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#26096 - 06/24/09 01:34 AM Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to
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Personal taboos, society taboos and the wisdom to know the difference.


I think it's good to question things and look at every side of different issues. With that in mind examining taboo issues doesn't mean throwing out everything you know and starting from scratch. It means taking what you have learned and seeing different parts of it, expanding on it and finding what fits with your own personal sense of values.

Various groups of people find it taboo to talk about the nazis in any sense but negative, just as some people find it taboo to compare the policy of the state of Israel to Nazi Germany.

In various cultures, it is common for children to be wed or sold off into marriage. As well as turned into child soliders who kill people. Some children work in factories as well.

In some places and points in history, incest was acceptable.

Just as right of first night was acceptable.

In some places, and in points in time, rape was seen as an acceptable war trophy. You kill the children and rape the women so the next generation will belong to the victors.

The ability to look at different issues and take a stand as to what fits into your own set of values is a good thing.

If you stand for nothing, you will fall to anything.

Just because you see yourself as different and outside of the "current mass society" doesn't mean that you can't share some of the values.

Making a conscience decision of a personal value is not a weakness. Questioning taboo things and taking a stand is not a weakness.

If you believe something to be true, stand by your decision, but accept that people will not always agree with you.

I happen to share that my personal taboo falls in line with a current usa society taboo. BFD.

Your views?

Morgan




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#26100 - 06/24/09 02:46 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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In my view everything might be questioned. (Note that I didn't say "must", otherwise you are busy questioning the slightest details).
Questioning things gives the person the ability to understand more of a philosophy, religion, ideology and/or points of view.

In contradiction to what most think: questioning things don't automatically imply discrediting or opposing it. Questioning things is neccesary to get a total perspective about the subject.
It is to achieve a deeper understanding. I might start becoming dogmatic about scriptures, but somehow I will not progress when doing so. Therefor, I ask, wander and question subjects.

But about the taboo's..
Taboo's are chosen by "the masses". Taboo's (as you said morgan) depend on time, culture and place. Taboo's go hand in hand with morals. Breaking a taboo means breaking a moral.
Questioning taboo's IMO is different then breaking them. to question is to ask yourself the "why", breaking them is experiencing. Even so, questioning a taboo is questioning a certain moral. Questioning things is never bad, it can only be annoying if it keeps getting repeated and/or the average tones start to alter from "asking out of curiosity" to "kick the leaves".

As said before, I can question anything I want (I'll just have to look out when it comes to heated subjects). I can read the Satanic Bible, but chances are I will fill it in with my own interpretation. When questioning and discussing it with others I might learn more about their views, I can adapt, learn more and get a better understanding since I have multiple "sources" to help me out or back things up (even though you have to be able to do it yourself).


Edited by Dimitri (06/24/09 02:59 AM)
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#26128 - 06/24/09 03:15 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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Taboos are societal conditioning to make people behave according societal rules. The moment you can rationalize them, in the sense of using logic or ratio, they stop being taboos and become opinions. The difference is that when you are subject to a taboo, you can't accept or tolerate others to have a different opinion, when you rationalize them and form an individual opinion, you realize it is your opinion and that others might come to other conclusions or are having different degrees of affection for certain subjects.

One of the main problems with taboo subjects is that they are emotional subjects to many and merely disagreeing or having a less drastic view tends to trigger weird behavior. Look at abortion issues in certain societal communities and how people that admit to be pro-abortion will be called murderers by some, a strange leap because being pro abortion doesn't imply having an abortion yourself. The same happens when questioning the holocaust as another example. Nine out of ten they are called a nazi. A does not imply B but the tactic is used a lot because taboo affected subjects need to have sinners and by tying them up with the taboo subject, they try to use emotional pressure to reform their thinking. At some level it is pathetic and amusing at the same time.

Not too long ago black and white couples were taboo, gay was taboo, pre-marital sex was taboo, smoking weed was taboo. And society changes and according that change, taboos change. But what doesn't change is that some people can't handle that some have a different opinion about their taboo and it must be converted to a more 'normal' opinion, that is, according the societal one.

I have opinions that are according the societal ones, some that are completely the opposite but they are nothing but my personal opinions, or even personal morals at some levels but none of them is situated in good and evil when it comes to societal behavior. Good and evil are the dichotomy of the mass, the duality of the herd. The art is to go beyond good and evil.

