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#2847 - 12/22/07 03:03 AM "Left Hand Path"
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Hello my sinister fellows,

I've heard many things of the "LHP", and read a great deal as well... These definitions don't always exactly coincide - so, I am making a request of you "friends", if you would be kind enough to explain what the Left Hand Path means to you.

With gratitude,

David.
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#2853 - 12/22/07 09:26 AM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: daevid777]
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Wiki has a pretty good article on the LHP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Hand_Path_and_Right-Hand_Path

It is good starting point for the novice who is exploring the LHP.

Of course, a good survey of Crowley can go a long way toward your understanding of the LHP - just don't get bogged down in the esoteric. Remember, Crowley writes in a metaphoric stream of consciousness style. Either you will understand it or you will not.

And, perhaps the simplest explanation of the LHP can be found in the Samhain song "Lords of the Left Hand"

Left hand power of the pure
The world will tremble at our command
Left hand power of the lords
Builds upon our destiny
Destiny, take this land
Take this land by the death of man
Left hand triumph of the will
The world will whimper in our wake

At war with the planets
At war with all mankind
We will change the face of this earth
As our lord commands
In our holy quest for supremacy
Be our holy crime

Left hand power to take
What was ours from the day of birth
Left hand is grasping strong
It does not fear its destiny

At war with the planets
At war with all mankind
We will change the face of this earth
As our lord commands
In our holy quest for supremacy
Be our holy crime

Left hand, destiny
Left hand

At war with the planets
At war with all mankind
We will change the face of this earth
As our lord commands
In our holy quest for supremacy
Be our holy crime
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#2862 - 12/23/07 03:07 AM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: Fist]
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Dear Mr. Fist...

You may know a little bit about me... I truly wasn't asking for a Wikipedia definition... I almost feel insulted.

"At war with the planets"??? At war with the planets? No, I wouldn't dare, nor would I know how to start such a war. Nor would I ever want to.

You invite the name of Crowley, and I know his stance on this topic, yet it seems to contradict that which is used, or abused ad nauseum here. We are not so enlightened that we can use the Crowley definition, I think...

I was asking a "personal" question - what does it mean "to you"?

Thanks for your response, though. I hope you are doing well.
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#2866 - 12/23/07 09:50 AM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: daevid777]
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Then I will cut more or less to the chase...

The LHP is to be lived. Reading about it is not going to help that much. It is found in the practical application of the principle. For the real world try this as a LHP mission statement: The the needs, wants and desires of the individual trump those of the collective.

Enlightened self-interest over altruism.

And let us not forget:

"Do what thou will, shall be the whole of the law."

Is anyone still confused?

As an aside, again I will point out that Crowley confuses people because of his metaphoric stream of consciousness style. People look 'up' to him instead of just looking 'at' him. I think this is covered in the first few pages of TSB.

I really think most students of the occult look at Crowley the same way Xtians look at Jesus.
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#2871 - 12/23/07 01:36 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: daevid777]
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What does the Left Hand path mean to me? An easy question, with a complicated answer, and at times even a hypocritical one. Kind of like “Do as I say, not as I do.”
In other words, I don’t always follow what I preach.

First of all, to me, the definition of the Left Hand Path, comes from the Bible (and please don’t ask me for the verse, I don’t know it). Somewhere in that book, it is said that God will separate the good guys from the bad, by putting the sheep (good guys) by his right hand, and the goats (bad guys) by his left hand.
Feel free to correct me, if it does not actually say that. I might be just repeating some shit that I have heard, and not actually read. Sometimes the two gets confused in my little brain.

Therefore, according to that statement, I find myself by God’s left hand, with the goats.

Not because I am an Evil, bad guy, who looks to rebel against anything that might be considered as good, but because by my nature, and by what my life experience has taught me, it is not beneficial for my well being to follow all of the rules set forth by “God.”

That is all metaphor of course. Hopefully, if you have been around for awhile, you don’t need an explanation of why the above is not meant literally.

Through living, research, and personal experience, I have learned to embrace my HUMAN nature for all that it’s worth, instead of my SPIRITUAL nature, which I have come to believe to be just opium for a weak mind and spirit.

