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#2775 - 12/16/07 08:26 AM Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat...
Equilibrio Offline
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Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat to Kill Grandparents

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Andrew Culver, 18, told police the e-mail detailing his intention to kill his grandparents and steal their money and car was a joke, said Bazetta Township police Chief Charles Sayers.

According to police, Culver wrote he had access to an arsenal of weapons and wanted to "kill in the name of our unholy lord Satan."


I've seen some pretty good whack-jobs over the years on The 600 Club. Usually the Mods have been effective in dealing with them, but has anyone ever had to be given over to the Feds for making threats?

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#2776 - 12/16/07 09:18 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Equilibrio]
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Well, here's a tip... online threats are taken as 'written threats' by law enforcement and as such they are take seriously and given more weight than verbal threats.

Now, I want to know if Culver was a dues paying member of the CoS. After all he had an 'arsenal' of weapons. I am pretty sure he could scrape up the $200 membership fee.

All the same, it is good PR for the CoS.
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#2779 - 12/16/07 09:53 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Equilibrio]
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As I already noted in the thread about starting a grotto, our local "real life" satanist group had a whacko. The guy was going through a divorce and kidnapped his daughters. He took them across country. As soon as the cops found the altar in his basement, it went to level 10. The local news now called him the satanic kidnapper. Footage at 10:00 showed his altar, and the focus shifted from the fact that he took his daughters to the fact that he worshipped the devil and was considered dangerous. Eventually the members of the group were contacted by the authorities. This was a very stressful time for us, since 99% of us don't want to be known as satanists. We feared the cops would show up with camera crews in tow. Ready for the next headline at 10:00. Thankfully, no camera crews came.

Nutjobs are unavoidable in this path we have chosen. I encounter them all the time. Usually they are easy to spot and you only need to distance yourself from them. Just as there are extreme Christians, there are extremely stupid satanists. Spend 5 minutes with them, and you will realize they are in it for all the wrong reasons.
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#2781 - 12/16/07 10:37 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Equilibrio]
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Gilmore seems have taken the proactive approach in this situation. Which is exactly as he and the majority of Satanists have said they would do--uphold the letter of the law. Good for him (and us) that he is a man of his word, and a canny one at that.

The positive PR couldn't hurt either. ;\)
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#2782 - 12/16/07 10:37 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
Just as there are extreme Christians, there are extremely stupid satanists. Spend 5 minutes with them, and you will realize they are in it for all the wrong reasons.


As I have said in the past "fanatics" are the real problem... No matter what banner they fly...

This case on the other hand is nothing but an ignorant kid trying to impress...

~T~
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#3502 - 01/15/08 04:49 PM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: ta2zz]
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People going around saying they kill for Satan are pathetic. They completely miss the whole point of Satanism and instead make their own version of it. All it is is a cry for attention. Really they are nothing more than confused, deranged psychopaths.
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#3560 - 01/17/08 04:06 PM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: fakepropht]
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It would be nice if the media started paying more attention to crimes committed “in the name of God” rather than “in the name of Satan,” but unfortunately the general public is too eagerly willing to dismiss them as an anomaly and immediately go into “praying for forgiveness” mode. So-called “Satanic crimes” play out in the media as something more glamorous and dangerous… People would rather read about serial killers who end up obtaining pseudo-celebrity status and receiving daily fan mail rather than listening to the details of how a priest spent years molesting children in the name of his corrupt and socially acceptable religion. The sad thing is that the latter is more likely to be happening in your own back yard.
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#3578 - 01/17/08 10:56 PM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Succubus666]
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Tala, that gives me an idea....you know how amateurs have starting producing/hosting their own tv shows, then uploading them on YouTube or Google Video? "In The Name of God" might make for an interesting documentary-style show that would be free to host, and might reach out to people casually browsing the net, stumbling across a series of real-life atrocities and hypocrisy done in the name of God. It could be about all religions, not just Christianity. Interviews, footage of anti-homosexual and abortion clinic protests, church fraud, sexual molestation as an direct result of stifling man's primitive nature, etc. It might be interesting, and could make people think, especially if presented alongside statistics and testimonies of atheists and Satanists living a moral life without God.
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#3583 - 01/18/08 05:01 PM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Nemesis]
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Interesting that you should mention that as I’ve had similar ideas for a documentary myself. I would say that film is the one thing in my life that I am passionate about that I’ve never had time to delve deeper into. Between managing a business and my photography and writing, the time to pursue other interests eludes me. But perhaps with such mediums becoming more digitized and available to ordinary people it may just be something I’ll find time for in my future endeavors.

