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#30760 - 10/25/09 03:01 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Yes, talk is cheap Dan, and you have done a lot of that here haven't you Dan? With all of your arguing, and debatings, which has really lead you nowhere. As far as the "black ghetto culture" this idea is not too far from an avenue ONA is taking. What do you actually suppose ONA is implying when it speaks of "sinister tribes" or "tribes?"

[Quote Whose Gonna Run This Town Tonight]

Whose gonna run this town, tonight? The short answer: we are, however long it takes to undermine by whatever means the societies of the mundanes and replace their rule of law, and their Police forces, with our law of personal honour and our tribal enforcers.

That is the essence of our sinister strategy: to build a new, tribal-based, way of life in the cities, the towns, everywhere; to break down, to replace, what exists now; and to exult in this breaking down, this replacement; to enjoy the thrill of the chaos, the disorder, that we can and should and will cause. For by doing such sinister things we live life on a higher level than the mundanes; we evolve ourselves; we extend and surpass our limits and we most certainly surpass and discard and ignore the limits set by the mundanes and enshrined in their tyrannical laws.

Let us be quite clear (again); let us be understood (again): we are sinister, in real life. We are amoral. We are feral. We are not playing some sinister game or indulging in some esoteric rôle-play. We are, or aspire to be, outlaws, in real life. We can and will and should use any and every means – however such means are described by the “ethics” and the laws of the mundanes – in order to achieve our personal, sinister, aims, and our sinister Aeonic goals. Nothing of the world of the mundanes is forbidden to us; nothing of the world of the mundanes should restrict us.

In brief, we are new sinister species. A new type of human being. The type who scares the mundanes; the type of being that they fear and dread and who may give their children nightmares, or invoke within those youngsters the sinister desire to be of us, to be like us, to aspire to be like us. For it’s us, and them: us and the mundanes. Their world, or our new, sinister, world.

We desire, we need, real, practical, power: on the streets; in the towns, in the cities, in the villages, the areas, where we reside. We desire to rule, to control, our neighbourhoods, our locality; to establish there our new sinister tribal culture, and we will use whatever means we can and whatever means we desire and which are necessary to establish our feral tribes. We desire in such places to make a name for ourselves; to earn respect and be respected.

We have declared war on the mundanes, for they and all that they have are our resource; and all that supports them and their system – from their laws, their so-called Courts of Law, their Police forces, to their local and national governments – we loathe and detest and regard as our enemy. We are armed and dangerous; and if we are not already so armed and so dangerous, then that is what we aspire to be, and what we should and must be, for we regard it as our natural right as members of a sinister feral species to be so armed, and we would rather die, fighting and laughing and exulting, than submit or surrender to any mundane or to their so-called forces of “law and order”.

The politics of the mundanes – their whole system of governance, their ideologies, their religions, their Institutions – are irrelevant to us. Such things belong in the past; to the mundanes. Our way is the way of personal knowing; of earning, of keeping, personal respect; of personal loyalty to the members of our own local tribe.

Each of our sinister tribes is a law, a realm, unto itself. They set their own limits. They make their own rules; devise their own codes of behaviour. They have their own, individual, tribal aims. They all have their own means, their own ways, of making their mark; of acquiring what they need; of gaining respect and wealth. But they all – each and every one of them – are of us, part of us, by virtue of the fact we are family: a new, growing, thriving, spreading, species; an extended sinister family bound by loyalty to our own kind; bound by sharing the same sinister ethos, the same sinister and feral nature: the same desire to excel; to exult; to grow, to acquire by whatever means whatever we need to survive, to prosper, to live life as it should be lived. We are a family who knows our own kind; who knows who our enemies are, and who are our brothers and sisters.

Thus, we are the darkest, most sinister, sorcery of all; Presencing The Dark by our very lives.