On the Right hand path, are the sheep, who follow just about any whim of spiritual ideal vomited up by either ancient or new aged so called prophets, psychoanalysts, gurus, and other “specialists,” who claim to have the answer for the way that I “should” live my life.

We have these people on the Left Hand too, but in many cases they are more likely to give us their opinions, and send us on our merry way, to continue to search our own path, and to see for ourselves, if there is any truth for us, in what they claim. They give tangible examples, and most of their theories are backed up by history (as we know it), and by the objective observation of human nature.

While the prophets of the right hand say “have faith in what I say, on my word alone,” the prophets of the Left Hand say, “Listen to what I say, then go out and test it for yourself, if you don’t find it to be true, then go find another way.....but pay for the book just the same.”

I’ve been on the right hand path, and the left hand path.

I found that obedience and faith brings peace of mind, and harmony. If it sucks, give it to Jesus, and let him bare the burden.

The Left Hand path brings real struggle, conflict, pain, discomfort, loneliness (at times), but it also brings self confidence, self reliance, the desire to live and to enjoy what exists now and not in some imagined after life.

There are no second chances on the left hand path. If you don’t tell people you care about how much they mean to you NOW, you will not have the opportunity to tell them after they are gone. Our time is precious to us, and if we don’t grasp it by the balls today, we realize that we may not have a tomorrow to do so.

Our fuck ups or so called burdends and misfortunes are ours alone to bare, and we do not have the privilage of blaming the cosmos for them. We are the ones responsible for ourselves and our lives. The blame, and the buck stop at our feet.
On the other hand, we give credit where it’s due. We applaud human accomplishment. We are truly greatful for our human healers, instead of taking the credit away from them, and giving it to a spirit in the sky.

We do not feel guilty for our pride, in our own accomplishments either. While others may claim that we are lucky to have the good things in life, we know that luck is simply “Preparedness meeting opportunity,” and we look for that chance everywhere we can.

When the shit hits the fan, and most of the world is on their knees looking for a magical hand to save them, we are on our feet, barring our teeth, swords, and using our brains to get ourselves out of the mess. Even if we fail, we may be proud, and take comfort in the knowledge, that we put up one hell of a fight, and although the opposition might have won, they are bleeding and torn, as they limp away in pain, with their victory, licking their wounds. While those on the Right Hand path, are turning the other cheek, so that too can get bashed in.
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#2872 - 12/23/07 01:59 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: Asmedious]
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Addendum: I wanted to delete my previous post up there, but ran out of time. I don’t like it. Too much verbal diarrhea on my part. I fell into the “Let me try to sound smart” trap, and I didn’t have enough time to even do that right. Notice my over use of the word “We.” Big trap right there. Who the fuck am I, to speak of a “WE,” when it’s all about “ME.”

This is what happens, if we, I mean, if I rush to write a response without taking the time to write it well, edit it, and let it mature before I post it. Ooops.
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#2873 - 12/23/07 03:03 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: Asmedious]
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I found it to be well written, informative, and a good read. I would have given it a star. "We", er I, thank you that you ran out of time and didn't delete it. If this is your version of verbal diarrhea, then pass the bottle of Pepto to someone else.
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#3036 - 12/31/07 02:34 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: fakepropht]
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Just to say, the right left thing is in the bible. Book of revelations and a little in john and its tnuched upon in daniel.
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#3046 - 12/31/07 06:55 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: x.emo.danny.x]
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 Quote:
Just to say, the right left thing is in the bible. Book of revelations and a little in john and its tnuched upon in daniel.



What? show some respect, I belive David asked for educated, or for a real response.


Edited by foras (12/31/07 06:59 PM)
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#3057 - 01/01/08 03:27 AM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: foras]
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Redundant, but I agree with Asmedious. LHP is simply a means manifesting your own desires to their conclusion. Someone once put a twist on an old adage that I find a bit corny, but true...

"Few follow the beat of a different drummer, fewer still beat their own drum."

I think it's paramount to keep the independent nature of Satanism unbound by anyone's definitions...otherwise your just following a different drummer. Why be relegated to a sheep or a goat when you can be whatever you want?
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#3085 - 01/02/08 06:57 AM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: Octavius]
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Yes, thanks to all, especially those with diarrhea...

