#28735 - 08/21/09 02:04 AM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
[Re: Lucifershal0]
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Source
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I have not yet seen this movie. Alex Jones.... I've agreed with some things he's said through his various movies, websites, and radio. He seems to use fear as his main tool. Even if everything he says is a truth, his approach feels very foul. It feels like his fear-fueled words work against almost any kind of positive change that he may desire to see. Even so, I'd like to see this movie. Soon.
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#31106 - 11/02/09 02:26 AM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
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Perdidot
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Hi, I would like to start off my post by saying I didn't watch the movie. I watched 1 min and 34 seconds of it.
My question: is this political forum or a place for conservatives to split them into two different camps, on the one side the threepers and birthers and on the other side the vanilla racists who have it out for the American People?
To answer your question Scarlet, this is bad information. The fact that you had to ask that question, that you had any doubt shows that it's garbage. Trust your doubt. The people who believe the likes of Alex Jones are like the 'tards who think smoking is good for them because of the Harvard research scrounged up by lobbyist trash Rick Berman.
I haven't dug far into this forum but if I see much garbage like this I'm likely to stop for good.
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#31110 - 11/02/09 06:19 AM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
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Fredenburgian
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Registered: 09/04/09
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Obama is no saviour, I don`t think anyone can "save" or "change" America in a 4-year term, not even in 8 years.
Those who support him now will see sides of him they don`t like, it`s tricky to support one politician or one political party 100%, because you have your own mind, and will disagree with certain things. Same with Obama. He might eventually make a wrong step, like Bush (who made many) and lose some of the status he has now as the Man who can change America. He will try, but fail.
I know many people who say "How long will it be, before Obama is shot?". It don`t have anything with anyone to do, but we who see America from the outside.. well it`s not hard to think "wth are they doing this time." I woudl continue but the teacher came in.
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#31111 - 11/02/09 06:26 AM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
[Re: Perdidot]
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CJB
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Registered: 10/12/09
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Hi, I would like to start off my post by saying I didn't watch the movie. I watched 1 min and 34 seconds of it.
To answer your question Scarlet, this is bad information.
How can you tell if it's all bad information if you haven't watched it all? Granted, I don't remember a thing about the movie now, since I watched it quite a while ago (Alex Jones is good for, if nothing else, a nice, paranoid delusional laugh).
I mean, if you were to say "This is probably a load of rubbish" or something, that'd be fine. But if you don't actually know what the information is being parsed out, and you just denounce it all as bad info...well, that's just not being honest at all, is it?
My question: is this political forum or a place for conservatives to split them into two different camps, on the one side the threepers and birthers and on the other side the vanilla racists who have it out for the American People?
I'm not quite sure if I should feel insulted by this or not...for one thing, it seems (I could be wrong, that is a very badly worded question) that Perdidot is saying that everyone here is a conservative, and all conservatives are either paranoid or racist. While I'm not a conservative, frankly I find the insinuations rather nasty.
I haven't dug far into this forum but if I see much garbage like this I'm likely to stop for good.
Leave then. If something as mild-mannered as the way this topic seems to have gone gets on your nerves, than this probably isn't a very good place for you anyway. Maybe I'm just being an ass, but I've read through plenty of threads through here that were rather nasty, and this ain't one of them.
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"To say 'I love you' one must know first how to say the 'I.'"
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#31119 - 11/02/09 04:47 PM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
[Re: CJB]
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Perdidot
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Registered: 10/23/09
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The first argument, that you can't determine the validity of something without watching it is false. After seeing a frame of an Obama speech spliced, at the very bottom and very hard to see, a black and white photo of NSDAP flags, hearing the narration of Alex Jones and seeing conservative/libertarian speakers I think I can very well imagine it's content and figure that the minutia of the film likely won't be important in any serious political dialogue.
As for your second and third arguments, perhaps you're correct. To clarify, I meant not to split the paranoid from the racist but the paranoid and racist from the nilla racist. And I've long wondered if the Church of Satan was really a conservative movement seeing that LeVay had a hard-on for Ayn Rand and Boyd Rice seemed to love G. W. Bush and was obviously a racialist despite his statements that his racist background was made up. Obviously you, CJB, are not those men. Also, saying that Obama got votes for being black is racist by degree.
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#31133 - 11/02/09 07:55 PM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
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Perdidot
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Registered: 10/23/09
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Shirley Chisholm
Jesse Jackson
Lenora Fulani
Alan Keyes
Carol Moseley Braun
Al Sharpton
None of these men or women became president. All of them are negroe. Obama won votes based on his merit.
You can say it true, and it may even be true to some irrelevant degree but you can't defame the merit of the man in a racial dialogue. Hillary Clinton tried that and she was burned very badly within a few hours.
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#31139 - 11/02/09 09:03 PM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
[Re: Perdidot]
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Morgan
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Registered: 08/29/07
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Loc: New York City
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Shirley Chisholm was the first black woman to run for president.
I might be wrong, but I think she had more experience in office than Obama did.
Jesse Jackson blew all credibility when he disparaged Obama.
