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#26096 - 06/24/09 01:34 AM Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to
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Personal taboos, society taboos and the wisdom to know the difference.


I think it's good to question things and look at every side of different issues. With that in mind examining taboo issues doesn't mean throwing out everything you know and starting from scratch. It means taking what you have learned and seeing different parts of it, expanding on it and finding what fits with your own personal sense of values.

Various groups of people find it taboo to talk about the nazis in any sense but negative, just as some people find it taboo to compare the policy of the state of Israel to Nazi Germany.

In various cultures, it is common for children to be wed or sold off into marriage. As well as turned into child soliders who kill people. Some children work in factories as well.

In some places and points in history, incest was acceptable.

Just as right of first night was acceptable.

In some places, and in points in time, rape was seen as an acceptable war trophy. You kill the children and rape the women so the next generation will belong to the victors.

The ability to look at different issues and take a stand as to what fits into your own set of values is a good thing.

If you stand for nothing, you will fall to anything.

Just because you see yourself as different and outside of the "current mass society" doesn't mean that you can't share some of the values.

Making a conscience decision of a personal value is not a weakness. Questioning taboo things and taking a stand is not a weakness.

If you believe something to be true, stand by your decision, but accept that people will not always agree with you.

I happen to share that my personal taboo falls in line with a current usa society taboo. BFD.

Your views?

Morgan




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#26100 - 06/24/09 02:46 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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In my view everything might be questioned. (Note that I didn't say "must", otherwise you are busy questioning the slightest details).
Questioning things gives the person the ability to understand more of a philosophy, religion, ideology and/or points of view.

In contradiction to what most think: questioning things don't automatically imply discrediting or opposing it. Questioning things is neccesary to get a total perspective about the subject.
It is to achieve a deeper understanding. I might start becoming dogmatic about scriptures, but somehow I will not progress when doing so. Therefor, I ask, wander and question subjects.

But about the taboo's..
Taboo's are chosen by "the masses". Taboo's (as you said morgan) depend on time, culture and place. Taboo's go hand in hand with morals. Breaking a taboo means breaking a moral.
Questioning taboo's IMO is different then breaking them. to question is to ask yourself the "why", breaking them is experiencing. Even so, questioning a taboo is questioning a certain moral. Questioning things is never bad, it can only be annoying if it keeps getting repeated and/or the average tones start to alter from "asking out of curiosity" to "kick the leaves".

As said before, I can question anything I want (I'll just have to look out when it comes to heated subjects). I can read the Satanic Bible, but chances are I will fill it in with my own interpretation. When questioning and discussing it with others I might learn more about their views, I can adapt, learn more and get a better understanding since I have multiple "sources" to help me out or back things up (even though you have to be able to do it yourself).


Edited by Dimitri (06/24/09 02:59 AM)
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#26128 - 06/24/09 03:15 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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Taboos are societal conditioning to make people behave according societal rules. The moment you can rationalize them, in the sense of using logic or ratio, they stop being taboos and become opinions. The difference is that when you are subject to a taboo, you can't accept or tolerate others to have a different opinion, when you rationalize them and form an individual opinion, you realize it is your opinion and that others might come to other conclusions or are having different degrees of affection for certain subjects.

One of the main problems with taboo subjects is that they are emotional subjects to many and merely disagreeing or having a less drastic view tends to trigger weird behavior. Look at abortion issues in certain societal communities and how people that admit to be pro-abortion will be called murderers by some, a strange leap because being pro abortion doesn't imply having an abortion yourself. The same happens when questioning the holocaust as another example. Nine out of ten they are called a nazi. A does not imply B but the tactic is used a lot because taboo affected subjects need to have sinners and by tying them up with the taboo subject, they try to use emotional pressure to reform their thinking. At some level it is pathetic and amusing at the same time.

Not too long ago black and white couples were taboo, gay was taboo, pre-marital sex was taboo, smoking weed was taboo. And society changes and according that change, taboos change. But what doesn't change is that some people can't handle that some have a different opinion about their taboo and it must be converted to a more 'normal' opinion, that is, according the societal one.

I have opinions that are according the societal ones, some that are completely the opposite but they are nothing but my personal opinions, or even personal morals at some levels but none of them is situated in good and evil when it comes to societal behavior. Good and evil are the dichotomy of the mass, the duality of the herd. The art is to go beyond good and evil.

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#26132 - 06/24/09 03:36 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Diavolo]
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I have a theory, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." So we can be wishy washy, amoral, fickle Satanists or we can actually hold strong opinions and in order to be allowed into your personal circle you must uphold these standards/opinions. I'm not an equal opportunity lover, or friend, and at times I'm an opinionated ass when it comes down to my morals and ethics, you ask, I'll share kind of mentality.

Famous philosophers such as St. Augustine and Descartes both were under the pompous opinion that atheists were not to be taken seriously because according to them they held no solid ground and didn't understand what "truth" was. I will agree with truth being subjective because if it wasn't then there wouldn't be so many world religions, there would be one. I think taboos were also a good thing until we entered into the womens lib, feminazi era where we emasculated everything and made it okay for women to treat their bodies as cum receptacles. I don't want my little sister learning this shit! I want her to be strong and independent, but to treat her body with dignity! Taboos are a wonderful thing if only society would actually stand for something instead of falling for everything ;\)

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#26145 - 06/24/09 06:29 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I think taboos were also a good thing until we entered into the womens lib, feminazi era where we emasculated everything and made it okay for women to treat their bodies as cum receptacles. I don't want my little sister learning this shit!


So by proxy you think that women shouldn't be allowed to "treat their bodies as cum receptacles"? I am assuming that you a referring to porn, so to hell with you, I am big porn fan. I am all for women using their bodies in whatever way makes them happy, and if they can make some money doing it all the better. No offense intended but your sister probably will learn that stuff whether you like it or not.

Now onto the matter at hand

The thing about taboos that is funny, to me, is that they will vary between person to person and region to region but at the same time there also exists "universal taboos".

What I mean by universal taboos is moral judgements and ethics that are adopted or shared by most "normal" people. Those are nothing more than ways to insure a better quality of existence for all concerned parties.

An example:

Rape is taboo, whether it be foricble or just mere bedroom foreplay or pornography. Most people agree with the former and I know there are those of would try to keep people from exposure to the latter. For this, though, I am speaking about forcible rape. I almost don't want to use this example as the topic is getting kind of stale but it fits so I will use it.

Even though most people agree that rape is wrong some will do it anyway. If someone were to rape someone I cared about it would likely lead to break another taboo: the taking of a life.

It wouldn't matter to me if my target wasn't a subsrciber of the rape taboo, because to me it is wrong and someone I cared about was subject to it. It also wouldn't matter to me that killing was taboo because at that point I would be right in my own mind.

