#28382 - 08/12/09 11:37 PM
World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
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zippadydooda
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Wasn't sure if this belonged in politics or philosophy. here goes nothing
World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
I’m sure this will receive some interesting feedback. My personal opinion, is that world peace is only a nice thought. My faith in humans is low and few. The idea that various denominations can deny their grievances with one another is either totally or nearly impossible. In my experience, humans tend toward focus on the self rather than the collective. We on these forums are evidence of that.
This brings up a new question: on this forum, what is the dedication: the individual, or the collective? The fact that it’s a forum, and not some ill founded place run by 40 year old with no life gives this place the appearance of striving toward the collective.
Perhaps I state this in arrogance to a larger picture, and perhaps the tenants of these forums are focused on a collaboration of sorts, but it seems as though for a community to exist in any way what so ever, the individual must make some denial of them self. Please correct my logic if it’s flawed, but this is the conclusion I have come to.
cheers.
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#28384 - 08/12/09 11:59 PM
Re: World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
[Re: zippadydooda]
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6Satan6Archist6
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World peace is achievable only once all life (at least human and nonhuman animal life) is wiped out.
Most of my "dedication", as you put it, is to myself. I have to look at for number one first and foremost because no one else is going to do it for me. That is not to say that I am completely selfish, it is possible for me to care about other people. Those other people, however, are few in numbers. I think the same can be said about other Satanists. Satanism is a selfish philosophy that exalts ones-self above all others and with it comes a dedication to the self before all others.
As far as this community is concerned; it seems at the very least "we" are all brought here because of a shared interest in Satanism. I wouldn't say an of us is "denying the self", rather, like you said, we are collaberating. I guess it can be said that some of us are working towards the "collective". In this case it would be the collective betterment (is that even a word) of the site. At the very least trying to keep this place from turning into another worthless internet forum that no one wants to visit.
I suppose that same model could be applied on a larger scale where people, even if they are the most selfish person out there, in some way "work together" to assure that quality of life is good for "all" including themself. Even if said "working together" is only an understanding that we all shouldn't be running around killing each other.
Even with that common sense agreement amogst most people; world peace is still nothing more than a pipe dream. There will always be greed, jealousy, sadism and the thirst for power. All those will always create violence. Even other animals will never cease preying on each other. That is just what "we do". Hell, even ant colonies war with one another over territory and resources.
Sorry if I went off topic. I had alot going through my head just now and it became a little hard to articulate myself.
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#28385 - 08/13/09 12:16 AM
Re: World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
[Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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blsk
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I have to agree with you both. World peace is an idea and, as long as there continues to be life of ANY form, it will remain as such. We are merely parasites on an organism we call earth. Something HAS to die for another form to live. Only, with people, this is a bit different. Not only does something have to die for us to live (be it plant or animal) but we also have not only an incredible imagination but also the power to bring it about. These ideas also have the ability to cause a profound loss of life no matter how "peaceful" their intent. If by world peace you mean everyone laughing and walking around patting each other on the ass for a good days work, I say nay. Too much conflict of interest and pride. That is what we are and, as long as we are here, it will never go away.
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#28388 - 08/13/09 12:30 AM
Re: World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
[Re: zippadydooda]
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zippadydooda
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You got your point across. I'm still new to this thing, so i have little knowledge of it, and such.
I'm never articulate, so dint worry about it. on topic though, I'm going to attempt to restate my opinion in a more coherent way. there is a saying from Russia i believe, it goes " got people problem? no people no problem". it somewhat proves where you said there wont be world peace until there is no life on earth.
I've actually thought of a better way of stating the question. is world peace a true or false hope? through my perception it is, therefore, should it be driven to the ground?
another thing: how much of ones own desire is it worth to give up for the collective? example, the are 2 girls and three guys. naturally, each guy wants both girls, so how do they decide? the only acceptable answer would be for 2 of them to team up, and destroy the other one. then when he's destroyed, do you kill the other, or let him live? is it possible there may have been a fourth unknown man, or even 2 more men who have decided to team up and kill the other two?
I'm going way off topic, but if anyone would lay claim to dispute my line of thought, i urge you to do so.
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#28392 - 08/13/09 01:00 AM
Re: World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
[Re: zippadydooda]
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6Satan6Archist6
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I've actually thought of a better way of stating the question. is world peace a true or false hope? through my perception it is, therefore, should it be driven to the ground?
It is what? Please, finish your thoughts, otherwise things get confusing.
I would say that world peace is without a doubt a false hope. Though there may be people who truly hope for world peace, they are still delusional if they think people will ever see world peace.
another thing: how much of ones own desire is it worth to give up for the collective?
I suppose that would depend on who you were asking. For me there are quite a few things I would not give up for the collective. Things like women, beer, music the occasional joint. I enjoy those things too much. Even if giving them up were in the best interest of the collective they can fuck themselves.
example, the are 2 girls and three guys. naturally, each guy wants both girls, so how do they decide? the only acceptable answer would be for 2 of them to team up, and destroy the other one. then when he's destroyed, do you kill the other, or let him live?