I may have been asking too much here, but I thought it should have been the right place.

Good answers, all around.

Thank you all, good (or not so good) people.

By no means do I wish to close this particular thread by saying so, I just thank you for your responses thus far...
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#3105 - 01/02/08 10:19 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: daevid777]
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I was refering to asmedius when he said about the goats and jesus. i was just stating that yes it was in the bible and where to locate it if hecared to.
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#3592 - 01/19/08 12:25 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: daevid777]
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I hate to see a classic thread like this end without my name in it somewhere.

The Qabala has sharpened my understanding of the RHP and LHP a great deal. Both paths include both pillars (the white/right, left/black pillars, as they are often denoted), but there is usually an unspoken preference for one over the other. The difference, in my opinion, is one of taste. I chose the LHP, because that's the one I was on, and the taste I had already acquired.

The summit of either path leads the summit of the other. They descend from the same source. The pure stream contains both essences. The completion of one is the completion of the other. But no goal is ever fully understood until it is achieved. One definitively cannot yet know what one is setting out to learn. The meaning of "Great Work" changes dramatically with every attainment. So one is never farther down any path; only ever setting foot on a brand new one.

Before I go on:

Left Pillar:
3: Understanding
5: Extremity;Strength/Fear/Justice
7: Glory;Splendor
Right Pillar:
2: Wisdom
4: Mildness;Mercy;Love/Magnificence
7: Victory
Middle Pillar:
1: Crown
-: Knowledge
6: Beauty
9: Foundation
10: Kingdom

The LHP is wrought with more suffering than the RHP. There's no way around that one. But you really have no choice in the matter. If you have an uncompromising will or lack guidance, you are on the LHP. If you have no will of your own or take the truth for granted, you are on the RHP. And there are infinite degrees of interpolation.

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#3609 - 01/20/08 09:16 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: Chandler]
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 Originally Posted By: Chandler
The LHP is wrought with more suffering than the RHP. There's no way around that one.


Your signature unknowingly refutes that statement:

 Quote:
"Ignorance is the cause of suffering."
-The Buddha


If ignorance is the cause of suffering, then a LHP practitioner had better curb his or her ignorance (or egotistical impulses such as projection, denial and other psychological defense mechanisms).

If he cannot attain less or the same level of suffering as a RHP practitioner, and the Buddha's statement is true, does this not mean that the LHP is a more ignorant path than the RHP? Or would you rather re-consider some of the assumptions involved here?

For me personally, the LHP represents the pursuit of individual happiness, through power, intelligence, love, or whatever means to that end.
I do not endorse Nietzsche's view of sacrificing happiness (and even one's life) to the pursuit of power as an end in itself (did Nietzsche prefigure Hitler here?).
This is masochistic, self-destructive and (how ironically!) martyrlike. It is still unnecessary excessive sacrifice to an illusiory ideal.

The LHP to me represents a balanced individualistic path in which one's personal survival, well-being and happiness is paramount, personal power is exercised as a means to the end of this goal, and an objective and rational viewpoint (free from ignorance) is achieved, with free thought and a freedom from sheeplike conformity.


Incidentally (to avoid any confusion), this has little to do with the left side of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, which seems not intended to be 'chosen' in preference to the 'right side' in a strictly 'either/or' manner - I see the Kabbalah as operating somewhat like the Taoist principles of Yin and Yang, in which both opposing tendencies are harmonised.
The distinction of LHP as a choice distinct from the RHP is more of an emphasis on individuality (in my interpretation of it), rather than a rigid 'either/or' approach which fails to achieve any balance with the other side of the equation.

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#3611 - 01/20/08 09:52 PM Re: "Left Hand Path" [Re: Meq]
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"Ignorance is the cause of suffering" can be symbolized with logical connectives in the following way:

iI: Ignorance
iS: Suffering

Proposition: "If I then S"

"If S then I" DOES NOT FOLLOW.

It must hurt to be so illogical.

(Added the following thirty seconds later):

Ignorance can't be the ONLY cause of suffering. I imagine the Buddha had knowledge of fire, if he existed.



Edited by Chandler (01/20/08 09:58 PM)

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