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#26242 - 06/25/09 04:05 PM Satanism and the family.
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With me currently staying with family I've obviously been logging on to the forum form my parents house amongst other places. Naturally many debates I have on this and other forums/chat rooms, end up being mirrored between myself and my family.

I was wondering, does anyone else here have a non-Satanist family who you discuss your philosophical and political ideals with and how does Satanism relate to these discussions? Do you family know and accept that you're a Satanist? Do they disapprove? How do you handle the discussions and are any topics taboo or considered absolute?

The subject that seems to snag for me is "belief in belief". My dad and I had a discussion in which I explained my disdain for religion, he's also an Atheist yet he spouted the same nonsense many theist spout. Phrases like "Prove God doesn't exist", "It's their right to believe what they want", and "You should be respectful of their beliefs" where commonplace and it's all because of religious upbringing. Does anyone else have issues like this with their family.
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#26248 - 06/25/09 05:04 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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My close family are pretty much aware of my philosophical leanings. They know I am an athiest, skeptic and have a disdain for organized religion, but whether or not they know me as a Satanist is anybody's guess. I told my mom that I was back when I was 14, before I really knew what the fuck I was talking about, and I am sure she has since forgotten.

None of those people are overtly religious and never have been so I never catch any flack for my views. I don't usually discuss politics, religion or philosophy with my family or friends unless it is in a joking manner. The reason being that I am, shall we say, on a different level.
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#26253 - 06/25/09 05:24 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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EVERYBODY in my family knows who I am and what my views are. Whether they care or approve is something I am long past being concerned about. LOL! My nieces and nephews were told that I was "the boogeyman" when they were young to keep them in line.
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#26271 - 06/25/09 07:52 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Jake999]
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Due to my health, I recently moved back home with my mother (how embarressment LOL), so she is aware that I follow the Left Hand Path. She is an Atheist herself, so religion has never been a topic that has held much interest for us. I have told her enough to know that it is not a cult (my Grandmother saw a book in my room on witchcraft and thought that I'd joined a cult, at 38 no less doh), but the word Satanist still holds a certain amount of disdain to her and at this stage of my life, I think she's old enough to have her own opinion and it would be a waste of my time and energy to try and change it.

I have however, shared the Ayn Rand book 'The Virtue of Selfishness' with my sisters and urged them to read it.

My sisters are like chalk and cheese and one, like me, has those views pretty much already, that you have to look after number one first, although in my eyes, she is clouded by her spiritual beliefs, she is a 'psychic' in her mind, but just very 'intuitive' in mine. She reads tarot and does dream reading, having had her own radio show here for a few years, she's alot more Satanic than she realizes. She however, sees Satanism as negetive, because of her lack of understanding and originally closed herself off to what I was actually talking about when the word first started peppering our conversations. It's quite amusing actually. There is certainly plenty to learn from your family, even when they don't mean to be teaching what it is you are learning.

Whilst the other is the exact opposite and believes strongly in people being made to give back to society and wants to save the world from itself. She is an aethiest, but has very leftist leanings. She does at least practise what she preaches and is involved in the Greens party here, so I have to respect her for that. We agree to disagree about politics, but recently her 21 YO son read The Satanic Bible (not from me, I can't remember where he came across it), and she couldn't wait to tell me! I think I was meant to be impressed. She is at least following her own nature and beliefs and is not a sheep.

Had I recognized myself as Satanic younger, I would have no doubt felt compelled to have educated all of my family on what it was and what it meant to me, but I'm older and wiser and whilst I want them to understand enough to not think I've lost the plot, I haven't ever had to justify who or what I am to my family. They know me very well and over all have been pretty supportive of my life long questioning of taboos and living hard and by my strong will.

I'm a partly product of my family though, certainly when I was a child, so it's my genes and upbringing and experiences that made me who I am, so in a way, it's their upbringing that gave me a certain leaning towards Satanism.

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#26280 - 06/25/09 09:12 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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My family knows what I believe. My mother tried that bullshit going to hell bit till I remind them how long I have been the same while she can't remember who her priest is. My other sister is a born again christian, who freaked when she found out I could quote scripture at her and gave her leads on religous books to read. When I said "How nice your following in some of my footsteps (in regard to reading material)" It looked like her head would explode, and she cried out "Never". lol

When you live with your family, you have to respect and abide by their rules. There is no point in throwing stuff in their face and causeing unnecessary stress.

