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#25930 - 06/22/09 12:23 AM What offends you the most?
Azza Offline
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Like the title asks? what offends you the most?

For me its when people second guess my intentions when i help a female. Whenever it happens the culprits think im just helping for the chance to hook up or stuff like that

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#25934 - 06/22/09 12:52 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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Well I for one will say not much offends me. But I'll give probably the only thing I have trouble ignoring. Child porn, child abuse, child rape anything that hurts children (well mainly my own, I don't give a shit about your kids LOL).

So go barage me in chat with the offensive child jokes if you want me to either try and offend you back or leave, but knowing how well mannared people here actually are (as apposed to what they are accused of), I doubt it would happen anyway. *wink*

I know for a fact people thought of things they didn't write in my dying thread for fear of offending me.

And that's about as warm and fuzzy as it gets around here for the most part, which is one of the reasons I like it here. I'm not looking for warm and fuzzy, I can get that on another forum.

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#25938 - 06/22/09 01:15 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Well that explains why you where so against lolicon in a previous discussion last year, once I can never see us agreeing on.

As for the dying topic, it just didn't feel appropriate to start discussing our feeling about how we handle death, dogmatic ideals of afterlives etc. You're more than a discussion starter here Zeph, you're respected for a reason and people would rather celebrate the person they know in that topic... even I can agree with that, and we used to rip each others teeth out, (why are we being civil all of a sudden?)

But yeah. To get back on topic. Loads of things offend me. In fact I'm perpetually offended, it's why I have an opinion on everything. The things that offend me the most (and I'll have to be painfully unimaginative on this one), are faith and a lack of critical thinking, stupidity, getting above ones station. Some of the best examples are Creationists.... damn I want to hurt them. "Doctors" that prescribe homoeopathic 'medicine'. And on a more personal level, even my own family, friends and neighbours when I hear them talking about something and all agreeing with each other while NOT ONE of them has actually bothered to look the subject up and all of them are making complete fools out of each other but all so pig ignorant and prideful to admit they haven't a clue what they're banging on about. I could go on, but I won't.

As for Zephyr's point. Child abuse I can't stand, but people make too big a deal about child molestation. It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be. Sure rape is bad, but why is it suddenly so much worse when it's a child that's harmed. I've had some fairly bad things happen to me in the past, but honestly, a little child molestation is never going to be in the top five worst. Only the most weak of people allow something like that to keep them from growing and developing as a person. If anything looking back, as a child being abused, you can at least console yourself in the knowledge that you where young, weak, too impressionable, and unable to reasonably defend yourself. As an adult you can't. Maybe you could have screamed at the right time. Maybe you could have fought back. Maybe you could have done something to stop it. Rape is a nasty crime but it's not as bad as people make out, and child molestation is honestly blown out of proportion. I would say grievous bodily harm is worse. Making someone loose their sight, hearing, the ability to walk, etc. much worse that rape, you can recover from rape. The courts seem to disagree.
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#25939 - 06/22/09 01:21 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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Stupidity offends me the most. Well, I guess it is not so much that it offends me but that it pisses me off. The worst thing about stupid people is that they get together with other stupid people, breed and their numbers increase exponentially.

Luckily thought stupid people have a tendency to do stupid things thus getting themselves killed and lowering the number of stupid people. On the flip side it seems that stupid people are breeding faster than they can kill themselves off.

Another thing that offends/annoys me: fat girls who wear shirts that say "cutie",or, "hottie". That is false advertising and I am not above contacting The Better Business Bureau.

Other than those things not much offends me. I have learned that being offended too much is a waste of time, because there are people like me out there who will find out what offends you and do it simply to get under your skin. Plus no one likes a whiny little bitch.
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#25940 - 06/22/09 01:25 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Okay, you are an asshole.

Rape isn't that bad.
Child molestation isn't that bad.

Are you fucking kidding me?????

You take this view because you happen to like cartoon kiddies getting fucked and raped.

I'm not going to ask on your views on real people.

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#25943 - 06/22/09 01:52 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Originally I wasn't intending to respond this but I just can't help myself, so fuck it.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Child abuse I can't stand, but people make too big a deal about child molestation.


What makes you think there is a differnece between the two?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be. Sure rape is bad, but why is it suddenly so much worse when it's a child that's harmed.


Lets see you say it is not a big deal when it happens to someone you care about. I have a feeling you would be singing a different tune then. The reason why it becomes so much "worse" when it happens to a child is because, I think, children are seen as "innocent" and to do something like that is to rob them of their innocence, to take away their chance at having a normal childhood. The idea being that an adult can cope with it better. Wheter or not that is true is debatable.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Only the most weak of people allow something like that to keep them from growing and developing as a person.


That right there is EXACTLY the kind of stupidity I was talking about in my initial post. What a ludicrous claim to make. Do you know anyone that has happened to? Do you understand the damaging psychological effects that can have on a person, especially a child? I am suprised you didn't go so far as to say only the most weak of people would allow it to happen to them.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I would say grievous bodily harm is worse. Making someone loose their sight, hearing, the ability to walk, etc. much worse that rape, you can recover from rape. The courts seem to disagree.


Even more stupidity coming from you. I would think recovery from rape or molestation would be alot worse. The psychological damage worse than any physical damage from a beat down. Perhaps you should be raped and them beaten down and raped again so you can understand what I am talking about.

I'm with Morgan on this one; you are an asshole. Now go jack off to Sailor Moon and swallow a shotgun barrel.
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#25944 - 06/22/09 01:54 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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Actually. If you recall I said I didn't like lolicon, I simply didn't support it being made illegal because I considered it equivalent to making a thought crime.

As for real people, if it's under-age then you don't touch it. Some people mature faster than others. I know 16 year old who have their own place and job. I know 18 year olds with families and a stable home life and I know 27 year olds who still go on pub crawls, don't know how to wash a dish and can wreck a bicycle when they're sober. If I remember rightly it I had an issue with a young girl who was showing an interest in me and I wasn't sure if I should just tell her straight off no, or just be friendly until she was old enough to make a mature decision because I liked her personality, we really got on well and I didn't want to upset her. I also remember when my blue name was removed that I requested topics discussed there to stay in there as they could easily be taken out of context, I even asked for the posts to be deleted at one point, but apparently that wish was ignored.

And yes, I stand by my comment. Rape isn't that bad. It's a horrible event that no-one should go though. But you know what, so's getting beaten up by a gang of thugs, so's getting threatened in a dark ally with a knife, so's getting hit by a car, so's finding out your fiancée sleeping with her boss, so's having a family member die suddenly and so's being rushed to hospital when you're kidneys are shutting down. ALL of these things have happened to me... including being sexually abused when I was 10 years old, but you know what. NONE, not one of them bloody matter. They hurt for a few days, the embarrassment and anguish may take some weeks or even months to heal, and sure, being taken advantage of like that is painful (it took me until I was 17 before I told anyone and actually come to terms with it, but I'm over it now). People who haven't been there don't know how it feels but you know what, the media have made it out to be the worst crime out there and a great many of the victims are milking it for all it's worth. Recent surveys and reports show that between 25-30% of people where abused sexually as a child, it can't be that bad or a shit load of people would be extremely traumatized. It's not that bad, it's just media spin.

So yeah, now you know my reasoning. You know what also gets me pissed of. You know what also really offends me. People making a statement like "you are an asshole", based off an opinion that has sod all to do with them and making me out to be something I'm not. I expect more from you Morgan, you've always been a good influence on the forum and your posts worthwhile. Consider someone's argument in future, perhaps it has a basis in that persons past.
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#25945 - 06/22/09 02:01 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Originally I wasn't intending to respond this but I just can't help myself, so fuck it.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Child abuse I can't stand, but people make too big a deal about child molestation.


What makes you think there is a differnece between the two?

There isn't, molestation is simply a type of abuse. It's just it's often treated as so much worse than any other type of abuse. It's not that molestation isn't bad, it's that it's not automatically so much worse than other forms of abuse.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be. Sure rape is bad, but why is it suddenly so much worse when it's a child that's harmed.


Lets see you say it is not a big deal when it happens to someone you care about. I have a feeling you would be singing a different tune then. The reason why it becomes so much "worse" when it happens to a child is because, I think, children are seen as "innocent" and to do something like that is to rob them of their innocence, to take away their chance at having a normal childhood. The idea being that an adult can cope with it better. Wheter or not that is true is debatable.

I'm already speaking from a point of experience actually, as I said in my last post.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Only the most weak of people allow something like that to keep them from growing and developing as a person.


That right there is EXACTLY the kind of stupidity I was talking about in my initial post. What a ludicrous claim to make. Do you know anyone that has happened to? Do you understand the damaging psychological effects that can have on a person, especially a child? I am suprised you didn't go so far as to say only the most weak of people would allow it to happen to them.

Is myself good enough?

I moved on. If someone else can't, if they define themselves on the one event, they are weak. As for the last statement. I KNOW that when it happens you have no control over it, I wouldn't make such a stupid assertion, but getting over it and moving on is in your control.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I would say grievous bodily harm is worse. Making someone loose their sight, hearing, the ability to walk, etc. much worse that rape, you can recover from rape. The courts seem to disagree.


Even more stupidity coming from you. I would think recovery from rape or molestation would be alot worse. The psychological damage worse than any physical damage from a beat down. Perhaps you should be raped and them beaten down and raped again so you can understand what I am talking about.

I understand only too well... perhaps you should consider that when someone has a strong opinion on something it's because they can relate closely too it.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I'm with Morgan on this one; you are an asshole. Now go jack off to Sailor Moon and swallow a shotgun barrel.

Hell, the way Morgan made me out to be I don't resent that comment. I wonder if you'll reconsider it now though?
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#25946 - 06/22/09 02:01 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Regardless of your heaping pile of rationalizations and only slightly veiled appeal for pity, you will find little sympathy for those that would have the audacity to DEFEND child abuse here.

You are quite the piece of work.
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#25947 - 06/22/09 02:04 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Ironically, I think those that would actually try to downplay child molestation offend me the most! (as per the OP)
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#25948 - 06/22/09 02:04 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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You are still an asshole.

And you know what, I do have personal experience in this matter.

It happened to me.

So you can try to clean up and explain yourself but it doesn't matter.

There is a big difference in how people react to psychological trauma. It makes some kill themselves, it makes some stronger, and some just go numb. Those acts perpartrated on a child changes them. They may "get over it", but they never forget it, and it does color how they view life.

I forget sometimes how naieve you are in regards to the outcome of actions on others.

I wish you never see the things I have.

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#25949 - 06/22/09 02:06 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Regardless of your heaping pile of rationalizations and only slightly veiled appeal for pity, you will find little sympathy for those that would have the audacity to DEFEND child abuse here.

You are quite the piece of work.


At what point did I defend it, I simply said it's blown out of proportion and made out to be worse that it really is. I consider murder, grievous bodily harm, torture etc. considerably worse, but for some reason when you ask someone what the worst crime they can imagine is they always say child molestation. I agree, it's a horrible crime. I just think there are many things worse out there.

Seems like people are too quick to lynch here, not prepared to read.
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#25950 - 06/22/09 02:13 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
You are still an asshole.

And you know what, I do have personal experience in this matter.

It happened to me.

So you can try to clean up and explain yourself but it doesn't matter.

There is a big difference in how people react to psychological trauma. It makes some kill themselves, it makes some stronger, and some just go numb. Those acts perpartrated on a child changes them. They may "get over it", but they never forget it, and it does color how they view life.

I forget sometimes how naieve you are in regards to the outcome of actions on others.

I wish you never see the things I have.

Morgan


OK... perhaps we should all take a step back here.

I will re-examine my ideas on the subject and attempt to consider how others react to the situation. However, I want to remind people. I have stated on many occasions, I have difficulty seeing things from other perspectives, especially emotionally. I am after all autistic although mildly and higher functioning, it still plays a part in my personality.

I am willing to admit that perhaps in this case what I said was a little too subjective and an extreme opinion without justification making it seem unfounded and blinked to anyone other than myself. However I expect the same in return. People have gone too far here. Morgan, you crossed a line with what was discussed and you did it intentionally, and people where far too quick to demonise me. This is after all a "What offends you?" topic, the answers are not expected to be politically correct or objectively considered, they're personal and emotional and people didn't consider that when they decided I was such an asshole.
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#25951 - 06/22/09 02:20 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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If you can't see things from the perspective of others then don't expect them to extend you that courtesy.

You claimed to be offended that people are offended by rape/molestation. As a result you offended people by being offended that they are offended. Do you follow?

Claiming to be autistic may have gotten you out of dodge-ball during PE in school but you will find no sympathy here, at least not from me.
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#25952 - 06/22/09 02:22 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I am glad that you are going to think about things and re-examine your choices.

Your words in quotes:
"People making a statement like "you are an asshole", based off an opinion that has sod all to do with them and making me out to be something I'm not. I expect more from you Morgan, you've always been a good influence on the forum and your posts worthwhile. Consider someone's argument in future, perhaps it has a basis in that persons past."
then
"Morgan, you crossed a line with what was discussed and you did it intentionally, and people where far too quick to demonise me."

