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#28995 - 08/28/09 11:27 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: godam666]
ceruleansteel Offline
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I noticed your posting spree this morning, and I also noticed your choice of the word, "elite".

If you want to be elite around here, practice better keyboarding, spelling and grammar skills. Expand your posts so that you have some meat to what you are saying. And learn the difference between "they're", "their" and "there".

Your posts read like stream-of-consciousness ravings. It's a tad annoying to the average, unsuspecting reader. It's extremely annoying to people like me, who are aware of and practice these rules of the English language.

Care to take a bit of pride? We have people here with English as a second language who compose better replies than yours. If you're pinched for time, save the reply until later. We do so much enjoy reading something that is worth reading, and throwing out an opinion that has ten thousand grammatical errors and lacks backup - whether it be via stated logical facts or personal anecdotes - is a step in the wrong direction, fo sho.

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#28998 - 08/28/09 12:44 PM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: ceruleansteel]
godam666 Offline
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I don't want to be "elite", nor to I strive to be "elite". My perception is all that I offer any of you. I don't care for opinions either unless thery're of some significant value. Apparently you didn't read what I wrote, because they are not just opinions, but general psychology. People tend to overlook the basics. Remember your foundation. Because with out them no matter how much you build afterwards doses not determine that it stands, or crumbles to the floor.

I just offered a different perception and view on this topic. If you do not see the point I made, or see any value in it is your opinion and no one can take that away from you. However opinion does not decide truth, or even a slight variation of it. It is just a represtative of everything I said before this post. You know the one you decided to just comment on the spelling and leave no actual scholastic value in return. If I'm not mistaken this site is about knowledge and philosophy.

I don't mind criticism, but isn't your simplistic reply just as you reply to others as "mucking up" a forum. Grammarcial errors do not decide intelligence, or value. They do however express that the person were either in a hurry, they were tired (which is my case most of the time) or they just don't care. Thanks for the criticism, but if you do offer it atleast offer more than mere common sense.

Again thanks for you time everyone.



Edited by godam666 (08/28/09 12:52 PM)
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#29000 - 08/28/09 01:00 PM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: godam666]
ceruleansteel Offline
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From your post, that I replied to:

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Perception and descrimination. The main thing's that are naturaly put into your thought process. perception, based on personality, morals/beliefs, mood and a hell of alot more things. (the most important part of your thought process)(ofcourse). Better could be worse to someone else, but that just depends on just where they stand. Let me remind you, you are a satanist (probally if your reading this). That means alot at nomatter where you sit or stand. We are different, we are the elite. We took the path not many have dared to walk before, we are a revolution.


So I take it that you are NOT a Satanist? Because here you insinuate that a Satanist IS elite, and takes pride, etc., etc.

And for the record, it's damned near impossible to read what you write because the shit that spews forth from your keyboard barely makes any sense. Your spelling is shit, you leave words out or add in words that appear to come from your own personal dictionary, and your punctuation makes me want to slam my face into an auger. Your perception is worthless if other people can't figure out what the fuck it is.

Fuck this. I'm not going to fuck up OP's rig with what appears to be an argument that you desperately need to lose. Take this up with me on the thread I just posted, so I can whip your ass without derailing other people's hard work and effort.

And if a mod would be so kind as to move these posts, I would definitely think of them whilst in the shower.

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#29001 - 08/28/09 01:09 PM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: godam666]
Dimitri Offline
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For starters, to come across as an intelligent person you should act, behave and write as one. In your first reply, you were talking about "we are the elite". In the case you consider yourself as an elitist: act like one if you have the skills.
This is an online board read by many, if you want your credibility not being criticized then you better learn/start writing a bit decently. If you make claims: back them up( or at least have the ability to do so..), when you write something: proper, decent sentences and paragraphs, also it is best to avoid "slang" language since this is an international forum and most members who aren't English will not understand what you are saying (maybe a few exceptions but that's about it).

There are enough online programs who will take out most grammar mistakes.

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I don't want to be "elite", nor to I strive to be "elite".

So you are just admitting you are nothing more then a black sheep?

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I don't mind criticism, but isn't your simplistic reply just as you reply to others as "mucking up" a forum. Grammarcial errors do not decide intelligence, or value.

You don't mind it, yet start whining when received... tell me you are lying? Grammatical errors DO decide intelligence. Lacking the ability to write a decent sentence let's your credibility decline in free fall, even so it is a sign to almost any person on the world you aren't as smart as you try to be.

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They do however express that the person were either in a hurry, they were tired (which is my case most of the time) or they just don't care.