Anton Long
Order of Nine Angles
120 Year of Fayen

[End Quote]


When the ONA speaks of Urban Tribes, it refers to a very practical and pragmatic kind, which only a certain kind of people would be interested in. I really doubt the common "parasite" and dreg of humanity [as you imply] are the type to affiliate with such urban tribes:

[Quote http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090605123237.htm]

'Warrior Gene' Linked To Gang Membership, Weapon Use

ScienceDaily (June 8, 2009) — Boys who carry a particular variation of the gene Monoamine oxidase A (MAOA), sometimes called the "warrior gene," are more likely not only to join gangs but also to be among the most violent members and to use weapons, according to a new study from The Florida State University that is the first to confirm an MAOA link specifically to gangs and guns.

Findings apply only to males. Girls with the same variant of the MAOA gene seem resistant to its potentially violent effects on gang membership and weapon use.

Led by noted biosocial criminologist Kevin M. Beaver at FSU's College of Criminology and Criminal Justice, the study sheds new light on the interplay of genetics and environment that produces some of society's most serious violent offenders.

"While gangs typically have been regarded as a sociological phenomenon, our investigation shows that variants of a specific MAOA gene, known as a 'low-activity 3-repeat allele,' play a significant role," said Beaver, an award-winning researcher who has co-authored more than 50 published papers on the biosocial underpinnings of criminal behavior.

"Previous research has linked low-activity MAOA variants to a wide range of antisocial, even violent, behavior, but our study confirms that these variants can predict gang membership," he said. "Moreover, we found that variants of this gene could distinguish gang members who were markedly more likely to behave violently and use weapons from members who were less likely to do either."

The MAOA gene affects levels of neurotransmitters such as dopamine and serotonin that are related to mood and behavior, and those variants that are related to violence are hereditary. Some previous studies have found the "warrior gene" to be more prevalent in cultures that are typified by warfare and aggression.

"What's interesting about the MAOA gene is its location on the X-chromosome," Beaver said. "As a result, males, who have one X-chromosome and one Y-chromosome, possess only one copy of this gene, while females, who have two X-chromosomes, carry two. Thus, if a male has an allele (variant) for the MAOA gene that is linked to violence, there isn't another copy to counteract it. Females, in contrast, have two copies, so even if they have one risk allele, they have another that could compensate for it. That's why most MAOA research has focused on males, and probably why the MAOA effect has, for the most part, only been detected in males."

The new study examined DNA data and lifestyle information drawn from more than 2,500 respondents to the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Beaver and colleagues from Florida State, Iowa State and Saint Louis universities detailed their findings in a paper in the journal Comprehensive Psychiatry.

[End Quote]

What kind of ancestral nerd genes do you have Dirty Dan?


Edited by Caladrius (10/25/09 03:09 PM)
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#30762 - 10/25/09 03:25 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I almost completely agree with Diavolo on this matter.

When such subjects about crime come up, many people tend to jump on the “rapist, murder, petty thief, child molester, and other type of scenarios which in many of our eyes would constitute being a parasite in one sense or another.

When he used the term “Domesticated Wolf,” that really hit me in the gut, because that sums up the way that I feel about myself.

Sure, I rebel occasionally, fight back when attacked, and at times voice my non-conformist opinions to others, who actually don’t much give a fuck. The only saving grace perhaps, is that I know that much of it is bullshit egoism and posturing.

I am willing to admit that I have a great amount of respect for some so called “criminals.”

However, I would also add, that a criminal action in one part of the world, or even a state, is NOT considered criminal in another.

While some “Great Satanists,” including yours truly, go through life eating crow, and putting up with utter bullshit in order to make a middle class living, and go along with the program paying taxes (which just keeps getting higher while the average living standard keeps getting lower, with the occasional putting forth of some verbal diarrhea type protest, there are the true wolves out there making a killing on things such as the black market and the “Grey markets,” living a truly free life style following their own set of rules.

I’m not talking about petty criminals, or small time drug dealers on the street corner, who have rap sheets a mile long. Nor am I referring to individuals who use individual liberty and the “Might is Right,” ideal to satisfy their perversions to hurt others.