I am sure there are many people who would do the same. As such most of don't go around raping people meaning most of us also don't feel the need to go around killing people. This makes life enjoyable for all of. Except for maybe the rapists \:D

Taboos will not always be agreed upon everyone and will often change from time to time much. What was once abhored is now perfectly acceptable and what was once pergectly acceptable is now abhored.

There is a great show on National Geographic Channel called "Taboo" that discusses taboos in different places. Pretty interesting watch. You can learn alot about a society from what is forbidden.
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#26178 - 06/25/09 12:57 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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No offense taken. I respect your opinion and you should respect mine as well. The forum environment is intended for 2 things and 2 things only A)Networking. Whether it be social networking, business networking or any other kind. B) giving opinions. Since the world of science and religion is neither provable or dis-provable all we're left with is opinions/theories.

My sister will surely be taught by her stupid little pretty friends that it's okay to fuck whomever she wants, my mother has already instilled in her that when she's old enough she can also dress any way she wants. She will be growing up in a world where sex is meaningless and trivial, devoid of passion and cheap. She will have a big brother to tell her that good men and women still exist in the world and that I will not go along with everything she does. She will KNOW when she fucks up, and she will be praised when she does well. My sister will not fall victim to PC bullshit, and whatever sex and the city says it's okay for her to do. My sister will be someone to respect because she has respectable people to learn from. I almost lost my shit on her when I saw her running around the house in booty shorts. I told my mom that she cannot be allowed out of the house like that. She needs to have respect for her body and understand the psychological reasoning behind what she is doing. Luckily I found out that she only bops around the house like that and they do NOT allow her to go anywhere like that.

Taboos are a wonderful thing. I wish we could go back to the days when women were not allowed to show too much leg. WE, as a society, actually stood for something, now we fall victim to everything. Go ahead, make yourself visually stimulating to the masses! Just don't come crying to me when your boyfriend doesn't respect you because you dress like a floozie. Just remember how the men looked in that time period too, they were clothed and often times dressed very dapper. The 40's were such a good time! Short of the racial taboos at the time.

Now while admittedly I am in fact a misogynist, I do love the fact that women are getting to be in the same positions as men. I love the fact that some women actually make a good living and don't leech off of men for support. I love the sense of independence, I love the fact that they can vote. However, there are many things that I hate about women. I am not a controlling man, I am not here to play anyone's daddy. I admire strong independent women with a healthy sense of self respect. Unfortunately women have lost respect for men, and thus given men like me reason to lose respect for them. We cannot lose sight of the past because it has shaped us into the society we are today. Some of our past is still very beneficial to us today, we just choose to opt out in favor of the new sexual trend for this era. Women used to care about themselves, look at them now.

We are creating a society that says "anything goes" as long as you hurt no one. Some things only hurt yourself, but this is okay because it's legal. Makes perfect sense! Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not legislating my morality on you, I am stating my opinions. Taboos were good things man! Bring em' back!

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#26182 - 06/25/09 01:14 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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How old is your sister? I think its good that you are looking out for her, but be careful of trying to mould her into the girlfriend type that you want.

"WE, as a society, actually stood for something, now we fall victim to everything."

"Unfortunately women have lost respect for men, and thus given men like me reason to lose respect for them."

"Some of our past is still very beneficial to us today, we just choose to opt out in favor of the new sexual trend for this era. Women used to care about themselves, look at them now."

Just curious, why do you take a blanketed view to everything?

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#26184 - 06/25/09 01:31 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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My sister is 12 and starting to fill out. I'm worried what will happen to her as she matures and is treated like shit by men. I don't want to mold her into a form of my ideal girlfriend. I want to mold her into a respectable lady, someone that people will look up to. I have a very tough position to play as an older sibling with a dark history. I am expected to be a role model, not a wishy washy, fickle, spineless, amoral monkey. I actually have standards first and foremost for myself and secondly for her to live up to. I refuse to let society brain wash my sister into thinking that she is just an object.

Morgan, this has been brought to my attention on another forum. So i need to thank you in advance for these simple yet straight forward questions...

I take a blanketed view of women because I see common trends in their habits, morals, and sexuality. Judging by your openess to portray yourself as a sexually liberated creature, I see a mixture of good things and bad things in your avatar. I view this liberation as a sort of confinement, a sort of prison you are enveloping yourself in. What I mean by this is on the surface you are tantalizing, buxom, and beautiful. A woman with curves to make LaVey's ashes speak your name. On the inside I see a woman who delights in tantalizing men for purposes of your choosing but not without paying the devil his due. Your fee will be exacted in the way that men will not treat you as someone to keep around (unless you are married! LOL!), you will become mere entertainment guised in sexuality. This liberation will make you appear powerful in the eyes of women envying you, but confine you in men's traditional views of a "bring home to momma" type. Most men I know will not stay with a woman they picked up from any kind of club. They prefer women that are a bit more reserved.

Now this is just a hunch Morgan and I'm not meaning this offensively. Just an observation based on your persona, and one I could be completely wrong about. I usually see the good and bad in people. But underlying it all are psychological reasons. I'm curious as to what you think.

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#26186 - 06/25/09 01:40 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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I understand wanting to protect a little sister, I have one of my own, and I can also understanding not wanting to be with a girl who doesn't respect herself, I feel the same way, but it seems as if you feel all women should have to fit with your ideals.

You say that you like how women are able to be in the same positions as men, but what about when concerning promiscuity? I never hear anyone say a man doesn't have respect for himself because he likes to sleep around.
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#26187 - 06/25/09 01:53 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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LOL! I'm not a double standard holder sir. I am not wishy washy in my views. My standards are not unattainable. My standards are not unrealistic. I have high hopes for my family, and unfortunately they are merely hopes. I want a bright future for my sister, not a bleak one predestined by stupid people and TV.

I think men might suffer from some other sort of psychological ailment when they are sluts. I also do not admire men that brag constantly about how many women they fucked this month. For the record I am celibate by the way. Well, celibate for the time being anyways. Sorry if my anger is transparent. So yes, being sexually appealing to women from a man's perspective is something to brag about, and also strokes the man's ego. If he can appear superior to other men when he is getting many a ladies attention, he feels better about himself. This is no different than a bully complex who feels better about himself by asserting dominance physically over someone else. It's machismo bullshit. I like to lift weights and watch fights too but I don't let sex rule my life. It speaks volumes about someone's character when they master their urges. That's all this is is just a test of strength and discipline. I don't do this because I'm ugly or a crazy fundamentalist.

Sorry if this is out of order here... and yes again. I do feel as if all women should fit my standards. My world and yours would be a much more successful and exciting place if we were all held to my utopian ideals. LOL! Pipe dream for sure because I know that people aren't capable of being decent and disciplined like me. Sad, but a man can hope right?

