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#30251 - 10/03/09 04:03 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Over time my criticism of Satanic factions has lessened, partly because I don't find the infighting in xianity appealing, and two, I would rather dine witha member of CoS or ONA more than I would a common religio-fascist perpetrator.

As a parallel, in my dealings with all of the 500 nations here in the US I find Navajo and Ojibwe to be quite irritating, but despite this have an occasional friend there, too - familiarity breeds contempt but native americans in general understand me better and divisiveness only hurts us, rather than doing anything positive.

In the same way I am an independant Satanist but I need to be more forgiving of those under the banner of Satanism even if they have bizarre beliefs I don't agree with, since even this is preferable to the banality of mediocrity or normalacy.

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#30254 - 10/03/09 04:35 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Here's an old ONA MS on the ONA and Anarchy. It should be kepted in mind that this is old; and that to the Sinister Individual, such things as Anarchy serves only as a tool. In the same sense that "Satanism," NS, or now Radical Islam are outer tools for the sinister individual to utilize to manifest certain end results:

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ONA and Anarchy I: Magick and Politics


(Transcribed from a talk given by Anton Long at ONA Sunedrion, Oxford, yf 99)

Magick and Politics

What is occurring more and more within society, is adherence by individuals to ephemeral causes and 'opinions' as a result of the subjection to individuals to propaganda both overt and more 'covert' (i.e. 'subliminal'). That is, society is developing so as to make practical experience of the traumas of life more and more distant - the individual becoming shielded not only by the 'State' and its Institutions by also by ideas. Thus, the world is seen via the distorting lenses of these ideas. In the past, wisdom arose usually painfully over a period of time by diverse and often traumatic personal experience - that is, a very individual' 'view of the world' was formed as a result of these varied experiences. Of course, few arrived at even this stage of conscious development.

Magick, properly understood, was an attempt to 'short-circuit' this process - hence, for example, the tasks and procedures of the Grade Rituals in the seven-fold Way. Thus, magick built, from within and without 'the individual, a genuine foundation - an 'inner core' which enabled the individual to not only survive in an often-hostile world, but also enhance their life quite significantly. Magick restores the individual in a very important way to the 'roots of their being' allowing thus a personal growth.

However, society in general does the opposite. Its 'education', its Institutions, its Laws all act together to produce an individual lacking in spirit: that is, devoid of a personal world-view. Moreover, this occurs whatever the outward political allegiance of the society -e.g.. Socialist or capitalist or shades in between. - and occurs whether or not a particular society is 'democratic' or overtly 'repressive.

The only difference between the two is the method: the latter is more objectified and direct, often involving force and suppression, while the former is more devious (and all the more dangerous because of this).

Essentially, there is growing within nearly all the societies of the world a consensus and an adherence to a certain set of ideas and values. That is, there is a 'levelling down' of differences together with a real loss of individual freedom not only in terms of the ability of an individual to transit freely, unencumbered by whatever 'past' he or she may have, but equally importantly in terms of inner outlook. There is less and less 'realness' about individuals because the dramatic, formative experiences which shape and mould character and which give spirit are either becoming 'illegal'/frowned upon or made impossible by State control and/or indoctrination of the individual into a certain pattern of living/ideas about life.

In the practical sense, one could say not only are the legal restraints on an individual and their actions increasing, but also the direct power which States have over individuals (and this includes information about individuals) are ever growing. This, coupled with co-operation between States in the distribution/exchange of information and the desire for even more and larger 'federations' of States (e.g. like a 'European State') both national and international, means more and more direct personal restrictions and less and less 'inner freedom'. There is in short, much more superficial ways of living: ways encouraged by States and by those who adhere to what is fast becoming the accepted world 'idea-system'. This 'idea-system', it will surprise few here, is based to a great extent on the 'Nazarene view of the world'. Already in one of its many political forms it is established within the States of the West where its watchwords include 'democracy' and 'equality' and 'freedom'. Of course, those words enshrine clever ideas - but they are not real simply because they belong to something beyond one or at least a few individuals.

This is really the crux of the matter. What is real is that which exists for each one of us, and this is and must be discovered anew by every individual as part of the process of life itself: when it is not, there is no real life - only the appearance of it. There is thus no inner essence, only outward form. What this means is that all governments, States, Institutions or power-groupings negate this essence because our conscious life is a personal process of development pivotal upon our understanding of ourselves, the world, the cosmos and those few others with whom we inter-act in a very personal way: it should not be extrapolated beyond this, and all politics, all religion and all social pressures of whatever hue contradict this. They are, essentially, counter-evolutionary because they make the individual reliant on that which is not born from within. Thus there can be no such thing as genuine 'democracy/freedom/equality' and all attempts to create what are only abstract ideas destroy individuality. Such abstract ideas, however, continue to flourish, and they continue to make the individual sterile. There will be, in the near future, more and reliance upon such ideas, more and more attempts to make them a 'reality' in State/governmental forms - e.g.. in Eastern Europe and beyond.

Of course, this analysis forms the core of 'genuine anarchism': but even this is a label, an ism - which has evolved into an 'idea' with all the dissent appropriate to an idea. Magick is a means away from all this - it is a practical system, devoid of dogma, and makes possible the next stage of our evolution as individuals. As such, it is direct opposition to all power-forms - governmental, religious or social - although this opposition is silent and will remain silent.(Note 1)

Magick is individual and will remain individual and while current conditions remain not unfavourable as regards the spread of information relating to its techniques, this will probably change: simply because inner liberation is and will continue to be so for some time the province of a small number of individuals while the devotees of abstract political and social ideas continue to flourish and expand.

This, naturally, is only a brief resume of the problem and what perhaps it is essential to remember is that we as artists of the magickal possess the ability to bring about change: both within ourselves and, should we wish it, within the society within which we live. The essence of the former is the seven-fold way, that of the latter: Aeonic Magick.

(This article first appeared in Issue 34 (Summer Solstice) yf101 of Azoth, an internal ONA bulletin.)


(1) Silent as in "covert" - at least in respect of the intention of the Initiate/Adept of the Sinister Tradition of the ONA. Understood magickally, politics, of whatever type, is one means, one form, used in a magickal way by an Initiate/Adept to bring about causal change in accord with the sinister intent of that Initiate/Adept, and in accord with intent of the Sinister Dialectic itself.

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#30267 - 10/04/09 02:41 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Your welcome,

That's one of the more fascinating aspects of the ONA, or rather Long/Myatt: is that it will adopt any subversive tool to undermine what it calls "the Magian" to the point where from an exoteric perspective, the ONA seems to completely contradict itself.

