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#48448 - 02/09/11 06:54 AM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: myk5]
Seth_W Offline
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im not a huge fan of black metal...but i must say that satyricon is awesome...best black metal band ever, and a two piece to boot.
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#49129 - 02/18/11 11:11 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Baron dHolbach]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuuhDVo8m68&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzjmCsUXvrQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJmRQN9Xg8&feature=related

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#49320 - 02/21/11 09:24 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Hegesias]
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darkthrone is a great band, and of course burzum and emperor are cool too, and marduk. there's a technical death metal band from sweden called aeon that have lyrics that sound like they belong on a death metal album.
also there was a band from seattle called burning witch, that mixed black metal and really slow sludge and stoner metal, they were really cool, and are worth a listen.

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#51076 - 03/16/11 01:41 AM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Morbid Rex]
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Of the (admittedly limited) black metal I’ve heard since the mid 1990’s, most holds no appeal for me. Terrible vocals, “raw as fuck” recordings (which apparently translates into “zero production values and recorded in someone’s bedroom”), and I really have a hard time taking anything in “corpse paint” and giant spiked gauntlets seriously. However, Deathspell Omega have been the most consistently rewarding band in this genre to my ears (with the exceptions of their earliest work, which is pretty much just awful and cliched):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TUlsy6o0To

Beyond that, Bergraven really appeals to me (at least, on their last two or three releases):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4sPW8kDfqk

Blut Aus Nord have been quite hit-and-miss for me, but when they’re at their best, the work can be very satisfying.

And, I’ve got a number of releases by Shining, but don’t know a great deal about the band. However, I believe the “Black” part of “Blackjazz” is simply aesthetic, for this release. A recommended disc, nevertheless. Shining at times makes me think of a diabolical Painkiller/Zorn:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTUzODkzMTg0.html

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#51088 - 03/16/11 09:07 AM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Baron dHolbach]
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You may want to look for these guys too, pretty good all 'n all.

Coldworld- Suicide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr3aFFprsqc&feature=related

Coldworld - Dead Stars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEvnEUeinFo&feature=related

Hopeless - Share your pain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwnZHyUAqJI&feature=related

Hopeless - Funeral Of Life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200Ap512QVU&feature=related

Apathia - Lost Memories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOCWK9Czxm4&feature=related
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#51114 - 03/16/11 05:35 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Silencer]
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 Originally Posted By: Silencer
'Hopeless' is excellent. I tried putting the project on metal archives a few years back and they rejected it twice.



Inquisition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLffD3SOVnM&feature=related

The Absolute Of Malignity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmkXLc7mrlA&feature=related

Darkat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xda9y_21gXY
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#51117 - 03/16/11 06:15 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Hegesias]
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That sucks the rejection .. However, they are still sublime.

Edit: thanks for the links.


Edited by Silencer (03/16/11 06:54 PM)
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#51904 - 03/29/11 03:31 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Black metal has no threat of being watered down by the inevitable wave of pretentious arty scene people. Black metal is a conversation with the primal, the feral, the bestial and our violent propensity. Black metal quickens dark mental activity. It is not talking to anyone nor portraying anything to anyone except those who would listen and happen to understand.

It would be unnatural for me to identify with those who like to associate themselves with the allure of darkness surrounding black metal without actually being sinister in real life. That which is portrayed by scene persons and their pretentious acceptable works is of no concern to me. The underground obscures itself by it's own false reputation. Anti- art expressionism in hostile opposition to God (Christianised / moralised society). The misanthropic expression opposed to God and humanity, having renounced conventional morality. The iconoclastic imagery and tone is violent and macabre, and actively nihilistic. This is however a collateral consequence of the simple fact that dark mental activity is the cause. Some people have a greater propensity for introspection or a greater threshold for stimulation and can see depth in simplicity.

Who would listen to the language of an indecipherable song and know what is being sung about, understands the faceless nature black metal. Anything which attempts to spoon feed you, like scene bands do, is not black metal no matter how much it's creators try to be or thinks it is.

I am not here to debate about what is or what isn't black metal but to be blatant and tell you it isn't the meticulous and polished work of a master craftsman, it's emotionally pure music no matter how unpleasant it is to listen to or hard understand for comfort seekers, some of us find the quickening of dark menial activity stimulating, because our ear is trained to decipher and differentiate what is presenced violence and aggression from what is merely pretentious craftsmanship portraying acceptable evil. Black metal scene bands are a sorry sight of unintentional comedy. Anything that is watered down by restraint in vocalisation or instrumentation, is only to be removed from and to be alien to the abstractionless nature of black metal. One needs to realise that art creates itself being an uncontrollable consequence of the Will to create it.