A triple threat steel cage match would be the only possible solution. Two might decide to call it a draw aftery they kill the other one and each take one of the girls. It is also possible that one kills the other two and takes both women for themself. Unless the men are gay or the women are lesbians or any other other variable that hasn't been specified. This has really gone of topic though so I will stop theorizing what could happen.
is it possible there may have been a fourth unknown man, or even 2 more men who have decided to team up and kill the other two?
Not according to the scenario you set up where there are only five people.
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#28395 - 08/13/09 01:57 AM
Re: World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
[Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Asmedious
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Comrades, comrades. No need to fight. We share the women. That is, if as according to your scenario, they do not seem to have a choice in the matter. No one bothered asking them who they wanted to be with.
As for the world peace issue. I think the only ever so slightly possibility of world peace, would be in a world without religion.
There would also have to be enough natural resources for everyone. At least for those who have the ability to fight.
Even if there was world peace by some miracle, I wouldn’t expect it to be a Utopia where everyone liked each other. It would be based more on mutual TOLERATION, and not necessarily respect.
As for old enemies not being able to bury the hatchet, I don’t agree with that. Look at the Europian union. For thousands of years those people fought and killed each other, through countless wars.
Now, because of competition with the U.S, and realizing the each individual country would have a very hard time playing in the world theater, they are at least attempting to come together, to form a Union. It’s far from perfect, but at least they are trying.
The United States, and England fought each other twice. Yet, now, they are one of our closest allies
One of my biggest concerns with world peace, is that I believe that in order to achieve it, people would have to be willing to give up their individual freedoms aka. Civil Liberties. There would have to be a lot of government control, to keep people in line. And, as we have seen, the more government control there is, the more control it needs, to ensure the safety of the people from the people.
And as Benjamin Franklin said, “Those who would give up their liberty, for security, deserve neither.”
Or something like that.
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#29099 - 09/01/09 01:02 AM
Re: World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
[Re: Zorg]
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Final Conflict
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Registered: 08/11/09
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The people who rant on the most about peace are usually the people who provoke the most wars, i.e. Christians and Muslims.
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#29237 - 09/03/09 11:06 PM
Re: World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
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Damis
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To respond to the original post, is world peace possible.. My answer to that is no. Conflict, be it on a small scale or on a larger scale such as war, has always been a present force in history as far back as can be recorded. This to my mind is pretty obvious evidence to show that humans are naturally a race prone to violence.
In nature, the general rule is survival of the fittest, animals compete for food and water in the wild, be it with other animals or with other members of their own species (particularly in times of mating!) A common result of competition between two competitors is violence, with the stronger,smarter or faster often being the victor and subsequently reaping the rewards. Again Violence is inevitably the method of carnivorous species to disable and kill their prey.
Now think of the above on a much larger, sophisticated scale. Replace the food/mate with oil or land. Two currently important resources that opposing countries would readily fight over. It is true that diplomacy exists, however at some point down the line, a violent conflict inevitably explodes. An example being the continuous efforts of Germany to acquire new land from neighboring countries until the outbreak of war in 1939. The main fuel being ambition and desire to gain and become more powerful than rival countries. (Given that's a very basic outline but it illustrates the point).
Even with the existence of laws and religious doctrines, violence still frequently occurs. One of the ten commandments states "Thou shalt not kill", yet violence continues to occur between countries who claim to follow such a commandment...
From what I can see, no matter how much thought, doctrine or any other product of so called civilization is used to gloss over the true picture. In the end, when a prize is in sight, countries and people will eventually give in to instincts and conflict will result.
Unless human instinct is conquered in some manner, violence will always occur somewhere down the line, no matter how many treaties are signed, agreements are made or alliances forged. And without our instinct.. we would most likely lose our drive to survive, due to survival being the driving force and reason behind instinct.
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#38204 - 05/01/10 04:55 AM
Re: World peace: a nice thought, or a possibility?
[Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Mardi Gras
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here's my two cents,
imagination is a very powerful thing of the human mind, it is because of this "imagination" why we have such things as christianity, catholicism, or even hollywood for that matter even exist...
world peace is one of those, a figment of the human imagination, because it is not achievable for the simple fact that there will always be: racism, prejudism, mental illneses, and different points of view as long as we are walking and talking on this ball of dirt...
point blank, world peace is complete swill, something that will never happen and only exist in the realm of imagination
it can never happen as long as there are blacks and whites, christians and satanists all breathing the same air.
to answer your question, it is a false hope, and any and all who don't understand that conept are either not capable of comprehending the "facts" or are not intelligent enough to think straight.
maybe it would be possible, if there was one race and one religion, which by the way will never happen.
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