If you cant respect their opinions when they shit on yours, move out.

This is not a matter of turning the other cheek, but acknowledging your own weaknesses put you in a situation where you dont have a leg to stand on.

So, if you live at home, take the shit till you can get a job and move the fuck out. You choose the life you lead.

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#26440 - 06/30/09 12:36 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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having had her own radio show here


Would it be possible to be directed towards this radio show? If she really does have Satanic philosophical leanings, it could be really interesting. It could, even if she didn't, though.
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#26448 - 06/30/09 01:54 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Demonic Moroni]
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If it was still running, I still wouldn't. I wouldn't want to identify her. Sorry I tend to write from experience and not from theory about subjects, so my examples tend to be real world and personal. Somebody slap me.

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#26451 - 06/30/09 07:17 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I told my parents what I was when I was 17, which caused them to wonder about me, but now they just see me for who I am...me, simply me. Now that I am 25 we never really talk about religion, they know what I think and what I am and it's not a problem for them because I am not some monster or some psycho.

My LaVey books are on my shelf, next to my Crowley (Including the one you shipped to me Morgan ;\) my Rand, Nietzsche. I don't hide anything from my folks. They are pretty understanding, hell, I am 25 living with school debts and they still let me live there haha. They let me make my own choices.
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#26519 - 07/01/09 07:00 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Jester]
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My family is pretty open. My mother is ignorant of the exact philosophy but takes fun in telling her friends of me being a 'satanic'.
My father is annoyingly cynical and so takes many a chance to mock Satanism and purposely misunderstanding it with devil worship.
My sister wants a Pentagram and through her unwillingness to learn is taking her time in reading TSB but she is pretty liking of the philosophy.
So far of my family my grandmother is the only one who I think did or made a good attempt at reading the Satanic Bible.

Thats my spill about family. My favoured half of extended family are Catholic and fairly devout but I still hold strong to my beliefs in any circumstance. If anyone (even family) wish to follow some stupid religion, or have uneducated scorn to Satanism then their opinion is void on my beliefs

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#26759 - 07/03/09 01:54 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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My parents flipped when I first "came out"; concerned I had gone insane, or was hearing voices, or was buying into some kind of an "evil cult". That first day was a bit traumatic; they threatened to cancel all future Christmases, said they'd take me to a psychiatrist, etc... Ironically, despite the fact that they are professed catholics, they probably talked to me about God that day more than they ever did in my entire life.

Nowadays they don't really care, seeing that they soon realized I'm still the same healthy, sane, reasonable person I've always been. I suspect they console themselves by telling each other that it's just a "phase" I'll soon pass out of.
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#26798 - 07/04/09 06:02 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: The Zebu]
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I find it really quite entertaining when people threaten to cancel Christmas when you say you don't believe in God or are no longer Christian, as though the loss of the holiday will shock someone into believing in God and following the Bible. It's comical really. Especially if the person doesn't care. I've seen that happen on a YouTube video when a kid tells his mother he's an Atheist and she goes ballistic, claims Christmas is just for Christians and he'll "get no presents" and after about 30 seconds of her screaming at him from 3 inches away he just shouts "Fine" and it practically knocks her speechless. It's great. She then goes on about how it's not fine and he's going to hell, to which he walks off and says, "Hell is a joke".

Ironically, I've had more arguments from my family because, assuming I have kids, which I intend to do at some point, I don't intend to do the Santa myth crap. If I expect them to be critical about stuff, I don't want a major holiday in their childhood to be based around a lie. Apparently that makes me a monster that wants to destroy a child's hopes and dreams, they'll never enjoy life and they won't be allowed Christmas like all the other kids. I never said that, I just won't tell them Santa is real. Apparently my parents don't listen. When it comes to God though, meh, it's fine to not tell kids about God.

Anyone would think my parents believe in Santa the way they acted.
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#26811 - 07/05/09 02:52 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I don't intend to do the Santa myth crap.


My kid gets Santa, Easter Bunny, the works. These figures might be associated with Christian festivals in our society, but the raw symbolism is clearly about fertility, and has nothing to do with any particular religion - least of all Christianity!

We all need rituals and fantasy (or at least everyone I know does, including myself) and kids need these things in double measure. Will you stop them from playing cops and robbers too, just because the police force doesn't enlist children?

I would focus more on being honest with kids. A lot of adults feed a lot of kids a lot of crap.
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#26825 - 07/05/09 08:08 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: god.over.djinn]
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I would have to agree totally with G.O.D.