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#26132 - 06/24/09 03:36 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Diavolo]
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I have a theory, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." So we can be wishy washy, amoral, fickle Satanists or we can actually hold strong opinions and in order to be allowed into your personal circle you must uphold these standards/opinions. I'm not an equal opportunity lover, or friend, and at times I'm an opinionated ass when it comes down to my morals and ethics, you ask, I'll share kind of mentality.

Famous philosophers such as St. Augustine and Descartes both were under the pompous opinion that atheists were not to be taken seriously because according to them they held no solid ground and didn't understand what "truth" was. I will agree with truth being subjective because if it wasn't then there wouldn't be so many world religions, there would be one. I think taboos were also a good thing until we entered into the womens lib, feminazi era where we emasculated everything and made it okay for women to treat their bodies as cum receptacles. I don't want my little sister learning this shit! I want her to be strong and independent, but to treat her body with dignity! Taboos are a wonderful thing if only society would actually stand for something instead of falling for everything ;\)

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#26145 - 06/24/09 06:29 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I think taboos were also a good thing until we entered into the womens lib, feminazi era where we emasculated everything and made it okay for women to treat their bodies as cum receptacles. I don't want my little sister learning this shit!


So by proxy you think that women shouldn't be allowed to "treat their bodies as cum receptacles"? I am assuming that you a referring to porn, so to hell with you, I am big porn fan. I am all for women using their bodies in whatever way makes them happy, and if they can make some money doing it all the better. No offense intended but your sister probably will learn that stuff whether you like it or not.

Now onto the matter at hand

The thing about taboos that is funny, to me, is that they will vary between person to person and region to region but at the same time there also exists "universal taboos".

What I mean by universal taboos is moral judgements and ethics that are adopted or shared by most "normal" people. Those are nothing more than ways to insure a better quality of existence for all concerned parties.

An example:

Rape is taboo, whether it be foricble or just mere bedroom foreplay or pornography. Most people agree with the former and I know there are those of would try to keep people from exposure to the latter. For this, though, I am speaking about forcible rape. I almost don't want to use this example as the topic is getting kind of stale but it fits so I will use it.

Even though most people agree that rape is wrong some will do it anyway. If someone were to rape someone I cared about it would likely lead to break another taboo: the taking of a life.

It wouldn't matter to me if my target wasn't a subsrciber of the rape taboo, because to me it is wrong and someone I cared about was subject to it. It also wouldn't matter to me that killing was taboo because at that point I would be right in my own mind.

I am sure there are many people who would do the same. As such most of don't go around raping people meaning most of us also don't feel the need to go around killing people. This makes life enjoyable for all of. Except for maybe the rapists \:D

Taboos will not always be agreed upon everyone and will often change from time to time much. What was once abhored is now perfectly acceptable and what was once pergectly acceptable is now abhored.

There is a great show on National Geographic Channel called "Taboo" that discusses taboos in different places. Pretty interesting watch. You can learn alot about a society from what is forbidden.
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#26178 - 06/25/09 12:57 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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No offense taken. I respect your opinion and you should respect mine as well. The forum environment is intended for 2 things and 2 things only A)Networking. Whether it be social networking, business networking or any other kind. B) giving opinions. Since the world of science and religion is neither provable or dis-provable all we're left with is opinions/theories.

My sister will surely be taught by her stupid little pretty friends that it's okay to fuck whomever she wants, my mother has already instilled in her that when she's old enough she can also dress any way she wants. She will be growing up in a world where sex is meaningless and trivial, devoid of passion and cheap. She will have a big brother to tell her that good men and women still exist in the world and that I will not go along with everything she does. She will KNOW when she fucks up, and she will be praised when she does well. My sister will not fall victim to PC bullshit, and whatever sex and the city says it's okay for her to do. My sister will be someone to respect because she has respectable people to learn from. I almost lost my shit on her when I saw her running around the house in booty shorts. I told my mom that she cannot be allowed out of the house like that. She needs to have respect for her body and understand the psychological reasoning behind what she is doing. Luckily I found out that she only bops around the house like that and they do NOT allow her to go anywhere like that.

Taboos are a wonderful thing. I wish we could go back to the days when women were not allowed to show too much leg. WE, as a society, actually stood for something, now we fall victim to everything. Go ahead, make yourself visually stimulating to the masses! Just don't come crying to me when your boyfriend doesn't respect you because you dress like a floozie. Just remember how the men looked in that time period too, they were clothed and often times dressed very dapper. The 40's were such a good time! Short of the racial taboos at the time.