It’s one of those situations, where I believe that one cannot throw a blanket judgement on all of the questionable practices that one might do to benefit ones self. Each case deserves its own consideration, and each of us might have to judge it one case at a time.

To give a few examples, was bootlegging truly wrong? It was illegal at one point and if caught one would face similar penalties that modern smugglers face.

Is Pornography wrong? That was also illegal at one point until people like Larry Flint did it, and had the balls to fight for his convictions.

At some point it was illegal for U.S citizens to own gold bullion, yet many did, and profited from it. Were they truly parasites, or wolves?

Same thing goes for Sodomy (Butt fucking) between two consenting adults.

Blasphemy was illegal as well, yet I think most of us agree that we would still do it, if it was still illegal. If we are bashing Islam, then in some parts of the world we are criminals where the penalty might be death.

Also note, that Diavolo accepts responsibility for his actions, and realizes that eventually down the road there might be a price to pay for those actions.



Edited by Asmedious (10/25/09 03:28 PM)
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#30764 - 10/25/09 03:46 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Asmedious]
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Caladrius : All I could think during that long and amusingly ambitious tirade was "what, all 5 of you?", and I got a good chuckle. Have fun playing at that ;\)

Asmedius: There is a big difference between disagreeing with certain laws, (or even the whole premise of state enforced 'law' , as I do) and breaking laws just for the sake of it. Some laws are good, and make sense..following them allows society to function in a way that benefits me. I don't want to have to watch my back at all times, or always pack heat, or have to fight off robbers day to day..as I'm sure you don't. Laws make society, and people that break the ones that interrupt or make society worse, and by proxy make my experience of it worse, piss me off. As they should you.

Admiring people that break the law out of some misguided sense of rebellion for rebellions sake is really just a waste of perfectly good admiration. Is it really a sense of 'toughness/badassery' people like this project or a sense of shortsightedness and ultimately, stupidity? The real badasses do things for their own, much more personal reasons.
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#30765 - 10/25/09 03:49 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
So to you the whole thing is reactionary against what you see as limitations in contemporary Satanism? To you ONA is some sort of metaphorical green light to shamelessly live a life of crime?


A law-abiding Anarchist?
Somewhat sad...


 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
As a man that was raised on the underbelly of society, and who clawed and scratched my way OUT of that to attain some sense of stability and normalcy, I suppose that appeal will just never exist for me. I already lived through that and just don't see it as a desirable option.


A "Satanist" yearning to Conform?
Even sadder...


 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
And with that, any passing interest I may have had here vanishes and so do I, insofar as this subject matter is concerned.


Good idea!
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#30768 - 10/25/09 03:55 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Woland]
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Stability and normalcy != conformity. Disingenuous as usual I see.

And I already explained my views on the necessity of law in society. You would do well to read some mises (or at least this thread) before you pretend to understand what I'm about politically.
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#30787 - 10/25/09 09:55 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I agree with the hostility towards the pretensions of "legal wholesomeness" prevalent in modern Satanic thought; ie, the repetitive mantra of "Satanists would never break the law, because it's just WRONG". Such an approach would be dogmatic and disregard the individualistic approach to morality that characterizes Satanism. I can understand how the likes of LaVey and Aquino were so apt to ape this idea, considering the heavy weight of SRA allegations against them, but I don't consider it the most honest approach. A person is free to disagree with the law. And he is also free to violate that law, provided he fully understands the consequences- ie, if freedom of speech is outlawed, is it "unsatanic" to speak ones' mind? Satanism itself, after all, used to be illegal. In this I can respect the ONA's position on the issue.

But further into the issue, the ONA seems to enthrone extremism for its own sake, as if Satanism inherently requires criminal activity.

So first of all, I ask you who would be so quick to champion this kind of lawbreaking: In our modern quasi-democratic western society, what kind of illegal activity could possibly be worthwhile or productive? How would breaking the law benefit Satanism in any way, shape or form?