But everything you think you know about child raising will change as soon as the kid actually arrives. See the vege thread, you can think you'll know what you'll do, but until it happens you don't.

You'll know when the time is right for kids to be told the truth about Santa. They will make up their own minds anyway TC. Or hear about it at school. Usually about 5, they are hearing at school that Santa isn't real.

My daugher asked me about it, and said, now I really want you to tell me the truth Mummy, so I did. She was kicking herself, one less present at Christmas, LOL.

Kids need imagination too, so don't try and tell kids not to believe in anything, rather give them ALL the information, they will make up their own minds anyway.

I have a friend that was raised Jehova. They get no Christmas or Birthday presents. He resented it greatly, kids just feel like they are missing out and resent you. They don't care why you're doing it. Not that spoiling a child is good before anyone goes there..but that's anothr topic.

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#26826 - 07/05/09 11:08 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I don't intend to remove holidays, and there's nothing saying my children (when/if I have any), can't celebrate Christmas to the full and enjoy the story of Santa Clause, my only change would be I couldn't bring myself to tell them it's true. I know how much value I place of truth, and I also know children by their nature believe their parents implicitly. Sure it doesn't do a great deal of harm but I feel it's a better move to not lie around this holiday and just enjoy it for what it is, a chance to celebrate your friends and family and be thankful for the people in your lives by sharing a meal and exchanging gift. Isn't that what the "Christmas Spirit" really is. That said, you're right, I don't know for sure if I will change my mind when I have kids, I would like to think I wouldn't though.
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#26865 - 07/06/09 06:22 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Hi TC,

Probably, there is no need to tell them something until there is something to tell. I've never had to tell my child that, yes, Santa really is a real person. Like Zeph said, they just don't think to ask until they get older. Until then, just enjoy playing Santa. And even after they do ask, one could just respond that at Christmas, we pretend Santa is real. Which is the honest truth.

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#26866 - 07/06/09 07:25 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: god.over.djinn]
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Hell, when Xmas rolls around my parents still put "From Santa" on some of our presents. My mom is a little sentimental sometimes and likes to remember the days when my brother and I were innocent little darlings. I just Xmas as a time to be with family. I know what I am nothing will change that...I mean, how can I not like Xmas...I get free shit and good food.
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#26874 - 07/06/09 11:35 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Jester]
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my mum doesnt put "from santa" on my presents. yeah I agree, i love spending time with my family and getting loads of crazy shit and food...thats what christmas (to me) is all about...oh and dont forget stealing your family's food when they're not looking too. Thats also important.
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#31342 - 11/05/09 06:00 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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My parents know of my beliefs and I have even gone as far as to asking my mother to read The Devil's Notebook by Mr Anton LaVey. She required no persuasion what’s so ever to do so, and has said that she feels LaVey had some interesting concepts. Despite finding some of the ideas contained inside a tad “selfish”, my mother has accepted my chosen “path”, and understands that such works play a large part in the way I think and live my life.

My Father knows also, but has never really been the religious type, favoring a kind of Buddhist “karma” type view of the universe (don’t rock the boat and all will be well). So, he doesn’t mind as long as I don’t go killing people in the name of my religious code.

My sister just assumes I’m mad, but still regards my opinions with open ears. We even joke that, now that she is pregnant, when the child is born she and her partner should name the child Damien. She still pulls faces when I cry “it's all for you Damien” whenever the subject of babies or pregnancy arises in conversation.

All in all, I have a pretty reasonable family.
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#31623 - 11/13/09 04:34 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I live, work, and play amongst non-Satanians. some are Christians, some are Neopagans, some are secular of a stripe, some non-religious or non-spiritual. the social circles offline in which i participate are diverse, but have a tendency to be a bit more conservative than LHP standards, primarily composed of those who visit us locally. my main interaction with Satanists is online.

my guru and Beloved wife catherine is what i call a philosophical dogmatist, identifying as a Jewish Baptist. we're both eclectic, and have engaged a neo-tantric mutual devotion. we have extremely different tastes and preferences philosophically. I am far more interested in exploration and repeated consideration of premises, values, and aesthetics, and we are both sufficiently strong-willed that we find it valuable for me to take up those kinds of discussions with others (which i do regularly). i have learned a great deal about politics from her, and i engaged in types of activism she found uncomfortable during the early part of our relationship.