Now while admittedly I am in fact a misogynist, I do love the fact that women are getting to be in the same positions as men. I love the fact that some women actually make a good living and don't leech off of men for support. I love the sense of independence, I love the fact that they can vote. However, there are many things that I hate about women. I am not a controlling man, I am not here to play anyone's daddy. I admire strong independent women with a healthy sense of self respect. Unfortunately women have lost respect for men, and thus given men like me reason to lose respect for them. We cannot lose sight of the past because it has shaped us into the society we are today. Some of our past is still very beneficial to us today, we just choose to opt out in favor of the new sexual trend for this era. Women used to care about themselves, look at them now.

We are creating a society that says "anything goes" as long as you hurt no one. Some things only hurt yourself, but this is okay because it's legal. Makes perfect sense! Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not legislating my morality on you, I am stating my opinions. Taboos were good things man! Bring em' back!

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#26182 - 06/25/09 01:14 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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How old is your sister? I think its good that you are looking out for her, but be careful of trying to mould her into the girlfriend type that you want.

"WE, as a society, actually stood for something, now we fall victim to everything."

"Unfortunately women have lost respect for men, and thus given men like me reason to lose respect for them."

"Some of our past is still very beneficial to us today, we just choose to opt out in favor of the new sexual trend for this era. Women used to care about themselves, look at them now."

Just curious, why do you take a blanketed view to everything?

Morgan
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#26184 - 06/25/09 01:31 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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My sister is 12 and starting to fill out. I'm worried what will happen to her as she matures and is treated like shit by men. I don't want to mold her into a form of my ideal girlfriend. I want to mold her into a respectable lady, someone that people will look up to. I have a very tough position to play as an older sibling with a dark history. I am expected to be a role model, not a wishy washy, fickle, spineless, amoral monkey. I actually have standards first and foremost for myself and secondly for her to live up to. I refuse to let society brain wash my sister into thinking that she is just an object.

Morgan, this has been brought to my attention on another forum. So i need to thank you in advance for these simple yet straight forward questions...

I take a blanketed view of women because I see common trends in their habits, morals, and sexuality. Judging by your openess to portray yourself as a sexually liberated creature, I see a mixture of good things and bad things in your avatar. I view this liberation as a sort of confinement, a sort of prison you are enveloping yourself in. What I mean by this is on the surface you are tantalizing, buxom, and beautiful. A woman with curves to make LaVey's ashes speak your name. On the inside I see a woman who delights in tantalizing men for purposes of your choosing but not without paying the devil his due. Your fee will be exacted in the way that men will not treat you as someone to keep around (unless you are married! LOL!), you will become mere entertainment guised in sexuality. This liberation will make you appear powerful in the eyes of women envying you, but confine you in men's traditional views of a "bring home to momma" type. Most men I know will not stay with a woman they picked up from any kind of club. They prefer women that are a bit more reserved.

Now this is just a hunch Morgan and I'm not meaning this offensively. Just an observation based on your persona, and one I could be completely wrong about. I usually see the good and bad in people. But underlying it all are psychological reasons. I'm curious as to what you think.

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#26186 - 06/25/09 01:40 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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I understand wanting to protect a little sister, I have one of my own, and I can also understanding not wanting to be with a girl who doesn't respect herself, I feel the same way, but it seems as if you feel all women should have to fit with your ideals.

You say that you like how women are able to be in the same positions as men, but what about when concerning promiscuity? I never hear anyone say a man doesn't have respect for himself because he likes to sleep around.
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#26187 - 06/25/09 01:53 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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LOL! I'm not a double standard holder sir. I am not wishy washy in my views. My standards are not unattainable. My standards are not unrealistic. I have high hopes for my family, and unfortunately they are merely hopes. I want a bright future for my sister, not a bleak one predestined by stupid people and TV.

I think men might suffer from some other sort of psychological ailment when they are sluts. I also do not admire men that brag constantly about how many women they fucked this month. For the record I am celibate by the way. Well, celibate for the time being anyways. Sorry if my anger is transparent. So yes, being sexually appealing to women from a man's perspective is something to brag about, and also strokes the man's ego. If he can appear superior to other men when he is getting many a ladies attention, he feels better about himself. This is no different than a bully complex who feels better about himself by asserting dominance physically over someone else. It's machismo bullshit. I like to lift weights and watch fights too but I don't let sex rule my life. It speaks volumes about someone's character when they master their urges. That's all this is is just a test of strength and discipline. I don't do this because I'm ugly or a crazy fundamentalist.