Honestly. How would tax evasion, child pornography, arson, music pirating, theft, drug trade, murder, sex trafficking, or *insert generic crime here* aid the Left Hand Path? Or does it merely cheapen a vital occult tradition, reducing it to nothing more than idealogical pornography for short-lived bouts of political extremism, that will usually amount to nothing but empty boasting except in cases where it prostitutes itself to some other popular movement that people actually care about, ie, white supremecism and Nazism?

Things start to sound more ridiculous when they start insisting that a "true Satanist" is incapable of living within the bounds of modern society, as if they should be so extreme and so entrenched in illegal activity that a "normal" life is simply out of the question. (However, it is with the greatest irony that almost all of the ONA's work was carried out under pseudonyms)

This kind of thinking produces two kinds of "revolutionaries":

Firstly, there are the people who actually put this to practice, and usually end up living in some shack or poorly-outfitted commune cranking out pamphlets and occasionally overseeing illegal activity. David Myatt and the "inner Circle" of the ONA (which only constituted a few people) fit this definition at the height of the Order. The "core" of the organization, of course, dissolves within a few years as the members lose interest, get arrested, chicken out (Beest), or join some other radical movement (Myatt).

Then of course, there's the second layer of adherents, being the bulk- that is, the "armchair extremists", the type who claim to detest modern society while at the same time sucking its teat. They're the only reason why the ONA is still considered "alive", even after the core members have long since abandoned it. They publish the MSS, run the blogs, et cetera, and spend most of their time spewing harebrained quasi-nihilistic drivel from the safety of their computer monitors.

Yes, we'd all like to form some Spartan "tribal society" where might is right and annoying weaklings are promptly culled from the better stock, creating a nation made of pure Ubermenschen. And we can keep on dreaming, because the bulk of humanity is far too stupid and complacent to allow anything of the sort to actually happen. Humankind hasn't changed a bit since we first started building mud huts in Sumer tens of thousands of years ago, and no amount of political revolution can change that.
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#30812 - 10/26/09 05:27 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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The problem with pointing out options is that people tend to get so lost in the details they remain blind to the big picture. What I do in my life ultimately only has to make sense in my life. That's why Vama Marga, even when walked by more people, is a lonely path. So many people want to be part of a happy family they desperately desire some uniformity in the approach.
You meet people that have close to identical approaches to life; pursue similar goals and although this familiarity is heart-warming at times, one has to let go this need for conformity, even in tribal-sized environments. People either have the same soul or they don't. Their approach and how they exorcise this desire is their choice. One admires them for the fact that they do, not because of how they do it. This respect is in the end nothing but self-respect; if you can't have respect for someone having a similar approach to life, you ultimately have no respect for your own.
On occasions you might form a collective with similar souls. That collective is nothing but people grouping together upon a need base. The only difference in being part of a collective is it being a means to an end while many join groups or organizations as a means to being. It becomes an affirmation of their Self for them.

All criticism aside upon the public acts of ONA or their size; there is one thing one can't deny; ONA has developed an impressive memeplex and once such a MP has come into existence, it does what it must do. This MP is truly sinister and so adaptable it can be considered a predator on its own. It jibes so well with many because it awakens the wolf in them, it makes them see their self-constructed cage and the fact they are too often acting like a dog. They bark when they could howl. It offends others because it shows some just are dogs.

In the end, this is what it is all about; are you a dog or are you a wolf? What type of them you become is of little matter. That again is a matter of choice.

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#30813 - 10/26/09 05:58 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Diavolo]
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i totally agree.to many people are getting caught up in the fine points of of peoples lives.trying to almost mimic them so they feel as though they are accepted.finding people like minded and sharing ideas and life trials gives an incite to why some act or do the things they do.regretfully they turn to that to try and figure out them selves.when they should do what is right to them in their lives.i am proud to say i am a wolf.
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#30817 - 10/26/09 07:35 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: frazier]
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The Church of Satan does not CONDONE illegal activities. This has always been the case because of people like Manson, the Night Stalker and legions of dill weeds who seem to think that doing the crime and then blaming it all on Satan is a sure fire way to gain them the notoriety that they're looking for.