You brought up your past, I brought up mine. Big Fucking Deal. I brought up a counter argument to your statement based on fact and personal experience.

Yes, this is a "What offends you?" topic, and simply your thoughts and previous outlook on the subject matter offend me.
Apparently, your views on this matter also offend others.

End of story, if you are not able to understand that your personal views will be questioned, then maybe you should not have posted them.

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#25954 - 06/22/09 04:24 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I know for a fact people thought of things they didn't write in my dying thread for fear of offending me.


Actually that is wrong, I mean out of respect that they might offend me, not fear that they might. Thought I'd correct that word as it does change the meaning completely.

Other than that, well TC, the reason that we are not at each others throats is because I have grown in the last year. I never said I liked you any more or less, but I have become less confrontational within myself. Can see how emotionally I used to evaluate the boards and made the changes I feel I needed to make to continue to grow and learn from here. It's actually nothing to do with you. *wink*

But you are still taking everything so personaly that I think very little has changed on your end. Whether it is because of your autism, or because you are alot more emotional than you would like to be is a moot point.

No one jumped on any bandwagons, least of all Morgan. You have actually been hand fed a lesson. Wonder if you even get that yet?

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#25956 - 06/22/09 06:39 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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What offends me most...
direct hypocrisy, abuse, obvious stupidity, back-stabbing and dishonour.
Most of the times when offended I deal swiftly and hard with the person/source.
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#25958 - 06/22/09 07:43 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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I get offended when people invade my personal space in public, a prime example being when I'm waiting in a queue somewhere,and there is a stranger standing about two inches away from me, enveloping me in their unfamiliar body odour and stenchy breath.

Spitting in public is another pet peeve of mine, as is being blanketed lightly in an over-enthusiastic story teller's saliva,(Say it, don't spray it!)

Random people coming over for a prolonged visit without a prior phone call is offensive to me, especially when I've had a busy day...

Blatant displays of stupidity,deliberately enforced ignorance on a grand scale and sadistic attacks on innocents who don't know any better or are too weak to fight back I find extremely offensive - child abuse/molestation, and the torture of animals being prime examples of the innocents I mentioned above.

Anyone who condones or excuses abusing kids, sexually or otherwise are the type of vermin that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire - this is something I find to be a prime example of "What offends me the most"


Edited by spiderbreeder (06/22/09 07:47 AM)
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#25961 - 06/22/09 08:44 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: spiderbreeder]
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I tend not to be offended easily by anything that doesn't affect me personally. There's always exceptions to this though and one of the things that really sickens me is when people try to be light hearted about topics such as the Columbine Shootings or the murder of Sophie Lancaster. It's not the fact that people are being light hearted about murder as a generic topic that offends me (I have a relatively sick sense of humour anyway), it's the fact that they're making fun of ACTUAL murders and invariably mocking the people who were slain and everybody else who had been destroyed by their deaths.
Joke's about Sophie Lancaster's murder in particular make me angry, since I have lived all my life amongst "chav" culture and I think that the murder of this girl shows the extreme violence and abuse these people show to others for nothing more than dress sense or music taste. If you don't know about the murder, information is available on Wikipedia. I wouldn't normally recommend Wikipedia as a source of information, but this article seems pretty accurate.

Tornadocreator: I honestly tried to understand your views on rape and child abuse, but I really can't get my head round it. As others have rightly said, this kind of event affects people in different ways and it almost always leaves some serious mental scars. Sexual abuse of anybody can cause serious emotional problems (Chronic Depression, PTSD and Manic Depression being some of the most common) that will often remain with a person for a significant portion of their life, for these reasons I'd be inclined to consider sexual abuse to be a form of torture and most definitely a "big deal".

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#25963 - 06/22/09 09:09 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Saligia]
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*thinks hard*

I can't think of anything that really offends me. Whatever happens in my environment that does not directly affect me I can just laugh at or ignore; whatever happens right in my face provides a challenge, and keeps me from getting bored. (Hm, that sorta rhymes.)

The last time another person attempted to give direct offense to me, it was a drunk biker dude in a bar where I was hanging out. He was calling me names, etc. (He was blaming me because a friend of his got into a wreck--long story.) Anyway, he definitely WANTED to offend/scare me.

I enjoyed it though, because it gave me an opportunity for revenge. A friend of mine and I went to his house the next day and poured paint stripper all over his bike. Good times!

Taking offense to events on one's periphery in my opinion is a waste of energy. Taking offense to events that potentially directly affect one is also a waste of energy, as one's outrage at the offense will often delay formulation of a strategy.

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#25964 - 06/22/09 09:24 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Scarlett156]
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This:
 Quote:
I enjoyed it though, because it gave me an opportunity for revenge. A friend of mine and I went to his house the next day and poured paint stripper all over his bike. Good times!

is in direct opposition to
 Quote:
I can't think of anything that really offends me.

Saying you want to get "revenge" implies you have been offended and want to take the person back..
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#25968 - 06/22/09 11:18 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Saligia]
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 Originally Posted By: Saligia
Tornadocreator: I honestly tried to understand your views on rape and child abuse, but I really can't get my head round it. As others have rightly said, this kind of event affects people in different ways and it almost always leaves some serious mental scars. Sexual abuse of anybody can cause serious emotional problems (Chronic Depression, PTSD and Manic Depression being some of the most common) that will often remain with a person for a significant portion of their life, for these reasons I'd be inclined to consider sexual abuse to be a form of torture and most definitely a "big deal".


I can see your point, if it has such definite mental effects fine. Perhaps my view has been altered by the event and the apparent trauma I may have experienced itself giving me such a view, but I can't see it myself. I see it as an event in my life, it happened and it made me who I am. It toughened my skin as it where. I know a few others who have spoken to me about it happening to them an it's helped them come to terms with it and move on. They agree with me that it's not a big deal, it's a bad event but once you accept it and move on it's over, it can't hurt you any more. Maybe I just don't take on the effects of mental trauma. Saying that, for someone who can't move on I can see why it would be torture, but I stand by my original statement, someone who can't move on must be someone with a weak personality and a low sense of willpower.
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#25980 - 06/22/09 06:11 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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You don't have to come out and say "there's nothing wrong with child molestation" to defend it. "Child molestation isn't that big of a deal"? I would imagine being the victim of rape period is tramautizing enough, but to a small child who's mind is still developing? It would do more psychological damage to a child than it would an adult. That's why it offends and enrages most people. Are you that much of a prick that you're going to stand by what you said and not admit you were just being an asshole?

Or maybe you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
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#25981 - 06/22/09 06:16 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I would have to say the thing that offends me the most (like already brought up) would be the crimes commited against children.

But aside from these crimes I would say it is a pet peeve that gets me the most, and that would have to be ignorant/stupid people who act like they know everything about everything and when brought up with a logical arguement to why they are wrong they get defensive and refuse to look at logic and reason. So I guess it would be peoples narrow mindedness.
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#25982 - 06/22/09 06:20 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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i've learned to deal with most of the stuff that annoys me.

what really gets to me is when someone is shouting abuse at you who happens to be black or in a wheelchair ect. and then you say something to them and they start calling you racsist and so on and so forth for sticking up for yourself!

Also people who get animals and then not look after them. i have always wanted a dog and there is this guy next door to me who has had 3 dogs, and he hasnt looked after any of them. And the same goes to people who have children, but i guess theres alot of pressure in not having a abortion.

And rape!!!
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#25989 - 06/22/09 08:00 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Mike]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike
You don't have to come out and say "there's nothing wrong with child molestation" to defend it. "Child molestation isn't that big of a deal"? I would imagine being the victim of rape period is tramautizing enough, but to a small child who's mind is still developing? It would do more psychological damage to a child than it would an adult. That's why it offends and enrages most people. Are you that much of a prick that you're going to stand by what you said and not admit you were just being an asshole?

Or maybe you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.


You're making a lot of assumptions there.

First of all, you are assuming calling something "no big deal" is defending it. If I say a broken arm is "no big deal" it's because I don't consider it something to worry about, it will heal and everything will be fine. That doesn't mean it's good. I've broken my arm, it fucking hurts. I don't want to do it, it is still however no big deal. That doesn't mean I'm advocating going out and breaking peoples arms for the jollies. You're twisting things because you want to be angry at me because your enraged at my opinion. It's much easier to be angry at me if my argument is unreasonable, the thing is it's not. Badly put across, inconsiderate of peoples emotional responses and without finesse, sure, but unreasonable no.

Secondly, you're assuming rape itself is inherently traumatising and will leave an permanent mental scar. It's not. It may well leave some people traumatised, but so could a particularly violent beating or watching one of your parents die suddenly and having no way of saving them. These things happen. Life isn't always a bed of roses, but you deal with things and you move on.

Third, you assume that it's more traumatising for a child than an adult. I disagree. Obviously I can only judge based on my self, but I would assess that being raped at my current age would be something I would have extreme difficulty dealing with, as a child however, looking back I am able to understand how it happened, forgive myself for it happening, rationalise why I couldn't stop it etc. Perhaps it's just a matter of "time heals everything" but I still think children are less fragile than people make out. Rape however is still nasty, I just don't think child molestation is WORSE than raping an adult, this is the ONLY claim I'm making.

Forth, you and everyone else is failing to notice my complaint is less about child abuse of any kind and more about popular response and media spin. The media treat child abuse as the worst crime ever and people go along with it. They can put mass murderers in a standard prison and he'll be relatively safe, but put a child molester in that same prison and he'll be attacked by people who consider him more evil than themselves, even other rapists, even though they're all criminals. Now surely people can see what my original complaint was.

And lastly, you're assuming we need to reach a consensus or compromise. We don't, this is asking opinion. We could just agree to disagree.

I said I would reassess what I think. I have. All I have concluded is my point was badly explained. I also concluded that the people arguing against me are over-emotional and quick to carry on the arguments with ad hominem en nauseum. Calling me a prick or an asshole won't change the argument. Don't like my opinion, tuff shit, I may not like yours either, deal with it. That's the nature of debate. I'm not trying to insult people, I'm not trying to intimidate or provoke anyone, and I'm not trying to force my opinion on you, it is after all just an opinion. I am however going to speak my mind and I won't be bullied out of my views. If you don't want extreme opinions don't read a topic that is asking specifically for opinions on topics that will be delicate in nature.

The only thing I'm grateful for is I'm not on the average forum, the way you guys reacted I'd have had bloody death threats on the average general discussion forum, and I'd probably have been banned, just for voicing an opinion.

Now, if anyone wants to discuss my views, come up with a counter argument, ask questions and discuss/debate the issue properly I welcome it, but if it's going to be more insults and claims that I'm "defending child molestation" I'd take it as a kindness if people didn't bother to reply.
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#25990 - 06/22/09 08:05 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Emily]
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 Originally Posted By: Emily
i've learned to deal with most of the stuff that annoys me.

what really gets to me is when someone is shouting abuse at you who happens to be black or in a wheelchair ect. and then you say something to them and they start calling you racsist and so on and so forth for sticking up for yourself!


I can't stand that, so often to people claim racist, sexist, homophobia (when they really mean hetrosexism but it doesn't matter). It seems as though the only people that can be critically observed in society now are white straight middle-class men. It's political correctness gone mad, couldn't agree with you more Emily.
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#25993 - 06/22/09 08:56 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Meh. The very fact that you chose child molestation so single out as something that bothers you when people take seriously is very telling, and very creepy. The fact that you continue to defend that position is even more creepy.

Just give it up, dude.
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#25995 - 06/22/09 09:15 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I didn't choose the subject matter, it just came up. If you really find my position so creepy maybe you need to look a little inward and wonder why.
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#25998 - 06/22/09 09:23 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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It didn't come up. Zeph mentioned that child molesting pisses her off (as it does most people), and you come rolling in defending it with a 3000 word tirade. You think I need to look inward because child molesting, and it's advocates creep me out?

Seriously dude, there is something wrong with you. Go get a job.
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#25999 - 06/22/09 09:39 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I'm not assuming anything. Saying rape isn't that bad and that child molestation is no big deal is just retarded...Yes you're correct that being beaten and what not is bad too, it all has to do with how you handle it. Stress in any form effects people differently, but this particular event has been known in most instances to cause severe psychological damage, especially in children who are still developing emotionally.

You're position on this is quite ignorant, so I'm just going to ignore it. Just because you feel you can handle whatever horrible events you have to doesn't mean that it's not a big deal to others.

Seriously, you're just being an asshole at this point.
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#26000 - 06/22/09 10:30 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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TC, seriously, dude, I think you need to think more about this subject and not just from your own limited standpoint. You said you would reelvaluate your thoughts, please do so.

BUT instead you write:
"Secondly, you're assuming rape itself is inherently traumatising and will leave an permanent mental scar..."
THEN
"I just don't think child molestation is WORSE than raping an adult, this is the ONLY claim I'm making..."
THEN
"The media treat child abuse as the worst crime ever and people go along with it."

Of course Rape leaves a mental scar, it is a tramuatising event. Rape is not consentual sex. The rape of a child is not a consentual act. Babies, 3 year old kids, etc. can not give consent. Rape is usally about power and control, its not always about getting a nut off. I can not understand how you do not see a difference between raping a 3 year old kid and raping a 55 year old woman.