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#26188 - 06/25/09 02:03 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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I never said your standards were unrealistic or unattainable, though they might very well be. I was just saying that it seems like you expect all women, whether their choices affect you or not, should measure up to that standard.

I used to be a man-slut. Not really a psychological ailment but more of a game. I was never one to brag about my sexual conquests. But I am in a great relationship with a wonderful,beautiful girl and I will most certainly brag about that.

Just because a woman likes to feel sexually desirable does not mean that she can't control her urges. Women, just like men, get a self-esteem boost from being desired. I see nothing wrong with that.
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#26190 - 06/25/09 02:26 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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it's a trap. Plain and simple. When you start trapping yourself into judging your worth based on people's opinion of you, you negate your individuality, pride, and integrity. I am not my relationships. I am not my fruit of the loom underwear. I am not my muscles. I am not my outward persona. I judge my worth based on my values and terms, not some woman's. A dominating difference between men and women is women define themselves by their relationships, whereas men define themselves by what they do.

We all want to be adored/liked/lusted/etc... but I am not most men. I still enjoy the feeling of being desired, but I'm looking for something more meaningful. Most people I come into contact with view sex as a cardio-vascular exercise. I want a woman to love the whole package, and boy lemme tell you what, this man can cook! I have many good qualities that are overlooked by my physique and my youth. Older women assume that I'm some kind of stud, a good fuck. LOL! If they only knew how I felt about sex!

Again this is out of order. Sex is not a game. We are all old enough to put high school behind us;)

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#26194 - 06/25/09 02:40 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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Thank you for your honest response.
Cool, it sounds like you are doing a good thing for your sister so far. lol, you will have your hands full when she is older and starts dating. It sounds like you are taking on more of a father role than a brother role.

"I judge my worth based on my values and terms, not some woman's"

Funny, that's how I think.
I base my worth on my own values and terms, not a man's.
I am actually quite the picky bitch and dont take people home.
If someone can not make or match my high standards then they never get past "hi" let alone a phone number.

I dont define myself by a relationship, I define myself.

I am who I am.

Don't group all women together, Satanist women are a completely different breed.

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#26196 - 06/25/09 02:47 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
it's a trap. Plain and simple. When you start trapping yourself into judging your worth based on people's opinion of you, you negate your individuality, pride, and integrity.


What are you on about?

Much of my literal worth is based on other people's opinion of me. The same can be said about you and everyone else. That doesn't mean I am negating any pride, individuality or integrity. Having integrity will raise people's opinion of you, which can really help you out. This in turn will give you pride. No individuality is lost because I can still be who I am through all of that, and I can assure you that I am not everyone else.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I am not my relationships. I am not my fruit of the loom underwear. I am not my muscles. I am not my outward persona. I judge my worth based on my values and terms, not some woman's.


Fightclub-esque rant aside; what makes you think that I think you judge your worth based on a womans values and terms?

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
A dominating difference between men and women is women define themselves by their relationships, whereas men define themselves by what they do.


That is a very ignorant statement.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I'm looking for something more meaningful. Most people I come into contact with view sex as a cardio-vascular exercise. I want a woman to love the whole package, and boy lemme tell you what, this man can cook! I have many good qualities that are overlooked by my physique and my youth. Older women assume that I'm some kind of stud, a good fuck.


That kind of sounds like a personal add. Freaky.

Sex is an excerise though, one of the best (burns alot of calories) though it can be more than that sometimes. We have strayed from the original topic though.

It seems to me you harbor some latent hatred for women. If this is indeed true, I do not presume to know the reason(s). Judging from your attitude about women though I am assuming your celibacy isn't only your choice.
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#26202 - 06/25/09 03:13 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Okay, past taboo; showing too much leg. good or bad? what do you think, we already know my opinion.
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#26310 - 06/26/09 05:04 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Why would you assume anything? Isn't assumption "The Mother of All Fuck Ups?" It is completely my choice and have had many offers, but the women offering were not of good breeding stock, and lacked discipline, strength, wisdom, and dedication. I'm not going to elaborate on this too much more except this...Why shouldn't I hate women? Have they given me any reason to respect them when they don't respect themselves? How do you respect people like that? Gender aside, do you respect people that don't respect themselves?
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#26315 - 06/26/09 06:39 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
Why would you assume anything? Isn't assumption "The Mother of All Fuck Ups?"


Yeah,I have heard that before. An assumption is really nothing more than a judgement call, though. We all make judgements, everyday, some good, some not so good. Since you admit to hating women I am willing to bet that my assumption is indeed correct.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
It is completely my choice and have had many offers, but the women offering were not of good breeding stock, and lacked discipline, strength, wisdom, and dedication.


You are right that it is completely your choice. I will not even attempt to argue against that statement. But am I to believe that you view sex as being only for procreation? Where have I heard that before? \:\/

I don't know what discipline, strength, wisdom or dedication have to do with getting laid. Then again I view sex as something more than a way to propogate the species.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
Why shouldn't I hate women? Have they given me any reason to respect them when they don't respect themselves? How do you respect people like that? Gender aside, do you respect people that don't respect themselves?


So because there are women out there who you feel don't respect themselves enough and don't meet up with your standards you hate all women? What a sad, lonely existence you must lead with an attitude like that.

Gender aside, I do find it hard to respect someone that doesn't respect themselves. That really all depends on what you consider as being self disrespecting though. That doesn't mean I am going to lump everyone in one big group and hate them all because of the actions of a few.

I know girls who are beautiful, have amazing bodies and like to show them off by wearing revealing clothing. You would probably consider that as a sign of someone who does not respect themself. Because of that you also would have no respect for them.

Being that I know these women I can tell you they do indeed respect themselves. We will go to a bar, and because of they way they look, they will have their drinks bought for them all night. They don't go home with random guys from the bar either, as you might like to assume.

In addition to them getting free drinks it also helps me out. By being seen with these beatiful women, by other beautiful women it makes them think that I am desirable.(yet another way personal value or worth is determined by anothers opinion) That is not say that I don't think I am desirable on my own, but whatever helps. At least was the case when I was single, but I digress.

You talk alot about people not having self respect, lacking discipline, dedication etc. ad nauseum. In anoter thread you mentioned being in prison. Sounds like you lack self respect, discipline, dedication yourself. I didn't want to bring up the prison thing as it wasn't mentioned in this thread but you annoy the shit out of me and need to get off your damn high horse.

