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#27622 - 07/28/09 03:22 PM Do you use a wand?
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Lately, i have been reading up on the usage of wands in ceromonies/invocations, and all other sorts of arts usage. I understand that the wand is a physical comfort item,. But some feel a soon presence, or more of a respect torwards the wand itself. Do any of you use wands? and if so, tell me about yours , and what its used for, or about them all if you do all sorts
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#27639 - 07/28/09 04:59 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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The odd time I would do a ritual I'd use a huge quartz point.
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#27654 - 07/28/09 09:14 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Domonic]
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im using willow tree and a big real ruby.
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#27655 - 07/28/09 09:25 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Domonic]
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no....

I wouldn't mind using a sword, but nice ones are expensive.
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#27657 - 07/28/09 09:57 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Domonic]
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I found it best when you use a wand sometimes it works better if you make the wand yourself whether it is made from wood, plastic, glass, or even metal. But is all about what you are comfortable with and as long as you understand it's purpose.
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#27661 - 07/28/09 11:00 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Domonic]
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Yeah, a sword would be nice, but money is an issue. A peace pipe!
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#27666 - 07/29/09 12:15 AM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Domonic]
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No wand; that feels too "new agey" for me, even though they've been used in ceremonial magic for ages. Reminds me of Wiccans and Harry Potter too much....

I find an athame does the job fine, and I have a simple black dagger for that purpose. Although, I also keep a chunky and scary-looking double-pronged shortsword with a sculpted silver Baphomet-head handle, which does a nice job of giving jitters to the more sensitive-hearted folk that happen to stumble into my room.

You can get some nice looking swords for fairly cheap, even the big ones.
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#27674 - 07/29/09 12:58 AM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Domonic]
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One time at band camp....

Seriously, there was a time our local Satanist group conducted a group ritual. One of the female members had brought a rubber cross like dildo to use as the wand. I remember glancing over and seeing that floppy dildo flapping back and forth as she tried to hold it out. It was just too funny, and I had to snicker. Once I started snickering, the rest of the group had to let loose as well. It was an odd ritual. We never saw that wand/dildo again. Hmmm?

When I participated in my Satanic Baptism, I requested we use my "pimp stick". It is a smallish cane with a chrome skull mounted on the top. It just seemed right for me.
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#27702 - 07/29/09 11:05 AM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: fakepropht]
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haha, and that's another reason why I could never really swallow (NPI) use of a phallus in place of a wand.

Yes, you can say that the wand is still a phallic symbol anyway, and that penis-like rods have been used in ancient religious ceremonies before... but in the end you're still standing in the middle of a darkened room waving a rubber cock around.
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#27714 - 07/29/09 06:58 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: The Zebu]
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All this talk of props used during ritual has made me realize something. Something so deep and done so long ago that I had totally forgot I had integrated it into my being.

I may now understand why myself and perhaps others like me have no need to preform ritual.

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#27715 - 07/29/09 07:17 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: The Zebu]
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What better way to purge myself of negative emotions or feelings than to bust a nut? By doing it "right" I further influence things to go my way. That is probably as close to doing any ritual that I will ever get.
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#27716 - 07/29/09 07:31 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Busting a nut is used in sex magic type rites.
Or in a combo of things one can use to focus the self during a psychodrama.

It's actually kinda old school, even Crowley mentions it.

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#27717 - 07/29/09 09:35 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Domonic]
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I think the concept and purpose of a wand is a very misunderstood matter. To begin with, there is a big difference between a rod/staff and a wand – I will refrain from discussing swords and athames here, because the difference between these and a wand should be obvious. Staffs have been in use for thousands of years, even prior to Pharaonic Egypt, whereas wands have only been in use for roughly 900 years (at an educated guess). While the staff was, and is, used in a powerful forceful manner (much like a sword or athame) the wand is used more to manipulate in an almost persuasive mode. This concept is strengthened when you consider the Tarot application.

The purpose and use of wands in ceremonial Magick should now be a little clearer. The use of the wand really developed when Renaissance Magickians started exploring the work of Barrett and Agrippa. Golden dawn practitioners in particular developed a very profound understanding of the wand, especially concerning its links with the tarot, and therefore fire and the phoenix.

From my perspective, I appreciate the idea and use of a wand in two primary ways; one, as a psychological focus; and two, as something that resonates on some level. I am not going discuss the idea of resonance here, unless necessary, but for want of a better word, the 'harmony' of certain rituals would not exist if all the elements were not taken into account. Damn, I used the word element too. Perhaps synchronization and components would better suit.

