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#26260 - 06/25/09 06:30 PM Michael Jackson Died.
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Michael Jackson died at 12noon in LA (7pm GMT) after being rushed to hospital after a heart attack. Now, despite all the shit that man went though and all the media crap, court cases etc. I personally enjoyed his music and I thought people may enjoy talking about one of the most influential artists in modern music. I think we should consider his achievements.

Link to news article about heart attack
Sky News
Daily Mail
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#26262 - 06/25/09 06:42 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Fuck MJ when Farrah Fawcett is dead as well. Personally I would rather think about an old 80's poster girl than a creepy guy with no nose, who just might as well quite possibly be a child molester.

Oh Wait... I get it...

Meh again nothing that touches me directly or even indirectly. I just love it when people get all "it was so unexpected". Like somebody has beaten death before.

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Edit: BTW your smiley looks like it just had a finger stuck somewhere uncomfortable.


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#26263 - 06/25/09 06:45 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: ta2zz]
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Fucked up he was, but he made some amazing music.
Out of his misery now...
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#26264 - 06/25/09 06:51 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: Woland]
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I was never sure what to make of the allegations against MJ, personally I don't give a shit. I'm never going to know the truth so it's not worth me worrying about it.

As for music, people can't deny MJ influenced music greatly. He made some incredible songs, such as Black & White, Leave Me Alone, Earth Song, Smooth Criminal and classics like Thriller, Bad and Eat It. He has had more Weird Al parodies than any other artist and was probably the richest musician in the world until recently.

Not really a shocking death, but I like to look back on people who have influenced my life, and celebrities do influence me, music, film, TV, comedy etc, all changes how I feel and think, at least to some extent.
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#26265 - 06/25/09 06:58 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Good riddance to bad rubbish. Never liked anything he did. Thanks though, this story made me smile.
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#26268 - 06/25/09 07:19 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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To quote from THE HELL OF IT from Phantom of the Paradise, "Though your music lingers on all of us are glad you're gone." At least I am. Fuck him and his goddamn monkey.
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#26269 - 06/25/09 07:27 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: Woland]
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Seriously he did more than many to influence the world but really now... Which would you rather remember?


This

or....


This?

I rest my case.

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Any questions?
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#26270 - 06/25/09 07:48 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I can't honestly say that I've given a moment's thought to Michael Jackson for a long time.

I wonder if he'll suddenly be idealized after his death, much like happened to Princess Diana or Jade Goody. One moment the tabloids just love to dish the dirt and sleaze, and the next, the deceased was a wonderful angel for everyone to wail over.

It would at least be ironic concerning the former public perception of M.J.

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#26273 - 06/25/09 07:55 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: ta2zz]
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This is how I'll remember him.
Rest in peace Michael! ;\)


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#26274 - 06/25/09 07:59 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: Meq]
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I think he will be, remembered as a Peter Pan figure. A damaged soul, but a talented one (although I personally wasn't into his music ever as a teenager, I liked Alice Cooper), or he certainly has here already. They haven't even mentioned Farret yet. Damn that's typical. Bloody media.

Farret I suppose was at least expedted. You can't buy your life!

Zeph


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#26279 - 06/25/09 09:01 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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my opinion, along with what seems to be the majorities, fuck him, he might have served as a pop icon and even changed the pop scene of todays media, but pop is the exact opposite of any satanists concern.im surprised he has lived to reach 50, he was as plastic as barbie. it just goes to show money cant buy health. and his death will save many young boys from mental trauma(i know it was never proven, but any 50 year old who owns a place named "never never land" and spends his time sitting in a tree might aswell accept the title of child molester)
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#26283 - 06/25/09 09:57 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: MorbidMaxxx]
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I have to go with Ta2zz on this.
I will miss Farrah more. I grew up with her on tv, had her Charlie's Angels dolls, and just liked her personality.

She just was more "honest" in how she lived.

I think I might have her playboy layout around here someplace too.

Fuck michael, Thriller came out more than 20 years ago. What sane parent lets their little kid sleep over a grown mans house unsupervised. I do feel bad for his kids, I hope they dont end up with his parents.

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#26286 - 06/25/09 11:56 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Sorry, I have to take the higher road here. Michael was the Elvis of our generation. I am old enough to remember when Elvis died. I remember where I was, and my mom crying.