That being said this will most likely be the last time I respond to you. Fish in a barrel.
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#26317 - 06/26/09 07:29 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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How are you capable of making judgments based on a lack of knowledge? People that lack knowledge are not capable of making judgments or assumptions. I am a self professed misogynist but I do respect a few women, I could count these select few on one hand. There are numerous reasons why they have earned respect. I am not an equal opportunity lover or friend. You have to earn your way into my graces.

Sex is something that exists on many levels, for some perhaps even bordering on a "spiritual" event. If you've done any research into Tantra you would realize the many levels superseding mere procreation and "exercise". I've been learning that most Satanists would be happier with the term "animal" than "civilized", and often times prefer gut instinct over intelligent reason. I called one poseur a neanderthal and he took it as a compliment. I can see why but I take human nature a bit more deeply than most. The reason sex is viewed the way it is now is because both sexes continuously cheapen it. If that's how you want to be, that is your prerogative. I just wish people looked at sex as a more meaningful encounter and a sense of bonding between 2 people. Key word "wish", LOL!

So, you're saying that it shows discipline when sluts, either male or female, sleep around just to get their rocks off? Instead of waiting for a genuinely good thing they go for anything that buys them enough drinks or gives them enough compliments? Wouldn't a better gauge of discipline be a man or woman that waits a few months to make sure this person is even worth fucking before engaging in an act that is ONLY a means to an end for one person? I don't know about you but I don't think that just because I can fuck, means I should fuck. This is backwards logic. I am of good stock and I don't want to waste my genetic makeup on someone that I couldn't even see myself with a few years down the road. I am what is called a "Grown Up." I make big boy decisions based on real life terms. Most impulsive animals, such as Satanists, rarely ever play the tape all the way through. There is a possibility that I could knock some woman up and I don't want her to kill my child before it's born and I want it to have a good stab at life, so I choose my battles wisely. And, I don't want to bring home some floozie to my parents or my friends.

This last tangent you go off on is rather amusing. But I can honestly concur with you on a few things. The first being that it might not be outwardly obvious that these women don't respect themselves. You may not be able to pick it up. So let me sum this up in the form of questions...Do you feel like it shows respect for a woman when she flaunts herself around as an object for the desire and admiration of men? Could she not accomplish the same thing, without showing as much insecurity, by wearing more clothing? Would she be even more empowering by not giving a shit what men think of her? Maybe this is a question for Morgan, because she claims to respect herself and keeps company with well rounded men. One thing we didn't notice was whether or not there is some level of insecurity involved with women being attention whores, or using the attention for materialistic gains. I work hard for my money so I would buy my own goddamned drinks.

As for the prison thing...To assume people never change and the most idiotic assumption that, "once a criminal, always a criminal." is by far the most un-intelligent thing I have heard come out of your mouth. For one thing, you are NOT a criminal and probably don't understand the criminal mentality, psychology, or underworld. Secondly you only hear about men fucking up and going back to prison. You never hear success stories like mine. So I'll leave you with half assed biased opinions and let you assume such nonsense as, "once a cheater, always a cheater." or whatever ludicrous assumptions you have designed for yourself

This is almost like the cat calling the kettle black. I am hyper aware of my flaws and work on them every day. I'm not an arrogant elitist that thinks he shits rainbows.

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#26322 - 06/26/09 09:31 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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You never responded to my previous questions, but whatever....

"Do you feel like it shows respect for a woman when she flaunts herself around as an object for the desire and admiration of men?"

Its about the same as some guy posting an image of himself flexing a forearm. You do it to please yourself.

"Could she not accomplish the same thing, without showing as much insecurity, by wearing more clothing?"

Sure, my previous icon was of me at the age of 5 showing the same attitude I have now. Wheater I wear clothes or not or dress to tease, I am always myself. I never suffer fools lightly, it has nothing to do with insecurity.

"Would she be even more empowering by not giving a shit what men think of her?"

I dont give a shit about wat people think. You are assumming that a woman must do this, dress for a man always. As I said before, dont lump all women together, Satanic women are a breed apart from the herd.

"Maybe this is a question for Morgan, because she claims to respect herself and keeps company with well rounded men."

I dont have to claim anything, I know who my friends are, and I know who I am.

"One thing we didn't notice was whether or not there is some level of insecurity involved with women being attention whores,"

You could use the same question in regards to a man who posts images of himself, and keeps pushing for attention and confirmation of his personal beliefs. While in another post states how he likes womens legs, and yet in another thread states how they should be covered up more.

"or using the attention for materialistic gains."

People use all sorts of methods for material gain. Car salesmen, actors, pitchmen, housewives, and priests. Its about what can I get for doing the least amount of work.

"I work hard for my money so I would buy my own goddamned drinks."

So what? I buy my own as well. Big Fucking Deal, who cares? With the amount of jack-offs and scum running around most women buy their own drinks so they aren't drugged or are standing next to the guy so it never touches his hand.

Who gives a fuck? This isn't e-harmony as someone said before. Its not a satanic lets make a deal. Your beliefs, in my opinion fall more into line with a personal fetish of a 1940's housewife.

I'm not saying your personal beliefs are bad, just not really a taboo in current society.

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#26323 - 06/26/09 09:38 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
Sex is something that exists on many levels, for some perhaps even bordering on a "spiritual" event. If you've done any research into Tantra you would realize the many levels superseding mere procreation and "exercise".


If you had actually read what I wrote you would know that I already as addressed that.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
So, you're saying that it shows discipline when sluts, either male or female, sleep around just to get their rocks off?


No, I didn't say that at all.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
Instead of waiting for a genuinely good thing they go for anything that buys them enough drinks or gives them enough compliments?


Again, if you had actually read the post you would know that I said the opposite of that. Specifically that they do NOT go home with the guys.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
Most impulsive animals, such as Satanists, rarely ever play the tape all the way through.


No, the Satanist realizes that acting on impulse is not the best thing to do. The true Satanist will weigh the consequences of their actions before acting. This of course might not always be true as humans do make mistakes, but for the most part they "should" be smarter than that.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
"once a criminal, always a criminal." is by far the most un-intelligent thing I have heard come out of your mouth.


What post did you read because I never said that. You like to put words in peoples' mouths don't you?

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
For one thing, you are NOT a criminal and probably don't understand the criminal mentality, psychology, or underworld.


Actually I had my share of trouble in the past. Nothing major but I did spend some time in the county jail. So I understand alot more than you might think.


 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
I'll leave you with half assed biased opinions and let you assume such nonsense as, "once a cheater, always a cheater." or whatever ludicrous assumptions you have designed for yourself


Stop quoting me as saying things I never said. Are you high or something? You keep imagining things were said that were in fact not said.

 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
This is almost like the cat calling the kettle black.


The phrase you are looking for is "the pot calling the kettle black". That doesn't really apply to anything that was said here.
Now I really am done with you though. Come back once you have learn to read properly and stop making stuff up.
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#26332 - 06/27/09 01:44 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I don't quite understand the quote function here so I'll make due.