Lenora Fulani is crazy. End of story, no chance in hell of ever winning anything.
Alan Keyes, and your point is????
Carol Moseley Braun, and your point is???
Al Sharpton, please spare me. He's a big mouth who forgets to pay his taxes, marches in peoples neighborhoods, and is anti-white. He is all about any black person getting shot, but when its about white cops getting shot by a black guy, he is in hiding. Oh, and his daughter and wife just got arrested for being stupid. Speeding past a cop, then blowing a red light in front of them. I am waiting to see how he explains away his ex-wife and child disregard for traffic safety.
Okay, so you honestly believe that ever black person voted for him due to his merit, and not just because he was black.
I had to explain to two black woman on a train that didn't even know Obama was half white, that his mother was white. They were all about how a black man is gonna bling up the white house and make it ghetto fabulous till I explained he was more than just black. They honestly didn't know.
Your way off the deep end.
If I wanted to defame him, it would be easy.
I actually voted for him, and want him to do well.
So don't be getting all racial shit on me. lol
As I said before I hate all idiots equally, plus, if you live up to your sterotype you are your sterotype.
Morgan
PS.
When Obama first came to New York, he slept in an alley because his friend wasn't home and washed up at a hydrant. I think it shows depth of character to admit and show how far he has come and what is possible. So, I don't want to hear anyone cry or claim the system holds them back. If you don't like the system work to change it or just shut the fuck up.
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Don't Like What I Say, Kiss My Ass
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#31144 - 11/02/09 09:42 PM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
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Perdidot
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Registered: 10/23/09
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Morgan, I'm deeply touched by you relating the story of Obama's troubles in New York. However, I'm not amused by your ad hominem of me being 'off the deep end' because you mean nothing to me. I only look down my nose at you.
You may relish in an environment that applauds naked supremacy and the abuse of idiot troll newbs but what real worth does the hobby have?
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#31159 - 11/03/09 12:29 AM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
[Re: Perdidot]
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CJB
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Registered: 10/12/09
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The first argument, that you can't determine the validity of something without watching it is false. After seeing a frame of an Obama speech spliced, at the very bottom and very hard to see, a black and white photo of NSDAP flags, hearing the narration of Alex Jones and seeing conservative/libertarian speakers I think I can very well imagine it's content and figure that the minutia of the film likely won't be important in any serious political dialogue.
Point somewhat taken, but I would reiterate: You can't denounce everyhing in the film as false if you don't even watch it. You CAN say something along the lines of "I watched the first minute of it, saw it was an Alex Jones production, and decided that it was probably filth and silly paranoid delusional lies." Which is pretty much what you did there, so kudos to you.
As for your second and third arguments, perhaps you're correct. To clarify, I meant not to split the paranoid from the racist but the paranoid and racist from the nilla racist. And I've long wondered if the Church of Satan was really a conservative movement seeing that LeVay had a hard-on for Ayn Rand and Boyd Rice seemed to love G. W. Bush and was obviously a racialist despite his statements that his racist background was made up. Obviously you, CJB, are not those men. Also, saying that Obama got votes for being black is racist by degree.
Conservatism, especially in the traditional Christian sense, is something of a collectivist movement (as are communism, socialism, progessivism, liberalism, and a plethora of other "-isms"). Satanism (and Lavey) is individualistic. Ayn Rand (also individualistic) was never a conservative, they just happened to hijack the parts of her that they liked and ignored the rest (like, say, that whole "Atheist" thing, for example.).
I'm not a conservative, I'm a capitalist (if it makes you feel better, you can call me "libertarian"). I'll make it no secret that I have no great love for Obama, my commander in chief though he may be. I also had no great love for G.W. either, or really most politicians today (which I guess makes me a bit of a masochist, as I am something of a politicophile...if that's even a real word)...point is, I could point out many, many things I abhor about Barry. On the other hand, there are certain aspects of him that I respect, although they are typically more about how he projects himself than his actual policy. If nothing else, he has a hell of a lot of charisma.
I did watch the movie, and I suppose as proof of its wonderful content, I already forgot what it was about. In my defense, I had just bought this wonderful bottle of Jameson around that time, and it (and its successors) is empty now...dammit, I'm gonna have to watch it again now.
EDIT: Hmm, I do remember watching it now. And I remember why I forgot it now.
Edited by CJB (11/03/09 01:15 AM)
Edit Reason: Adding crap
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"To say 'I love you' one must know first how to say the 'I.'"
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#31185 - 11/03/09 05:26 PM
Re: The Obama Deception (movie)
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Perdidot
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Registered: 10/23/09
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CJB, your appeal to remaining impartial made me laugh. It was the kind of politeness and understanding I've come to expect from Satanists. Thank you. Also, your assessment of individualism v conservatism shows a bit of thinking more than blind acceptance of interpretation. You seem like the kind of man who doesn't like to spout the words of his fellows just because he's in good company. However, certain statements of yours, specifically (paraphrased) "Both Bush and Obama sucked," and "I'm a libertarian" and "Obama is one hell of a speaker" Kind of makes you sound like a Ron Paul or Glenn Beck fan.
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