all that said, i am no less 'out' about my Satanism than i have ever been, catherine finds my Satanic ways in many respects quite endearing, and is supportive of my continued pursuits, just as i support her interest in Jug Band music, and share and enjoy her adoration of Jesus and gospels. occasionally Satanians visit our sphere, observe the eclectic all-faiths-welcomed church we're making locally, and i see how comparably broad my involvement and interests really are. it has taken coming to love and live with a polymath to enable me to see to where all these tendrils of study and absorption can lead me.

this doesn't stop my full-on energy for my pact, however, and recently i observed the first anniversary of the gathering of a small group engaging philosophical reflection and detailed discussion of Satanity in a wide variety of ideological styles (Satanisms) from a standpoint of independence: the Horde of Independent SatanistS (HISS, a yahoogroup). I take a good portion of my philosophical interests to that forum to discuss with the other full member, Venus Satanas, and we spice up the forum with the latest Satanian social news, examinations of large and small groups, ideological platforms, the history of New Religious Movements, academic analysis of religious Satanism, apologetics to Christians and others, and much more.

through the years i have got used to people finding value in believing things: about the past, about the origins of life and the universe, about the transcendental divided status of human experience and consciousness, and many other things. eventually i came to the conclusion that belief as a deliberate mental act wasn't something i found consistently valuable. I have noticed that few beyond the occasional weird mystic i meet thinks in similar ways. when i am asked what i believe i always respond: "As little as possible." it affords me the freedom few others seem to have or want: to play, explore and accept the variety of others i may run into.

more and more i find it valuable to pin down things in my knowledge base for applications and projects, and i am amused to discover that my primary focal premises are humanist, adaptively materialist, scientific, and rationally tentative. being willing to admit of our animal character as a species, suppose the fantasy character of souls, separable spirits, and afterlives, i am reminded pointedly of the finite and beautiful uniqueness of our present experience and how this does not last. that others reduce the miraculous quality of the single life by supposing fictional extensions and dimensions to it can be frustrating at times, and yet in the end they are only really cheating themselves. I find it far MORE disturbing when religious view the cosmos as a disposable classroom and abandon their humanity.


Edited by nocTifer (11/13/09 04:36 AM)
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#31653 - 11/13/09 06:51 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: god.over.djinn]
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To be frank, my family knows what I am. That is to say that I have my own opinions and views.

My father and mother are protestant and catholic respectively, and have known for some time of the way that I see the world.
While I lived with my parents I was respectful and relatively conformist. This extended to me paying lip service to their beliefs every Sunday (that’s right, two different churches every week). While I neither imposed nor inflicted my views upon them, I respected their beliefs.

Now that I am no longer bound by their concept of spirituality, I still regard their idealism with a note of respect.

While my view on the world restricts/opens opportunities, I won’t ever feel comfortable pushing my values upon them. I love my folks, and genuinely wish them well. As a result of this I would never attempt to change their view on the world. Spiritualism and intellectual coherence are things that cannot be enforced or influenced.

I am a Satanist. My family and those close to me chose their own
path.
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#33080 - 12/20/09 10:06 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: god.over.djinn]
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I never told my family about it, I think it's a personal thing. I only told my best friend and my girlfriend, and nobody else needs to know.
It would only cause me problems, due to the fact that most of my family are either christians of communists, so they would make a huge fight out of it without even trying to learn about what it really was about.
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#33081 - 12/20/09 12:05 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Hemerhed 1]
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I find this topic and situation to be an exercise in strategy. My father is a pentacostal preacher. My mother also pentacostal. One side of my family is Baptist, the other side Pentacostal. They all know I am the "black sheep". They know I am non-Christian and mostly secular. Over the years they learned, by snooping, that I practice witchcraft, luciferianism, etc.

Right now I am living with them until I finish school. I perceive the topic as, "what is in my best self-interest?" I support my Father's interests and passions, even if I do not uphold them. If it makes him happy, then he can have at it. This also plays to my benefit because I am living with them. I've learned to not 'play the satanist or witch' point of view, but rather play the secular Atheist point of view. It's fairly neutral and they don't flip out.