My idea for the documentary ran along the lines of exposing the extremist views of various religions and the individuals who find themselves in the mindset of blindly obeying, which is both a cultural phenomenon and something that could be examined in the realm of abnormal psychology. I believe it was Barbara Walters who interviewed a Muslim extremist in prison who was arrested in a conspiracy for a suicide bombing. He told her with absolute conviction that she would go to hell for the way she lived her life. When she asked if he was saying that because he as an individual wanted her to go to hell, he said it had absolutely nothing to do with his own will, it was the will of Allah and his unquestionable laws.

How odd it is that all it takes is a man or group of men to write a book with their own ideals and claim it was inspired by a higher power. Introduce a few charismatic leaders into an impoverished nation with people looking for answers and meaning in their lives, and there you have a following. Shower praise and attention upon people who were otherwise considered nobodies when the concept of martyrdom is discussed, convince them that they will be rewarded in heaven because there religious scriptures say so and that they will also obtain celebrity status within their own cultures, and there you have the making of a suicide bomber.

One only has to turn the camera around a few degrees to devout Catholics or Christians, who will swear upon their souls that it is the absolute truth that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your savior you will burn in hell - not just for a brief period but all eternity. You may also burn in hell if you eat meat on a Friday, engage in homosexual activities, masturbate, accept any other so-called God, etc. Christians believe that you can pray directly to God, Catholics believe you have to pray through the Virgin Mary or their version of God won’t hear you.

If you were to find your way into a secluded Mormon compound, you would be assured that if a man doesn’t have at least three wives he will not be permitted entrance to heaven. The women will tell you that it is their God-given duty to bear at least one child a year. This also applies to twelve year-old girls that have entered puberty.

You can also look at Mennonites, Neo-Nazis, Jews, Hindus, Santeria, Druids, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Protestants and dozens of others and you will find members of each that swear by some extremist philosophy and are willing to carry it out to the death. Alone they would all make an interesting story, but blend them all together into a single documentary and it would be a rather sad but comic social exploration. I’m sure you could find philosophers, psychologists or sociologists that may have some basis for claiming these beliefs are a necessary part of humanity. But in my opinion and from both a Satanic and logical point of view, I think it only shows what weak and gullible people there are among us (or are we among them?). Religion is a disease as far as I’m concerned. Anything that demands blind faith and sadistic actions to carry it out is more like a lethal virus among humanity than it is a benefit. And people wonder why there’s always a war brewing somewhere around the globe...

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#4934 - 03/07/08 03:53 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Succubus666]
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Good on Peter for doing so. That's one less lunatic kid off the streets. Though I doubt much will ever come of his threat; he'll just get a slap on the wrist (as ususal) and sent to the naughty-corner by his Grandparents.
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#5077 - 03/09/08 06:10 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: DaVinci]
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The CoS have had a few cases of criminal members. I don't think they can afford to ignore this kind of cases if they want to keep the profile as a "law and order" organization. Ygraine from the CoS wrote a letter to another journalist on another case not long ago trying to distance the CoS and Satanism from vandalism: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/256313.html

As far as I remember Ygrains own husband was thrown out of the CoS years ago after he sexual abused her kids.

- Amina

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#5078 - 03/09/08 06:18 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Amina]
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 Originally Posted By: Amina
The CoS have had a few cases of criminal members. I don't think they can afford to ignore this kind of cases if they want to keep the profile as a "law and order" organization. Ygraine from the CoS wrote a letter to another journalist on another case not long ago trying to distance the CoS and Satanism from vandalism: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/256313.html

As far as I remember Ygrains own husband was thrown out of the CoS years ago after he sexual abused her kids.

- Amina


No matter what the Church of Satan attempts to do to rectify and relieve those 'on-edge' social members that they don't condone the acts of illegal activities; they will not succeed. There are many pseudo-intellectuals who will attempt to besmirch Satanism as a religious tool for every part of life -- technically speaking, it's a lost cause.
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#5079 - 03/09/08 06:48 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: DaVinci]
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I know that the CoS' actions have an impact on what sociologists, anthropologists and others write about Satanism, and sometimes sane people actually read academic works when they want to know something about a topic. Most people just go by knee jerk reactions, but that is how it is. In the cases involving the state or the law the academics are impotent like in the case of the British army officer who was a member of CoS, and where allowed to stay in the force without having to hide his belief.