You've got ONA embracing "Satanism" and expounding the wonders and virtues of Radical Islam. Then you have ONA seemingly embracing National-Socialism and racialism, and at the same time makes White People the new Subhuman species to be hated and destroyed.

The following MS will answer some of your questions you have. It is fresh out of the head of David Myatt. It is one manuscript in a series of such manuscripts he has written which deals with "Homo Hubris," and "Vindex."

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The Downfall of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris

Introduction


The downfall of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris, the destruction of their nation-States, of The West itself, is something not only to be desired, but also striven toward by all practical means.

Why? Because as mentioned in Chapter Two of The Mythos of Vindex, “The White Hordes of Homo Hubris…have consistently and for many centuries been the destroyers, par excellence, of The Numinous.” In addition, it is and has been The White Hordes of Homo Hubris (Footnote 1) who are and who were the natural allies and the footsoldiers of the Magian, and who are responsible for the present triumph, in the West, of the Magian and the Magian ethos, which triumph has enabled the creation of the tyrannical, dishonourable, modern nation-States with their abstract laws, their materialism and their mechanistic so-called “progress”. For is The White Hordes of Homo Hubris who – doing the bidding of their Magian masters, knowingly or unknowingly – have used brutal force and war to fight and destroy each and every attempt to resist the control of the Magian, just as it is and has been The White Hordes of Homo Hubris who have brutally and ruthlessly put down each and every rebellion against the Magian ethos, and who at the time of writing are engaged in yet another war against those who seek to free themselves from Magian control and who desire to live in communities free of the stifling, un-numinous materialistic, mechanistic, Magian ethos.

Why have The White Hordes of Homo Hubris done this? Why are they, and why have they been, the allies, servants and footsoldiers of the Magian? Is it because of their ethnicity – something innate? Or is it because they themselves have enthusiastically adopted, or became infected with, the Magian ethos itself? Fundamentally, it is combination of both these factors.

The Character of Homo Hubris

The White Hordes have, and have had for at least two thousand or more years, a certain innate character (Footnote 2). This character is one of arrogant aggression; of arrogant interference; of cunning; and especially of hubris – that belief, that instinct, that impatience – often born from some feeling of “Destiny” – that “they know better”, that they are somehow “more civilized” than others, and that “progress” or change is in itself desirable. In addition, they seem to have some innate desire to manufacture and to identify with – and some kind of addiction to – causal abstractions; to impose categories, -isms, and -ologies upon themselves, others, the world, and the Cosmos itself.

Basically, they are and have been for thousands of years, restless, and have either (1) never managed, en masse, to establish a balance within themselves and so have been unable or unwilling to manufacture – for long – stable, communities and societies which express, manifest and continually presence the numinous, sans abstractions; or (2) have never been able to control, for very long, their primal instincts, their lack of respect for the numinous, and their innate bullying savagery, although they have managed, or rather connived, to convince themselves, and sometimes others, that they, and their ways, are somehow “civilized”, although this so-called “civilized behaviour” of theirs that they have often been so very proud of is and only ever has been at best a thin veneer, and at worst mere pretence, for while showing to others, and the world, a civilized and “honourable” public face, they have hypocritically continued to act, in private, in an altogether different way, as was for so evident, for instance, in the days of the British Raj in India, and of British control in places like East Africa, where the private lives of the individuals did not match the hypocritical high standards they preached about in public and which they attempted to convince people they were examples of.

This utter hypocrisy, this lack of control, this cunning, this aggression, this hubris, this insolence and disrespect of the numinous, this desire for the illusion and the security of abstractions, is so evident, also and more recently, in the behaviour of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris in places like Afghanistan, which they have occupied by force in order to impose their ways, their abstractions, upon the peoples there. Thus, they have yet again disrupted and are attempting to destroy the ways of life of others; and are yet again using force, terror, cunning, lies – and all the other tactics of the insolent – in order to get those peoples to adopt some mythical idealized way of life, which idealized way of life does not even exist and never has existed even in the Western lands of The White Hordes.

Thus, The White Hordes of Homo Hubris are yet again bringing death, destruction, disruption, hunger, and suffering, to others in the name of some mythical un-numinous abstraction. In the case of Afghanistan, it is in the name of the un-numinous abstraction “democracy” and in the name of “peace”, by which the sly White Hordes mean, of course, the so-called “peace” that arises when one surrenders to a bully, that is, surrenders to them.

The character of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris is also evident in their desire to control, to restrain, to “organize” – to try to dominate – Nature. The character of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris is evident in their obsession with causal Time and with “planning”, which obsession anyone who comes from, or who has lived for any time among, other non-Western communities and cultures and cultures, will recognize. For example, individuals who belong to The White Hordes of Homo Hubris will expect others to share their attitude that “causal Time” is valuable, a kind of commodity, and can be measured out, and, indeed, The White Hordes of Homo Hubris have gone to great lengths – as part of their cultural colonialism – to impose their causal Time and their schedules (based on some abstraction), and their causal orientated mechanistic “planning”, on other peoples, world-wide.

Most other cultures, however, have or had an understanding of life as it is – as a slow flow of slow change, in rhythm with Nature, which slow flow of slow natural and local change those individuals accept and which they do not, for the most part, attempt to struggle against. But, for The White Hordes of Homo Hubris, it is constant struggle – for they desire to impose themselves, their “Time”, their abstractions, upon others and upon Nature. For instance, for them, mañana is an irritation, an inconvenience; just as wu-wei is, and just as “InshaAllah” (as commonly used, for example, by Egyptians) is. For The White Hordes of Homo Hubris, a delay of a day, or a week, or more, is unacceptable, just as for most of their kind the subtle delicacy of chadō is a “waste of time”, an irritation, or something “quaint and touristy”; just as the intricacies and meanings of Ram thai – evolved naturally and locally over periods of natural Time – are and were lost on these impatient “foreign devils” and for whom such things are at best something they can momentarily gawp at. For The White Hordes of Homo Hubris have always ridiculed, or dismissed, or seem as inferior, or wanted to change, the natural practices and ways of every single people they have ever come into contact with, from the Native Americans, of North and South America, to the tribes of Africa, to the lands of Khmer and Tai, to the islands of Nihon.

Given their character, their impatience, their hubris and insolence, their desire for an almost instant gratification, their addiction to abstractions, it is no wonder then that The White Hordes of Homo Hubris came to destroy the culture, the communities, the tribes, of others, and have imposed upon other peoples their own unfeeling, their own causal and un-numinous, abstractions, manufacturing thus modern abstract nation-States in place of the subtle numinous culture of Bushido and Samurai, in place of regional small ancestral kingdoms such as Tai, Khmer, and Mon, and trying to destroy and replace the tribal ways of the Ashanti, Afar, Hopi, Tsitsistas, Ndee, Siksika, and the many, many, others whom they often ruthlessly uprooted from their ancestral lands and whom they demanded, often by force, adopt the ways and abstractions of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris.