It is all about how you play your cards. It is easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar. Camouflage is important to the predator. There is a time to be overt and a time to be covert. One must adapt to the situation and make the most of it.
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#33179 - 12/23/09 09:17 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: god.over.djinn]
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I just had to respond to this thread as one I really enjoyed. I enjoyed the fact that some people were open about their families, and decided to share information. You got me thinking about (originating) people whom I don't really want to think about. It's with these biologic people that I say that I wish things turned out differently. I really do. As I sat back and read the posts, I got a glimpse into family life to (espoused) Satanists. Something came over me, and here I'm typing away. I just wanted you all who read this to know. \:\)

As for my family, I rather not say but one can fathom where I'm coming from. It's too sensitive for me to go about stating things about them. My family was large, but it was reduced in quantity to a handful of people, and my wife who I deferentially respect with who I'm constructing a life with.

'Never forgive. Never forget.' (Gilmore) A phrase that I resonate with wholly.

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#33373 - 12/30/09 02:32 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: paolo sette]
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I keep meaning to reply to this thread...

My immediate family knows (mom, dad, children, ex husband), and doesn't give a crap. Lucky for me, I suppose, I am the spawn of a couple of godless heathens. The rest of the family either doesn't know or thinks it's just a "nasty rumor"...they don't have the balls to actually ask me, I'm sure. Three days out of five I look like a soccer mom and blush like a schoolgirl, so I think that softens it a bit. No one expects a Satanist to be goofy and happy-go-lucky, it seems.

Hell, it's even a matter of public record, should one choose to look for it.

I think a lot of it is all in the presentation, personally. Most people "come out" when they are young and their parents are already trippin' daily trying to figure out if they have shot up or contracted VD yet...so they're (the parents) a little high strung BEFORE the defiant proclamation of Satanist (which most parents will hear as "devil worshiper" anyway). I broke 'em all in gradually so that they actively agreed with my philosophy before they knew what they were agreeing to....sneaky sneaky, I know...but by the time they knew what hit them, I had very little explaining to do and they had to confess that they already agreed with my beliefs, regardless of what they did with their own lives.

I'm sure all of this is helped along by the fact that I don't LOOK like a baby-killin' goth freak and also that I have nothing laying around the house that is overtly Satanic in appearance. Even my LHP library stays politely stashed away in my bedroom.


Edited by ceruleansteel (12/30/09 02:34 AM)
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#34224 - 01/19/10 01:01 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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If you really think about it, it's kind of funny how people get so worked up about things that they want to believe are true but have no proof that they are. That's one of the things I love about Satanism, it doesn't attempt to fill gaps in knowledge with made up (fantastic) fluffery.

Anyway, as my folks have gotten older they've also become more religious. I suspect it has more to do with the comraderie of the people their age than with anything mystical as they certainly aren't out there promoting their faith. They know I don't like religion (most) in a general sense and they, thankfully, don't much seem compelled into trying to steer me into it. As such, I return the favor by not talking about my leanings either. Usually I drink beer with my dad and cook with my mom and we just don't bring it up. My dad has looked at my bookshelf which has quite a lot of LHP books in it and hasn't bothered to comment. Works for me.

As for my immediate family, my wife is a de-facto Satanist in every way but shuns the title as she shuns all religion. My daughter (13) says she's a christian, she reads the bible but I know she's only doing it because her friends are doing it and she's at the age where being different is a crime. She asked me once if I thought the bible was true. I said 'no' and she said 'me neither' but still she poses. I chalk it up to learning Lesser Magic. My son (16) has always shunned religion. He's pulled a few things from my shelf but so far has only found value in Might is Right. I push nothing. If I'm asked a direct question I answer honestly. They'll find their way with regard to religion with whatever suits them.

Beyond that, there is nothing obvious about my appearance that would reveal my path to outsiders. I 'fit in' by force of will and use that to all possible advantage.


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#34320 - 01/21/10 09:04 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Fnord]
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Well, when I first discussed the issues with my family, I was a teenager. It was ages ago, and of course (like most average American families) they were horrified and convinced I was "going to burn in hell" and in general, had no idea of what I was thinking.

I tried to explain it as best I could to them, but the truth is that a lot of people will ALWAYS judge it from the Christian point of view, no matter what you feel or believe. You can talk into you have no more voice and a lot of them won't listen.

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#34446 - 01/23/10 07:06 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: 111Cal]
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My family always knew about my philosophical leanings. I told them right away. Well I told my mother because she is interested in those things and we can talk about them. My father doesn't care, or doesn't want to care. He never discuss any philosophy or religion at all. He just doesn't care.