Perhaphs you have a bias against the media? In this case, really you should examine your views. Child molesters and rapists are scum on the jail totem pole because most people have a sister or a child and would kill anyone who would hurt them.

Maybe you are just dense, and getting creepier with each of your responses. I think you should have quit when you were ahead, 2 pages ago.

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#26004 - 06/22/09 10:57 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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Right. I'm getting fed up of this now. Everyone seems to have the same unsubstantiated point. Let's deal with this one like a proper debate. Clearly the "I'm just stating my opinion" line didn't get through. Let's go though the claims people are assuming.

1. Child molestation causes psychological trauma that is notably more severe than the trauma felt by someone who is maimed, raped as an adult, observing a family tragedy etc.

Provide some evidence of this. This is the basis of everyones argument. Provide some objective studies that show that child molestation is considerably worse than other forms of childhood trauma and any form of adult trauma.

"Severe psychological trauma", sounds like something we'd have studied, you know, scientifically.

I have thought a lot about this subject. I've thought deeply about it. I have a very definite perspective on the subject and it's quite delicate. People are easily upset and outraged about it, but you know what. I'm bloody right about this one. I don't care if people think I'm an asshole or if they think I'm "creepy", that's your problem to deal with. I got e-lynched for what I wrote and I caved, I said how I may have been a little too hasty and extreme it what I said but you know what I wasn't. I've just read back what I said on the subject. Here it is.

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As for Zephyr's point. Child abuse I can't stand, but people make too big a deal about child molestation. It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be. Sure rape is bad, but why is it suddenly so much worse when it's a child that's harmed. I've had some fairly bad things happen to me in the past, but honestly, a little child molestation is never going to be in the top five worst. Only the most weak of people allow something like that to keep them from growing and developing as a person. If anything looking back, as a child being abused, you can at least console yourself in the knowledge that you where young, weak, too impressionable, and unable to reasonably defend yourself. As an adult you can't. Maybe you could have screamed at the right time. Maybe you could have fought back. Maybe you could have done something to stop it. Rape is a nasty crime but it's not as bad as people make out, and child molestation is honestly blown out of proportion. I would say grievous bodily harm is worse. Making someone loose their sight, hearing, the ability to walk, etc. much worse that rape, you can recover from rape. The courts seem to disagree.


And this is how I'd change it if I was to go back.
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As for Zephyr's point. Child abuse I can't stand, but people make too big a deal about child abuse, especially molestation. It's not as big as it's made out to be especially by the media. Sure rape is bad, but why is it suddenly so much worse when it's a child that's harmed. I've had some fairly bad things happen to me in the past, but honestly, a little child molestation is never going to be in the top five worst. Only the most weak of people allow something like that to keep them from growing and developing as a person. If anything looking back, as a child being abused, you can at least console yourself in the knowledge that you where young, weak, too impressionable, and unable to reasonably defend yourself. As an adult you can't. Maybe you could have screamed at the right time. Maybe you could have fought back. Maybe you could have done something to stop it. Rape is a nasty crime but it's not as bad as people make out, and child molestation is honestly blown out of proportion. I would say grievous bodily harm is worse. Making someone loose their sight, hearing, the ability to walk, etc. much worse that rape, you can recover from rape. The courts seem to disagree though, often giving much worse sentences for rape than GBH, I think it should be the other way around.


NOT FUCKING ONCE did I support child molestation, claim it was a good thing, claim it wasn't a bad thing, or in any way defend it. I can't stand it, I went through it for fuck sake, why would I defend it? All I'm doing is looking at it objectively.

If you're all so pig-ignorant that you can't admit that you're all being judgemental and indignant then you're opinions are worth nothing to me. I expect such posts of one or two people but Morgan and Dan, you're wearing blue, I expect a certain amount of quality from your posts, not name calling. I would like to say this is the last I'll say on the matter, but so people know, I have considered this carefully, and I stand by my original statement, in its entirety. What can I say, I don't take well to brow-beating and herd conformity was never something I was known for. Now can we all please find something else to talk about.
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#26006 - 06/22/09 11:08 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Nope, we cant.

Your opinion is what I find offensive.

1. If you cant understand the difference, then no amount of medical paperwork, evidence, shit shoved in your face is going to make a difference.

Your personal experiences are the basis of your opinions, as are mine. We discussed this on page 1.

Whatever TC, I think you just need to learn and grow more. I think you need to see that sometimes you hamper yourself, maybe blame your autism for your lack of understanding issues outside yourself?

You missed the whole point of what I said earlier.

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#26011 - 06/23/09 12:26 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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NOT FUCKING ONCE did I support child molestation, claim it was a good thing, claim it wasn't a bad thing, or in any way defend it. I can't stand it, I went through it for fuck sake, why would I defend it? All I'm doing is looking at it objectively.


Actually you have claimed that
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be.


And that my friend is claiming it wasn't a bad thing to everyone here but you. So I'm sorry but you still don't get it.

You were demoted from blue for reasons of Xear's own. You got a week long ban and then we don't see you again for a year and you're still trying to pick the same fight? You are trolling?

Anyway, who says you've gotten over it anyway. I see a young man, who is still very much under the grips of the hurt done to him by sexual abuse, that is trying to be all tough about something he shouldn't be. Get it?????? Yet???????????

Zeph
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#26012 - 06/23/09 01:12 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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Seriously guys, enough of the mud-slinging and ad hominems, or this thread will be locked.

People are unlikely to agree on such a hot-button issue as this, but an inability to debate on a civil footing without resorting to childish name-calling and every logical fallacy in the book is not what I would consider a virtue by any standards, and only weakens your own position.

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#26013 - 06/23/09 01:24 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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what offends me the most? people who claim to be great artists, but produce mindless, repetitive drivel- sell-outs. people in SUVs who wear birkenstocks, or have "think green" bumper stickers. men who tell me i'm not feminine when i swear or crack my knuckles. onions. onions deeply offend me. people leaving their animals behind in emergencies. and i am extremely offended when people call my small dog a rat.

tc, at the risk of offending- autism impairs the development of social interaction and communication, especially in the realm of emotions. maybe in the long run this has helped you "get over" your own abuse. alternately, maybe you haven't dealt with it at all, or you're so scarred and anti-social you've been touted autistic. whatever your personal situation, what really offends me is your claim that child molestation and rape are not "a big deal", and that people who are traumatized are weak.
if anything, you should know better, not those in blue. this is overtly offensive to anyone who has been abused as a child or otherwise, and anyone who is beloved of the abused.
"a little child molestation is never going to be in the top five worst." wow.



Edited by miriam (06/23/09 01:31 AM)
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#26029 - 06/23/09 07:58 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
 Quote:
NOT FUCKING ONCE did I support child molestation, claim it was a good thing, claim it wasn't a bad thing, or in any way defend it. I can't stand it, I went through it for fuck sake, why would I defend it? All I'm doing is looking at it objectively.


Actually you have claimed that
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It's not a big deal, or at least not as big as it's made out to be.


And that my friend is claiming it wasn't a bad thing to everyone here but you. So I'm sorry but you still don't get it.


Well that's not how it was intended to be taken.

 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
You were demoted from blue for reasons of Xear's own. You got a week long ban and then we don't see you again for a year and you're still trying to pick the same fight? You are trolling?

Xear's forum, xear's choice. Honestly I can't even remember why I lost the blue name now, it doesn't matter, it was over a year ago, it's done and dusted.

 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Anyway, who says you've gotten over it anyway. I see a young man, who is still very much under the grips of the hurt done to him by sexual abuse, that is trying to be all tough about something he shouldn't be. Get it?????? Yet???????????

Zeph


This is the only argument so far that I can accept as reasonable. I don't believe I am traumatised but it's entirely possible, the subject under study can't objectively study itself after all. If that's the case then fine.

Honestly we're not really going to resolve this issue like Meq said. I'm happy to call it a difference of opinion and leave it at that. It's not worth falling out over.
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#26031 - 06/23/09 08:03 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: miriam]
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 Originally Posted By: miriam
tc, at the risk of offending- autism impairs the development of social interaction and communication, especially in the realm of emotions. maybe in the long run this has helped you "get over" your own abuse. alternately, maybe you haven't dealt with it at all, or you're so scarred and anti-social you've been touted autistic. whatever your personal situation, what really offends me is your claim that child molestation and rape are not "a big deal", and that people who are traumatized are weak.
if anything, you should know better, not those in blue. this is overtly offensive to anyone who has been abused as a child or otherwise, and anyone who is beloved of the abused.
"a little child molestation is never going to be in the top five worst." wow.

Perhaps my own experiences have made me numb to the subject at hand, it's entirely reasonable. I don't mind people making such claims, and it's possible that my social issues are caused by the trauma of the event, after all I wasn't diagnosed till I was 12. That said it should be fairly easy for trained professionals to identify Autism. I understand my opinion may well be offensive to some, I don't expect everyone to like my opinion, I just feel the personal insults are going too far that's all. But like I said in my last post, Meq is right the subject isn't likely to be resolved, I'm happy to discuss like this when people are reasonable, but I don't want to cause tension on the forum, so I'll leave it at that unless someone has anything specific to add.
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#26116 - 06/24/09 08:54 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I don't get offended by anything but if anyone is rude or disrespects elderly people it really gets under my skin.
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#26117 - 06/24/09 10:50 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Quote:
Clearly the "I'm just stating my opinion" line didn't get through. Let's go though the claims people are assuming.


I would think someone who's been here as long as you would realize that once you state your opinion on this forum you should EXPECT it to be challenged, and if it offends others or pisses them off you should also expect to get your head ripped off. This is a very touchy subject, and when the topic of a post is "what offends you the most" and you try to downplay what apparently offends a lot of people on here, it doesn't matter if you support rape or are a rapist yourself, your a jackass who said child molestation is no big deal because you think having a dick shoved up your ass as a kid wouldn't have made you any more fucked up than you are now having experienced whatever in your life.

Get a fucking clue.
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#26135 - 06/24/09 04:30 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Mike]
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WTF?! Are you serious Tornado Creator?! I'm gone for like a year and I come back to this? Seriously, ANYTHING that happens to kids fucks me up! I almost shed tears every time I hear about a kid getting hurt. Some adult gets fucked, or fucked up I could honestly care less as long as it's not a friend or family member of mine. I could not handle the thought of anything happening to my little buddy Henry \:\( Just pondering this idea is messing me up...

Things that offend me are elitist assholes, promiscuous women, un-educated people that "think" they know what they're talking about, any kind of child abuse, Pollitical Correctness, Politricks, little girls wearing booty shorts and belly tops, underage mothers, substance abuse, pomposity, etc... I could literally go on for days.

WTF TC?!

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#26154 - 06/24/09 10:11 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ]
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Well, tc has created somewhat of a "tornado" here, hasn't he?

And like all inherent shit-stirrers, he's probably relishing the outrage being displayed by everyone here.

He's freely admitted that he enjoys a good "debate" , and he'll just keep stoking the fire while we continue to provide him with the fuel.

It's plain to see somebody's getting their rocks off here, see the game for what it is....
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#26156 - 06/24/09 10:26 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: spiderbreeder]
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It's amazing how many people here are so 'morally outraged'. You guys are supposed to be fucking Satanists, it's the only religion in the world where selfish behaviour is a damn virtue. I'd get less shit from religious people than I've got here, it's becoming comical.

Seriously though, my stance on the subject is perfectly reasonable, I've discussed it in chat rooms (including the one here), and even with friends and family here. Most people I discuss it with seem to, not necessarily agree with me, but agree that my point are reasonable and can understand where I'm coming from. Clearly you guys are just a bit fucked up, because you clearly don't get it.
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#26157 - 06/24/09 10:28 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Whatever....

My last comments on the first page still holds true.


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#26160 - 06/24/09 10:40 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Of course we are outraged. We are people first and Satanists second. Most people would agree that your statements are outrageous.

Not to mention the whole "do not harm children" rule. Which is so much a rule as just common courtesy. Anyone who would try to defend or down play any kind of harming a child, be it sexual or otherwise, I will hold absolute contempt for that person.

I don't care how many people have been able to see where you were coming from. I wouldn't give a shit if LaVey himself rose from the fucking grave just to say that it is now ok to harm kids and fall over dead again; I would still see your opinion as bullshit.

Clearly you are bit fucked up because you clearly don't get it. Clearly.
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#26161 - 06/24/09 10:43 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Of course you'd get less shit from "religious people"

That bunch have spawned some of the most prolific rock-spiders known to society.

You think your stance on this is perfectly reasonable, and anyone who doesn't "think" like you on this one is just "a bit fucked up, because they clearly don't get it"

Well, just let it go then tc, because if you take the time to read back over this thread, anyone with half a brain would come to the conclusion that nobody contributing to this is going meet with you half way on this.

Oh yeah, and that's "Ms Fucking Satanist" to you...
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#26168 - 06/24/09 11:53 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Of course we are outraged. We are people first and Satanists second. Most people would agree that your statements are outrageous.

Not to mention the whole "do not harm children" rule. Which is so much a rule as just common courtesy. Anyone who would try to defend or down play any kind of harming a child, be it sexual or otherwise, I will hold absolute contempt for that person.