If you are in a hurry, then you shouldn't make posts on the Internet.
"Hey 5 minutes before I get to work.. I'll quickly make another post even tough it will be full of grammar mistakes".
The topics or this board isn't going to walk away... it will still be on the same spot in cyberspace between now and next week..

You should be very ashamed, my 3rd language is English and my grammar is even better then yours.. better then a native speaker for fucks sake.


Edited by Dimitri (08/28/09 01:33 PM)
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#29002 - 08/28/09 01:25 PM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: ceruleansteel]
godam666 Offline
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Funny how you talk about grammar, but you are guilty of the same for which you acusse me of. I will not consider myself the same as you, because we value different things. I am satanic, but by nature. I do not strive to be "more satanic" than anyone else, because that would be self defeating in many aspects.

Just because you cannot make any sense of it does not consitute, or validate it. Maybe you could use a good slamming of you head into something very hard. If you cannot figure out what was simply said than you just ponit out sheer ignorance and or understanding.

This is actually not messing up this topic at all. It is actually a good example of why people think that there are inequalities among satanist. Perception as I stated before is the reason of this. You cannot validate that anyone is more, or less of anything with out a basis to start off of. The inconsistency of it makes it invalid, except to the people that share the same view in that aspect, but will also disagree with something.
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#29004 - 08/28/09 01:51 PM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: godam666]
ceruleansteel Offline
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You aren't Satanic. You stated earlier two points:

1. Satanists are elite.
2. You do not want to be elite.

Therefore you are NOT Satanic - and don't want to be, by your very own logic. And if you were indeed Satanic "by nature", you would naturally have the desire to post in such a way that you appeared to have at least one-tenth of a brain. So that you could appear "Satanic", i.e., "elite".

Oh, but you don't want to be elite. Or do you? You talk in circles of bullshit and it doesn't take a nine year old to see it. I noticed that you have started separating your paragraphs. Sadly for you, that just proves the "validity" of what I said to you regarding your posts. It also better illustrates how your posts "constitute" complete stupidity.

And if you can find where I ramble on incoherently in a post that is barely readable and full of spelling and grammatical errors, I will publicly apologize and concede. Good luck with that, though. Half the time I post, I've already made it halfway through a good bottle of bourbon and I STILL make sense. Too tired to do it right? Then go to fuckin' bed and don't post. There is simply no excuse for being a douche or an idiot.

I'm glad that you do not consider yourself the same as me. That would be offensive to me.

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Just because you cannot make any sense of it does not consitute, or validate it.


What the fuck does that even mean? According to the rules of grammar and sentence structure, you are saying that just because I cannot make sense of your posts does not "constitute or validate" your posts. Do you even know the definition of the words you are typing? Did you drop out of school in the second grade so you could hone your Satan-skills? Oh, "your kind" call them "satin-skills", don't you?

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Maybe you could use a good slamming of you head into something very hard.


Once again, you use the wrong word, and everyone on the board laughs at you because they know what went through my mind when I read this little literary gem. I almost didn't even see the word, "head".

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If you cannot figure out what was simply said than you just ponit out sheer ignorance and or understanding.


I read, speak, and type in English. Whatever fucking language you do those things in is not compatible.

Stop posting. You are an idiot. And if you still choose to reply to me, use a fucking dictionary. You use words improperly and that just further underscores the fact that I am right and you are a tool.


Edited by ceruleansteel (08/28/09 01:53 PM)

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#29009 - 08/28/09 09:08 PM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: godam666]
Jake999 Offline
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In regard to the question at hand, a simple point of order:

When was it ever said that a Satanist BELIEVES in equality?

"All men are created equal," isn't a Satanic ideal, other than for the idea that all men are born into life pretty much the same way, take a first breath and then all bets are off. From that point on, very, very little can be seen as equitable.

Some men rise to greatness, taking opportunities as they present themselves, or capitalizing on what has gone before them, finding a new way to present it and "market it," making it, and himself, more valuable to the life into which he has been place.

Some men fail. They simply fail. They sell themselves into servitude and into subordination based on their lack of ambition, their mental acuity, their addictions, their self-doubts. They become poster children for the "born loser."

And in between, there is a wide range of possibilities for where a person is going to find themselves in representing individuality within the human condition. The lightbulb analogy works... not everyone is a 100 Watt person. There are 75 Watters, down to those silly little 5 Watt bulbs we all know are deficient, but are too polite to point at and laugh.

Whether one is BETTER than another is a moot point. They shine with the wattage they need to fulfill the position they hold. And within each strata, you'll find some better and some worse at what they do... the best or the worst and the worst of the best are on the same sliding scale of value. Equality seems more myth than fact."