I posted this elsewhere, but it bears repeating. Compare the two... Eccentric, influenced music for generations, addicted to drugs, crossed all ethnic boundaries, built a fortune, amassed a ton of hits, died unexpectedly and at relatively the same age. I could go on.

Like me, I know younger folks will remember this day in much the same way I do when Elvis died. The news media is treating it much the same way.

I was never a huge fan of his. I did respect his work and achievemnents though. I still listen to his songs once in a while when I am feeling like it. Hmmm, name one artist or band today that would elicit such a response from the people should they die?
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#26288 - 06/26/09 12:00 AM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: fakepropht]
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Since MJ is 90% plastic, his body will be melted down and turned into Legos so little kids can play with him for once.
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#26293 - 06/26/09 07:47 AM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: MorbidMaxxx]
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 Originally Posted By: MorbidMaxxx
he might have served as a pop icon and even changed the pop scene of todays media, but pop is the exact opposite of any satanists concern.


That statement is narrowminded and plain silly.

In order to exist and function both outside and inside "The Box" (so to speak), a Satanist will have to concern him/her self deeply with popular culture.

If not; you will simply live inside another, equally invalid box.

MJ, fuckwit as he was for sure, was a musical genious.
The most complex and difficult task a composer can take on;
is to make successful popular music, and at the same time keep it on a very advanced level of musicality.
(W. A. Mozart comes to mind...)

Music is by far the highest form of art the human race has produced.
And Mr. Jackson was an excellent practitioner indeed.
His working relationship with Mr. Quincy Jones will enter the history of musical achievments as one of the greatest.

Will not miss his sad persona at all, walking media-circus as he was.
But the music he could have made...
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#26297 - 06/26/09 11:43 AM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: Woland]
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Well said Woland, and exactly my point. I don't care about his media issues, he was the Elvis of my generation indeed, ever radio station, music TV channel, college and school has done a tribute to him and his music. He was a genius and I feel a loss, his talent will be sorely missed.
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#26303 - 06/26/09 02:25 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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This is no longer my style, but let’s do it for old times sake shall we…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Well said Woland, and exactly my point.

Then why did it take Woland’s thoughts to get you there?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I don't care about his media issues, he was the Elvis of my generation indeed, ever radio station, music TV channel, college and school has done a tribute to him and his music.

You already said that in another reply your not caring about his personal (media?) issues. I guess he was close to Elvis well as close as fucking his daughter can get you. (she did look an awful lot like her daddy then)

Most people are like an empty windsock, no wind blowing and it will just sit there sagging, useless. But give it a good breeze and that windsock blows steady in one direction, with a purpose. That is all you are witnessing with these tributes. Nothing but empty people with no existence, no purpose being blown in one direction by the latest breeze, MJ’s death.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I was never sure what to make of the allegations against MJ, personally I don't give a shit. I'm never going to know the truth so it's not worth me worrying about it.

Remember this I will be mentioning it again.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
He was a genius and I feel a loss, his talent will be sorely missed.

He changed the world yadda yadda, he was a genius blah blah. Yet he was not smart enough to keep himself out of the media and law enforcements eyes for sleeping with children. Where just like OJ he clearly had enough money to buy whatever pleasure he wanted, be that child sex or killing his wife.

“Pop superstar Michael Jackson admitted last night in a television documentary that he loves to have young boys sleep in his bed. What's more, everyone should do it, says the 44-year-old Jackson, “It's what the whole world should do.”

That is truly a sign of fucking genius indeed. As you are fighting allegations of sexual abuse with a child you release a public statement like that. He should have just pulled out his membership to NAMBLA.

Ok I promised I would mention not caring about the things you cannot change like MJ’s allegations. I do question then why you would worry about things you cannot change such as MJ’s death.

Oh and sorry Woland while I do agree with most everything you said and I myself have little use for a NJ scratcher or his immature thoughts. I do have to say that would have, could have, should have little to no place in Satanic thought. Correct me if I am wrong. I myself feel no loss at this point in my journey. Only humor and wonder at the common human animals everyday rituals.

The Sainthood of Saint Wacko Jacko has begun right here on a Satanic forum.
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#26345 - 06/27/09 12:35 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: ta2zz]
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Sweet baby Jesus are we really talking about this?

Ok, I'll play your silly game...