Now, of course, they and their savants pretend, for the most part, to “treasure and recognize the importance of the world’s cultural diversity”, but what remains of this diversity – after century upon century of military and cultural colonialism by The White Hordes – is for the most part now rootless, not derived from a thriving, living, numinous and tribal way of life which owes little or nothing to the ways, the abstractions, of the West. Such “cultural diversity” is now often only some “tourist attraction” for the tourists of The White Hordes “to enjoy” and gawp at, or something the Western-style governments and nations of other lands have appropriated and which they promote in order to foster a kind of artificial national unity, and a Western-style nationalism, among the citizens of these more-often-than-not Western created new nation-States, over which the West still retains control, directly or covertly, by the threat of military force, by usurious loans, through “aid”, through political and economic blackmail, or by others means.

Furthermore, what The White Hordes and their Magian masters will not tolerate, in the modern world, is another land, another country, other peoples, being free from Western control, free from Western abstractions, and having a way or ways of life that place their own numinous ancestral culture, their own numinous laws, and a tribal way of living, before the mechanistic material “culture” of the West, before the abstract laws of the West, and before the soul-less abstraction of the usury-driven, debt ridden, tax-demanding nation-State. Any and other such attempts by other peoples to free themselves from Western abstractions, Western control or influence, have been and are ruthlessly put down, which the sly bullying White Hordes of Homo Hubris, and their even slyer Magian masters, always manufacturing some “excuse” for their actions, for their intervention, for the crippling sanctions they impose. (Footnote 3)

Adoption of the Magian Ethos

Long before they devolved even further to become – during and after the so-called Industrial Revolution – Homo Hubris, The White Hordes of the old Europe had begun to undermine and disrupt our natural and slowly evolving connexion to the Numinous, based as this connexion was on tribal communities and the law of personal honour. That is, based on a human, individual, scale of things, on personal knowledge of and interaction with and respect for, others, and upon an awareness, often only instinctive, of ourselves as an integral part of Nature. This connexion thus gave rise to a natural and balanced and fundamentally pagan attitude toward life where the individual for the most part had or could strive to have power over their own affairs or at least the basic freedom to defend themselves with weapons and where the only authority was a local, tribal or clan, one, with those in possession of such authority being personally known to the individual and almost always respected by the individual by virtue of being, for instance, clan or tribal elders.

This undermining and this disruption of the numinous by The White Hordes occurred because of their innate restless insolent character, and because of their manufacture of various un-numinous abstractions which – from the times of Ancient Greece – they interposed between themselves and the reality of the Cosmos and which they increasingly began to adhere to or see as “ideals” to be striven for. These abstractions included, of course, the Platonian “ideal” itself, the notion of potestas tribunicia, and the abstraction of a codifiable law, which established the Imperium Romanum. In many ways, it was this abstraction of a codified law, together with the imposition of a remote, impersonal, authority – often maintained by force and almost always sustained by mandatory taxes – which began the unfortunate dominance of The White Hordes and which marked the real beginning of their de-evolution, of their increasing distance from, and disruption of, the numinous. Of their, in brief, wholesale adoption of and belief in profane abstractions over and above the ways of the Numen. For they began to make this abstraction of a codified law and a remote, impersonal, authority, sustained by mandatory taxes, an ideal to be striven for.

However, it was their outward and inward adoption of the abstractions of what became the religion and dogma of the Nazarene that began not only their great and rapid descent back toward barbarism, and thence ultimately toward and into the new subspecies Homo Hubris, but also and importantly led to an alliance with the Magian, which alliance in its beginnings had more to do with usury, avarice and the power of so-called Kings and rulers, than it had to do with changing the world for the worse based on some messianic abstraction or on some prejudiced desire to “civilize the natives”.

Even so, there were times – several times – when some of the peoples from The White Hordes of the old Europe forsook the ways of abstractions and of profanity, and returned to the old ways of balance and a natural paganism. But every time such a natural balance was restored within some communities of the West, it became undermined, and was ultimately destroyed, by the restless insolent abstraction-loving character germane to the White Hordes themselves, often because of the desire to pursue, to believe in, to implement, some un-numinous abstraction; some dogma, so -ism or some -ology, be these -isms or these -ologies deemed to be “political”, social, or “religious”, which terms themselves (politics, religion, social) are of course just more examples of the un-numinous illusive causal abstractions imposed upon the numinous reality of our organic, acausally-imbued life.

What we have now – manifest in The White Hordes of Homo Hubris and their Magian masters, with their modern tyrannical nation-States – is the result of The White Hordes having: (1) adopted and adapted what became the abstraction of the Nazarene (Magian-derived) way of life; (2) having adopted and adapted the Magian principle of usury; (3) having manufactured from the Nazarene abstraction and from their own other abstractions (such as a codified law and a remote, impersonal, authority, sustained by mandatory taxes) new abstractions; and (3) from them striving to implement, because of and using their innate character, these new abstractions, such as modern “democracy”, the modern nation-State, and the mythical desire for so-called “peace” to be established, of course, by and under the aegis of the armed forces led by or dominated by The White Hordes who have manufactured for themselves a world mandate, courtesy of their creations such as the so-called “United Nations”.

Thus was the rough beast – our mortal enemy – born, to slouch toward Bethlehem, where it helped to bring about the Zionist entity, which entity has come to believe that its messianic hour is almost here, at last.

The Tyrannical Abstraction of The State

One of the fundamental problems of our times in the un-numinous, the tyrannical, the impersonal, abstraction of The State, maintained as this abstraction is by mandatory taxes, by an increasingly bullying Police force which increasingly relies upon surveillance and paid informers, and imbued as this abstraction is with a mechanistic materialism, a capitalistic ethos, and the ever-present threat of individuals being incarcerated in some barbaric prison if they break some law which some servant or servants of The State have manufactured in order to ensure the survival of The State and the survival of those oligarchies who control The State and who benefit from its existence.

The modern State – wherever in the West or in the world it is located – seeks to imbue its citizens with either some sort of abstract national pride (for which it has manufactured a lifeless un-numinous so-called national “culture”) or with a belief in some other abstraction of a political, social, or religious nature, just as it assigns a high priority to other abstractions such as “national security” or “national defence”, and just as it uses all the means at its disposal – from the Media to entertainment to sport to manufactured celebratory events to worthless so-called “traditions” to promises about “change” and “progress” – in an attempt to keep its mostly debt-ridden wage and salary slaves reasonably content, knowing that it needs the taxes it steals and extorts from them in order to maintain its existence, and the existence of the parasites who feed upon it and who benefit from it.