For example, we know that "every man and woman has value," and that "life is precious." Ok. So, while I hate to go into the mental masturbation of philosophical what ifs... two men standing on a street corner and a car MUST hit and kill one. Do you take out the bum, begging, with a sign that says, "Lost hope. Please give me your spare change," or do you take out the heart surgeon who just happens to be crossing at the light?

Now, resist your urge to show how much you can split hairs with the bullshit arguments... well, maybe the bum will be a tycoon one day and the heart surgeon will save the next Hitler. That's for people who simply don't want to do the real work. Choose. Which has more intrinsic value to society... which would be the superior choice and which would be the inferior?

Certainly there are people who are more "valuable" to society and within each stratification of society than others. Are they "better?" One could demonstrate that they are, although the term "better" could be better stated as "more well equipped to handle their relative position. This could be due to better education, better life circumstances or even better "luck" than the next gut. But between any two people, there is always going to be an inequity SOMEWHERE... might be insignificant or it might be highly significant. But total equality, if not mythic, might be as rare as "hen's teeth."
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#29011 - 08/29/09 01:23 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: Jake999]
Azathoth68 Offline
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Whether one is BETTER than another is a moot point

Interesting how you posit this then refute it with numerous examples that indicate an invalidation of your own point. Like:

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Are they "better?" One could demonstrate that they are

You just wrote that the aforementioned point was moot, yet you go on to state the necessity of demonstrating that this isn't the case. Nice reversal...

Or my favorite:
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there is a wide range of possibilities for where a person is going to find themselves in representing individuality within the human condition


What does this even mean? Are you studying enigmatic conundrums?
How does this even begin to add to the relevance of your post?

Beyond cryptic irrelevance, we as humans 'are' individuals, the fact that 'a wide range of possibilities' contributes to the expression of that individuality can neither be measured, or explained.

Individual will ultimately designs the patterns of our lives, not possibilities, not random chance or situational frivolity.
Will alone precludes blind acceptance to one's station, and enables the individual to either excel or fail within the confines of modern society.

Inequality is CAUSED by the differences in weak and strong willed individuals. Whether or not Satanists believe in equality is irrelevant. What matters is the intensity of will inherent to the individual. And how that will is expressed.







Edited by Azathoth68 (08/29/09 01:42 AM)

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#29013 - 08/29/09 02:20 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: Azathoth68]
Jake999 Offline
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THINK before you speak...

The point is that it doesn't matter whether the person is a 50 Watt individual or a 100 Watt individual... within their own minds, they are functioning at full efficiency, hence,

"They shine with the wattage they need to fulfill the position they hold. And within each strata, you'll find some better and some worse at what they do... the best or the worst and the worst of the best are on the same sliding scale of value. Equality seems more myth than fact."

The point of better is therefore moot, because there can be no meeting of the minds on a consensus on what would be "BETTER." Simply looking at two 75 Watt light bulbs means nothing because there is no comparable difference. Individuals on a level with each other see themselves from an egocentric vantage point. They feel that they are the best that they can be and deserving of the respect that they feel they should be due, regardless of their station in life. The expert tatooist looks down on the scratcher, just as surely as Einstein looked down on the lab tech... but the scratcher sees himself as qualified and the lab tech likewise thinks of himself and highly evolved in comparison to others. And of course, within the individual stratifications of people of all walks of life, there will be distinctions, such as, Sam can type, Jim can't... they're both level 1 diagnosticians, but the skill sam possesses is an enhancement to his worth as a level 1 diagnostician.

Leading to," Are they "better?" One could demonstrate that they are,"

You can't just read the part of the package that you want to fit your point. The rest of the paragraph states, " although the term "better" could be better stated as "more well equipped to handle their relative position. This could be due to better education, better life circumstances or even better "luck" than the next gut. But between any two people, there is always going to be an inequity SOMEWHERE... might be insignificant or it might be highly significant. But total equality, if not mythic, might be as rare as "hen's teeth."

This of course brings in a way to quantify the worth of an individual with an observable metric when compared to others, i.e., greater education, wider range of experience, and perhaps the ability to read and understand a complex sentence when presented. In this scenario, by applying the alternative and more concise application of the term "BETTER," one COULD indeed make such a determination.

To simplify things even further, Jim and John were both electricians, and that was all that was known about them, a determination of which one is better has no meaning because there is no metric by which to form an informed decision, so the point of which of them is better is moot. However, if one applies a metric that allows comparison on a meaningful level, direct and quantifiable comparisons can indeed be made. "Jim and John are both electricians. John has 100 hours of training, whereas Jim has 10. John has 2000 hours of experience where Jim has 100, there fore one could assume that John would be the better electrician.
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#29014 - 08/29/09 02:40 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: Jake999]
Azathoth68 Offline
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You can't just read the part of the package that you want to fit your point.

