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#27670 - 07/29/09 12:34 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Caladrius]
bluj666 Offline
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That would be interesting to see. A new ONA movement with a new set of teachings and pratices. And if Myatt is doing away with the racial aspects of the practices then it would be much more approachable to new comers which would more then likely create a much larger following then that of of the 90's. However i dont see Myatt completely dropping the racial aspects and more then likely saving it for higher ranking members and discretly promping lower level members for it. But if what was just said is true I wouldnt be suprised to see a large movemnet of ONA tribes or what have you spreading worldwide within the year.
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#27673 - 07/29/09 12:45 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: bluj666]
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I understated myself. I should have said that 'racialism' has been a practical outer form which - as you imply - is still useful to some extent.

But Myatt's current attitude on race based on his concept of the Immorality of Abstractions [a la Numinous Way & current Reichsfolk & current ONA MSS] posits that 'race' like 'nation' are abstract terms and thus: supra-personal. Such concepts serving only to divert the mind's awareness from it Self onto something abstract.

It's very interesting to read DM's personal writings and see him evolve and grow as a person. His personal journey does influence the ONA through "Anton Long."

Whoever Anton Long is now.

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#27689 - 07/29/09 03:24 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Caladrius]
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Anton Long could possiable be Myatts alter ego rather then a way of conducting the ONA without Myatt being associated with it, if they are in fact the same person.

Now having said that, I was assuming you were talking about racial aspects like those used in the black mass where the Swastika was used and participants hailed hitler rather then satan or any of his other names.

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#27695 - 07/29/09 07:36 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: bluj666]
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BlueJ and others. Honestly, shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you are talking about. At best, you were still watching Sesame Street when Combat 18 members were being sent to prison and the Combat 18 USA was coming into being. Everything you know about ONA is based on something you read on the internet.

Before offering your 'original' thoughts you should sit and listen for a while. If you really feel the need to chime in, please post a question and perhaps one of the grown people here will answer it.
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#27705 - 07/29/09 11:23 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: bluj666]
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No BJ I wasn't referring to swastikas and black masses for Hitler. Looks like my attempt at clarifying myself didn't work.

I was inferring to such as Fist mentioned: C18; and C88, 'RAHOWA,' and actions of past Initiate of a pre-internet ONA. Un-wyrdful actions which rippled and eventually caused the ONA to 'go underground' for a period to learn from its mistakes - if we may call them that.

I was speaking with an Initiate who was active during this period in Norway who witnessed first hand, the power of Mythos and Narrative Magick, (its power to captivate the mind and emotions of a group of people and cause them to causally express such Narratives) in those days. Unfortunately the old ONA did not seem to know how to harness the force they generated to wyrdfully, aeonically, manifest - productive - ENDS. Resulting in many Initiates and associates going to prison. And the rest is history.

This is not to imply that the medium of the world wide web is a useless tool to the ONA today. We either learn to evolve and adapt with the progression of time and the causal changes it brings, or revert back to snail-mail tactics. It's just unfortunate that the internet is full of chattering, and such things like Homo Hubris lurking in Satanic forums. You catch my drift?


Edited by Caladrius (07/29/09 11:26 AM)
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#28027 - 08/07/09 12:30 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: bluj666]
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"That would be interesting to see. A new ONA movement with a new set of teachings and practices."


How synchronous of you to say so.
A revised edition of Naos for 2009 entitled 'Crux' is underway.

ISS,
"One of the grown people of the +O+"
Australian Nexion of the ONA


Edited by Khk (08/07/09 12:35 AM)

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#28109 - 08/07/09 10:18 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Khk]
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Are the ONA re-defining themselves? I, for one, am eager to hear their views, because I'm still not sure what they really are.