"Sounds like you lack self respect, discipline, dedication yourself. I didn't want to bring up the prison thing as it wasn't mentioned in this thread but you annoy the shit out of me and need to get off your damn high horse."

How could you possibly come to a conclusion like this without some level of lumping everyone into the same category? All of those qualities listed above I have on TAP! Maybe I didn't possess them before I went to prison but I learned them while locked up and continued to apply them to this very day. I might be wrong on this, so correct me if I'm mistaken, but how can you possibly deduce from anything I've said to be lacking in any of these areas? Please do tell, I'm curious as to how I could have misappropriated my ethics.

In response to my question/s, what exactly are you implying then? That we can, through an outsiders opinion, see that your female friends use the men around them for their own amusement? How does this behavior relate to you on how they view men? Does this illustrate to you how they might treat men as objects or "drink machines"? How is this any better? Manipulation?! LOL! Great policy! I am not here for anyone's amusement.

Okay, after reading the rest short of my "cat....blah blah blah" response I feel I might have been wrong about a few things mainly your prior criminal history. So I admit I was wrong. Some of the things you are accusing me of are the same things you're in fact guilty of.

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#26333 - 06/27/09 01:46 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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Touche Morgan, touche! I was pondering some of the same things tonight. Tonight was the deciding factor of realizing my double standards and stopping them immediately. Thanks for putting this into perspective. Oh yeah! I do LOVE the 40's! Holy shit do I love the 40's! The women were reserved and the men were dapper! Great era!
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#26358 - 06/27/09 06:14 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbent666
So, you're saying that it shows discipline when sluts, either male or female, sleep around just to get their rocks off? Instead of waiting for a genuinely good thing they go for anything that buys them enough drinks or gives them enough compliments? Wouldn't a better gauge of discipline be a man or woman that waits a few months to make sure this person is even worth fucking before engaging in an act that is ONLY a means to an end for one person? I don't know about you but I don't think that just because I can fuck, means I should fuck.


Ok, I'm naturally monogamous so I can understand the desire to build a relationship before having sex. At the same time though, we live in an era where most westerners are educated enough to understand the risks of sex and make a rational choice about whether they want to sleep around or not (or am I giving Average Joe too much credit?). If people want to save themselves for a loving partner, great, but if they want to enjoy themselves then what is it to you?
Don't get me wrong I can appreciate that you're worried for your sister, but I'd be careful of taking too hard a stance on it, after all people want the "forbidden fruit".

To answer your question of "is it ok to show some leg" you can probably guess that my answer is a resounding yes! It's natural to want to look good for the opposite sex, both men and women will typically dress to impress so to speak. When I go out, I wear clothes that I think will appeal to girls, I'll even ask my female friends what they think of an outfit and whether or not it works (something I think all men should do from time to time). The reason I do this is because even though I'm not looking to pick up random girls, I still like to be noticed and I still like to flirt. I know plenty of girls who do the same, it's not that we're sluts, it's just the natural desire to be attractive.

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#26401 - 06/28/09 10:54 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Saligia]
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That's cool dude. I used to do the same things. I used to care what people thought of how I looked and I how I dressed, but I just don't give a shit anymore. I do try to at least not leave the house dressed like an idiot, or wearing things I shouldn't be wearing like black shoes with the wrong outfit or not even ironing my shirts and pants. I don't have a style or one certain outfit, I kinda just wear whatever I feel like. Left to my own devices I will wear black cargo pants, black b-ball shoes, and a black T. Ghetto goth usually.

I have no desire to flirt or impress anyone when I go out. I'm me and if they don't like it then fuck em'. I don't even engage strangers in conversation. I typically have a group of friends I'm paying attention to and that's it. Maybe a little people watching. The last thing on my mind when I go out is meeting women, I usually have a different purpose like enjoying time with my friends first.

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#26410 - 06/29/09 01:24 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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I happen to share that my personal taboo falls in line with a current usa society taboo. BFD.


Your views?


With taboos, like most here I would say that my views fall in and out of line with society. I definately have me own opinions at the end of the day, but enjoy hearing others opinions (probably why I am here) especially when they make me think harder about what and why I hold as my own.

I won't list my opnions here, as I don't think that is the question you are asking.

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If you believe something to be true, stand by your decision, but accept that people will not always agree with you.


And that is the obvious common sense statement. One I agree with 100 percent. It's not about winning the argument, but having the discussion.

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#76694 - 05/27/13 05:34 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Taboo is more or less a prohibited activity that has been deemed to be abhorrent to any given society, causing its downfall. A societal Taboo such as Cannibalism is a good example of this.

Some Taboos of the past were typically supported by a large enough number of the population to constitute as a Taboo (such as interracial dating/marriage previously mentioned).

In terms of a personal Taboo, I had to think about it for a few moments and I can't honestly think of anything I'd consider Taboo, although I've spent a great deal of time discussing Taboos. In terms of sharing the premise of the taboo on a more personal level, its all relative to me. Place it in various contexts and it has more to do with the Intrinsic Value of Ethics than it does, the activity itself.

I can openly discuss say, the Holocaust and not necessarily feel personally attached to any of it.
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#76704 - 05/27/13 06:51 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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Oh come on SIN, you have taboos. I doubt you'd eat a booger from my nose. And if you did do that, it would mean you'd have to truly love me. Yet another taboo for you. See, you do have them.

A taboo for me is a continuation of your past bullshit. Continue to test the waters, please. Let's see where it goes.


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#76705 - 05/27/13 08:32 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Deofol]
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haha eating boogers isn't a personal Taboo, just something gooey substance from your nose.

So you think people who really love each other eat boogers?

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#79000 - 08/04/13 06:19 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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When you look into the different taboos societies of the past have had, you can really see how truly arbitrary the concept of a taboo really is. Every society has had their own idea of taboo, and they have differed greatly. People will get very angry and riled up when people cross over the lines of these taboos, but many times when their reasoning is questioned, they can't come up with much of an answer as to why they feel that way. They just believe it because it was taught to them(by society, family, environment etc.), yet they have so much passion, pretty ridiculous really.

Satanism for me, isn't about doing/believing as many taboos as possible, but about being able to look past the taboo label to analyze how you really feel about something. Maybe you like it, maybe you dislike it but think it's made too big a deal of, or perhaps you agree with society's stance.

In my case, I wouldn't really consider any views I have to be personal taboos, just my own ethics and moral views, for me those two are different. Morals for me are simple, I treat you how I want to be treated, but if you don't return the favor I discard that in dealing with you. With many, morality is based on 'thou shalt not', with things that just should never be done to someone regardless of what they do, but I don't view things that way. If someone doesn't care who they hurt, but then becomes the victim, should anybody really sympathize?