For the modern nation-State is, in truth, a large legalized protection racket, demanding you pay “protection money” or you will be visited by their “heavies” (the Police and the other agencies they control) and then either asked to pay even more protection money (a “fine”) or be imprisoned for however long they deem appropriate in their barbaric prisons, which prisons they maintain as a means of persuasion and control. for the so-called “justice” of the State and its flunkies is an abstract, impersonal, “justice” wholly unrelated to the natural and numinous (and real) justice which derives from personal honour – for their abstract so-called “justice”, and their Police forces and their laws, take away the freedom and the ability of the individual to make their own judgement of others, to be responsible for themselves, and to seek honourable redress in a personal, direct, manner.

What all this amounts to is that The State makes the individual rootless, powerless, and undermines and destroys the connexion of the individual to the numinous, for it destroys that natural, numinous, culture which arises from our natural, tribal, human, way of living. It takes away the ability of the individual to evolve in a natural way, for it replaces the natural perspective of Nature and the Cosmos with the perspective of various lifeless abstractions, all of which abstractions have their own lifeless, un-numinous and ultimately causal and mechanistic goals. Even what passes for “religion” or for a non-material Way in such States is lifeless, un-numinous and ultimately meaningless because it is either an abstraction itself (some -ism, some -ology) or because it demands subservience of the individual to its dogma and does not recognize, promote nor accept either personal empathy or personal honour as a basis for insight and for living.

In contrast, a true numinous way of living is never “religious” and never supra-personal; it is never impersonal and dogmatic, and never demands subservience to some impersonal authority. Instead, a true numinous way of living: (1) always arises from, and is part of, a natural tribal or clan-based community who live, who work, together in some locality and who thus know each other personally or know of, or are related to, the others in such a locality, and (2) always allows for, and indeed often insists upon, the importance of individual empathy, of individual experience, of individual change, never ever thus negating those three most fundamental principles of genuine freedom, of our humanity itself: empathy, personal honour, and a learning from direct personal experience, which personal learning builds noble character and which personal, practical and direct experience is far far more valuable than the abstract impersonal “learning” and the “knowledge” and the “experience” obtained in and enforced by impersonal Institutions and by mandatory State schools.

For the birth of this beast, The State, we have to thank The White Hordes of Homo Hubris and the influence of the Magian ethos, and for the continued existence of this beast and its modern progeny we have to thank the alliance of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris and the Magian. However, what began as an alliance has now become, in the last several decades, almost total control of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris by the Magian, and an almost total reliance, by The White Hordes, on not only The State, but also on abstractions, which abstractions now include the new mythos which the Magian and their willing helpers among the White Hordes have developed as one means of control (Footnote 4).

The Downfall of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris

How can we, how should we, deal with this beast, The State, and thus re-establish our connexion to the numinous? First, we have to accept that the peoples of the West – the vast majority of whom are still part of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris – will not, and cannot, suddenly change their nature, and what has now become their character, and neither will they, at least not in the next century or so, free themselves from the control of the Magian and from their subservience to The State. For this State still provides them with, and will continue to provide them with, a reasonable materialistic way of life, and the Magian will ensure that the troops and minions of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris will fight for, and/or obtain by whatever means, whatever resources are needed, wherever in the world they are, in order for their lackey Western States, and their own beloved Zionist entity, to survive.

Given all these things, it is reasonable to suggest and expect and to work toward one or both of the following. (1) That the societies of the West have to broken down and disrupted from within by those who understand the perfidy of the abstraction of The State and who desire to live in either a new numinous, and evolutionary, way, or in a way consistent with their own, non-Western, culture or way of life. (2) That those, external to the West, who have suffered most at the hands of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris – and who have somehow managed to maintain at least some of their own numinous culture or some of their own ancestral tribal ways, and who may not yet be infected that much by the Magian ethos and the new Magian mythos – should begin to free themselves from Western control and Western influence by practical and/or by “spiritual”/cultural means, which practical means includes the use of armed force, rebellion, and insurrection, and which cultural means include embracing a tribal way of life, ancestral or otherwise.

In both of these, the emphasis needs to be moved away from the traditions, the history, the past culture, the current ethos, of the indigenous peoples of the West (the White “foreign devils”) and instead directed toward either (1) that of other non-Western peoples or (2) toward a new numinous and tribal way of living for peoples of any ethnicity, White and non-White. (Footnote 5)

Thus, it is time for a genuine new beginning, away from the West of today and yesterday. Time for the crimes, the oppression, the tyranny, of the West – of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris – to be exposed, to be understood, and for Western ways, values and abstractions to be rejected in favour of the ways, the traditions, the culture, of other peoples and in favour of our new and numinous way. It is time for other peoples to cease to regard and cease to view the West, and The White Hordes of Homo Hubris, as examples to followed and admired, and for the so-called progress and the current prosperity of the West to be understood for what it is: the bloody result of centuries of colonialism; the result of centuries of exploitation of the peoples and resources of the world; the result of centuries of blackmail, extortion, plunder, war, and atrocity after atrocity; the consequence of real holocaust after real holocaust.

Indeed, it is correct to state that the barbarian peoples of the West – despite their sly propaganda to the contrary – are the most blood-thirsty people in human history, having been responsible, during their recent “Second World war” alone, for the killing of over seventy million people, which is equivalent to exterminating more than the whole population of a country such as modern day France. In addition, if one considers the slaughter that the West have been responsible for in the past one hundred and fifty years alone, it is equivalent to exterminating far more than the whole population of a populous country such as modern day Pakistan.

Therefore it is indeed time for Western ways, values and abstractions to be rejected, and for the West itself to be brought down. For the West, with its abstract nation-States, with its White Hordes of Homo Hubris in thrall to the new Magian mythos and fighting for and on behalf of that mythos, is the greatest obstacle to our further evolution; the greatest tyranny to have befallen us in our history, although few among The White Hordes realize this, so brainwashed have they been by the sly propaganda of their nations, and so unaware as they are and have been of true, the evolutionary, purpose of our individual lives. For this modern profane mechanistic materialistic tyranny has taken away from us our numinous tribal ways, taken away our numinous living culture, our empathy, and our personal honour: our freedom to live numinously.