I don't care how many people have been able to see where you were coming from. I wouldn't give a shit if LaVey himself rose from the fucking grave just to say that it is now ok to harm kids and fall over dead again; I would still see your opinion as bullshit.

Clearly you are bit fucked up because you clearly don't get it. Clearly.


You don't even know what my opinion is, you're too busy being angry. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. I would be willing to bet money that you couldn't accurately describe my position on this argument... 5p sound good to you?
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#26169 - 06/24/09 11:59 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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So far I have gathered that your opinions is that "it is not a big deal" and "only a weak willed person would allow it to affect them".

I want my winnings by the close of the next business day.
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#26170 - 06/25/09 12:15 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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your avatar cracks me up dude! It's like Richard Charlie Ramirez Manson! Except Richard has it tatted on his palm.
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#26221 - 06/25/09 08:54 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ]
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I am normally easy going. Racist jokes, sexist jokes, gay jokes, nothing really bothers me. My problem is with people who have a problem with subversive humour. Honestly, most of these "hot button" jokes are made simply to get a rise out of people. One needs to be smart enough to realize that, it's only a joke. It's people that get offended by the jokes that, well, don't necessarily offend me, but cause me to shake my head and go tsk tsk.
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#26414 - 06/29/09 04:56 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Of course we are outraged. We are people first and Satanists second. Most people would agree that your statements are outrageous.

Mind you that there is no "we" and you should speak to yourself since I don't really fucking care about his opinion in regards to child abuse. It's a taboo, I agree with that, but as far as I know NONE of you was in the situation TC was. The only mistake he made is by generalizing it. Your fault was to bring in own subjective feelings. Playing both sides against each other is endless and hopeless. Fuck it.. really fuck it...
As long as the abuse isn't taking place with relations with me I don't care.

Does it mean I can't judge the act? No, I can; but the punishment to the abuser is best chosen by those who are in direct relation to the victim. I simply refuse as an outsider to give a "proper" punishment to the abuser. (With which I mean the victim get's it payback..). There is a difference between "judging" and "judgement in personal envolvement". And the best kind of judgement is the latter one (but that's just my opinion...)


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#27473 - 07/25/09 01:22 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to condone, promote, sanction or endorse the sexual abuse of children.

Not in anyway meaning to pour fuel over this still-smouldering heap, but a similar furor on a much larger scale ensued in the scientific community when Rind et al. published a meta-analysis in 1998 calling into question "assumed properties of child sexual abuse".
Wikipedia article

In what was a sad day for rational enquiry, this study was latched upon by the vilified NAMBLA as allegedly providing support for their views, and provoked an explosive political backlash leading to the original study being condemned by the US Congress. It was a notable, perhaps even unique example of political intrusion into scientific enquiry.

One article critical of the original study called for, and I quote, "scientific terminology that reflects rather than contradicts consensual [i.e. majority] public morality."
Sorry, but I do not consider that good scientific practice even in the social sciences - although, to borrow a controversial phrase, it's a prime example of 'houseniggery' hard at work.

The original study was of course by no means conclusive, from a scientific point of view more research is very much needed. Due to political and societal pressures however, researchers are unlikely to continue this line of enquiry without fearing for their lives.

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#27476 - 07/25/09 02:03 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Meq]
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Sexual molestation is bad. Very bad. Most of us agree.

However, I do believe that lasting physical maiming is worse. With the first one, a person has a chance of dealing with, and in time getting over. Not so with being maimed.

I was never sexually, or physically abused, but was psychologically (verbally) beaten down by a piece of shit step father, on a daily basis, from the age of 8, until the age of 13. At which time, he did me a great favor, and suddenly and without warning, dropped dead.
For some reason, I seem to have had a very good, and natural coping mechanism, for negative situations back then. Since he never laid a hand on me, but only verbally abused me, I was able to, in time, tune him out, as if he wasn’t even there.

It was a grand ‘ol time, for a few years back then. Picked on and harassed by kids in school, and constantly called such things as a “No good, rotten piece of shit kid,” at home. (He only did that while my mother wasn’t around, and I never told her..not even to this day...in order to protect her).

In my case, the old saying that “What doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger,” is a true one. I believe that all the negative shit of those early years, made me a much stronger person, psychologically, then the average person. The only lasting negative side affects, is occasionally a bit of a sad feeling, when I see happy and innocent kids. Although, I’m glad to see that they are happy, I resent that I did not have that when I was their age.

I don’t know. Maybe I was more deeply affected, then I am aware. Although I really don’t think so.

But you know what. Fuck it. We all have some burdens in life, some are inconvenient, and some are down right horrible. The main thing is to be able to let go of all the shit baggage, when that baggage is no longer around.

I do believe that at times, victims of abuse (of any kind) hold on to the negativity for much longer then they truly need to. Sometimes they might get addicted to the attention they get, and perhaps other times, they feel that they are punishing the world for what happened to them, by being miserable, without realizing it that even after the abuser is long out of the picture, they are still allowing themselves to be abused. However, often the only one still abusing them, is themselves.
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#27523 - 07/26/09 07:44 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Asmedious]
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For further discussion on the controversial Rind et al. study, I would recommend the following article:
Politically Incorrect - Scientifically Correct

To me this confirms an observation I've long had: Truth is often socially unacceptable.

And yet far from promoting harm to children (as many condemning such studies rashly assume), rationally reassessing the issue can help survivors or abuse (not 'victims', a disempowering label this article has a point criticising) by suggesting what psychological interventions are likely to be helpful and in what cases, and which are likely to lead to further harm (which has undoubtedly been the case for many abuse survivors).

If a person reports few negative emotional consequences after being molested as a child, to assume they must be in denial and repressing real harm, and forcing them to undergo psychoanalysis to revisit the event in a negative light, is likely to do more harm than good.

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I do believe that at times, victims of abuse (of any kind) hold on to the negativity for much longer then they truly need to. Sometimes they might get addicted to the attention they get, and perhaps other times, they feel that they are punishing the world for what happened to them, by being miserable, without realizing it that even after the abuser is long out of the picture, they are still allowing themselves to be abused. However, often the only one still abusing them, is themselves.

While some may display more personal resilience than others, for many their past traumas turn out to be a festering wound and they cling to a "victim" mentality for long after is necessary or helpful, constantly mentally reliving the experiences and retraumatizing themselves many years after the original event.

Such individuals are in my view not necessarily "weak" but rather in need of cognitive restructuring, whether by CBT (Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy) or other methods, to keep their past demons from continually haunting them in the present. That can only be done by working with thoughts and emotions present in the here and now. The past is gone; the locus of control is in the present.

Others do not fall into this trap of keeping the trauma alive, but take the proactive approach and see themselves as a survivor, allowing their psychological wounds to in time become at most a fading blemish. "I was a victim" is very different to "I am a victim".

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#72390 - 11/02/12 06:15 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Meq]
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I'm aware of opening a can of worms by trying to revitalize this topic. Years have passed and things (personalities) have changed so perhaps it's time to give it another go.

 Originally Posted By: meq
While some may display more personal resilience than others, for many their past traumas turn out to be a festering wound and they cling to a "victim" mentality for long after is necessary or helpful, constantly mentally reliving the experiences and retraumatizing themselves many years after the original event.

Such individuals are in my view not necessarily "weak" but rather in need of cognitive restructuring, whether by CBT (Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy) or other methods, to keep their past demons from continually haunting them in the present. That can only be done by working with thoughts and emotions present in the here and now. The past is gone; the locus of control is in the present.

Others do not fall into this trap of keeping the trauma alive, but take the proactive approach and see themselves as a survivor, allowing their psychological wounds to in time become at most a fading blemish. "I was a victim" is very different to "I am a victim".


And go..
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#72392 - 11/02/12 07:10 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Dimitri]
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Meq hits the nail.

The human psyche is often far more resilient and capable of overcoming than is often assumed when one looks thru the lenses of the trauma-victim psychological cult that passes of as 'therapy' in many cases.

I'm educated as a psychologist and I have worked as one for the last five years. I have often been surprised at the counterproductive angle employed by many that attempts to deal with trauma. In many cases, trauma is cultivated and bred rather than dealt with. Sometimes, trauma is even created where none is initially present.

One typical case I dealt with, was a girl that had been sexually abused by her father, and despite the fact that she seemed to have dealt with it and now was a well-functional teen/adult, she eventually became traumatized as well-meaning therapists tried to uncover the 'supressed' and 'hidden' trauma that she harbored. From beeing a productive and functional student she became a traumatized victim dependent on government welfare.

Fact is: experiences are moulded not only by the experience itself, but by the perception that filters it. While rape and abuse have the potency to scar an individual, and in many cases do, the message that someone is broken and destroyed seldom helps the victim to cope and overcome.
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#72446 - 11/03/12 12:49 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Gattamelata]
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Well I'm gettin late on this one. I'm not getting into what you all have been going on about because it's been on almost that one subject. I personally cannot stand the fact that as far as this website goes, there are several people who feel they are far superior than others. No mutual respect for each other what so ever. I was told lastnight that I have no respect here because I make no contributions. I am not here to gain respect from anyone. It's a website, and my life doesn't revolve around arguing round and round over what is the right way and what isn't. The only reason I joined this site years ago was to make some friends, not have intellectual stand-offs on subjects that I have really no interests in personally. Why do people have to basically be assholes against others that are here because we all have some similar foundations of how we live our lives? And as far as contributions to the site, I've asked the founder several different times if he would take some $$$ for site upkeep and was told it wasn't necessary. I'm only going to try to help to a point and then I don't give a fuck. So in general I'd say to answer the topic question "What offends you the most?" Ignorant people who enjoy pissing others off because the only power they have is a computer for conversation and no social life skills.
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#72454 - 11/03/12 01:25 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Lucifershal0]
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I personally cannot stand the fact that as far as this website goes, there are several people who feel they are far superior than others



If it bothers you so much, you have several options. You can leave, you can ignore posts by those people, or best of all you are free to engage them in discussion and bring their ego down a few notches if you think that can prove that their self inflated ego is not deserved. As long as you stick to attacking their ideas and not making personal childish attacks (name calling), you are good to go.

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No mutual respect for each other what so ever.


This is totally wrong. There is a Hell of a lot of respect around here between many members, even those that at times seem to be at each others throats. However, in this place respect is earned and never guaranteed, and it can also be lost.
This place is not for the overly sensitive and easily butt hurt types, such as the people you will often encounter all over the world who demand respect and believe that demanding it, or using threats to get it is the same as deserving it.

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I am not here to gain respect from anyone


Then why the fuck are you complaining about not getting it?

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The only reason I joined this site years ago was to make some friends, not have intellectual stand-offs on subjects that I have really no interests in personally


First, no one is stopping you from making friends. We can't force members to be friendly with you, just as we can't force them to have respect for you. Friendship and respect both need to be earned if one wishes it to be sincere.

Second, this site is what it is, and it will not change simply because you joined it for reasons other then what it is intended for.

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And as far as contributions to the site, I've asked the founder several different times if he would take some $$$ for site upkeep and was told it wasn't necessary.


Why ask several times, if you already got a definite answer the first time, and if you are as displeased with the site as you appear to be, then why would you want to financially contribute to it in the first place?

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So in general I'd say to answer the topic question "What offends you the most?" Ignorant people who enjoy pissing others off because the only power they have is a computer for conversation and no social life skills.


Some of us can do both. We can be civil and respectful to those who deserve it both online and in general society. However I strongly doubt that those who only project hostility and butt hurt online are able to act much differently in the real world.


Edited by Asmedious (11/03/12 01:26 PM)
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#72455 - 11/03/12 01:32 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Asmedious]
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I'm not complaining about not having respect. I have plenty of that with my job and people who are closest to me and I sure as hell don't need it on a website. I just get irritated by those who think they're superior when in all reality we are pretty much equal unless you can fuckin levitate or walk on water I'd say we're all equals. And I totally agree with you on your last comment. If anything I thought it was pretty funny what has been said. I never intended on making friends with anyone and everyone on here at all. If I do make some then great, if not it isn't that much of an issue. My whole perception of my original comment was I just don't understand why people take things so personal, then lash out at others. Personally I have no issues with anyone on a personal level here at all. Everyone either talks and are decent or they seem like they're whole world is just shit and everyone else included. If that makes sense.

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#72457 - 11/03/12 01:50 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Lucifershal0]
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I just get irritated by those who think they're superior when in all reality we are pretty much equal unless you can fuckin levitate or walk on water I'd say we're all equals.





I would offer that equality is a myth, perpetuated by the mundane and socially inept fuck tards of society, who will do anything in their ability to bring everyone else down to their level, because they are incapable of rising above the herd themselves. Their egos will not allow them to accept that there are indeed many individuals who are better then them, so they run around talking about everyone being equal instead of admitting, at least to themselves, their short comings, because it's much easier to claim to be equal to others then it is to work at rising above them.