Ethics for me, are about doing what is necessary to preserve the fairness, or 'purity' of something, mostly for competitions. Essentially, I'd want to let the competition be decided by who was the most skilled(at least that day), and not cheat to bring in other factors. There's that, and with wanting to engage in strength versus strength matches. For the sake of keeping the competition about 2 people's strengths matching up against eachother and seeing who wins, I would not try to strike at weaknesses, to test my own strength, and allow my opponent to test theirs as well.

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#79004 - 08/04/13 07:47 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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I took this bit from Travel Taboo , it's advice offered to foreigners visiting the U.S.:

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America Donts

1. Do not call black people “Negro”. They will feel contempt for his indemnity, as Negro mainly refers to Africa black slaves sold to the United States.

2. Do not ask personal income, assets etc private information.


3. Do not ask women marital status, age, and price of clothe etc private matter.


3. Do not give white lilies as gifts.

4. Do not give presents with the company logo, as it’s obliged for advertising.

5. Do not casually take off your shoes or bare feet in front of others, which give people the impression of barbaric debauchery, as only in the bedroom, or between lover to take off their shoes.
So do not take off your shoes when visit an American house.

6. Do not pull garters or socks in front of others, which are considered impolite. If laces loose, find a quiet place to tie up.

7. Do not stick out the tongue to others, which is considered as rude, vulgar, obscene behavior.


8. Do not smoke in front of the others without consent.

9. Do not use or ask for toothpicks at a restaurant or at a guest home. Americans love their pretty teeth, they usually use dental floss, but rarely use the toothpick.

10. Do not be gaudy or do make up in public, which is thought to be bad nurture.

11. Do not start to eat until the hostess starts or ask to start a meal.

12. Do not make chewing sound when dinning.

13. Do not take food for others.

14. Do not smoke at the dinning table.

15. Do not persuade others to drink or strip at the dinner table.

16. Do not hitch. Hitchhiking and being snatched money are common in the United States.

17. Do not take the subway at night, where gathers drug addicts, gangsters and drug dealers.

18. Do not forget to greet children. Americans treat children equal to adults.

19. Do not drink alone if you are a woman, which may cause harassment of volunteered” man.


Fairly poor advice, considering that Americans do these things, it would set a poor example. lmao
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#79011 - 08/04/13 07:54 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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Americans for the most part, all do those things so you are right. However, I was mainly referring to the more serious taboos, ones that will generate a lot of hate if you do them. The ones you listed won't generate hate from people.

With many things, if you even say you have no problem with them, much less do them you'll get backlash. Some things many call taboo, are actually fairly well approved of. Many thing they are engaging in taboos if they do things like sex orgies, casual sex etc, to be that's absurd. You won't get backlash from anyone other than hardcore Christian fundies for that. There are far more taboo ideas.

If I were to say, admit that I approve of necrophilia, I would not get a very good reaction from a lot of people. If someone was upset over their daughter's corpse being violated, if I were to say 'well, she's already dead', I likely am not viewed too highly by those who witness it. I remember when you mentioned in another thread that you basically take the animal for what it is regarding sex offenders, that would likely get you a bad reaction as well. Essentially, there are certain mindsets people expect you to have about things. Sometimes I agree, sometimes not, but if you don't have those mindsets people view you in a different light, as 'not one of them'.



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#79037 - 08/05/13 09:42 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Yeah, I hear ya. I just thought it was a silly list of taboos. Thing is, these things (that you describe) are only taboos to other people, unless of course you don't indulge in them yourself because you consider it a taboo.

Can't say having sex with a corpse is alluring to me but people do indulge in what I call Necro-erotica; where death plays a role in a sexual appetite, even if only aesthetically. Look at how much 'Zombies' are getting sexy, playing the role of dead characters like Vampires or having sex in grave yards. Just a few examples. Granted, it's just 'pretending' but the headspace is still there.

People are weirdos anyway, they will go all 'eeeew!' to something like cannibalism, and you find out they eat their own hair, boogers or skin. It's auto-cannibalism. I always got a kick out of that sign women hold up at Pro-Choice demonstrations that says: "If Abortion is Murder, A Blow-job is Cannibalism!", good times.


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I remember when you mentioned in another thread that you basically take the animal for what it is regarding sex offenders, that would likely get you a bad reaction as well.


Oh sure, I do but like I give two-fucks. I don't just hold these opinions on forums, in life I've even been accused of being a Pedophile, Sex-Offender, and by their definition of what that is, I am. There was a rumor going on around here for years that I ran a kiddie-porn ring, lol. That one just made me laugh. People do love their gossip. What bearing does that really have on my life? Nada. Google me sometime, you'll find some funny shit.





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#79044 - 08/06/13 04:59 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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Necrophilia isn't a fetish of mine either, but I just don't have any issues with it. Sometimes if you simply say you have no issue with a taboo sexual fetish, people will believe it is because you have it, it's pretty asinine really.

Ultimately, there's no concrete way of determining what is 'perversion' and what is 'healthy sexual exploration', and gross/sick is a subjective matter. Many people engage in well accepted sexual acts that I personally think are gross, but it's not up to me to determine what they do sexually.

So you basically tell people your honest view should it come up? It's pretty crazy how irrational people can be. A simple objective view of moral matters isn't any indication that someone actually engages in every activity viewed negatively. When it comes to sensitive matters, people often throw all rationale out the window. Fortunately, no charges ever came out of those rumors, things like that can ruin a person's life. Acting on true pedophilic urges would harm others, so I personally don't approve of that, but I don't take issue with anyone who simply has the urge. Funny thing, if I said that I bet it would be presumed that I have the urge myself.

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#79046 - 08/06/13 08:21 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Pretty much, which is why most people feel like they can't be their 'true selves' around other people and I can understand that to a certain degree. It's most likely not in your best interest to voice your blunt and honest opinion if it's going to cause you personal grief. For me, I say if it causes another person grief that's their problem. They may view me in a certain way but I determine its importance. Most people aren't that important.

The work place is another little touchy environment for most people, it's never been that way for me. I've concluded that it's all in the approach. Some people just act persecuted and thus act out. If it costs them their job, it's usually not because they had strange views or beliefs but rather bad behavior.

A younger woman with an older man is still a taboo to a lot of people, even if they are of the age of consent. The law be damned when it comes to personal preference. The same is true when a younger man is with an older woman. Some still consider it a form of Pedophilia, even though by definition it doesn't qualify.

My son and his girlfriend get some of the strangest comments when they are out together (interracial couple). They both handle it well because what other people think of their coupling is unimportant to them. It's still pretty telling of our 'cultural landscape' in the U.S. It's the 21st century and some people still think 'race mixing' is a taboo. We don't have culture here in the U.S. we have something else.

