Yes, Satanism, devil worshiping, and the Yesdiz's all existed before Anton codified it into one simple book.

So what? Does that mean we should all be reverse Xitian's? . . .
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As previously mentioned and suggested. Instead of saying these 2 guys names, how about you explain the impact they had on you. What their writing said to you verses what ASL writing said to you. Explain why you feel so strongly about them. . .
. . . I look forward to your essay on those two gentlemen and the affect they had on your satanic development to start with. . .

Also please give examples of these scholarly works on Satanism that you stated you are reading.

You state that the CoS should produce important writings for newbies, should be more of a movement, and not so much of a joke.
Why? Are you a member of the CoS? Most people here are not and for various reasons really don't care about the current CoS.

If you want something more in Satanism, or think it should say something more, then just fucking write it already instead of complaining about what other people should be doing.

Its not a matter of your opinions or words, its a matter of you backing them up and paying attention to stuff that is actually written on the board as Dimitri pointed out.

Again, a complete ignorance of what autotheism means in a Satanic context being shown here. You should really go read TSB before you post here again. . .

. . .Holy shit you don't get it at all. Have you even read the Satanic Bible?

It's funny that you should be trying to scold me for using language in a non-collectivist way, when in reality the opposite is true. When I talk about Satanism, those I am talking to know what the fuck I am on about. With you, the more you talk the less sense you make. You express complete ignorance of basic Satanic bedock concepts like autotheism, yet have no problem pretending you know what you are talking about. Your version of Satanism seems to be an amorphous blob of whatever you feel like at the moment. What's the point?

The main work, important for this discussion, is “mörkrets apostlar” by Per Faxneld. I am unsure if it has been translated though.

I am of the opinion that the strife for self-deification is good but to already consider yourself a supreme being often makes you more of an airhead in the end.

No not for newbies, they already have that. What I want is more academic like studies of Satanism from actual Satanists. I want more advanced material. I want this because I’d like to see something happen with the movement, some progress. As it is now its nothing as a religion or a philosophy.

I have a degree in religion and philosophy and have written a masters essay on the Temple of Set. Other things include a study on Thelema and a comparison between the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan in regards to philosophical standpoints. They are available for anyone to read through my university. If anyone is interested you can send me a PM. Although they are written in my native language. This is what I have done for Satanism (or however you would put it) like Draculesti asked me about.

I want more advanced material. I want this because I’d like to see something happen with the movement, some progress. As it is now its nothing as a religion or a philosophy.

ZARATHUSTRA, HOWEVER, LOOKED at the people and wondered. Then he spake thus: Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Superman—a rope over an abyss. A dangerous crossing, a dangerous wayfaring, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous trembling and halting. What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal: what is lovable in man is that he is an over-going and a down-going.

I don't know if the book is available in English, I never encountered it but maybe this part of it might add some information upon the subject.

A Luciferian Pamplet by Per Faxneld

D.

Congratulations with your degree, I hope you at least do the necessary work to keep it up..
On the other hand; big deal you made a masters essay. I wouldn't care for less. If it helped you to understand the better, but to be an actual contributon? As far as I read it in this response you only rehearsed known facts and presented it towards a jury. Perhaps the information is now a little more condensed and easier to find, but anyone with some spare time and motivation could have done the same.

Dan_Dread:

I think there are prominent ideas in Satanism that act as a centre of a movement. There is some core even if its not as strong as in other movements. In the amost 15 years I have followed Satanism I have been able to see a few different waves so to speak. Although not all of them related to LaVeyan Satanism.

The most prominent commonality is the absence of top down power structure in favour of self empowerment. If you try to instate a top down power structure you are by definition doing something else. Can you offer a coherent explanation as to how you think Satanism as a movement could work? What exactly, would be the shared goals? How would you get any number of individual Satanists to adopt these goals?

This is one of those complex thing we have to deal with in a philosophy that claims to be for non-joiners and for wolves (even though wolves travel in flocks of course ;\) )

Why do Satanic organizations even exist? And some run orgs and claims Satanists are non-joiners and still offer memberships.

I think a movement can be seen as an organization where likeminded people get together (willingly or "naturally") to share experiences and learn from each other.

n an organizational form I think the Temple of Set is a good example.

So while Satanism doesn’t necessarily have a leader to follow I feel there are “Satanic currents” or “Satanic waves” running through the religion from time to time that in some way creates a indistinct movement of sorts.

An organization is not the same thing as a movement. But that aside, if you look closely at the composition of most 'Satanic' groups you will find mostly sheep looking for somewhere to belong rather than any sort of cabal of like minds. I can't think of any organizations full of Satanists. Can you?

That isn't the definition of movement though. Getting together and chatting about common interests is not the same as rallying around a cause and trying to affect change. You really need to make a stretch to use the word movement at all, if that is how you are defining it. . .

. . .In all of that you didn't answer my questions. What exactly would the central rallying point be for this 'movement'? How would you get anyone to agree with your talking points?

Have you read the book of coming forth by night? Me either..but the general premise is that Set is real, out there, and alive on some level. A shared rally point, just like any other deity is to any other religion. I don't think comparing that org to Satanism is fair in this context. We don't have a shared belief in a cosmic deity.

You'll excuse me if I point out this as mumbo jumbo. What the hell is a satanic wave? Do I need a surf board?

Side note, maybe think about translating your paper into English and posting it in it's own thread?

And I never said it would be a school on “how to become a Satanist”. It would be a way to deepen you knowledge, broaden you horizons, learn about history of concepts etc. Even if a person reads about Satanism and thinks he or she is a Satanist it doesn’t mean he or she knows it all because of it. A perfectly working Satanic organization to me would be one where people got together to learn from each other in a way so that their own goals might get closer to reach. And if one prefers working alone then one doesn’t have to join obviously. I have personally for example never belonged to a Satanic organization.

You are describing this forum. The LHP in general and Satanism in specific are scarcely travelled. It is simply not tenable to gather in person, so a digital medium is the only workable model for an ongoing freeflow and exchange of ideas. Since this already exists(here we are) I am unsure what shortcomings you are perceiving in Satanism as a whole, in regards to it 'stagnating'. Stagnating how? What exactly do you think needs doing, and what action are YOU taking to get it done?