Why does it bother you so much if someone feels that they are superior to others, even if their beliefs are not justified? I don't understand how that should have any affect on you what so ever. If they are not what they claim it should be very easy to prove it to everyone around. That is if one want to waste their time by engaging them in the first place.
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#72460 - 11/03/12 02:25 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Asmedious]
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Wouldn't one who is superior to others be running the world and the rest of us herd as you seem to think. I dont bring anyone down to any level what so ever. There is no level to brought up or down to. "Their egos will not allow them to accept that there are indeed many individuals who are better than them, so they run around talking about everyone being equal instead of admitting, at least to themselves, their shortcomings, because its much easier to claim to be equal to blah blah blah. If you're trying to push this back at me it's not going to work. I am not inferior to anyone, maybe on this website but again.... it's just a website and not something that I need or it needing me. I just get on here for some social chat every now and then. I just find it interesting watching different people interact with each other. There will always be equals because we are all slaves like everyone else in the world working towards something we want. I have no issues speaking with you at all. At least your engaging me in conversation.
In all reality I could give a fuck about anyone else other than myself, close family and friends. If I choose to speak to someone it's because I am extending respect. I don't have to give anyone respect here and I don't expect any either. I mean is there a secret surprise when you're at the top of 600club? For the most part I find people on here pretty easy to talk to.


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#72461 - 11/03/12 02:34 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Lucifershal0]
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Wouldn't one who is superior to others be running the world and the rest of us herd as you seem to think.


That's pretty much how it works.

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I am not inferior to anyone


Inferior: A person lower than another in status or ability.

Can you shoot free throws with more consistency than Mark Price?
Do you have more wealth than Donald Trump?
More followers than Jesus Christ?
Could you beat Ken Jennings at Jeopardy?

It's all dependent on context, but certainly there are some people here who are superior to you and some who are inferior.
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#72466 - 11/03/12 03:28 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Lucifershal0]
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Wouldn't one who is superior to others be running the world and the rest of us herd as you seem to think.






Übermen...(Holy fuck could he have come up with a longer name then that?) Answered that point quite well.
I will only add that those superior ones are doing just what you state, and speaking just for myself, I admit that I am NOT their equal and in most instances they are indeed superior to me. This doesn't mean that I have to bow down and kiss their ass or worship them, but if I am honest with myself (which I aim for) I have to respect them for their success.

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There is no level to brought up or down to.






There is always a higher lever to aim for if an individual wishes to better themselves. If they sit still and feel comfortable in their present standing then they will end up sinking lower and lower, because even if they are content at where they are now, it is the nature of the universe to slowly chip away at them.

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If you're trying to push this back at me it's not going to work.






I am not pushing anything on anyone. I am merely making personal observations and expressing my opinions. If I should say anything negative about certain individuals and if those things do not apply to you then they will not stick.

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I mean is there a secret surprise when you're at the top of 600club?






There sure is. It often times involves someone bringing us down a few notches with a well thought out presentation of a point of view that we have not yet figured out for ourselves, and our reaction to it will often show our true character, or lack there of.

Of course there are the fancy cookies, secret hand shakes and tin foil hats....but I'm not supposed to talk about that stuff \:\)
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#72884 - 11/14/12 12:40 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious


I would offer that equality is a myth, perpetuated by the mundane and socially inept fuck tards of society, who will do anything in their ability to bring everyone else down to their level, because they are incapable of rising above the herd themselves. Their egos will not allow them to accept that there are indeed many individuals who are better then them, so they run around talking about everyone being equal instead of admitting, at least to themselves, their short comings, because it's much easier to claim to be equal to others then it is to work at rising above them.

Why does it bother you so much if someone feels that they are superior to others, even if their beliefs are not justified? I don't understand how that should have any affect on you what so ever. If they are not what they claim it should be very easy to prove it to everyone around. That is if one want to waste their time by engaging them in the first place.



I would tend to agree with this assessment. Contextually, it is almost pointless to view one's self in those terms. If others want to (rightfully or not), it doesn't affect me. If I were to state an ideal: it would be that of meritocracy as opposed to egalitarianism.

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#72900 - 11/14/12 05:07 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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What offends me most is if people accuse me of being lazy, irresponsible etc.

But at least I know where this is coming from;

I have a condition that causes me having a really low energy level, but I work my ass off to keep up with my own standards.

It's just really frustrating wanting things that aren't yet possible because of it.
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#72938 - 11/15/12 02:17 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Daafje666]
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what is this condition called?

You opened the door for this question.

And what efforts have you made to *not* be lazy and irresponsible?

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#72959 - 11/15/12 05:29 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
You opened the door for this question.

True, I was aware of that. And since you're asking, I've been suffering from depressions for most of my life.

 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
And what efforts have you made to *not* be lazy and irresponsible?

I always give my 200% for things that I find important or that will help me get closer to my goals.

Will power is an enormous advantage when your body doesn't coöperate. (I use the term body because you could speak of a chemical imbalance)

So I guess that the offending part for me is being misinterpreted as 'lazy' when things are just harder for me due to my lack of energy while giving that 200%.
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#72960 - 11/15/12 05:37 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Daafje666]
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That is one way to look at it. Personally, I thrive on that type of criticism. I have damage to my inner ears. It has some symptomology (tinnitis, balance, hearing sometimes). I just laugh when people make fun of it. Hasn't stopped me from doing anything. I'm not even sure I'd care to have it "cured". It is just another challenge I've enjoyed overcoming. The idiosyncrasies are just part of who I am.
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#72977 - 11/15/12 01:24 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ÜbermenschMunchi]
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 Originally Posted By: ÜbermenschMunchi
Inferior: A person lower than another in status or ability.

Can you shoot free throws with more consistency than Mark Price?
Do you have more wealth than Donald Trump?
More followers than Jesus Christ?
Could you beat Ken Jennings at Jeopardy?

It's all dependent on context, but certainly there are some people here who are superior to you and some who are inferior.

Exactly--superiority is within a particular context. Can anyone be superior overall, instead of "superior at [task]"? I would argue that it is possible. If the ability to perform a particular task is valued more greatly than another (say, the ability to engineer software is valued more highly than the ability to burp the alphabet), then even if A is in the 99th percentile of software engineers and B is in the 99th percentile of alphabet burpers, A is superior overall to B, even if he can't burp the alphabet to save his life.

Of course, this depends on the subjective evaluation than one task is more valuable than another. B may be of the opinion that burping the alphabet has more value than engineering software. Context still matters, but if one claims superiority within a particular group, that group's general consensus as to what is valued is going to be the determining factor.
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#72991 - 11/15/12 03:21 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Le Deluge]
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It is a way to look at it, but I am not planning on keeping that view.
Good to read, (and for what it's worth on the internet, kind of inspiring) that you can truly accept yours and see it as another challenge.

I hope to get to the same level of acceptance some day.
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#73105 - 11/21/12 02:35 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Daafje666]
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Noticing that this was last responded on mid November, I feel less bad for dredging old subjects up (which may happen, advanced apologies and the not).

What offends me the most is when someone baits an argument with an personal attack meant to grab one's attention emotionally, misuse of the English language (ebonics ect), people who sit on a high horse without the appropriate backing to do so, abuse on children/elderly/weaker individuals.. being told to shut up/grow up or that I'm this or that from a person that doesn't know me.

Oh and more of a pet peeve really, when people spit or chomp on their gum/food.
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#79498 - 08/20/13 06:04 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ÜbermenschMunchi]
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This is a good take on inferiority/superiority. We pretty much are all both inferior, and superior to others it just depends on the contest. A world class survivalist who lives in the woods may have no money or business skills and any business they start may fall apart. However, put Donald Trump in the wilderness and I doubt he does very well, certainly nowhere near how well the survivalist does.

In each given situation, particular skills are needed for success and effectiveness. The value of a skill is up to each individual, they would determine it based on what they want. Society will have the definition of what it values as well, but if success by their standards isn't important to you it wouldn't be of your concern.

Each person will be wrapped up in their own goals, and perhaps judge others by their standards. I am definitely wrapped up in my own, but that doesn't mean my standards are some measure of inferiority/superiority. I basically look to have high level abilities and a great body of work in my chosen specific goal, and don't really care if others value it, and I wouldn't expect others to care if I value what they do.

To answer the thread topic, I wouldn't say I get 'offended' by anything, there are just some traits in people I don't like. The people who I dislike the most are those who are ass holes just for the purpose of being ass holes. I don't like ass holes who don't care who they fuck over in general, but I especially hate them if they do it just to be a prick, and for no motive other than that.

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#79501 - 08/20/13 07:00 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Asmedious]
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That would all depend on how you define equality, in my opinion. For some, equality is simply the same standard being applied to every individual. This is a kind of equality I agree with, where each individual can pursue whatever goals they want, and will be held to the same standard, and not denied a chance, or given special treatment because of race, gender and etc.

The idea that we are all equal in terms of ability however, I agree is nonsense, but I haven't seen too many people deny that. There is no equality in competition, it is all about seeing how good each person is in the particular thing being tested.

What you said about people claiming superiority is dead on. If someone really has the superior abilities they claim to have, and it's all they're claiming I have no clue why it even bothers people(unless they're a prick about it). We all know they think it anyway.
If they don't have the superior abilities they claim to have, it should be pretty easy to expose. If someone is just claiming superiority and not even giving a reason, then that's just pathetic self-deluded nonsense no one should even bother indulging. It seems the people who claim superiority the most do so online, where they don't have to back up their claims.


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#79665 - 08/24/13 04:56 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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Sacred Cows are offensive and deserving of the brazen bull.


So let me get this straight, the 'defenseless' are sacred? Crimes against the 'innocent' are far worse (morally) than others?

So a crime, (as in according to the 'law') is reprehensible if it's committed against a defenseless adult or a child but other 'laws' are just arbitrary to honor is that it? All because of the alleged emotional scars they leave behind?

That bullshit stinks, p.u. ... Offensive.
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#79688 - 08/25/13 08:29 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: SIN3]
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As I've mentioned before, I don't personally approve of child molestation/abuse, but I agree that a lot of people are hypocritical in their approach about it.

It is a complete joke to always go around advocating no morality, morality is useless RHP baggage, morality is for sheep etc. but then have a moral problem with child molestation. If you have a problem with it, then you don't believe in the 'anything goes' philosophy.

The common arguments against child molestation are the scarring effects and trauma, children not being able to protect themselves and etc., and while there is not necessarily anything wrong with these viewpoints, they are moot points if you advocate the 'morality is useless' stance.

If you believe morality is useless, for sheep and etc. then who cares if you hurt someone who's defenseless, who cares if you scar them for life, who cares if they are children, why would it matter? The simple answer is, it wouldn't.

People who contradict themselves in the way I described usually are the types who essentially can't deal with the repercussions of their philosophy, and likely make exceptions for child molestation because they were the victim. However, anything goes doesn't mean 'anything goes unless I'm the victim'.

As far as the defenseless being protected, I am split on that idea. If a weaker adult assaults someone for instance, and gets beat up, tough cookie, you shouldn't have attacked them if you didn't want that to happen. With children though, they haven't developed mentally to the level of adults and can't be expected to be held to the same standard of responsibility, in my opinion. I generally don't agree with ideas that say people are 'off limits' only because they are weaker, but for reasons I mentioned before children are different in my opinion.


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#79691 - 08/25/13 09:37 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 334forwardspin]
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My own child, fine. That's me and mine. Millions of nameless, faceless kids that I'll never forge a relationship with just for the principal of the thing? It seems that many are united on that front, that protecting kids is of the utmost importance or else you stand for nothing. Replace kids with any other value and its pedestal is revealed.

Isn't it ironic that these small humans are precious until they reach a certain age? Then people stop caring about these little cutie-pies when they grow up.

If they so happen to commit a 'heinous' crime such as molestation or rape, the perpetrators childhood pathology is rarely a concern for the populace. They usually want them dead. Mental & Emotional scars be damned!

It's like showing empathy for a puppy when it pisses on the floor because it's cute but then later go on to demonstrate apathy for the adult dog for chewing on your favorite pair of shoes by beating its ass.
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#79765 - 08/25/13 09:21 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: SIN3]
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For me, it's an empathy thing. Basically, I won't do something to someone if I wouldn't want it done to me(unless of course, someone doesn't extend me the same courtesy, then I don't care).

Of course, as I said if you discard morality completely, then it doesn't have much point anymore. Even though children aren't developed to the point of adults mentally, if you don't care about harming/scarring an adult at all, then it seems stupid to care about any scarring caused to anyone, even if they are more vulnerable to it.

As for why they don't sympathize with a perp who was a victim, it's an accountability thing. The general mentality behind it is, it doesn't matter what happened to you, you have to take others into consideration and still take responsibility for your own life/actions. Not that there's anything wrong with that mentality, but by many it is hypocritically applied, and people just pick and choose when someone's accountable and when they're not, it's hypocrisy at it's worse.

In the case of sex offenses, more hypocrisy is displayed than with anything else. It seems as though being the victim of a sex crime is an excuse for almost anything, EXCEPT for becoming a sex offender, in the eyes of many. You can't have it both ways, either you are still responsible for your life, or you're not.

Also, you'll see a lot of people who take the accountability mentality with sex offenders, but every other victim who becomes a perp is 'just a victim of the cycle'. Many see gang members who kill people as victims if they had rough upbringings, people who commit race crimes as victims if they experienced racism and etc., why are those people not held to the same accountability standard? If you expect a victim of child abuse to take responsibility for their life, why do you not expect people with other bad experiences to do so? After all, the driving force behind the idea is that child abuse is much harder to overcome is it not?