You're wrong there, you posited one statement then refuted your own point later in your argument. Are you denying this? If you do, I suggest you re-read that post, then you'll be able to examine the points that you're using to elucidate your argument that are self-canceling.

As far as comparing the relative societal worth of persons of differential 'wattage', the analogy is apt, but what does it really have to do with relative equality when both described parties are functioning at their own maximum potentials?

At the very least, I find your argument confusing. And as far as the THINK before you speak, I'd suggest you think before you write such statements as:

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And in between, there is a wide range of possibilities for where a person is going to find themselves in representing individuality within the human condition


So the middle of the bell-curve involves an unexplained pseudo-quasi variable that neither bolsters your point or seeks to logically defer your argument to a rational conclusion?

I read your last post, more than once, and sought to glean some semblance of a coherent argument from it, and failed. Perhaps I'm missing something in the text that could be more easier explained over a beer.

If I'm wrong, please prove yourself right.


Edited by Azathoth68 (08/29/09 02:43 AM)

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#29015 - 08/29/09 02:53 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: Azathoth68]
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Azathoth.. just shut up, reread jakes post after a period of time and you'll see it makes sense.
As said before, don't "pick what you like". That kind of attitude is only good for religionists and is bad when used in discussions.
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#29017 - 08/29/09 03:05 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: Dimitri]
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"Good for religionists...", Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I was merely pointing out that I found it hard to follow on argument based upon self-canceling points that did not rationally follow to an acceptable conclusion. Perhaps you would be so kind as to prove my counter wrong. Believe me, when I hear a point made that will alter my opinion of what I've read and that will enable me to understand the points made more effectively, I'll be the first to jump on the wagon and start whistling a different tune.
Until then, why should I reread something I've already perused several times, and then come to a different conclusion 'after a period of time'? "Bad when used in discussions?", well said by someone who begins a post by telling someone to shut up. Don't worry though, I've read many of your arguments, and I'm sure they've directly contributed to your 'non-blue' status.


Edited by Azathoth68 (08/29/09 03:09 AM)

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#29018 - 08/29/09 03:13 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: Azathoth68]
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Sorry... I don't see any need to PROVE myself to you. You lost all credibility with me the night in chat where you played silly ass games and made a fool out of yourself.

But to answer "And in between, there is a wide range of possibilities for where a person is going to find themselves in representing individuality within the human condition." OF COURSE they are. You can't be so obtuse to believe that people can't show individuality while still being representative of a "category" of people. Perhaps YOU can't... I can... I do. So does every other person that I know. A bank teller who is a stodgy conservative by day, but cuts loose at night as an exotic dancer... a skinflint who steadfastly supports the rights of the homeless... it's all part of man's dichotomous nature.

If you're looking to argue with people, you've come to the wrong door. I don't do that or respect people who have nothing better to do than to argue forever on the internet. Winning an argument on the internet is like winning a ribbon in the Special Olympics. Sure you won. But you're still retarded.
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#29019 - 08/29/09 03:17 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: Jake999]
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As an aside, Dimitri's "non blue" status is far from unique. There are many non-blues, yourself included. It's neither a condemnation of his posts and abilities, nor is it something you should concern yourself with, since the decision on the awarding of Familiar status has nothing to do with you or your opinion of other members.
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#29020 - 08/29/09 03:48 AM Re: Inequality among Satanists [Re: Jake999]
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Sorry, I automatically disregard any statements that begin with 'shut up' when they're used as a rebuttal to a rational argument. Perhaps I should have replied with a 'yo-momma' joke to descend to an acceptable level in reply.
As far as my credibility matters where you are concerned, I could not possibly care less. I have no delusions about my worth in this life, or the next, if there is one, so beginning a rebuttal by stating how I've lost credibility with you has no bearing upon whether or not I'm going to call you to task when I think you're wrong. I'll admit I was mischievous that night, but Hell, I'd had a few. \:o
And concerning 'coming to the wrong door' if I want to argue a logical fallacy, isn't that part of the reason that people even get involved with this board? To debate ideas and provide rational critiques when they feel that they've perceived error, and using their own intellect to argue their own point of view?
I give respect where respect is due...You have a lot of history in the occult community, and I definitely respect that. However, credibility lost by a buzzed fool matters less than credibility lost by a banal point of view.

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