The 'Alternative Religion' issue is weird too; a nice and polite labeling as if religion isn't just religion. Even if you're non-religious you get sorted into that bin anyway. It's just 'other', so it somehow becomes a more acceptable form of otherizing if you call it 'Alternative'.
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#79073 - 08/07/13 04:44 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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Indeed, the persecution complex alone is often what turns people off. If I'm in charge of anything, and have to make decisions over who gets what responsibilities, positions etc. I would see a red flag with anyone who is that way. I would not want them around, not because of the thing they feel persecuted over(race, religion, gender or whatever else) but because they'd disrupt our effectiveness with their protests. If someone is more qualified for a certain responsibility, I don't want someone who will demand to have that role and claim persecution if they don't get it. They could disagree with my decision, and make a case for themselves, but I'd only appreciate that if it was for relevant reasons.

Of course, this is not to say there is not any kind of discrimination that goes on. In most work settings though, if you talk about church(as long as it's not preachy)it will be just fine, talking about any Satanic activities you do, that would be a different story. It really depends on where you work I guess, different types of jobs and different particular bosses. I however, would not mention that I'm a Satanist at work, in most jobs. Essentially, it's a risk reward analysis and picking your battles. If it's just not talking about it at work, it's fine for me. However, I wouldn't work any job that dictated things I do and say outside of work.

I'm in an inter-racial relationship myself, with a Hispanic girl. Personally, I've never noticed any comments, discrimination or anything like that, I guess everyone's experience is different.

Alternative religion, a lot like alternative fetishes has different degrees of acceptance. Satanism is pretty much at the bottom of the acceptance scale, but that's something most Satanists are ok with. From what I've noticed, Wiccans and Pagans are often seeking to have their religion accepted, with the 'good guy badge' and what not. At times, Satanists will do this but their efforts are futile, mainly because the majority of Satanists don't want to assist them in that endeavor.

For me, should I tell someone I'm a Satanist I basically tell them what it really is for me. I don't pretend like I eat babies and rape virgins, but I also don't pretend that there isn't a 'dark' side to it, that deals with taboo subjects. It's been fairly well accepted among people I've told though, friends from high school and what not. I guess by the time I told them they knew me well enough to know I wasn't going to sacrifice them lol. In my experience, when people know you better they won't react as badly, I suppose the mysterious factor is what freaks a lot of people out.







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#79074 - 08/07/13 08:01 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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I suppose the mysterious factor is what freaks a lot of people out.


That, and a long history of propaganda and human nature.

The rise in Theistic Satanists trying to pool themselves together for acceptance is telling, they often team up with Neo-pagans. It's more visible in the U.S. with Social Media.

At some point its all going to be passe. It took the Christians a few thousand years before people stopped killing them in certain areas. That battle still rages on in quite a few countries today.


Neo-pagans seem more concerned with having the same privileges as other religions do in America. Such as having grave-markers adorned with a pentacle, or holding a public service position and not be given the boot because of it. They win small battles so I'm guessing the Theists just want a little piece of that for themselves.
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#79098 - 08/08/13 08:42 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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The propaganda definitely plays a major role in it, it essentially is the cause of the stereotypes. Most people who aren't Satanists themselves don't know very much about Satanism, because they don't look to learn about it. This isn't a problem for me, because I wouldn't expect them to research something they have no interest in, as I certainly don't. It does however, result in the only perception of Satan being the biblical Satan, which is the source of stereotypes.

Mainly though, I was referring to the mysterious factor in judging a particular person. When people get to know someone, they are far less likely to presume a lot of things based simply on Satanism, as they have more to go on. If say, someone keeps to themselves, and has Satanic tattoos then people may think they sacrifice humans, rape virgins and other devil worship stereotypes. When you know someone, it takes away the spook factor.

In this day and age, the more you try and be scary the less people will fear you, those who try are stuck in a self-defeating cycle. This is of course, because it is usually obvious they are trying to hard. The more you try, the less you succeed, the sad reality of a wanna-be, lol.

Regarding Pagans, I was mainly referring to the fact that many of them seem to want acceptance from everyone, and playing the 'good guy badge' cards. Basically, wanting to show that their morals and ethics are the same as general society, and wanting to be a well-respected religion. Satanists, both theistic and atheistic often try to play these cards, though you won't find those types on this forum.

I've known Satanists in other groups that were like that. This however, seems to be resented by most Satanists. A lot of them like the idea of letting it be known what Satanism is really about for them, what they don't like is people trying to get others to accept it. This is generally how I feel about it, for me it's fine if they do, fine if they don't, Satanism is not meant to be something that needs others approval. This is why Satanists who pursue this endeavor fail. People already are unlikely to accept any dark/LHP religion, and since the majority of Satanists do not support them and do/say things to hinder their efforts, they are futile.


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#79102 - 08/08/13 09:25 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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I understood your meaning. I was speaking about the drive behind it. Some of the reasons that people seek acceptance.

For example, when a person asks why 'we' can't have Satanic churches, I often wonder what stops 'them' from giving it a go. Gaggles of Satanists want this and that, but they often want someone else to kick the door in for them.

It's not really that hard to start up a church. Thing is, churches run like businesses. Without any congregates or supporters, what's the point?

So I agree with you there, it's not as if thousands are lined up in each state to serve a demand.

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I was mainly referring to the fact that many of them seem to want acceptance from everyone, and playing the 'good guy badge' cards. Basically, wanting to show that their morals and ethics are the same as general society, and wanting to be a well-respected religion.


That always killed me about the media appearances by personalities affiliated with the CoS. The blatant hypocrisy of wearing a badge and redundancy of putting out Satanic Ethics. Get real.
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#79136 - 08/10/13 06:54 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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There could be a number of things that stop someone from attempting to start a Satanic church, some rational and some not. Sometimes, it could be simple laziness. For a rational reason, they may simply not think there will be enough members. If that is the case though, they shouldn't be asking why there can't be Satanic churches, because they already know the answer. In some cases, people simply feel 'unqualified' to start up a church, which is asinine. All you have to do is form your own ideas of what Satanism is for you, and put it out there. It's just about knowing the reasons for why you think the way you do. Some people need others to tell them when they are 'qualified' to be a free thinker, pretty pathetic really, and defying the concept.

Of course, sometimes people just need something to complain about and turn into persecution, the 'Satanic Al Sharptons', lol. Sure, there is 'anti-Satanic discrimination', but when the problem it causes for you is fixed, that should make you happy. In the 'ima victim' mind however, that day will never come. What they want, is some way in which they can feel persecuted. I suppose no Satanic churches is just something they can point to. They will use anything really, sometimes it's just a rant over how people are uneducated regarding their specific theology. If a day ever came where Satanism became well-liked, they likely would just find something else.