LaVey agreed that we live in a society of laws and the individual chooses to abide by or ignore the laws of the society or community, as long as they consider the consequences, should they choose not to abide by those laws and accept the consequences for their actions. Laws that are made for the public good... Don't park on the right side of the street on Wednesday between 5 AM and 10 AM because the street sweeper cleans that side of the street on Wednesday; Don't drive on the opposite side of the street to avoid being killed or killing someone else... easy to abide by or to accept the ticket for.

Laws that one feels are too restrictive for their own personal tastes that fall into the realm of criminality are laws that one must also consider the consequences for, if they are to be a part of that society or community. BUT if they are to reject the laws and break them, they assume that responsibility on their own and not as the result of belonging to (in this case the Church of Satan) an organization. That organization would have every right and indeed "corporate responsibility" to disavow your actions as any sanctioned activity.

This should be no problem for someone who firmly believes that they should violate the laws of their community or society. If they are man (or woman) enough to make that decision, then it would be logical to assume that they are man (or woman) enough to take that responsibility and the retribution that follows upon themselves without dragging others, who have no desire to be party to their actions, into the fray.

So, if someone decides that they want to break a law or two, more power to them, so long as they realize that the consequences are theirs and theirs alone. With greater risk comes greater reward... at least until you get caught.
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#30822 - 10/26/09 09:48 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Jake999]
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*Shooh* What a relief. Good thing somebody brought up the Church of Satan, cuz ain't nobody brought it up in this thread thus far!

Jake and the C/S is right guys. You can be non-conforming to the laws of a religion which no longer has power to imprison you because that's just way cool. But please, please be good Satanists and conform to, I mean obey the laws that are backed up by guns and prison bars; it's fun until somebody gets hurt! Or as Grand Magister Blackwood teaches his minions in his latest voice blog: "You can do whatever you want, as long as it's not breaking the law."

This makes me wonder of Gilmore Girl and the C/S would have had the "balls" [gajones en espanol] taught their people to disobey Christian laws back during, say... the "Dark Ages" when merely thinking different was a CRIME punishable by death? When such religious laws were the laws of the "State."

Of course you can say: Well this isn't the dark ages, it's the 21 century! Fine, that's true. Would you, as a Satanist living in an Islamic country strictly under the Shariah, have the gajones to be cool and break one of their religious laws or is nonconformity to religious laws only applicable in places where it is safe to pretend to be "sectarian rebels?"


Edited by Caladrius (10/26/09 09:57 PM)
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#30830 - 10/27/09 12:35 AM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Greg]
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 Originally Posted By: Greg
I think that it's difficult to take seriously Myatt for several reasons. At first it's an extreme right-wing opportunist who invented nothing. His political ideas are resumed to Spengler and Toynbee,


Just what have you been reading, I wonder?

He manufactured a new take on NS which in no way depends on either Spengler or Toynbee, or even on people such as Alfred Rosenberg, but instead evolved NS into a non-racist, commutarian type, system. This is "Reichsfolk" - and what he termed "ethical National Socialism".

 Originally Posted By: Greg
his esotericism plagiarizes the order of the Black Lily, Kenneth Grant, Savitri Devi


Please do some better research. I assume you mean "Dark Lily" in Britain? If not who the hell is or was this Black Lily group or person that most of us have never heard of, so influential are they... Not.

The ONA predates Dark Lily which was just two people, including Magda G, both of whom were actually influenced by the ONA, and both fo whom were in personal contact with "Anton Long".

Also, just what esotericism did the later, now publicly known, work of Magda G actually amount to? Not much. A lot of waffle actually. Contrast that with the complex mythos and concepts of the ONA and anyone of any sagacity will see the difference.

As for Kenneth Grant, just where is the connection?

Where do you find any of the key ONA elements in his or similar work?

Concepts such as Satanism as an individual, amoral, way; or Adeptship involving practical ordeals in the real word. Or concepts such as a nexion between causal and acausal space-time; or ......



 Originally Posted By: Greg
without counting that it deforms totally the synchronicity of Jung.


