traumatized. It's not that bad, it's just media spin.

So yeah, now you know my reasoning. You know what also gets me pissed of. You know what also really offends me. People making a statement like "you are an asshole", based off an opinion that has sod all to do with them and making me out to be something I'm not. I expect more from you Morgan, you've always been a good influence on the forum and your posts worthwhile. Consider someone's argument in future, perhaps it has a basis in that persons past.
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#25945 - 06/22/09 02:01 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Originally I wasn't intending to respond this but I just can't help myself, so fuck it.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Child abuse I can't stand, but people make too big a deal about child molestation.


What makes you think there is a differnece between the two?

There isn't, molestation is simply a type of abuse. It's just it's often treated as so much worse than any other type of abuse. It's not that molestation isn't bad, it's that it's not automatically so much worse than other forms of abuse.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be. Sure rape is bad, but why is it suddenly so much worse when it's a child that's harmed.


Lets see you say it is not a big deal when it happens to someone you care about. I have a feeling you would be singing a different tune then. The reason why it becomes so much "worse" when it happens to a child is because, I think, children are seen as "innocent" and to do something like that is to rob them of their innocence, to take away their chance at having a normal childhood. The idea being that an adult can cope with it better. Wheter or not that is true is debatable.

I'm already speaking from a point of experience actually, as I said in my last post.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Only the most weak of people allow something like that to keep them from growing and developing as a person.


That right there is EXACTLY the kind of stupidity I was talking about in my initial post. What a ludicrous claim to make. Do you know anyone that has happened to? Do you understand the damaging psychological effects that can have on a person, especially a child? I am suprised you didn't go so far as to say only the most weak of people would allow it to happen to them.

Is myself good enough?

I moved on. If someone else can't, if they define themselves on the one event, they are weak. As for the last statement. I KNOW that when it happens you have no control over it, I wouldn't make such a stupid assertion, but getting over it and moving on is in your control.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I would say grievous bodily harm is worse. Making someone loose their sight, hearing, the ability to walk, etc. much worse that rape, you can recover from rape. The courts seem to disagree.


Even more stupidity coming from you. I would think recovery from rape or molestation would be alot worse. The psychological damage worse than any physical damage from a beat down. Perhaps you should be raped and them beaten down and raped again so you can understand what I am talking about.

I understand only too well... perhaps you should consider that when someone has a strong opinion on something it's because they can relate closely too it.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I'm with Morgan on this one; you are an asshole. Now go jack off to Sailor Moon and swallow a shotgun barrel.

Hell, the way Morgan made me out to be I don't resent that comment. I wonder if you'll reconsider it now though?
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#25946 - 06/22/09 02:01 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Regardless of your heaping pile of rationalizations and only slightly veiled appeal for pity, you will find little sympathy for those that would have the audacity to DEFEND child abuse here.

You are quite the piece of work.
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#25947 - 06/22/09 02:04 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Ironically, I think those that would actually try to downplay child molestation offend me the most! (as per the OP)
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#25948 - 06/22/09 02:04 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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You are still an asshole.

And you know what, I do have personal experience in this matter.

It happened to me.

So you can try to clean up and explain yourself but it doesn't matter.

There is a big difference in how people react to psychological trauma. It makes some kill themselves, it makes some stronger, and some just go numb. Those acts perpartrated on a child changes them. They may "get over it", but they never forget it, and it does color how they view life.

I forget sometimes how naieve you are in regards to the outcome of actions on others.

I wish you never see the things I have.

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#25949 - 06/22/09 02:06 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Regardless of your heaping pile of rationalizations and only slightly veiled appeal for pity, you will find little sympathy for those that would have the audacity to DEFEND child abuse here.

You are quite the piece of work.


At what point did I defend it, I simply said it's blown out of proportion and made out to be worse that it really is. I consider murder, grievous bodily harm, torture etc. considerably worse, but for some reason when you ask someone what the worst crime they can imagine is they always say child molestation. I agree, it's a horrible crime. I just think there are many things worse out there.

Seems like people are too quick to lynch here, not prepared to read.
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#25950 - 06/22/09 02:13 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
You are still an asshole.

And you know what, I do have personal experience in this matter.

It happened to me.

So you can try to clean up and explain yourself but it doesn't matter.

There is a big difference in how people react to psychological trauma. It makes some kill themselves, it makes some stronger, and some just go numb. Those acts perpartrated on a child changes them. They may "get over it", but they never forget it, and it does color how they view life.

I forget sometimes how naieve you are in regards to the outcome of actions on others.

I wish you never see the things I have.

Morgan


OK... perhaps we should all take a step back here.

I will re-examine my ideas on the subject and attempt to consider how others react to the situation. However, I want to remind people. I have stated on many occasions, I have difficulty seeing things from other perspectives, especially emotionally. I am after all autistic although mildly and higher functioning, it still plays a part in my personality.

I am willing to admit that perhaps in this case what I said was a little too subjective and an extreme opinion without justification making it seem unfounded and blinked to anyone other than myself. However I expect the same in return. People have gone too far here. Morgan, you crossed a line with what was discussed and you did it intentionally, and people where far too quick to demonise me. This is after all a "What offends you?" topic, the answers are not expected to be politically correct or objectively considered, they're personal and emotional and people didn't consider that when they decided I was such an asshole.
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#25951 - 06/22/09 02:20 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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If you can't see things from the perspective of others then don't expect them to extend you that courtesy.

You claimed to be offended that people are offended by rape/molestation. As a result you offended people by being offended that they are offended. Do you follow?

Claiming to be autistic may have gotten you out of dodge-ball during PE in school but you will find no sympathy here, at least not from me.
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#25952 - 06/22/09 02:22 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I am glad that you are going to think about things and re-examine your choices.

Your words in quotes:
"People making a statement like "you are an asshole", based off an opinion that has sod all to do with them and making me out to be something I'm not. I expect more from you Morgan, you've always been a good influence on the forum and your posts worthwhile. Consider someone's argument in future, perhaps it has a basis in that persons past."
then
"Morgan, you crossed a line with what was discussed and you did it intentionally, and people where far too quick to demonise me."

You brought up your past, I brought up mine. Big Fucking Deal. I brought up a counter argument to your statement based on fact and personal experience.

Yes, this is a "What offends you?" topic, and simply your thoughts and previous outlook on the subject matter offend me.
Apparently, your views on this matter also offend others.

End of story, if you are not able to understand that your personal views will be questioned, then maybe you should not have posted them.

Morgan
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