Edited by Azathoth68 (08/07/09 10:19 PM)

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#28171 - 08/09/09 01:14 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Caladrius]
bluj666 Offline
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ah my appoligies I wasn't even keeping in mind Maytt's involvement in those groups. I was focusing on the obvious Nazi propaganda within the pages of the ONA's literature. That would also be interesting to see how Maytts relationship with those groups if any would play out now.
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#28175 - 08/09/09 02:08 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Azathoth68]
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The esoteric ONA is always re-designing itself; it is met with an enviroment that does the same, aka the World. It is reactive and splinters off its esoteric magic into exoteric causal forms; each with their own duration and purpose and life of their own.

The alchemical formula of ONA is a basis of Change - that is, to be like Change itself. But this does not imply change for changes sake - but a definite strategy of gradually shifting certain viewpoints, structures and even individuals into a set formation.

A good analogy for this is to consider the ONA as playing a living star game (with very high stakes).

ISS,




Edited by Khk (08/09/09 02:10 AM)

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#29425 - 09/10/09 06:02 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Khk]
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It is very RHP, the creation of complex spiritual and psychological frame works entertwined with hidden political agendas. One thing I have personally moved away from is structure and external control. Satanism in its purist sense transends the pathetic attempts of man and his gods for control. The universe is in no need of assistance, just live in enlightment. Satan is personified/represented in the Bible in the story of Adams 'fall' or as we might term Adams 'lumination in the black flame'. Satan is the embodiment of unbridled truth, and rebellion until truth is achieved. I do wish those exploring the black dimensions in the path of the ONA enlightenment.
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#29430 - 09/10/09 11:00 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Dimitri]
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Firstly, I very much encourage these sorts of questions and debate. One of the core tenants of ONA is to prevent stagnation. The best of us comes about when challenged and tested.

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For starters: a new kind of human?


For the sake of simplicity, the Nietzschesque 'Ubermensch' comes immediately to mind - as does the Church of the SubGenius' 'Overman.' This requires nothing more than a phase shift in thinking by the practitioner. Of course, this is often easier said than done. Remember in my above post that I pointed out that most people will never have an original thought and are fully incapable of accepting one. Most are locked into memetic thinking and worst yet, these are other people's memes - not ideas of their own construction or even ideas that will directly benefit them. Worst still, most of the memes people walk around with memes that are actually counterproductive to their survival.

For anything you may think of L. Ron Hubbard, he did a good job at covering this sort of counterproductive thinking in "Dianetics" and "Science of Survival." Keep in mind that he wrote these books in the late 40's and early 50's before he went crazy and came up with Scientology. I recommend that any budding Transhumanist read these two works.

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The best warrior is the one who has known defeat...


A great deal can and should be learned from failure of any type. Learn from it and learn how to prevent it in the future. Do not repeat the same mistakes. However, this good advice has nothing to do with the doctrine of Death Before Dishonor. The world must be put on notice that you are willing to fight to the death before you yield and inch of ground. And, should you be forced to yield, your opponent will be on notice that they must remain ever vigilant, night and day, because he knows with meta-physical certainty that you will get exact revenge at ten fold the original cost.

This is the doctrine employed by all successful criminal gangs and was the foundation of the Roman Empire. Your enemies must know that you are a determined and relentless adversary. It must be known far and wide that only way to stop you is to kill you and bury the head.
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#29473 - 09/12/09 01:13 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Fist]
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Bury the head? It sounds like you have become angry and not-willing to accept other jejune points of view! Enjoy it!
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#29476 - 09/12/09 02:08 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: GillesdeRais]
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Maw beat me to it. I don't mind if people dislike ONA, think the concept is childish or insane or simply bullshit, as long as they present their criticism in a well written and coherent manner. What you posted here is just a waste of space.

I noticed in your introduction post you mentioning that you read the rules and decided to play by them. Good.
Now learn to adjust to our expectations.

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#29477 - 09/12/09 03:51 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Diavolo]
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Respond to what? Bullshit dumbass responses? Work on your own.

Edited by GillesdeRais (09/12/09 03:51 AM)
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#29478 - 09/12/09 03:54 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: GillesdeRais]
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There seems to be an overwhelming response to the cheap-ass whatever matters to this board. I hope you suck the degree of readied pole-sitters that matter to you/ Failed douche-bags.! \:\)
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