Have you read Jung? Have you studied the acausal as used by the ONA and Myatt? If so, you have found no connection.

Where does Jung mention acausal energy, for instance? Or the bifurcation of the Cosmos into 4 dimensional Space-Time and an n-dimensional acausal Space-Time? Where does Jung mention acausal energy as that which animates causal life and makes it alive? And so on.


 Originally Posted By: Greg
Secondly, the origin of the ONA is completely fictitious, Camlad, Noctulians is myths


That is your opinion, based on what you desire to believe.

I suppose you are unaware of things such as the interview "Anton Long" gave, in 1973, to a local BBC film crew in Manchester who filmed a satanic rite of one of these groups for a documentary, and which also filmed a rite by another group in that area, the Orthodox Temple of the Prince?

There is other such early evidence.

Also, consider that academic researchers - such as Goodrick-Clarke - who actually did some real background research, accepts this early history of the ONA. As did Professor Kaplan, who possesses a microfilm of old archival ONA and pre-ONA material.

 Originally Posted By: Greg
and the ONA does not exist since 1976 as Myatt claims it.


If you want to believe the ONA doesn't know exist and that its old members have "abandoned" it, fine.

Mr Long still writes ONA material. Myatt is still around stirring things up by various sinister means, and influencing people. The ONA Old Guard - with one exception - are still around, as you might have known if you had bothered to try find them.

That the ONA OG can't be bothered to discuss stuff with mundanes on forums such as this doesn't mean they're not around, hidden and getting on with their work in secret, as LHP adepts have done for centuries.

In fact, the ONA now has more "members" and more "associates" now than ever. More influence. Just look at WSA352. Just look at how it has affected you, and people like you \:\)



Edited by Raffy (10/27/09 12:39 AM)
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#30848 - 10/27/09 02:19 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Raffy]
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In a nutshell, who really cares.
Either you take something from the writings or you don't.

The group is not going to change the world no matter how many rabid fans it has.

Now with that said, some elements are useful. It is up to the individual as to what road they take.

As for taboos, criminal activity, and breaking sharif, that is still an individual choice. If someone tells you do to something just to do it, you are a sheep. If you follow along because it's what an organization tells you to do, you are a sheep.

You are no longer a sheep when you can do and act for yourself without quoting anyone scriptures and take responsibility for those actions.

How actually have you applied the ONA writings to your own life? Or is it just a matter of internet trolling and spewing of facts and numbers?

I can honestly say, that from what I have seen, I do not want any of these idiots as part of my "tribe". I am more particular with those I call my own or would fight for/with.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Jail is no joke. I don't feel the need to end up in a place where you have to choose between gangs and have to fight the biggest idiot everyday. Oh, and if your ass is cute, you are going to get extra shit from the guards and other inmates. I don't feel the need to shank someone everyday, and I choose not to have to.

I find it interesting how people crawled up Dan's ass about his life. He lived in the "Dark element" and got out of it. I see nothing wrong with bettering your life through the choices one makes. I am sure that if shit hits the fan, Dan would do whatever is necessary to bring things back around to his version of status quo.

Besides, how many of you are just taking a game of shit and never got your hands dirty. Just because you claim an association doesn't make you a member.

Oh, as for the 352 bit, I think she was banned from here. Came here for a school project at her christian school, and decided to start lying and trying to pull a con. Hell, if the ONA fell for her stupid games, it shows who has a clue. Whatever...

Next....


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#30861 - 10/27/09 06:08 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan


In a nutshell, who really cares.

[...]

Oh, as for the 352 bit, I think she was banned from here. Came here for a school project at her christian school, and decided to start lying and trying to pull a con. Hell, if the ONA fell for her stupid games, it shows who has a clue. Whatever...

Next....


Morgan



Well, apparently it seems like a handful of people "care" seeing how this ONA thread is 10 pages long.