Furthermore, the foundation, the basis, the essence, of the change required to bring about the downfall of The White Hordes of Homo Hubris and their nation-States, is the change toward creating new communities; the change toward new tribes and tribal ways of living, whether these are urban based or rural, and whether or not – in the case of non-Western lands – these are based on or inspired by surviving traditions and surviving ancestral ways. That is, there is and must be a rejection of the abstraction of The State itself, and a desire to embrace the natural, the numinous way, of tribes and clans. The way of the tribe is the way of the future; the way toward a conscious and a continuing evolution, while the way of The State is the way of restriction, of tyranny, of impersonal control.

The change, the evolution, that we seek to bring about is a natural one; an evolutionary return to what is numinous; a restoration of the balance that has been lost, and this is, in essence, a return to a tribal way of life, a return to and a development of empathy, and a return to the law of personal honour in place of the abstract law of The White Hordes and of the Magian.

This is an evolutionary return because it derives from a knowledge and understanding of the perfidy of abstractions – and especially the perfidy of The State and of conventional religions – and from a knowledge and understanding of ourselves as a nexion. That is, it is based on an appreciation and awareness of the numinous, and is a conscious choice to change ourselves in a natural and numinous way. It is evolutionary because there is no desire to tro to re-create some idealized past or some mythical past way of living, tribal or otherwise. Instead, there is a striving to evolve, to become part of, to bring-into-being, new tribes, to form new communities from these new tribes, and to allow the development of new and numinous and vibrant cultures from these new communities.

Then – having awoken from the abstractive illusions that currently hold most people in a dream-like sleep – we can evolve, change, and develope; we will cease to be children, and instead become mature human beings who can leave their childhood home, this planet we call Earth, evolving thus to become an entirely new species of being.

David Myatt

Notes:

(1) For a general description of Homo Hubris, see (a) Homo Hubris and the Disruption of The Numinous and (b) The Ethos of Vindex In Historical Context (Part Two of The Mythos of Vindex)

(2) A good example of their type of character is the figure of Alexander of Macedon, who was ruthless, cunning, ambitious, vain, arrogant, restless, insolent, who believed himself to have a “Destiny”, and who set about disrupting the ways of life of other peoples, and imposing his own way upon those he conquered, thus destroying their tribal ways and thus upsetting the natural balance which those peoples had attained over long periods of time. In place of their ancestral tribal ways – which maintained for them a connexion to the Numinous – he imposed his own lifeless abstractions.

In describing the nature and character and thus the personality, the persona, of the collective White Hordes, we are, of course, generalizing, based as this generalization is upon a study of the history of the old Europe, and upon the deeds committed by the collective White Hordes in the past thousand years, including their colonialism.

Since it is a generalization, some or indeed many individuals belonging to, or deemed to be belong to, The White Hordes may have a character, a nature, a persona, different from, or even quite distinct from, that of the collective White Hordes themselves.

(3) Communism – and all forms of political socialism – are just more un-numinous abstractions manufactured by The White Hordes and by the Magian, with all or most of these forms requiring some State for them to be, in theory, implemented or tried. Similarly, all forms of modern democracy are un-numinous abstractions and most if not all also require some State for them to be implemented or tried.

Thus, all these forms, all these abstractions – like capitalism and fascism and all conventional religions – do not and never can liberate the individual or a people and return them to a numinous way of life, but instead only serve to enslave them further to un-numinous abstractions.

(4) This new Magian manufactured mythos slyly combines several elements. The first element is the almost mythical belief that the so-called “West” (and especially America) is a bastion of “reason, justice, and freedom”; that “democracy” means “freedom and peace”; and that those who do or who may oppose the nation-States of the West (for whatever reason) are “enemies of freedom, and enemies of reason and democracy”. The second element is that the way to prosperity and “freedom” and happiness lies in accepting the values, the ways, the abstractions, of the West, such as “democracy” and usury. The third element is that the Western created “United Nations” – over which the West maintains control by means of the so-called Security Council – has a mandate to intervene in the affairs of any country, by force if necessary; impose punitive sanctions, and is generally “keeping the peace”, although of course this so-called “peace” is really submission. The fourth element is that the West – and whatever allies it deems suitable (such as the Zionist entity) – has a right, and even a duty, to possess vastly superior weapons, including nuclear weapons, which it can and which it should deny to whomsoever it chooses, so that its military power can never, ever, be challenged by conventional means.

The fifth element – and perhaps the most sly element – of the new Magian mythos is the one that binds all the others together, and this is that the West, and those chosen to be their allies, have in the last hundred years fought and won several hard, difficult, wars for their “freedom” and their “rights”, which “wars for freedom” most importantly include what is called The Second World War, where the forces of “good” (the West, their allies and friends, including the Magian) narrowly defeated the forces of “evil” (the German National-Socialists and the warriors of Nippon) with the German National-Socialists accused of being responsible for the worst atrocity in human history (the so-called Shoah) and which so-called atrocity led to the necessary establishment of the Zionist entity, which entity should therefore be supported at whatever cost, and is itself a bastion of democracy and freedom.

The final element of the new Magian mythos is the belief that the West must defend itself, “whatever the cost”; that threats to “freedom” exist now or will exist; that the security of Western nations and of their allies are vital to freedom itself, and that its people should be and are expected to make sacrifices to ensure “our continuing freedom” even if this means going to fight in some war somewhere, or supporting whatever Western security organizations do and whatever laws governments may manufacture to “protect their freedom and their national security”.

Most if not all the peoples of the West accept and believe in most if not all of this modern mythos.

(5) Basically, the White peoples of the West need to cure themselves of their addiction to, and their desire to manufacture, abstractions, as they need to reform their own character by developing empathy, by re-engaging with and respecting the numinous, and by returning to and embracing the individual way of individual honour. Fundamentally, they need to reject the abstractions of the nation-State, of conventional “religions” and the causality of all “politics”, and instead embrace a new and tribal way of living.

Thus, it is not a question of ethnicity or of ethnic conflict – but rather the opposite; bringing-into-being in the West new ethnically diverse tribes. It is a question of all peoples, but especially the White peoples of the West – rejecting lifeless abstractions and adopting instead numinous ways based upon a new tribal way of life.

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#30268 - 10/04/09 03:31 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Caladrius]
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 Originally Posted By: Caladrius
... The following MS will answer some of your questions you have. It is fresh out of the head of David Myatt. It is one manuscript in a series of such manuscripts he has written which deals with "Homo Hubris," and "Vindex."

Well, I'm sorry, but all it did was trigger my MEGO alarm.