It's a fine example of how the logic people use to determine what is more or less acceptable is flawed. Even though I agree with the general dislike of child molestation, I'm not a big fan of hypocrisy.

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#79766 - 08/25/13 09:36 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Indeed, seems many speak in split-tongues. I guess it comes with the territory, along with chest-beating, muscle flexing and cock-measuring.

I think its funny when a person tells me to get some morals, oh yeah? Like the vast majority of other people's flighty morals? Picky-choosy bullshit.

No thanks, I'll stick with dealing with abhorrence in my own way as it relates to my own sphere of existence.
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#79770 - 08/25/13 10:31 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: SIN3]
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The picky and choosiness is all the more reason to decide your views for yourself. Adhering to what is taboo versus what is not is not only a lack of free thinking, but dependent on flaw logic often driven by pure emotion.

In my case, ethics I do have aren't centered around what is taboo, but more so how I'd want to be treated. Some would consider by views amoral, some may call me too moral. Sometimes, people just don't like a person who 'answers to no one' regarding their morality, simply because they don't need to get an ok on their moral opinions from others, even if that person is fairly trustworthy, perhaps more so than those with wishy washy ethics.

The consequences of 'amoral' views are mostly your relationships with people, and losing ties with those who disapprove of your views enough to cut ties with you. However, if they are willing to do that, they likely aren't worth your time. Of course, if you disregard a person's well fare, you can't complain if they do cut ties with you, like many seem to do. Usually, they are the kinds who can't take what they dish out, and expect to be exempt from their own philosophies.

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#79771 - 08/25/13 10:46 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Right, I don't need other people to tell me what I should be disgusted by, what to find abhorrent and how I should deal with it. I'm fine with others making me a villain if I don't agree with them, ties are cut in any case by either party if it doesn't make sense to bind them in the first place.

I can usually manage objectivity fine, even from a subjective stand point.
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#82736 - 11/29/13 07:45 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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The most irritating thing for me is being controlled by others and being told what to do I absolutely lose it when this happens but I guess that does have something to do with my bad past.
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#82740 - 11/29/13 05:25 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: ]
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Ridiculously fat people, I don't mind fat people in general I'm referring to people who are really fat like they were fat at one stage and then dedicated themselves to over eating to achieve total obesity.
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#87622 - 05/15/14 09:27 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: DJHezron]
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Just saw this thread. What offends me?

Men who are sensitive. I already have a pussy, thanks. I can't respect any man who gets his feelings hurt ever.

People who support socialized health care. If you're sick and can't afford treatment, die already don't be a burden on me, why the fuck should I help or give a damn? Dying off is survival of the fittest.

Bleeding-heart liberals. Get the memo: for your whiny causes, me not give fucky.

Anyone too weak to exploit and harm others for personal selfish gain. No, your not good, you're fucking stupid.

Anyone bitching about lying and manipulation. Hun, I'm a woman. The Satanic Witch really helped me to accept that part of me and hate those who don't like it.

Yeah I'm an asshole. My inner beast is getting feisty. But yeah, Hail Fucking Satan \m/
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#87624 - 05/15/14 10:03 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Johanna Freewebb]
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I find nothing offensive. It's all fair game to me - something to muse over. The worst judgment I can come to is "silly" - like in the case of sock accounts and whatnot.

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#87627 - 05/16/14 05:11 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I would tend to agree, I may not like a lot of ideas but I don't find them offensive. I can greatly appreciate 'offensive' jokes, even if I may disagree with what the joke implies, it's rarely meant seriously anyway. I'm a big fan of shock comics and shows that push the envelope. Anthony Jesselnik is a favorite, and a few others(shame on Tosh for apologizing for his rape joke, lol)Even though I have Southern roots, I'm a big fan of Squidbillies which basically themed around the most outrageous stereotypes of Southerners.
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#87633 - 05/16/14 09:28 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Johanna Freewebb]
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People who support socialized health care. If you're sick and can't afford treatment, die already don't be a burden on me, why the fuck should I help or give a damn?


There are some treatments that cost fortune. You can't afford them unless you're Croesus. But I'm sure you live by what you preach and when the time comes you're sick and can't afford all the necessary treatment, you will commit suicide, instead of vampirizing on the state, right?

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Dying off is survival of the fittest.


This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. At times yes, at other times it's accidental. Sometimes it's the stronger one that gets cut. Remember dinosaurs from your biology classes?

Imagine that every day Mommy Nature organizes a little lottery to select a bunch of suckers for their ultimate disposal. How does "she" do it? By casting lots. Is it fair? No? So what? Croesuses and intellectuals are as expendable as drunkards and vagabonds.

One day, it will be your turn. Surprise, surprise. What will you do? File a complaint?

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Anyone too weak to exploit and harm others for personal selfish gain. No, your not good, you're fucking stupid.


That depends. If you harm others, you can be harmed in return. Revenge, lex talionis and such stuff. Has such a possibility ever crossed your little mind?

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Anyone bitching about lying and manipulation.


What do you mean by "bitching"? Whining, moaning is one thing, calling out someone on their bullshit is another thing. Manipulation ends the moment it is exposed. Or do you think someone should just bend over and take it?

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You give yourself too much credit, I think. After your few posts, I can already say you just suck at it.

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Sure kiddie, sure. *wink, wink*
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#87675 - 05/16/14 08:52 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
There are some treatments that cost fortune. You can't afford them unless you're Croesus. But I'm sure you live by what you preach and when the time comes you're sick and can't afford all the necessary treatment, you will commit suicide, instead of vampirizing on the state, right?

I'm healthy. I have rich parents. My boyfriend has quite the career. Why should I care about some loser who can't afford her own fuckin' medical bills? That's just some altruist bullshit. Might sound harsh but why the fuck should I pay for other people's medical problems, the healthy being forced to finance the sick losers? If you'll die without it, excuse me while I fail to give a shit. You can whine all you like about what if I were in their shoes, blah blah blah, but guess what I'm not.

I had a boyfriend before who developed diabetes. I dumped him as it's a turn off. It's natural to find health probs unattractive and have contempt for people who are sick. Unhealthy people are losers. And it's probably their fault, personal responsibility and all. If not, well, sucks to be you, but me not give fuck.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. At times yes, at other times it's accidental. Sometimes it's the stronger one that gets cut. Remember dinosaurs from your biology classes?

Imagine that every day Mommy Nature organizes a little lottery to select a bunch of suckers for their ultimate disposal. How does "she" do it? By casting lots. Is it fair? No? So what? Croesuses and intellectuals are as expendable as drunkards and vagabonds.

And why should I give a shit? Might is right. I'm alive and have the luxury to gloat. Just like I enjoy rubbing my social success in other people's faces. Losers die off. Ergo, I am superior. Nature selected me. Fuck the weak.

Don't like my attitude? Lol. Poor baby.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
That depends. If you harm others, you can be harmed in return. Revenge, lex talionis and such stuff. Has such a possibility ever crossed your little mind?

I can get away with it if I target those too weak to fight back. It works, hun. What, should I have more empathy and sympathy? Hahahaha. Guess what, Karma is such bull. The right targets cannot harm you back, and nobody will fight for them either.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
Manipulation ends the moment it is exposed.

What a crock of shit. I've had people try to call my games out, and people still fall for it. I just fuck with them back and they soon knock it off. A nice flash of tits and ass works wonders, hun.

Looks like you aren't cut out for Satanism. Go cry to mama. I get it well. I'm proud of being diabolical. ;\)
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#87676 - 05/16/14 09:02 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Johanna Freewebb]
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I'm healthy. I have rich parents. My boyfriend has quite the career. Why should I care about some loser who can't afford her own fuckin' medical bills?


"her"? Your BF is a "her"?

Meh, I think you slipped up, sir. I knock. Unless you're speaking directly to CZ... in which case I am doubtful the medical problems of someone in Europe effect you much at all anyway - pocket-wise.

Even if US subsidized health care had any impact I am certain it would be more or less your BFs and Parent's problem - not yours.

As for why you should or should not care about someone's own medical bills - well, you shouldn't - but don't expect a whole shit ton of sympathy when you get slapped with cervical cancer and the medical bills that will invariably follow.

See, it's not a "compassion" thing at all... it's a "the system sucks" type a deal. Not a personal thing at all... I too am healthy, and have wealth that stupefies even me... but unlike you, I am self-made, have decent health care, and still see that the system is pretty fucked - it's not a weak vs strong type a deal... besides, you're not strong, just lucky. I'd be more interested to hear from your rich parents / rich BF... what do you bring to the table? Silliness.

Most importantly, no one cares what you can/do/can't get away with here... it is a forum and it is merely words - most don't even believe your pic is real... and if it is, given that manly chin and bushy eyebrows, I'd have to be at least part fag to bag you even with the lights off.

I call "troll". An interesting troll, but a troll none-the-less.


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#87677 - 05/16/14 09:13 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Johanna Freewebb]
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 Originally Posted By: Johanna Freewebb
Just saw this thread. What offends me?

Men who are sensitive. I already have a pussy, thanks. I can't respect any man who gets his feelings hurt ever.
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You have claimed to be 'strongly feminist' in another post, yet only sensitive men 'offend' you. Under the idea of equality, wouldn't a sensitive woman be just as much of a 'pussy', by your definition? This seems like an 'I'm a strong woman and should be viewed as equal to men!...but held to a lower standard' approach.

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People who support socialized health care. If you're sick and can't afford treatment, die already don't be a burden on me, why the fuck should I help or give a damn? Dying off is survival of the fittest.
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I'm fairly certain dying from a disease often has to do with simple bad luck, not survival of the fittest. I'm also pretty sure you'd take health care if you were dying off as well. People seem to like to talk about survival of the fittest, the weak etc....but I doubt many of them would actually like such a society.

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In some cases, harming others may not serve a person's goal. Or it could be an impractical risk. I suppose it depends on the goal, but 'nice guys finish last' isn't necessarily true. Some people just may choose not to take that approach, why does it 'offend' you? Whatever you may think of harming others, being willing to do it is unrelated to mental strength. Many people willing to do it accomplish very little and are weak of mind, and vice versa.

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As was said above, many times 'bitching' is just calling someone on their shit. Now sure, avoiding getting sucked manipulation that is 'harmful to the self' is part of mental strength, but it doesn't mean you have to like those who try and suck you in. People tend to only like those who are 'good' to them(by whatever that means to them). Liking those who don't care about you makes you prone to being used and getting nothing back.

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If your going to fly the 'proud ass hole' flag, then that's your choice, but doing that while bitching about people 'not liking' that side in you just means you can't take what you dish out. It is laughable to expect others to never victimize you by way of your own philosophies.

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#87678 - 05/16/14 09:20 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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 Originally Posted By: antikarmatomic
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I'm healthy. I have rich parents. My boyfriend has quite the career. Why should I care about some loser who can't afford her own fuckin' medical bills?


"her"? Your BF is a "her"?

Meh, I think you slipped up, sir. I knock.

I wasn't referring to my boyfriend, Mister Stirrer, though your expecting the other pronoun does speak to your misogyny.

The fact is I have abundant capital from parents and partner, so I fail to see the need to empathize with those losers without the cash to pay for their own medical bills, who would seek to use theft via tax to burden me and mine.

Including those loser bitches with neither, who seem to be bellowing loudest for state support. I say fuck 'em, let 'em die. Burdens on society releasing themselves has to be a positive outcome. Disabled cripples too. Ugh. I'm able-bodied FFS.

I am offended by their whining, referring to the thread topic.

You dig, or are you jealous? \:\)
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#87681 - 05/16/14 09:29 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Johanna Freewebb]
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The fact is I have abundant capital from parents and partner


Explain to me how
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you really are when so far all I'm hearing about from you is the success of those you leach off of while at the same time decrying those who leach off the system.

Not in the least offended, just curious. *as for "jealous"... heh, I wouldn't be so quick to presume my station in life just yet - we've hardly been introduced... it's pretty sweet, and all my own. ;\)


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#87682 - 05/16/14 09:34 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Johanna Freewebb]
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 Originally Posted By: Johanna Freewebb
 Originally Posted By: antikarmatomic
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I'm healthy. I have rich parents. My boyfriend has quite the career. Why should I care about some loser who can't afford her own fuckin' medical bills?


"her"? Your BF is a "her"?

Meh, I think you slipped up, sir. I knock.

I wasn't referring to my boyfriend, Mister Stirrer, though your expecting the other pronoun does speak to your misogyny.

The fact is I have abundant capital from parents and partner, so I fail to see the need to empathize with those losers without the cash to pay for their own medical bills, who would seek to use theft via tax to burden me and mine.

Including those loser bitches with neither, who seem to be bellowing loudest for state support. I say fuck 'em, let 'em die. Burdens on society releasing themselves has to be a positive outcome. Disabled cripples too. Ugh. I'm able-bodied FFS.

I am offended by their whining, referring to the thread topic.