I was born in 1970, so I was a little kid when the Jackson 5 were on the charts. I grew up in 'da hood' so the stylings of the Jackson 5 were just part of the soundtrack of daily life. In fact, movies like "Dolamite" and the original "Shaft" were more like documentaries to me, as were shows like "Starsky and Hutch" and "Baretta." It was really like that.

MJ was good when he was a black man. I think his whole life and career went south when became a white woman.

There is every indication that he did molest a few children and paid hush money to the families to cover it up. Without a witness/victim to press charges the police could never make a case. These means in truth, the parents acted as pimps engaging in the child sex trade.

In his industry he was a genius. He knew what his customers wanted and gave it to them in spades. He also owned one of the most valuable music catalogs in the industry. He made a healthy and steady income from the rights to most of the "Beatles" catalog as well as several others.

Of course, like most blacks he never understood wealth. While he was rich, he never built wealth. He was always in the process of refinancing his empire, fighting with creditors, selling valuable assets and living outside of his means. He died $500k in debt. Most likely, large portions of his remaining estate will have to be sold off to pay his debts and set up a trust for his surviving children.

The Prophet and comedian Chris Rock has a great monologue on the difference between being rich and being wealthy. It can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDkCE7WqxOE

One of the great divine comedies in all of this is that MJ died at 50. Despite a small fortune spent on his health he still died at 50. He gave every indication that he was obsessed over his health. I think in the end we will find that it was one of his 'treatments' that killed him. Probably some unforeseen drug interaction like what happened with Fen-phen ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fen-phen ).

Maybe there is a god?...
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#26354 - 06/27/09 03:32 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: Fist]
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I’m guessing you just hit quick reply but since your post is addressed to me I feel compelled to respond.

To clarify things it is not “my silly little game” you have decided to play along with. Replying to posts or creating our own threads are the means if not the purpose for any Internet forum is it not? Though it is amusing on a Satanist forum when posts like this get so much attention. But after seeing the response on the old forum of my Steve Irwin is dead thread, it is hardly unexpected.

I will also point out that it seems MJ was 400 million or 400M in debt not 400 or 500 thousand. This is no small feat in itself though not one I would call genius. Other than that I mostly agree with everything you say except I think too many give MJ genius status. Smart maybe, forced into the entertainment business by his family and father most sure. More like a product of his environment, surroundings and timing.

Seriously in billboard hits he is behind Elvis, the Beatles, and Mariah Carey. Honestly who would think Mariah Carey is up there with the likes of Elvis and the Beatles? I sure as hell didn’t but I have to admit I can name way too many MJ songs but not one of hers.

People die every day to me death is never unexpected but quite natural. MJ like so many other famous people will get more than his worth of mention now that he’s gone. His music sales have skyrocketed, and as such he is worth more dead than any comeback tour would have done for him, his family or the music industry.

Having said this I still stand with my windsock metaphor, this is just the latest strongest wind to blow. The last great wind to blow through the U.S. was 9-11. In a week or two when this fresh wind dies down most people will just go back to their meaningless boring existence, sitting like a windless windsock.

Such is the way of the common human animal.

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#26366 - 06/27/09 09:43 PM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: ta2zz]
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People have made some pretty unflattering remarks about MJ here. Has anyone considered that he might just have been innocent, wanting to share some of his fortune with kids because he liked children and wanted to see them happy, and like any millionaire who happens to be a little naive, was taken for every fucking penny by someone who wanted to make a quick buck and didn't care who they hurt in the process.

The courts acquitted him. All charges where dropped. I'm not privy to all the information but I doubt this is a case that could easily have been bought. I say he was most likely innocent but people in general want reason to hate him. Probably because they're jealous of his talent and success. If they didn't hate him for this, they would hate him for having that god awful nose, or for his pet monkey, or buying the elephant mans skeleton, (man he was weird). It's all media bullshit really.
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#26373 - 06/28/09 06:44 AM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Since MJ is 90% plastic, his body will be melted down and turned into Legos so little kids can play with him for once.

Just thought I'd throw in, I sure hope he isn't going for a cremation.
Plastic fumes are one hell of an eco-hazard.

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#26374 - 06/28/09 06:45 AM Re: Michael Jackson Died. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Dude, really.........

Would you let your under age kids sleep in bed with a 50 year old man.

He admitted he liked kids in his bed, gave the wine. He also paid off the parents to settle and seal the files.

If you were in america, you would have known more.

You really have to stop hating all media.
I just wonder why you do so much?


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