It sure would be convenient if all the screwy things done by hairless primates on this planet were identifiable by some physical feature (skin, hair, eyeball color; earlobes; pointed eyebrows; etc.). Then we could just hangemallhighatdawn and find ourselves in a perfect, schmoozy utopian society, perhaps like Pleasantville. Golly gee whiz, count me in! [Woops, better trim those eyebrows ...]
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#30274 - 10/04/09 06:57 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
 Originally Posted By: Caladrius
... The following MS will answer some of your questions you have. It is fresh out of the head of David Myatt. It is one manuscript in a series of such manuscripts he has written which deals with "Homo Hubris," and "Vindex."

Well, I'm sorry, but all it did was trigger my MEGO alarm.

It sure would be convenient if all the screwy things done by hairless primates on this planet were identifiable by some physical feature (skin, hair, eyeball color; earlobes; pointed eyebrows; etc.). Then we could just hangemallhighatdawn and find ourselves in a perfect, schmoozy utopian society, perhaps like Pleasantville. Golly gee whiz, count me in! [Woops, better trim those eyebrows ...]


Said the washed up/sell out Aquino: who is now a user at a LaVeyan forum to: David Myatt. I don't have to defend David Myatt. 20 years, and you're still hating on Myatt huh? To what end Aquino? Is it gunna turn your blue name tag green or something LOL? You know how wack it is for the likes of someone like you or a LaVey, or a Myatt to be in a forum indirectly selling his out dated irrelevant shit by himself? You don't see Myatt up in here selling his shit and battling you. Myatt's got people doing that shit for him. What you got? Nothing. Action speaks louder than words: What have you done for the past 20-30 years, compared to what David Myatt has done? I'm not talking about what the two of you have written, or what propaganda you two have spewed out. I'm talking about what shit have either of you done beside talk. Which one of you two [Aquino & Myatt] can not only do the talking, but walks the fucking walk. You think it makes you a big man for attacking a manuscript philosophically and intelligently? Go challenge Myatt to a duel if you got something against him. Schedule a time and place so the two of you old folks can box it out dude. Tell me when and where, and I'll pass the word down to the Mu Mu. I got $5 that says Myatt will kick the shit out of your ass. But don't act like you're the shit all washed out in here.

Myatt might not have ever made any sense to you Aquino, but even sans his accomplishments and influence, he still has a few things you don't have: 1. Sanity: he never claimed to be speaking to no Satan, Set, vishnu or whoever; 2. He never dressed wack like the grandfather from the Adamm's Family like you; 3. Determination: it could be said that Myatt's ideas are crazy; sure; but Myatt's been living his beliefs unequivocally for the past 30 years. How about you Aquino? What happened to you? Lets see, before you were communicating with Set like Blackwood talks with satan, now the "entity" you spoke with was a what do you call it today? And after all those years of claiming the shit you claimed back, you're a common user in a forum; and one that is not even "Setian." Where your boys at? Where your peeps at homie? You gotta make friends with "LaVeyan" Satanists; because ain't no "Setians" left! Why? because your shit is irrelevant to the needs and weltanschauung of today's current 21st century generation. That "Setian" shit didn't even last longer than LaVey's memeplexes. LaVey out did you, and he still continues to out do you, and he's dead. And what you got on Myatt?

You got every right to have the opinions you have of Myatt and his writing. And you can even debate the shit for all I care. But that don't change the basic fact that Myatt is the shit: 30 years and he is still doing what he has been doing: raising hell. What you doing? Oh, typing away in a forum on the internet? Good job, 30 year Aquino.

Like I said, if you got beef with Myatt's writing, at least be a real man about it and schedule a duel. We'd all love to see Aquino and Myatt fight LOL! I got 5 on the Mu Mu, I hear he knows martial arts. What a joke. Continue with your internet ramblings with me and everybody else in here. While Myatt is somewhere out there, still ticking like a time bomb.

ONA!


Edited by Caladrius (10/04/09 07:13 PM)
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#30278 - 10/05/09 12:41 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Caladrius]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Caladrius
Said the washed up/sell out Aquino ...

Wow, great tantrum. But I think it missed my point, which I apologize if I phrased too whimsically: that Myatt's essay was long, droning, and incoherent - and premised upon silly & simplistic racism. This kind of apocalyptic hand-wringing has been going on since Spengler, and it's just as pouty and pointless now as then. The world is as it is; if you [or Myatt] can do something to improve it, great. If not, you're just underfoot.

I really don't care about Myatt personally one way or the other; as that old rascal Leo Martello once remarked to me, "Everyone can go to Hell on his own banana peel." Myatt is as welcome as anyone else to say what he has to say; and if people are impressed, good for him. What he [or you] can't do is throw a hissy-fit if they're not.

As for the Temple of Set, it's purring along just fine, thank you; it's on the web over here. I retired from the High Priesthood in 1996, but even before then had seen every aspect of its interests and studies soar far beyond my own expertise and competence. I am very pleased at that, as well as by the fact that everyone who has passed through the Temple in the past 34 years has both enjoyed the encounter and remained, or departed, the wiser for it.

I remain a Priest of Set [and regular participant in its forums], but I have been spending some recent time here because I am a bit nostalgic about "the old Satanic days" and curious to see how Satanism-as-such has sailed the seas of time since 1975. I'm much more impressed than I thought I would be, at least where the community which has come together on the 600 Club is concerned.

In my secular life I think I've done O.K.; what exactly is Myatt's secular record, since you are so impressed with it?
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#30279 - 10/05/09 01:35 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Well thank you for you're resume. I'll keep it in a file somewhere Aquino lol. That resume of yours looks awfully familiar? Like I've read the exact same thing almost verbatim before when a few other submitted their resumes to me? Did you copy off of Grand Magister Blackwoood and the Last Samurai Velus Pravus [ONA affiliate]?!

I'll wait for Myatt to turn in his resume to me like you lamely did. And after my review I will let you guys know which one won the million dollar prize. Velus Pravus' resume was more fascinating though. He was raised by a Japanese family of Samurai, and he was a Vietnam vet, and he does know Aikido and he is a Ninja LMAO!

Speaking of fat liars; Blackwood even has you beat nowadays. Besides having more dead weight membership than you. Blackwood's shit, whatever it is has done something your Temple of Set has failed to do: Jump the Generation Gap.

People around my own generation: [15-20ish] have heard of Blackwood; have become familiar with what memes and ideas he sells: as dumb as they are; but they have jumped the dreaded generation gap into the minds of the new generation which will unfortunately take his shit into the future [to die of course].

But you Aquino? Why haven I or anyone in my generation ever heard of you? Nobody in my generation knows a single thing about your Temple of Set? None of your memes crossed over into our current weltanschauung? You know why?