Expressing oneself is a very hard thing to do in this society so black metal is underground for a reason, society cannot accept it because they want acceptable entertainment. I see more dark propensity in innocent pop songs than lame horror movies and the lame scene black metal. The underground minority will always obscure itself with it's own false reputation forged by the majority. The anti-art movement is not consigned to black metal either but here is something where the bestial intersects with introspection.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ-mWZnaub0&feature=related
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#51939 - 03/30/11 03:46 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Hegesias]
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It’s always disappointing to me when a student of mine wants to learn how to play Black Metal. I don’t criticize them for their taste in entertainment; however it is counterproductive to musical growth. It’s like the kids in my generation who hero-worshiped shitty Punk Rock bands. They saw an easy medium in which to succeed at (by copying everyone else) that involves very little practice or initiative. I can’t offer much help to those kiddies who strive for something less than mediocre, and Black Metal is technically vapid. Tremolo picking and blast beats are certainly expressive, and I’ll admit to listening to some Black Metal when the occasional mood hits, but teenaged male “cutters” don’t necessarily make the best musicians. I try explaining that to young fans who think Black Metal is the pinnacle of aggressive musicality and I usually lose them as students. So be it. I’d also rather teach a youngster how to cook for himself rather then point him in the direction of the nearest fast food joint.
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#51943 - 03/30/11 08:22 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Mitch Koch]
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It’s always disappointing to me when a student of mine wants to learn how to play Black Metal. I don’t criticize them for their taste in entertainment; however it is counterproductive to musical growth. It’s like the kids in my generation who hero-worshiped shitty Punk Rock bands. They saw an easy medium in which to succeed at (by copying everyone else) that involves very little practice or initiative.


Imagine how bad it is in contemporary “noise music” genres. Noise -- a style of audio expression that requires absolutely -no- skill, discipline, or “vision”, and one in which the price of admission is often ZERO, since almost every kid already has a computer, if nothing else to use for generating and recording sound. The audience’s expectations are often just as low, since noise is a genre in which more often than not each listener has his own “project”, and little above a cheap cassette tape recording wrapped in amateur & crappy J-card artwork is usually expected -- all stroked and glorified on the internet.

At one point back in the 1990’s I noticed (thru people I knew who were into Black Metal) an increasing number or BM musicians concocting ambient/experimental “side projects” (Mortiis was perhaps the most laughable in this mold), and in the past several years it seems every other noise/experimental electronics act and recording “label” have become enamored with BM, and try their hands at what’s often incredibly poor versions of a genre of metal that’s already dubious enough as it is, coming from actual practitioners of Black Metal. That, or so many “industrial” types come up with superficial, pointless takes on “black industrial/noise.” This very rarely produces anything of genuine artistic merit and musical value, and almost always reeks of envious trend jumping by noise noodlers who want expressions as “extreme” and, I suppose, darkly evocative as BM is in their eyes.

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#51949 - 03/30/11 10:43 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Mitch Koch]
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I actually find the punk rock comparison quite amusing as ive read that people like east bay ray and greg ginn could actually play which is why their bands evolved and they are still involved in music whilst alot of the punk guitar players they inspired are no longer involved in music.
Funny story that kind of relates prog to punk to black metal, One of the band the crust punks used to respect was Hawkwind infact Amebix and a few other bands have listed the Dave Brock/Huw Lloyd Langton line up as a big influence on them. Huw has also played black metal with the British black metal meets space rock band The Meads of Asphodel.

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#51956 - 03/31/11 02:17 AM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Mitch Koch]
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There is not many examples of music that I don't resonate with. I myself appreciate Maria Calas, Penderecki and Alfred Schnittke, definitely not the same as all other classical music nor is all black metal represented by a contemporary formulae.

I agree, you can't teach somebody to play black metal because it is something individual.

To realise what is unnecessary from other music styles, including metal and other black metal, and to find what resonates most with our dark unconsciousness. It will turn out that learning every chord on the guitar will not teach you to play just a few necessary ones with conviction and deliberation.

Instruments are only tools in music get a specific job done. Distractions such as solos, unnecessary hooks and licks do not belong in emotionally pure, minimalist black metal music, no matter how hard it is to listen to for those expecting harmony, the melody, yes melody, is only speaking to those who would resonate with it. If you hear monotonous noise, this is because the music simply is utter crap made by lazy people, or you simply don't have a trained ear for what's going on.

Black metal is not for everyone because many people like variety, some find depth by coming deeply into focus with what they are naturally aligned with. Why? Because this resonates the real face of the dark. It can not be heard by all because it is the voice of the Beast. It is not speaking to anyone. It is only speaking.

Forgotten Woods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dntpW9V7naU&feature=related

Darvulia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GT27CWY1k&feature=related

TYMAH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTNOvokk9Gg&feature=related
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#52006 - 03/31/11 10:00 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Mitch Koch]
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I run into the same types of people in art-- those that would rather copy some simplistic style (such as the generic "anime look") instead of genuinely develop artistic talent by practicing life drawing.

Such people fail to realize that without taking the time to learn the fundamentals of a discipline, they will never produce anything remotely original.

I cannot speak with much authority in music, however. I do have my own melodic EBM project, but it is admittedly simplistic. At least I don't distort my vocals like every other kid with a keyboard. >>
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#52355 - 04/07/11 06:25 AM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: The Zebu]
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Graveland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Jd-VVYX00&feature=related

Ildjarn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHv-EZ9T-Ts&feature=related

Menace Ruine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XpL0LwYC0s

Paysage d'Hiver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkVZA29eJtY&feature=related

The Ruins of Beverast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaY48GauZgg&feature=related

Reverorum Ib Malacht
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_WvyfX1OG0

Profanatica
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLchxLIA3vI

Portal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emrBZZtGFgI
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#52422 - 04/07/11 08:30 PM Re: Heaviest Black Metal I Ever Heard [Re: Hegesias]
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carpathian forest rules\m/
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