Back when I was going to make a website, the main aim was just putting my own views out there for whoever wanted to listen. I did get something out of putting it together, with it being thought provoking so it did serve that purpose. Essentially, ideas have their own value with what they can bring a person, which is there whether or not others want what it brings. Of course, if your the only one reading it you may as well just put it in a word document for yourself, no sense in paying for the domain name. A church would be similar, in that it is really not a church if it is only you. Whatever it may be, once you realize no one is interested, you may as well eliminate any inconveniences that advertising your ideas causes you. Satanists are far and wide, it is usually difficult finding other ones in your area. Plus, with all the different Satanic ideas out there, it's even less likely to find people who's beliefs will be the same as yours.

'Satanic ethics' is pretty much a pointless concept, by the idea of Satanism. Free thinking, the worth of something being decided by the individual, and not needing the acceptance of others. Many people argue that it is 'just an excuse to do immoral things' or 'then what stops you from doing immoral things' and etc. and the answer is simple. Morality is objective, if you personally find something wrong, you aren't looking to do it, and thus aren’t looking for an excuse to justify it. If you don’t find anything wrong with something, you don’t feel you need justification to do so, thus any excuse to be ‘bad’ is serves no purpose. As for what’s stopping anyone from doing ‘wrong’, well a code of ethics sure as hell isn’t. Telling someone ‘you aren’t a true Satanist’ is just a meaningless insult, that has power over no one. A Satanist may very well have personal moral codes, but it becomes the ‘good guy badge’ when someone feels the need to prove they are ‘moral enough’ to someone else.

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#79138 - 08/10/13 09:20 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Back when I was going to make a website, the main aim was just putting my own views out there for whoever wanted to listen. I did get something out of putting it together, with it being thought provoking so it did serve that purpose. Essentially, ideas have their own value with what they can bring a person, which is there whether or not others want what it brings. Of course, if your the only one reading it you may as well just put it in a word document for yourself, no sense in paying for the domain name.


Thing is, with the Internet you really don't know who is and isn't reading it, unless you have subscribers. The best gauge is web-traffic analytics, even then you don't really know, people are clicking away looking for one thing and find another. Some use blogging as a way to fish for feedback/insights. There's a few characters here that have blogs/sites. Sometimes the act of writing out your thoughts to articulate concepts is an exercise in self-realization. Whether it be to fine-tune your writing style or tweak your ideas, it serves a purpose.

Do you have a site or a blog today? I'm subscribed to a choice few. I'm genuinely interested in perspective and creative writing.

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the 'Satanic Al Sharptons'


I'm actually subscribed to a couple of these types, for the entertainment value.

I'll pm you a link to one, you might get a kick out of it. It's riddled with taboos and persecution-style thought processes.

Meh, you're not accepting pms.


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#79165 - 08/10/13 11:38 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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Strange, according to my settings PMs were enabled. I updated them, try and send it again if you like. It does sound like it would give me a good laugh, I'd like to see it.

Back when I was trying to make the site, I had the blogs on my Myspace blog section as a sort of experiment, so I could monitor the views of each posting. To get there, they'd have to go on my page and click on the blog, so I knew they were interested if they did view. I suppose on the website, it would be a bit harder to monitor. Mainly, I would advertise through friends I had met online, as well as a few interviews I offered to feature.

Fishing for feedback and insight was one thing I was doing with it. I was going to offer a link to contact me, for anyone who wanted to offer it, or discuss anything. I was looking for like minded people, in a sense. It was also good for me though, thought provoking in developing my own beliefs, just writing it down was good for that even if I had 0 views.

As of today, there is no site or blog up from me. I kept changing all my writings, at times discarding some completely because I always thought they could be better. I found it difficult to put some of my ideas into writing as well, which can be more difficult than many would think. I have thought about trying it out again though.

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#79173 - 08/11/13 06:52 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Didn't work. It gives me a message that PM's are disabled.

I don't know what the deal is with that, a few people told me my PM's are disabled too but I get messages from a few users with no issues. Did you block me at some point (accidentally)? That's the only thing I can think of.
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#79191 - 08/11/13 10:59 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: Morgan]
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There is certainly a legal framework, in place in a contemporary society, which limits and contains. The study of those laws is an interesting one.

I am, however, primarily interested in a sort of framework, which supports law, and which is in place in contemporary society and yet is not so easy to define and so easy to study.

I think contemporary society is one-dimensional to the extent that most people in a society will automatically think “this far, but no further” or “in this direction, but not the other.” I, in fact, think most people have access to a certain circumscribed set of opinions, a carefully contained reservoir of limited possible positions that they can take with regards to states of affairs.

What is interesting is the extent to which contemporary society has become saturated with images, spectacles, commodities designed to produce and apparently “fulfil” desire and it almost seems as if this contemporary society has finally unleashed the repressed and now offers some sort of nirvana, some sort of ecstasy. I don’t think there has ever been a time when more talk, more communication, was possible and more prevalent.

I am, however, an old cynical thing and I am not so sure. I don’t see the system at the heart of society falling down; rather I see the number of possible alternatives and the number of possible positions in discourse contracting more and more over time. A boundary of silence, where thought stops, and this at a time when contemporary society has apparently grown more and more open and more and more communicative.

I still think the heart of the system is designed to rationalise, to train, shape and determine the worth of elements and employ those acceptable elements towards certain ends. I don’t think this system can necessarily accept anomalies, though there is a market for anomalies, which is quite lucrative, so it would seem that even anomalies can be designed and included and “made to work” in some sense.

My personal pleasures i.e. practices which would raise an eyebrow from the mainstream, are probably my most precious “possessions.” I think it takes a great deal of self-reflection and experience to determine the level of control one is exposed to in contemporary society and then go ahead and fashion a set of personal norms and taboos. I still think Satanism is The Way of the Other, so I think being outside and doing things to see what happens is pretty imperative.

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#79193 - 08/12/13 12:50 AM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: SIN3]
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No, I never blocked you. I tested it out, I can't send messages to anyone. I'm not sure why that is the case. What are the names of the sites?
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#79197 - 08/12/13 07:25 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Ok, sounds like an issue for an Admin to sort out. No worries, it's just a silly wordpress site. It's like reading the tabloids. lol
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#79200 - 08/12/13 11:58 PM Re: Personal taboos, society taboos, and the wisdom to [Re: 334forwardspin]
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No, I never blocked you. I tested it out, I can't send messages to anyone. I'm not sure why that is the case. What are the names of the sites?


Noted, and I'm now looking into it, and will get back to you ASAP.
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