Now you can say: well who gives a shit about you dumb kids anyways? I got really successful 30 somethings buying into my shit. And that's as far as your shit has traveled.

Because your Temple of Set fell of the Generation Gap head first into the pile of rocks below and is dead; or will be dying with you, and those older "x-generationers" or whatever you old folks are called.

That question you asked of me, or what you implied is something which you yourself should truly take into consideration: Why do I [and those of my generation] pick David Myatt over Michael Aquino? Why has Myatt's memeplexes jump the generation gap to insure its survival into the future?

Incoherent or well written: only has relevance to forums and the internet: Your domain. In the world beyond the internet when memes travel between one person to the next in the form of unwritten words most often, the actions such words and ideas manifests and what causal results such actions materialize is worth more than an encyclopedia of erudite documents of theories and philosophical internet discussions.

What have your great volumes and tomes of intellectual delicacies materialized? A website? A group of stooges worshiping an Egyptian deity. People dumb enough to pay you money for "higher degrees" and greater wisdom that only the Great Aquino himself can impart?

Remember, Myatt isn't the one who is trying to sell himself to me. You are. You submitted your resume. Myatt and/or people like LaVey don't need to run around giving people their resumes and headshots to get gigs. People like you, Blackwood, and Velus Pravus do.
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#30291 - 10/05/09 11:07 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Yeah, your right Maw. I get carried away at times. I can't help it: old senile men are just so cute and wrinkly! Look at what you did Aquino, you pooed all over this thread. Go put your depends on.

The thing is, this behaviour from Aquino, believe it or not, is not new. Aquino's man-pussy's been hurt over Myatt and the ONA for the past 30 years or so. In fact, Aquino has "critiqued" Myatt [or I should say: "Stephen Brown"] and the ONA so much that there literally about 3 volumes of Aquino's banterings being distributed and sometimes sold: http://www.heart7.net/set.html

Can't teach an old dog new trick ey Aquino? Actually, if it weren't for these volumes of years of Aquino getting asshurt over the ONA, which the ONA saves, I wouldn't even know he existed.

Aquino is mild now in here; but you should have seen the Aquino in those letters: the lunacy and audacity of some guy who actually believed his imaginary friend actually gave him some infernal mandate which made him better and more authentic than the other two old boyz on the block: LaVey & Myatt.

Now he's paying the LaVeyans a little nostalgic visit for old time's sake, awe how cute. And it's nice that they like him and have put all those years of asshurt hatery under the rug. But if he were to pay the ONA and Myatt a nostalgic visit in Shropshire England, Aquino would prolly get wacked by Myatt's garden hoe or bitch slapped.



Edited by Caladrius (10/05/09 11:09 AM)
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#30295 - 10/05/09 11:43 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Caladrius]
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Caladrius,
I in fact see no negative aspect in Michael his 3 volumes with critics against the ONA. Even so, he actually can be considered to have a little ONA stance when put in the right perspective...
Wasn't there a certain saying from Anton Long which implied that Satanism is a tool, or even more interpretated broadly that any religion, aspect, philosophy, belief... can be used as a tool?

In this view the ToS which is his "child" can be seen as a certain tool to self-betterment.
Can you claim a title of standing on the "alien elite top" within Satanism for the past 30 years?
His critics are just the necessary tool for the Satanic practitioner to make up his mind, it invites the reader to become critical and aware of certain details. The same can be done with a critical work against "Laveyan Satanism" or against ToS. It is the art of reading over the personal attacking bits and getting to the fundamental critics which can be used against the particular subject. (I will let out a whole lap of text concerning the value of critics if mirrored towards own personal experience and value).

It is also in my view quite childish and not to say quite idiot to attack a person personally because of a difference in views and because of some critics/discussions in the past and present. Every person has something to offer, and I bet that if the three of them meet that they'll have a bloody good time. Difference in vision doesn't imply being each others enemy, and if it is being advocated then you know you are dealing with fucked up people.

Let the adult mind do the work properly, avoid bitch fighting and come up with counter arguments without added "spicy" words and insults. Perhaps spending less time on "mysatan" might be an improvement....

Keep in mind that there is lots of information, and that if you want to understand Satanism properly that you have to explore all the bounderies and views it contains or are linked to.
I wouldn't mind joining CoS (if it was for free or at a lesser membership fee) if I got acces granted to Satanic knowledge and/or experiences, the same goes for joining ToS or... .
It simply is all about the experience and knowledge you gather. And with these 2 things you better thyself and can become someone.. or at least have the tools to get a pretty good life.


Edited by Dimitri (10/05/09 11:52 AM)
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#30298 - 10/05/09 05:16 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Caladrius]
Woland Moderator Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Caladrius

Now he's paying the LaVeyans a little nostalgic visit for old time's sake, awe how cute. And it's nice that they like him and have put all those years of asshurt hatery under the rug. But if he were to pay the ONA and Myatt a nostalgic visit in Shropshire England, Aquino would prolly get wacked by Myatt's garden hoe or bitch slapped.


Dear Caladrius.

You would do well to note that we demand the most basic social skills of our members.
Personal attacks and/or flaming will not be tolerated.
I will at this point not issue a formal warning to you, in the certain hope that you will take my criticism to heart.
Your participation in the forum is valued, but a repetition of such pubertesque behaviour as quoted will most certainly have consequences.

P.S.
I am not LaVeyan...
Or Setian...
Etc...
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#30306 - 10/05/09 10:27 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Woland]
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 Originally Posted By: "myatt"

The change, the evolution, that we seek to bring about is a natural one; an evolutionary return to what is numinous; a restoration of the balance that has been lost, and this is, in essence, a return to a tribal way of life, a return to and a development of empathy, and a return to the law of personal honour in place of the abstract law of The White Hordes and of the Magian.


If this be his ultimate goal, he's gonna have to figure out how to rid the earth of about 5.5 billion humans; that is the only way we could be 'tribal' as a species. It's a matter of people per square inch, so to speak.

Besides, all in all it sounds like idealistic crap, which I suppose makes sense because if history can teach us anything, it is that idealistic crap sells. To me though, it sounds very unappealing. I enjoy the comforts of civilization.

But ultimately I really just wonder what the point is. How does all this 'subversive' diabolical' 'live in the woods' shit benefit me? Or anyone? Seems a lot of mental masturbation.

For a philosophy that claims to be baseline and raw it sure seems out of touch with reality. And please,to any and all, save the 'but you just don't understand it' line for someone who cares.Wisdom that can 'only be understood by the initiate' is always suspect. I've read volumes of ona material, and gotten plenty of platitude induced headaches along the way.