You dig, or are you jealous? \:\)


It seems you like to use other people's accomplishments to booster your own ego. The money of your parents and boyfriend, for instance. What is it you have done yourself that makes you 'elite'?The things you brag about are merely luck, which seems little to brag about. I find it amusing that you are flaunting perceived eliteness, all the while using an ability to mooch off your parents as a reason. Now sure, me and my girlfriend lived with my mom for a few months to save up money to move, but it's not much to brag about.


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#87684 - 05/16/14 09:38 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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 Originally Posted By: antikarmatomic
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Explain to me how
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you really are when so far all I'm hearing about from you is the success of those you leach off of while at the same time decrying those who leach off the system.

Not in the least offended, just curious.

Read The Satanic Witch, and Might is Right, and get back to me. That should answer all your questions babe.

As far as I'm concerned, witchcraft is merit. Men control the world, I control them with my wiles. That puts me on top, like a noble rider on a workhorse.

The leechers off the system are not my equals. Apples and oranges. I'm a goddess witch of magick light and its justice itself for lesser beings to be sacrificed to me. Thats just the way it is. \:\)
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#87685 - 05/16/14 09:48 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Johanna Freewebb]
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What makes you think I haven't read them? What makes you think having read them really means a damn thing? and most importantly what makes you think "babe" is appropriate to this conversation?

Imma call it like I see it - I call troll, sock, or, at best, "new" (and I'm just being polite because I can afford that)

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on here you can be anything you like... but no one is fooling anyone.


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#87696 - 05/17/14 03:18 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Johanna Freewebb]
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The fact is I have abundant capital from parents and partner, so I fail to see the need to empathize with those losers without the cash to pay for their own medical bills, who would seek to use theft via tax to burden me and mine.

So you're essentially a worthless gold-digger?

Somehow, I'm quite certain you're just an average girl who's enamoured with "the good life" (as shown in your typical american sitcoms) and a penchant for controversial symbolism. After-all, the statements you made can only stem from the mind of a teenager who hasn't quite worked out the way of the world.
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#87706 - 05/17/14 11:54 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Dimitri]
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Pretty sure, it's a dude trolling as a chick and you guys are just feeding it. Just sayin'
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#87713 - 05/17/14 03:18 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Pretty sure, it's a dude trolling as a chick and you guys are just feeding it. Just sayin'


This, most definitely. I don't have much experience here, but I've seen a LOT of guys pretending to be girls online. I can't even count the posers I met in my first month on another forum. Either way, guy or girl, this person is definitely a troll. Please do not feed the troll. Trolls bite.

Anyway, is any interested in going back on topic? Personally, I find it hard to pick one thing that bothers me the most. I suppose what offends me the most is not criticism of my abilities, but criticism of my interests and beliefs.

For example, people sometimes label me a "devil worshipper", and even hate on me just for being a Satanist, even if they recognize my actual belief system. It's just offensive how they look down on my religion.

Also, I find it offensive when someone thinks I'm "lower" than them because of my hobbies. Someone even told me I was a child because I "still play video games,". Video games are often just forms of entertainment, not necessarily children's toys. Sometimes, video games can even be art, be it aesthetically, linguistically, or whatever.

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#87714 - 05/17/14 03:23 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Crake]
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I like a troll every now and then, providing they're somewhat entertaining. problem is, they shit up the boards.

This one is gone, FYI.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program...
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#87715 - 05/17/14 04:33 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Crake]
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I actually wasn't sure if he/she was one or not, I have encountered people like 'her' before that seriously think like her.

As for your response, I used to think like this, getting upset about misconceptions people had, looking down on the belief system and etc. However, I stopped thinking like this a long time ago. With misconceptions, I pretty much just take it for what it is-Satanism is a lesser embraced idea, with a low amount of interest. Thus, few will know about it and may have misconceptions. People often complain about people having misconceptions about their religion/path, but honestly all I can say is get over it. Unless you are well versed in every lesser followed ideology there is, it's kind of hypocritical really.

It's merely just another tactic in the 'us and them' mindset, in my opinion, to say 'Satanists are losers'. 'Loser' is one of the most meaninglessly used insults out there, as people will use it for reasons that have nothing to do with 'losing', or as a way of saying 'you have to pursue this goal, your own aren't as important'. At this point, I see it as little more than replacing 'evil' or 'wrong' with 'loser' or 'pathetic', just 'us and them'.

For example, I saw a comment about Jon Nodtveidt of Dissection on a page, it said 'Jon was kind of a loser for the Satanism and all, but you have to admit he was a musical genius'. He's a musical genius, but he's a 'loser' for signing with something the person just decided makes you a loser. Essentially, that's the thinking used behind it. Now sure, I may not particularly like people who think this way, but once you analyze the thinking it's hard to take it seriously. It's all a bunch of subjective shit really.

Part of Satanism for me, is recognizing shit like this for what it is. It's about individualism and personal goals, and for me success is all about the body of work in those goals. In the end, the ability and body of work is what it is, whether it makes people oooh and awe or not. If I reach the top of those goals, but people decide I'm still a 'loser', well..fuck em.

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#87720 - 05/17/14 09:53 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Fnord]
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A man of action huh, Fnord, I like that. This person was not to hard to discern as a troll for me at least and if I had to take an educated guess I would say it was Meq, but I am not so good at the who part of this \:\)
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#87723 - 05/17/14 11:01 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 334forwardspin]
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There's a huge difference between using words like "them"/"loser" and simply not knowing every small religion/philosophy/sect. I don't know much about Wiccans, for example, but I don't look down on them, or make any sort of assumption about them.

Satanism is different though, because you either know it for what it is, or you "know" it as the devil-worshipping stuff. People usually don't think "I'm not sure what Satanism is, so I'm not going to make any suggestions,".

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#87724 - 05/17/14 11:10 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Bodie45]
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Not sure what the game was. IP address was clean/non proxy (not Meq's style).

To my mind, if someone can't add something to the conversation (en toto) within 10 posts and then goes on the offensive, something isn't 'right'.

Too many good posts in here of late to be entertained by shit. Bad timing, if nothing else. Failing grade in lesser magic.
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#87726 - 05/17/14 11:29 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
Not sure what the game was. IP address was clean/non proxy (not Meq's style).

To my mind, if someone can't add something to the conversation (en toto) within 10 posts and then goes on the offensive, something isn't 'right'.

Too many good posts in here of late to be entertained by shit. Bad timing, if nothing else. Failing grade in lesser magic.



Not Meq huh? I was going on the attack of SinJones as that is the normal for Meq anymore. Someone who has been a registered member for almost 2 years and only has 11 posts is suspect when they act this way for sure. Thx for playing "Whack-a-mole" for the rest of us. \:\)
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#87729 - 05/18/14 12:42 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Fnord]
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Too many good posts in here of late to be entertained by shit.
yeah, I was sorta noticing this too within the last month or so

There was an older version of this article Myth of the satanic community

that seems to have been edited to omit the "endless squabbles in cyberspace" and to include "If you want to start an online pen-pal site, then by all means do so (and you can have whatever standards you choose concerning those who may participate), but don’t claim that it is a “satanic organization” and hand out titles. Just be honest about what it really is."

I always figured the original article went around painting with too broad of a brush. Some people do see forums as just that, and choose to engage in it for what it is.

Sure, there are "titles" here but they simply reflect one's level of participation, not one's real-life accomplishments, which are impossible to prove and really don't matter. *it's not as if I care about a great guitar player's day-job.

One could be a janitor working shit hours but still have really great ideas and articulate them quite well.

There are sites that do allow and encourage the shit to hit the fan - I can see where that might be "fun", too, but true discourse requires a bit of give and take.

"I see what you said, but I don't agree - here's why"

not the ol' "Satanism = assholism" trying to be the king of the cyber-sandbox.

Not that it offends me; it's just silly.

back to the topic... like I said I don't find a whole ton of things very offensive, but something that sorta rattles my cage is (and this ties back to the whole "are you a Satanist in public" thread)

Here's the scenario:

My wife's mom died a few weeks back, who was a minister in a church (one of those local-type-churches) so whatever, that sucks and I want to be there for my wife because I don't care what religion you are, losing a mom fucking sucks. Why would I *not* attend the funeral? Am I that insecure about the things that I believe that I can't just show some respect?

So I'm there, being all supportive, and sure enough "so, what religion are you?"

"I'd rather not discuss it thanks" (there's a time and a place for everything)

"ah, I understand, well, just some friendly advice, you should read the King James bible, especially the New Testament"

"yes, I've read it front to back"

"well, you should apply it too - man has a soul and when he dies he will meet god"

"yeah I know, the Qua'ran says the same thing, most religions do"

"the Qur'an is right too insofar as it agrees with the King James Bible"

"yeah, well the Qur'an says the same thing about Christianity - I'm not one to judge"

"but they are not saved"

"I respect that this is your position, but is now really the time to be discussing this?"

"Well, just think about it and have a safe flight home" (with a smug grin)

What it comes down to is, well, don't force me to be a dick! If you can see I'm trying to be polite, let it go.

There are somethings in this world that are more valuable to me than religion - like respect for the dead, and ya' know, not raising a scene when the timing is simply inappropriate.

It's maybe not so much "offensive" but it definitely irks me matters of faith trump normal human civility.

I mean, there's theistic satanists on this site, a Catholic, some hard-core LHPers, some LaVeayans, and really - no one changes faith for having lost a debate, and debating matters of faith are just not productive... just 'cuz their beliefs don't exactly mirror my own doesn't mean we can't have a worth-while discussion - *when appropriate*

Be it a troll harping on how much of an asshole they are (which apparently makes them "elite") or a Christian suggesting that I'm going to hell if I don't kowtow to their world-view (which apparently also makes them elite), I figure there's just more to life and the human experience than how some books you've read told you to think.

Same shit, different smell.



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#87730 - 05/18/14 12:46 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Crake]
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There's a huge difference between using words like "them"/"loser" and simply not knowing every small religion/philosophy/sect. I don't know much about Wiccans, for example, but I don't look down on them, or make any sort of assumption about them.

Satanism is different though, because you either know it for what it is, or you "know" it as the devil-worshipping stuff. People usually don't think "I'm not sure what Satanism is, so I'm not going to make any suggestions,".


The problem with that though, is that there are Satanists of the devil worshipping variety out there, so the assumption is not even entirely false. It comes in many forms.

Now sure, people shouldn't assume that you do adhere to that variety, but you have to remember the roots of the term. Basically, it's not like people just pulled that assumption out of their hat, it is a term used by the world's most widely followed religion, and it's Judeo-Christianity association is far older than LaVey's interpretation. I would expect people to assume that when they hear Satanism, unless they know of other forms. Plus, let's be honest-most forms of Satanism almost certainly used the term, because of it's association with the devil. If you do that, it's kind of hard to get offended by it, at least for me.

I know that there is a difference between a misconception and using 'them/loser' and similar things, and I don't think you're the type that whines and complains about everything. However, many Satanists do complain about misconceptions constantly, that really amount to little more than people simply not knowing about their religion/philosophy. To me, that's just looking for something to whine about, because if you follow a lesser traveled path, don't expect most people to be informed about it.

With those who take it as far as 'them/loser', well like I said I get not liking those people much. However, it goes back to what I said behind how stupid the thinking is. At times, it may get under my skin, but when I think about it it becomes hard to take seriously.

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#87732 - 05/18/14 01:30 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Too many good posts in here of late to be entertained by shit.
yeah, I was sorta noticing this too within the last month or so

There was an older version of this article Myth of the satanic community

that seems to have been edited to omit the "endless squabbles in cyberspace" and to include "If you want to start an online pen-pal site, then by all means do so (and you can have whatever standards you choose concerning those who may participate), but don’t claim that it is a “satanic organization” and hand out titles. Just be honest about what it really is."

I always figured the original article went around painting with too broad of a brush. Some people do see forums as just that, and choose to engage in it for what it is.

Sure, there are "titles" here but they simply reflect one's level of participation, not one's real-life accomplishments, which are impossible to prove and really don't matter. *it's not as if I care about a great guitar player's day-job.

One could be a janitor working shit hours but still have really great ideas and articulate them quite well.

There are sites that do allow and encourage the shit to hit the fan - I can see where that might be "fun", too, but true discourse requires a bit of give and take.

"I see what you said, but I don't agree - here's why"

not the ol' "Satanism = assholism" trying to be the king of the cyber-sandbox.

Not that it offends me; it's just silly.

back to the topic... like I said I don't find a whole ton of things very offensive, but something that sorta rattles my cage is (and this ties back to the whole "are you a Satanist in public" thread)

Here's the scenario:

My wife's mom died a few weeks back, who was a minister in a church (one of those local-type-churches) so whatever, that sucks and I want to be there for my wife because I don't care what religion you are, losing a mom fucking sucks.

So I'm there, being all supportive, and sure enough "so, what religion are you?"

"I'd rather not discuss it thanks" (there's a time and a place for everything)

"ah, I understand, well, just some friendly advice, you should read the King James bible, especially the New Testament"

"yes, I've read it front to back"

"well, you should apply it too - man has a soul and when he dies he will meet god"

"yeah I know, the Qua'ran says the same thing, most religions do"

"the Qur'an is right too insofar as it agrees with the King James Bible"

"yeah, well the Qur'an says the same thing about Christianity - I'm not one to judge"

"but they are not saved"

"I respect that this is your position, but is now really the time to be discussing this?"