Now this was many years ago and nowadays when I see my mother we can talk about current things and how we view things that happens etc. The discussion are never about the philosophical principles themselves though as they were when I was still living at home. Now its more a discussion and reflection on how we view things. Of course its closely connected to what she and I believe but as I said we don't actually debate the core anymore but more how we put it into practice in everyday life.

While I have realized in my later years that religion was more important to my mothers parents than I thought I was always raised pretty much without religion and I feel like I was encouraged to try things out as long as I also was critical and not swallowed it whole. And since I lived in the family I lived in and in the society I lived in that was and is very secular no one has ever condemned me for anything.

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#35726 - 02/17/10 02:41 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: god.over.djinn]
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It´s not simple. My girlfriend is an Atheist and does not have really solid knowledge about what Satanism really is.
He thinks I belong into some cult or I am some kind of zealot.
But I just told her I was already a Satanist 20 years ago and I would not change into anything else that who I already am.
Still trying to tell I am as atheistic as she becomes difficult
because of her attitude and disinformation.
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#35727 - 02/17/10 03:02 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: digitalbeat666]
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Hmm, well I don't hide my status as a Satanist. But nor do I talk about it either. I think my tattoos already give me an air of being of something 'other'. My friends know. Which is fine. All have been open minded. I mean if they weren't I wouldn't have chose them as my friends. I don't have contact with extended family. Never have. I have my mother. She is Catholic. But she is also 72 and mentally ill. So to her, I am just wonderful daughter who is her guardian. She says God bless me every time I say goodbye. I say the same thing back. It's no biggy.
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#35749 - 02/18/10 02:27 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Noctuary]
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I find this to be an interesting topic because it does force some introspection. I have often thought about talking to those close to me about my journey along the LHP and my relationship with the concept, state of being, archetype, primordal force/entity we refer to as Satan or Lucifer. However, it would be extremely difficult in one sitting. So I choose not to at all. I also love and adore the intimacy in my relationship with the Dark Lord and enjoy the creative spiritual latitude it offers.
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#35812 - 02/19/10 11:00 AM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Zakary]
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One can always debate ideas without actually saying the dreaded words. In religion present the ideas you hold but dont mention the S-word. oftentimes people react more to the language being used rather than the ideas presented.
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#35822 - 02/19/10 01:42 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: Zakary]
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If someone were to tell me how much they love and adore the intimacy in their relationship with the Dark Lord I would be tempted to call the men in white and have them fitted for a padded room with matching jacket. Somethings are better left unsaid. That you invented the question mark or have a relationship with some sort of "Dark Lord" are good examples of such things.
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#35872 - 02/20/10 11:01 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Yes 6satan6archist6 you make a good point. As most people are either indifferent, the 'good luck with that' types or the contrarian type 'well actually what you are saying there is historically and factually incorrect' or 'according to Orthodox understanding you are ideologically in error'. This why I choose to keep many views and expressions to myself as they only have meaning to me. One only needs to reflect on the way people have picked at what LaVey said about the notion of Satan as a dark force... Was he pointing to the idea of a theistic concept of Satan? On the other hand he denied the idea of an external Devil. Surely he denied the idea of the biblical devil, but what of the idea of a universal consious that was a prototypical form of the beast, the original beast, the beast that became man in flesh. Once again I am sounding airy fairy and you will suggest psychiatric intervention again I'm sure but..... Oops I think the van has just pulled up... better go!
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#45392 - 12/21/10 05:35 PM Re: Satanism and the family. [Re: god.over.djinn]
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There is one side of my family I keep entirely in the dark about being a Satanist. Even if I was only studying Satanism I would keep it from them; my father's side of the family. They are all catholic and being that when I was studying wicca my father told me I was going to hell, I really dislike talking about religion with him. He can be a very calm man and I respect my father and his beliefs but narrow minded about religion or philosophies.

My mother nearly shit a brick when she saw the copy of the TSB in my room and since then we have sat in a state of agreeing to disagree. Almost like a "don't ask, don't tell". Her only thing is "don't bring it into my house", which I would never do out of respect for her own paranoia. My mother being a reborn christian.

As for my significant other (WickedPup here), he is a Satanist as well and has helped me walk through my muddled thoughts often being my only support in much of anything in my life. Which is always nice to have in a partner.

As for my children, they are not old enough to conceive of religious perspectives or philosophies and I refuse to introduce any concepts to them until they are of the age when it really actually matters to them and they can understand it. That being said, I celebrate xmas with them because in their minds it's all about the toys and the decor, not about baby jesus or anything else of the like. \:\)
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