Anyway, that's my stance on the 'ona'.
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#30309 - 10/05/09 11:40 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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"The change, the evolution, that we seek to bring about is a natural one; an evolutionary return to what is numinous; a restoration of the balance that has been lost, and this is, in essence, a return to a tribal way of life, a return to and a development of empathy, and a return to the law of personal honour in place of the abstract law of The White Hordes and of the Magian."

I'm fond of the ONA, but is it the end all answer to everything, hell no. Even the ONA needs to be questioned and broken down into basics. The above quoted material is an example of people being stupid and not understanding that if they believe and follow the above line of bullshit, they are idiot tools.

Myatt is smart and as such he understands history, how tribal and societies work, and how to appeal to mass amounts of idiots who refuse to do any research and just desire to be led around towing a party line without thinking about what the words really say.

So lets break it down...

"The change, the evolution, that we seek to bring about is a natural one; an evolutionary return to what is numinous; a restoration of the balance that has been lost,"

So, its not an evolution he wants, it is actually a de-evolution. He wants a return to a place and time that can never be again. Humans unless nuked, will never willingly go backward in their development. They like their computers, i-pods, and couches and mtv way too much to give it up. They don't believe in a balance, they are only out for themselves and be damnned anyone who gets in the way of their right to the last twinkie.


"this is, in essence, a return to a tribal way of life, a return to and a development of empathy, and a return to the law of personal honour in place of the abstract law of The White Hordes and of the Magian."

A return to the tribal way of life is just a pretty way of saying hey, join my new gang. It's not your family, it's a new group of friends whereby you will feel safe being just another name and number wearing a blue track suit and addaias sneakers.

Empathy, nope. Why should a Satanist have empathy for everyone? Why would one waste the energy when it has no benefits to oneself. Empathy is a tool used to manipulate people into doing things they really don't want to do.

"a return to the law of personal honour in place of the abstract law of The White Hordes and of the Magian."

This is where if you have an idea about history, you go huh???

A return to personal honour/honor. If you are a Satanist and you have no idea about personal honor or how to live your life daily with it, you need a beatdown. A lack of personal honor is a problem the masses of sheep deal with because it has been taught out of their system. They take no responsibility for their actions, and how no idea about how their actions or lack of them affect themselves and their supposed loved ones.

"the abstract law of The White Hordes and of the Magian"

The white horde was/is a name given to certain Mongol hordes. They were about as tribal as you could get, and personal honor was very important to them. Their laws were not abstract, but codified. Hell, if I remember correctly Ghengish Khan could read and write three languages. Mongolian, Chinese, and Turkish.

Now if he is using the terms white hordes and of the Magian to apply to western culture, he's screwed. Those with the power make the laws. Unless he becomes more successful with his indoctronation of idiots to become suicide bombers, its not gonna happen.

I like the ONA, but like everything, you should tear it apart and take the parts that make sense and can stand on its own. Otherwise you are just another sheep, a black one, but still a sheep.

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#30310 - 10/06/09 12:16 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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 Originally Posted By: MawhrinSkel
... The link [Caladrius] provides leads to slanderous propaganda, the links between its authors and Tos appearing as unfounded allegations. One example of Aquino's iniquity has even been overturned in court.

The reason I'm mentioning this is that Michael probably won't bother replying to it.

Today I took a look back in the 1993 deadfiles at the tedious attacks at the time against the Temple of Set and myself by Christopher Bray in England and Kerry Bolton in New Zealand. I could .pdf my responses/rebuttals here easily enough, but, as quoth Clark Gable, "Frankly, my dear, I just don't give a damn." [And I rather doubt anyone else today does either.]

I will mention only in passing that Lillian Rosoff was never a Setian, never had any contact with me, and withdrew all of her fake claims the moment I contested them in court. As was reported in the San Francisco Chronicle 9/29/94 if, again, anyone cares.

As for Myatt and his "ONA", all I remember about him/it was getting a flurry of unsolicited, badly-written letters in the late '80s from a variety of pseudonyms: "Stephen Brown", "Anton Long", et al. along with supposedly-commercially-published "Satanic rituals", including one for literal human sacrifice. As Britain was in the midst of its own "Satanic panic" in the 80s/90s, this sort of publication was hardly helpful, whether or not it was meant seriously.

And with that I will simply depart this thread and leave the "ONA", whoever or whatever it is today, to those who do care about it.
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#30366 - 10/08/09 04:08 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Dear all.

The discussion was heading in a direction not so compatible with the topic of this thread.
I have therefore separated these posts out and into another thread:

Language and communication
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#30416 - 10/10/09 10:19 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

As for Myatt and his "ONA", all I remember about him/it was getting a flurry of unsolicited, badly-written letters in the late '80s from a variety of pseudonyms: "Stephen Brown", "Anton Long", et al. along with supposedly-commercially-published "Satanic rituals", including one for literal human sacrifice. As Britain was in the midst of its own "Satanic panic" in the 80s/90s, this sort of publication was hardly helpful, whether or not it was meant seriously.


From the point of view of the old idols of Satanism, I can somewhat understand the reaction against ONA. When people compare what is promoted by ONA with that of the previous major (modern) branches in Satanism, the old guard might appear like a bunch of housewives sipping tea, if I may be so bold to use this kind of metaphor. ONA are indeed the bad boys of Satanism as so correctly described by someone. And of course when there is a satanic panic (who panics?) or you want to have a somewhat shiny badge to display to the outside, bad boys are the last thing one needs. For the same reasons, many people pull out their pen and start writing a defending piece whenever someone does something evil in the name of Satan (in public). Save us from the day that evil should be linked to Satan.

But even when being bad boys, ONA is unmistakably satanic, even if only using Satanism as one of its forms. Heterodox and iconoclastic, not shunning the former concepts or old idols of Satanism in that. Maybe it is the heterodoxy that keeps people blind from seeing the value in its writings. Still, on the memetic battleground, where previous Satanism is slowly losing its potency to grab people's attention; ONA is gaining ground. Maybe also because they opened a door that Satanism in the past preferred to keep closed; politics. If the concepts of herd, Overman and "might is right" are truly upheld, Satanism could only move into a direction that would abhor society and compromise its call for acceptance. But times are a-changing and many people see more value in full self-exploration, actively manipulating or controlling their environment and a real "free ticket" for the predator inside, regardless what label they temporarily stick to it, instead of the somewhat restricted approach of the past. Ultimately it is all about control and at the level of Satanism, the old approaches somewhat limited themselves and due to that, are at the mercy of others.

And this is where the bad boys (and girls) enter.

D.

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