What we are essentially dealing with - in context to Greg & Raffy - is the perpetuation of Misconceptions and Misunderstandings, and someone [Raffy] who cared enough, on behalf of ONA to dispel those misconceptions and misunderstandings about Myatt; Long, and ONA.

Any person and organization would rightly feel the need to dispel misconception about them or it. The Church of Satan spends a lot of time making sure people know facts about it from speculative misconceptions; and ONA is no different at times in this respect.

You as an individual person have every right to not care and believe such speculative misconceptions, but sometime other people actually appreciate facts... "getting the story straight" if you will.

As for this individual you brought up, she was not banned. Her old profile here still says: "active member." She left on her own accord after being disinterested. There are also speculative misconception in here about her, which differs greatly from objective facts.

Unfortunately, she is college educated. I know many people in here frown at the idea of a girl going to school and learning obscene things like reading and writing or the notion of getting a higher education when they can come to some forum to learn about life and Satanism.

California is weird, unlike hillbilly country. Believe it or not, long ago California was a part of Mexico, and before that it was a territory called New Spain [Spanish Empire].

Well, back in those days they built these beautiful Missions, which were homebases of operation where Catholic priests and Jesuits lived in as they went on missions to convert the native heathen tribes. Most of those missions were consecrated and dedicated to certain Saints.

Anyways, fast forward several hundred years later. California becomes a State in the Union! The little townships that had cropped up around those old Missions, grew into big cities, and most of those cities took the name of the Missions they grew around.

Thus there are cities in California named things like: San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, and such. Now, you're average hillbilly will see those names and say: Gee, those must be Catholic Cities, since they are named after catholic Saints. This is faulty reasoning. They are secular incorporations of a secular State.

Now, in Southern California there exists a county which is one of the largest counties in territorial size in the country, if not the biggest. It's called San Bernardino County.

Like most non-hillbilly States, California has a system of State owned SECULAR [meaning not religious] Universities. There just so happened to be one such State owned university in San Berdardino CITY. This is the school the person you brought up actually went to. It's called CAL STATE UNIVERSITY OF SAN BERNADINO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_University,_San_Bernardino

Now, I know the average hillbilly will see that name and notice the "San Bernadino" in it and say to themselves: Gee, it's named after a Saint, ergo, it must be a Christian/Catholic school of sorts \:\) But it only takes a little wikipedia to DISPEL such misconceptions and figure out what this school really is.

Something that only a college aware person would know is that unless you're going for your PHD, a school project usually doesn't last 2 years, or even a year. Being that the person you brought up was educated, and admitted to being a manipulative person, it would seem as though she could have lied when she said it was a "school project" to misdirect people's attention from what she may have been doing in here.

This was a good example of mythos or stories or the memes that compose such mythos having the tenacious ability to perpetuate itself and survive in the right minds that offer the right mental conditions - the kind that doesn't care about facts.

A lot of people do enjoy having half truths and nonfactual conceptions floating around in their heads, but there are some people out there, that prefer to have facts.

Such as the case with ONA. As an organization, ONA does have the prerogative to desire and attempt to offer misinformed people such as Greg actual facts about ONA.
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#30865 - 10/27/09 06:35 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Caladrius]
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 Originally Posted By: Caladrius

Unfortunately, she is college educated. I know many people in here frown at the idea of a girl going to school and learning obscene things like reading and writing or the notion of getting a higher education when they can come to some forum to learn about life and satanism.


Dear Caladrius.

You utterly lost me in this posting.
Sad really...

Oh?!!
Could it be misdirection?
Or am I just bored?
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#30867 - 10/27/09 06:55 PM Re: Yet Another ONA Thread! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread

Stability and normalcy != conformity. Disingenuous as usual I see.


The order of Merriam Webster has been invited to your rescue.
You also might want to question that...

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
And I already explained my views on the necessity of law in society. You would do well to read some mises (or at least this thread) before you pretend to understand what I'm about politically.


Oh I have...
And; you think you have.

Your political "convictions" are GREAT fun to consider.
Especially what seeps through the cracks.
Thanks to the ever glorious hell that provided us a sense of humour...
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