Sorry if this is out of order here... and yes again. I do feel as if all women should fit my standards. My world and yours would be a much more successful and exciting place if we were all held to my utopian ideals. LOL! Pipe dream for sure because I know that people aren't capable of being decent and disciplined like me. Sad, but a man can hope right?

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#26188 - 06/25/09 02:03 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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I never said your standards were unrealistic or unattainable, though they might very well be. I was just saying that it seems like you expect all women, whether their choices affect you or not, should measure up to that standard.

I used to be a man-slut. Not really a psychological ailment but more of a game. I was never one to brag about my sexual conquests. But I am in a great relationship with a wonderful,beautiful girl and I will most certainly brag about that.

Just because a woman likes to feel sexually desirable does not mean that she can't control her urges. Women, just like men, get a self-esteem boost from being desired. I see nothing wrong with that.
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#26190 - 06/25/09 02:26 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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it's a trap. Plain and simple. When you start trapping yourself into judging your worth based on people's opinion of you, you negate your individuality, pride, and integrity. I am not my relationships. I am not my fruit of the loom underwear. I am not my muscles. I am not my outward persona. I judge my worth based on my values and terms, not some woman's. A dominating difference between men and women is women define themselves by their relationships, whereas men define themselves by what they do.

We all want to be adored/liked/lusted/etc... but I am not most men. I still enjoy the feeling of being desired, but I'm looking for something more meaningful. Most people I come into contact with view sex as a cardio-vascular exercise. I want a woman to love the whole package, and boy lemme tell you what, this man can cook! I have many good qualities that are overlooked by my physique and my youth. Older women assume that I'm some kind of stud, a good fuck. LOL! If they only knew how I felt about sex!

Again this is out of order. Sex is not a game. We are all old enough to put high school behind us;)

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#26194 - 06/25/09 02:40 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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Thank you for your honest response.
Cool, it sounds like you are doing a good thing for your sister so far. lol, you will have your hands full when she is older and starts dating. It sounds like you are taking on more of a father role than a brother role.

"I judge my worth based on my values and terms, not some woman's"

Funny, that's how I think.
I base my worth on my own values and terms, not a man's.
I am actually quite the picky bitch and dont take people home.
If someone can not make or match my high standards then they never get past "hi" let alone a phone number.

I dont define myself by a relationship, I define myself.

I am who I am.

Don't group all women together, Satanist women are a completely different breed.

Morgan
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#26196 - 06/25/09 02:47 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
it's a trap. Plain and simple. When you start trapping yourself into judging your worth based on people's opinion of you, you negate your individuality, pride, and integrity.


What are you on about?

Much of my literal worth is based on other people's opinion of me. The same can be said about you and everyone else. That doesn't mean I am negating any pride, individuality or integrity. Having integrity will raise people's opinion of you, which can really help you out. This in turn will give you pride. No individuality is lost because I can still be who I am through all of that, and I can assure you that I am not everyone else.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I am not my relationships. I am not my fruit of the loom underwear. I am not my muscles. I am not my outward persona. I judge my worth based on my values and terms, not some woman's.


Fightclub-esque rant aside; what makes you think that I think you judge your worth based on a womans values and terms?

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
A dominating difference between men and women is women define themselves by their relationships, whereas men define themselves by what they do.


That is a very ignorant statement.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I'm looking for something more meaningful. Most people I come into contact with view sex as a cardio-vascular exercise. I want a woman to love the whole package, and boy lemme tell you what, this man can cook! I have many good qualities that are overlooked by my physique and my youth. Older women assume that I'm some kind of stud, a good fuck.


That kind of sounds like a personal add. Freaky.

Sex is an excerise though, one of the best (burns alot of calories) though it can be more than that sometimes. We have strayed from the original topic though.

It seems to me you harbor some latent hatred for women. If this is indeed true, I do not presume to know the reason(s). Judging from your attitude about women though I am assuming your celibacy isn't only your choice.
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#26202 - 06/25/09 03:13 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Okay, past taboo; showing too much leg. good or bad? what do you think, we already know my opinion.
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