Personally, besides making your own personal wand, I find the Lotus and Fire/Phoenix wands of the Golden Dawn very agreeable. I have, and would again, fashion my own wand based on the Golden Dawn design principles, making sure to keep the length to 24 inches. I will admit though, that if I were to be of a more neo-pagan persuasion, both these wands may be a little out of place.

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#27741 - 07/30/09 02:25 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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I think I would argue that there is a bit of confusion as to what is a "staff" and a "wand".

A "wand" was originally used to refer to a long stick, and was also a unit of measurement of a meter in length. Also, earlier tarot cards depict "wands" as being rather long- certainly not smaller "persuasive" types one thinks of today.

Although, granted, there is a large difference between the small carved hand-held items used by Egyptian magicians to invoke the presence of gods, and the intimidating "blasting rods" used by Christian necromancers to punish unruly demons.

I suppose, then, that the purpose of a wand would mostly be correlated to its length.... which leads back to how magical imagery is related to human psychology.
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#27746 - 07/30/09 04:42 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: The Zebu]
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OK I will address the length issue. ;\) Yes, wands can (traditionally) be up to a meter long (40 inches, which was the defined unit of length), whereas staffs should (traditionally) reach from the floor to the crown of the commanding Magickian's head. I know GD practitioners that prefer the 40 inch wand because it feels more balanced (it is an inch thick after all, and has a carved lotus or phoenix at the head) but I am still of the opinion 24 inches (about 61cm) is the best for ritual purposes.

You have obviously researched a tad so you would have noted that the original unit of length is a Northern European development. This highlights the fact that what modern historians refer to as wands (being used by Egyptians) were never labelled as such – they were staffs or other 'pointing tools'. I consider the wand to be a European addition to ceremonial Magick that originated in the Middle East; and I blame Agrippa.

And yes, as I stated before – I think the wand is both a psychological tool/representation and a cosmic ingredient (for want of a better term).

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#29094 - 08/31/09 10:56 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: The Zebu]
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I use a selenite wand every now and then. I've had great banishing and clearing of the mind success with it. I think channeling your energy through a wand says something.


 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
No wand; that feels too "new agey" for me, even though they've been used in ceremonial magic for ages. Reminds me of Wiccans and Harry Potter too much....


Wands date back to Ancient Egypt where they were used by magicians. They would carve them in the form of a cobra. This was done in honor of the goddess Wadjet.

You may recall the biblical passage where it comments that the sorcerer's wands turned into serpents. There's some truth in this. Archeologists believe the biblical passage was referring to th fact the Egyptians had wands shaped like serpents.
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#30109 - 09/27/09 01:42 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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I'm planning on picking up a pretty badass looking sword next Friday. Its folded so when it shines I has a rainbow effect on the blade.

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#30114 - 09/27/09 04:55 PM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: FlameReborn]
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My apologies to everyone for the one liner ;\) I have witnessed this effect before and it was fairly awe-inspiring. I have seen a 20 fold Katana shimmering as though it was made of some alien metal never before seen on earth. Way out of my price range though \:\(
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#30414 - 10/10/09 09:52 AM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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I prefer a sharp metal object most of the time. To me wands just don't seems as powerful and therefore lack the appeal that's necessary to successfully complete my ritual. A brutal staff, however, could be different.
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#32102 - 11/22/09 10:08 AM Re: Do you use a wand? [Re: Miss May]
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From what I understand, sorcery is all about focusing attention, archetypes, and strong emotions.

Wands are simply an effective means of focusing attention with a laser like precision, and are still used for just that in classrooms all over the world to this day. Laser pointers are the latest evolution of the magic wand.

The difference between wands, blades, and staffs are the archetypes they naturally invoke. I consider wands to be neutral, or at least I have no personal meanings ascribed to them that I'm aware of. They are usually small, thin, and unobtrusive so that the wand is not the object of focus, but rather what it's pointing at. Blades and staffs on the other hand, are meant to be the object of focus.

Blades invoke the archetypes of separation (cutting), and can also be used for darker more nefarious purposes. The reason Italians require a token form of payment when gifting someone with a knife is to absolve themselves of the associated baggage and archetypes that blade carries. Otherwise, giving that gift knife would be the equivalent of cursing someone, which is the exact opposite intention of the gift.

To me, Staffs seem more solemn and ceremonial. Again I don't have a very well defined archetype for staffs, so that would probably render them pretty ineffective in my hands.

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