If you look at older cases like the SRA case against Aquino and the investigation of the crib death of CoS Magister Nagys infant child I think it could have ended very different if the CoS and the ToS had not had a eye on PR and law and order issues.

I Denmark we had a lot vandalisms against churches a ten years ago. The media and Christian counter cult groups explained it as acts of Satanism. It turned out that most cases was the work of children between the age of 14 and 10, and that there motivation was boredom not Satanism. Most cases where copy-cat enactments of cases seen in the media. When danish satanist pointed that out in the media, explaining how the discurse about Satanism only inspirited more cases, and that groups like the CoS did not tolerate members who vandalized private property the cases eventual disappeared from the media. We still have a few cases but now they are discussed in the media as teenage vandalism and the word Satanism in not mentioned. On the few occasions that Satanism IS mentioned satanists or sociologist are usually cited and they explain it as ostencive acting by confused teens.

The US is very different, yes, because the country is bigger, but the Satanic Panic came and went away again. The way people view and talk about Satanism change over time - even in the US.

- Amina

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#5080 - 03/09/08 06:59 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Amina]
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 Originally Posted By: Amina
I know that the CoS' actions have an impact on what sociologists, anthropologists and others write about Satanism, and sometimes sane people actually read academic works when they want to know something about a topic. Most people just go by knee jerk reactions, but that is how it is. In the cases involving the state or the law the academics are impotent like in the case of the British army officer who was a member of CoS, and where allowed to stay in the force without having to hide his belief.

If you look at older cases like the SRA case against Aquino and the investigation of the crib death of CoS Magister Nagys infant child I think it could have ended very different if the CoS and the ToS had not had a eye on PR and law and order issues.

I Denmark we had a lot vandalisms against churches a ten years ago. The media and Christian counter cult groups explained it as acts of Satanism. It turned out that most cases was the work of children between the age of 14 and 10, and that there motivation was boredom not Satanism. Most cases where copy-cat enactments of cases seen in the media. When danish satanist pointed that out in the media, explaining how the discurse about Satanism only inspirited more cases, and that groups like the CoS did not tolerate members who vandalized private property the cases eventual disappeared from the media. We still have a few cases but now they are discussed in the media as teenage vandalism and the word Satanism in not mentioned. On the few occasions that Satanism IS mentioned satanists or sociologist are usually cited and they explain it as ostencive acting by confused teens.

The US is very different, yes, because the country is bigger, but the Satanic Panic came and went away again. The way people view and talk about Satanism change over time - even in the US.

- Amina


None of that proves anything. The Satanic Panic and Satanic Ritual Abuse still continues this present day. Investigations are held all the time, and in no way will it simply be 'talked about differently' or not mentioned at all. Satanism is a controversial word and religion -- it won't change overnight or overtime.
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#5082 - 03/09/08 07:35 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: DaVinci]
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 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
The Satanic Panic and Satanic Ritual Abuse still continues this present day. Investigations are held all the time, and in no way will it simply be 'talked about differently' or not mentioned at all. Satanism is a controversial word and religion -- it won't change overnight or overtime.


Yes, you see a few cases in the spirit of the Satanic Panic (i register them, so I do notice, and I am keeping an eye on the Hosanna Church case), but it is not a moral panic any more. If you compare how it was in the Panic and how it is today you can see a lot of differences. Read what the sociologists, anthropologists and folklorists has to say about it! Today Africa is the place to go if you want to hear really insane stories about Satanism, but not even Africa has a moral panic (yet).

And yes, Satanism will always be controversial, but how controversial it is changes over time. Just look at LaVey when the Church of Satan was a baby. LaVey got negative attention in the 60'ties and 70'ties, but I think he liked most of the attention he got as the friend of Hollywood stars. The way that people talk about Satanism changes all the time. It will always be controversial (if that change, we would have to make it so again), but it is not always viewed as a kind of subversive religion with the main purpose to sexually abuse children at sacrifice them to Satan.

- Amina

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#5089 - 03/09/08 09:43 AM Re: Satanists Tip FBI to Teen's Threat... [Re: Amina]
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I can see your point; but remember there are many plethoras of Satanism across the globe -- so it will always be viewed as something else, when infact, it could be quite the opposite.
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