"Well, just think about it and have a safe flight home" (with a smug grin)

What it comes down to is, well, don't force me to be a dick! If you can see I'm trying to be polite, let it go.

There are somethings in this world that are more valuable to me than religion - like respect for the dead, and ya' know, not raising a scene when the timing is simply inappropriate.

It's maybe not so much "offensive" but it definitely irks me matters of faith trump normal human civility.


With the first part of your post, I think it depends on the situation for whether or not a person's 'real life' matters or not, it all depends on what is being discussed. 'I don't care about a guitar player's day job' does apply in many cases. As you have said before, your main concern is if somebody tears it up. With Satanic ideologies, I would tend to agree. Many individuals may have well reasoned ideas, but simply never had the goal of pursuing a well paying day job. They may not be as materialistic, or whatever other reason, it doesn't make their ideas invalid.

However, in some instances a person's lack of 'real world' experience may be relevant. In many instances, a person may advocate something where real world action is the essence of the ideal. For me for instance, I could talk about measuring success by performance in the toughest tasks, or against toughest opponents within your craft online all I want, but if I don't pursue any goals where I actually look to do that, I'm basically just advocating a philosophy I don't even use, and I'd basically be a hack.

Now, it doesn't have to be a goal that gives me financial success or social standing, and there could be a variety of goals where this could apply, that do not. However, it would have to be some sort of goal.

I would agree with what you said about there being a time and place for everything. I wouldn't consider that offensive, just way too pushy. However, with that it's not what they say that bothers me, just the time. Of course, there are some things I would almost never mind discussing I suppose.

I get your position, but when people get offended just because people are trying to 'spread their message', that's when it gets stupid to me. It seems these people only mind if it's a religious message being spread. Now sure, my 'Satanic mindset' says you shouldn't care if your in the minority, and thus wouldn't take the approach of trying to force my opinions on others, but I'm not offended by those that do. It's their problem, not mine.

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#87733 - 05/18/14 09:08 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Precisely.

True, real world accomplishments are important when discussing real-world accomplishments, but I'm noticing such conversations don't crop up on here too often. This is just as well, since it's all very hard to verify anyway. For the most part it is editorials and commentary.

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I get your position, but when people get offended just because people are trying to 'spread their message', that's when it gets stupid to me.


If in the course of a genuine conversation someone wants to discuss whatever religion they/I happen to be into, I'll listen and state my position at least for as long as the conversation doesn't escalate or become one of those "ok, now we're talking in circles" type a deals.

Usually I'll feel it out well in advance, hence the, "I'd rather not discuss it, thanks :)". I do agree "pushy" might've been the best way to describe it; not necessarily offensive.

One of those "what did I *just say*?? man, I'm just trying to be polite" type a deals. *shrugs* oh well; sometimes tact goes right over peoples heads.


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#87738 - 05/18/14 04:41 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I always figured the original article went around painting with too broad of a brush. Some people do see forums as just that, and choose to engage in it for what it is.


I don't remember how the older version of this essay was different from the new one. I remember, though, that somewhere on the old CoS website the members were encouraged to behave like ladies and gentlemen to each other, even if their views differ or they don't like each other. I don't remember though which article it was. They were also discouraged from participating in the chatrooms. I think it was due to their own unpleasant experience with their own chatroom. If I'm not mistaken, Satannet used to have a text chatroom and there were complaints from the users about disrespectful behavior of the CoS clergy, some went straight to the Church of Satan administration. They even issued a statement that they aren't responsible for the behavior of their clergy in the chatroom.

It's a very old story, but I read some online gossip about it. It was a bit amusing to read whiny stories of disgruntled CoS members butthurt in the chatroom and complaining to Nadramia about their sore asses. The similar stories used to happen in SIN chatroom and they were equally hilarious.

It's natural that certain people just don't take to each other and even if all try to be respectful, sometimes animosity can prevail. A bit of drama from time to time is entertaining and can add some spice to the discussions. Of course, too much of it can also spoil the fun.

Now for the Satanic community. It all depends on what you mean by community. If you mean a group of people gathered in one place and sharing particular interest or interests in common, then every forum or social network can be called a community. However, there remains a degree of cohesiveness. Some communities are cohesive in a large degree and others not so much.

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There are somethings in this world that are more valuable to me than religion - like respect for the dead, and ya' know, not raising a scene when the timing is simply inappropriate.

It's maybe not so much "offensive" but it definitely irks me matters of faith trump normal human civility.


Yes, it was definitely a lack of taste to discuss such things during the funeral. For me, it's showing disrespect for the dead and her family. A funeral is time for mourning, not pursuing your own agenda and trying to convert someone by vampirizing on their feelings of grief.

From time to time, I'm visited by Jehovah's Witnesses, trying to sell their religion. I never get into disputes with them. It would be tiresome and pointless. As you said, nobody changes religion for having lost a debate. So I just say "Thank you, but I'm not interested". I must admit they have never been annoying. Whenever I say this, they always wish me a good day and walk away.
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#87740 - 05/18/14 06:14 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I agree, bad time and place. Of course, it's the timing that I would find to show a lack of tact, not the message. If people are complaining simply because someone is spreading a Christian based message my response is...get over it.

For the first part of your post, I agree that people's real world accomplishments and experiences don't come up as often on here, because it's often hard to prove. They are relevant in a discussion centered around real world accomplishments, or a person going out of their way to make claims about themselves, but thats about it. I suppose at times, you could film yourself as proof of something, but that's not necessary for most here anyway.

Most of the time, it's more of just an ideological and philosophically based discussion. Experiences and accomplishments may be brought up to support a point, but the discussion is more about the point being argued, and usually stays focused on that. Whether or not someone personally puts their philosophy into action is often beside the point, as it often doesn't make what they say any less valid. With free thinking, judging an argument means analyzing the argument, not the person making it. Basically meaning, it's not about performing some analysis of whether or not this person is credible so you can swallow everything they say without question, but an analysis of what they are actually saying.

I've often encountered people who play the credentials card on the internet, and it's incredibly lame. Basically saying, 'I'm right because of x credential'. At times, they even act like it's some travesty that I dared to challenge them, which is even lamer. For one, these credentials were never proven, and even if they were it doesn't automatically validate the argument. Even a well credentialed person may have missed something along the way, that maybe a less credentialed person has given attention to, or other reasons. In the end, if you know what your talking about you should be able to come up with a supporting point. Hiding behind credentials just makes it look like you can't. I've even had people use the 'I'm right because I'm older' argument, how lame is that? lol

That shit may get respect in some places, but one thing I like about this forum is that on here, all it will make it look like is that you can't support your actual argument. I can't help but appreciate forcing people to actually argue their point, instead of just resorting to Ad Hom.


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#87750 - 05/19/14 10:29 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: 334forwardspin]
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The problem with that though, is that there are Satanists of the devil worshipping variety out there, so the assumption is not even entirely false. It comes in many forms.


I'd take a serious Devil Worshiper over a poser Satanist any day. If you're going to worship any Devil, why not make it self-centered?

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#87868 - 05/22/14 08:46 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Morgan]
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what offends me the most is a tricky question to answer really but all and all it always has a simple answer. In general being abusive or harmful to others is the most offensive to me. Being abused by many people growing up I know what it feels like to feel the pain absorbed by the abuse. pretty much I dislike people who bag out others but its only human nature so its comprehensible to a degree.
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#99429 - 05/06/15 11:03 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: cut me inside]
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People that get offended, offend me. It's that whole, "Oh, your shit doesn't ever stink, does it?" *thang*. I'm highly offensive, and I enjoy highly offensive. I guess a part of me is trying to mature out of it, but.. not really. The crasser, the better in my book.

Oh, but I hate, hate, hate the LGBTQ community, and it's expectation of me being "a part of it all" just because I like a lot of D in my A, and don't want to fight for the/their right for a ring on my finger for it as well. Fuck 'em! Marriage just 'aint' in my cards.


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#99442 - 05/07/15 08:29 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: MReynolds]
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People that get offended, offend me.


Really? It could be that you are rude, utterly lack social skills and that's why they got offended.

For me, it's littering. Watching someone litter makes me want to punch them in the fucking face. I left a date over it once, dude rolled down the car window, threw a soda can on the ground, so I opened the car door and took off walking. The reason is twofold: the Earth is not a garbage can and some other motherfucker will have to pick your trash up.
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#99485 - 05/08/15 11:43 AM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: FemaleSatan]
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Depending on the mood, you're right. I am quite rude, but not with the intention of pissing off the other person(s). I like to get rises out of people, but in a humorous sort of way. I hate seriousness, so I try to kill it on sight.

My social-skills do blow much of the time, unless while being myself around certain compatable personality types. Mainly foul-mouthed, hyper-active, highly inappropriate persons with little to no filter.

Littering doesn't bother me. I choose not to do it, but why am I going to let what those that do do it bother me? There's no point, because there's nothing I can do about it anyways. I agree that it's sad though, because I do love nature.


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#99488 - 05/08/15 01:21 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: MReynolds]
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In spite of the danger of being a perpetrator myself, I'd say it would be people who can't take a hint. It might seem like this forum would be the last place to find one, but here it is.
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#99493 - 05/08/15 04:15 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: FemaleSatan]
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For me, it's littering. Watching someone litter makes me want to punch them in the fucking face.


Yeap. It's a huge pet-peeve for me as well - easily in my top 3. It's not so much about the whole ecological side of things because, well, I'm sure this planet will be as habitable as Venus eventually (and for roughly the same reasons) - I'm comfy with that.

It's more that "out-of-sight; out-of-mind" / "'can't see it from my backyard" mentality that just irks the ever-loving-shit out of me.

The sole reason this "offends" me is because it is a characteristic I, myself, strive to avoid exhibiting... and it takes effort. Esteem is based entirely on one holding themselves accountable to the same arbitrary standards of behaviour that I consider value-added.

Aside from that, let's see... Lying offends me. Well___ let me think about that... I'll rephrase - being bad at lying offends me. Naturally, I expect a certain level of dishonesty from people - it's a given - built right into my implicit social contract, and free-of-charge. I respect subtly and craft. I do not respect what amounts to insulting my intelligence, and/or powers of observation (traits of mine that I hold in VERY high-regard) by making no effort what-so-ever to make the lie believable. If you're going to lie, you'd better be good at it. Even if I know for a fact that you're lying, if you make the effort to do a 1/2-way decent job of it, you're still OK in my book.

Petty thievery. This is also pretty grimey. The types who shop-lift just to shop-lift, or steal from you what you'd just assume give to them in a heart-beat had they asked. Kleptos, basically. If you're going to steal, go for the gusto, steal a kidney or a car.

Talking shit about my mom - that's another one (though I think I've covered this before. "sorry, for as idiosyncratic as a peeve it may be - that's my mom") fact is she is the coolest person I've ever met on this planet. Insulting her would be to me, what insulting Yoda is to a star-wars fan (the fans who actually 'got' the message - not these Sith academy endorkenment types). "not cool, man. Not cool at all"

Lastly, do not make me be a dick! I don't like having to be a dick - I prefer to go about my business. If I say "I can't do it today, I have too much other shit going on" don't push the issue or negotiate - my first answer is ALWAYS non-negotiable. I'm a straight-shooter. Don't make it a sales-call - at that point you're just wasting my time.

Aside from that... eh... I'm not easily offended.


Edited by antikarmatomic (05/08/15 04:35 PM)
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#99691 - 05/14/15 07:49 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: Azza]
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 Originally Posted By: Azza
Like the title asks? what offends you the most?



Sheeple offend me the most. Fucking zombie, willfully ignorant sheeple. George Carlin said basically that lots of Americans are willfully ignorant sheeple in the below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

The below "Good Will Hunting" Character was not a "sheeple" *Spoiler alert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOZllbNarw

Another anti-sheeple video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1NwLcik2JA

In my opinion, America's Greatest modern military leader, who (arguably) was not a sheeple:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler


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#99698 - 05/14/15 10:45 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: FemaleSatan]
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 Originally Posted By: FemaleSatan
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People that get offended, offend me.


Really? It could be that you are rude, utterly lack social skills and that's why they got offended.

I'm with MR. I get offended by hypersensitive twats who seem to equate righteousness with the propensity to take offense. Rarely is it my lack of social skills, since it's rarely me they're beating their chests and proclaiming themselves "offended" by. When people go looking for shit to get their knickers in a twist over, I don't engage with them at all. I back away quietly and find more interesting company.
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#99737 - 05/15/15 04:18 PM Re: What offends you the most? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I'm much the same way, XiaoGui17. Occasionally though, it is my social-skills (or lack thereof, care for) that cause others to remove themselves from my presence, haha. It is what it is, and I prefer it. I refuse to be anything, but myself, so.. so be it. I have a 'kind', and we get along just fine.

As far as those that go out of their way looking for something/anything that can get under their skin just so that they can make a Facebook post about it, or whatnot.. to Hell with them especially. Drama seems to be a drug for that type.


Edited by MReynolds (05/15/15 04:18 PM)
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