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#28536 - 08/17/09 12:59 PM Aquino on Oprah
Azathoth68 Offline
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I was lurking around YouTube and low and behold, an old clip from Oprah with Dr. Michael Aquino and his wife Lilith. Most of the clip involves a very sketchy 'tale' from a supposed former member of the C/S relating a ritual murder that he was a part of. You could drive a Mack truck through the holes in his (the supposed C/S member's) story. Lilith is bristling and Dr. Aquino pretty much dismantles the guy. I'd give my eye-teeth to have a copy of the whole show, but this was all I could find.
Bon Appetit!


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#28539 - 08/17/09 03:32 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: Azathoth68]
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This boy was no more a member of the Church of Satan that you, or a thousand other wannabe survivors of "satanic crimes."

Acolyte... acolyte robes... witches sabbath... killed in the shape of a cross... seven daggers...LOCAL high priest... ritual in cemetery ...COVEN.

It shows less of Dr. Aquino's skill in debunking him than it does the willingness of the media to jump at any opportunity to embrace extremism and the public's insatiable appetite for bullshit. I was surprised he could sit there without literally laughing in the clown's face.
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#28541 - 08/17/09 04:17 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: Azathoth68]
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Oprah is such a dumb cunt for defending that idiot and his bullshit story. Yeah, you can participate in a murder and not get prosecuted as long as you tell the police about it. Human stupidity knows no bounds. I too am surprised he wasn't laughed at for the statements he made, and I hope he was further made to look like an idiot. Seeing the whole show would certainly be interesting.
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#28571 - 08/17/09 06:17 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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According to this link http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/satanic_cults.htm Aquino admitted to being involved in the war against "god" sometime during that interview on oprah, plus claims against LaVey's stance on Satanism.. keep in mind i am aware of this source and that its not that reliable.
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#28575 - 08/17/09 06:38 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: bluj666]
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At least it shows where you get some of the nonsensical bullshit you post.
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#28578 - 08/17/09 06:50 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: bluj666]
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I am at war against "God" - at least, at war with the belief that one does exist and all the spectrum of effects that come with such a belief.

Even if that was said; so what?
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#28579 - 08/17/09 07:52 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: bluj666]
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"The rite of Black Mass in LeVay's religion as in most other Satanic religions is nothing more then a tool to aid the new practicer to confirm to themselves that they are now a satanist and shed themselves of past beleifs" Your documentation on this?

From The Satanic Bible: ""To the Satanist, the black mass, in its blaspheming of orthodox rites, is nothing more than a redundancy. The services of all established religions are actually parodies of old rituals performed by the worshippers of the earth and the flesh. In attempts to de-sexualize and de- humanize the Pagan beliefs, later men of spiritual faith whitewashed the honest meanings behind the rituals into the bland euphemisms now considered to be the "true mass". Even if
the Satanist were to spend each night performing a black mass, he would no more be performing a travesty than the devout churchgoer who unwittingly attends his own "black mass" - his spoof on the honest and emotionally-sound rites of Pagan antiquity.

Any ceremony considered a black mass must effectively shock and outrage, as this seems to be the measure of its success. In the Middle Ages, blaspheming the holy church was shocking. Now, however, the Church does not present the awesome image it did during the inquisition. The traditional black mass is no longer the outrageous spectacle to the dilettante or renegade priest that it once was. If the Satanist wishes to create a ritual to blaspheme an accepted institution, for the purpose of psychodrama, he is careful to choose one that is not in vogue to
parody. Thus, he is truly stepping on a sacred cow.

A black mass, today, would consist of the blaspheming of such "sacred" topics as Eastern mysticism, psychiatry, the psychedelic movement, ultra-liberalism, etc. Patriotism would be championed, drugs and their gurus would be defiled, acultural militants would be deified, and the decadence of ecclesiastical theologies might even be given a Satanic boost. "

From The Satanic Rituals - "The Black Mass is a valid Satanic ritual only if one feels the need to perform it."

"Honestly I think much of Antons works such as TSB, The satanic witch and Satanic ritual was writen back with LaVey beleived in a literal Satan and the true aspect of magick then later when he commercialized and changed the focus of the CoS he just took what he originally wrote and practiced and put it in with what he was recently trying to protray rather then just rewriting everything and felt no one would give it much thought. So when you see how he talks about it all being Pychodrama then him describing the elements of successful magick it was just a merger of the two different points of his life." Your proof of this, other than the ideas of others?

"Now if you are attempting a ritual such as what it sounds like the creater of this thread is doing, following what is said in the necronomicon would be adviced. I can't say much towards what he or she is doing because ive never read the necronomicon." This stands on its own.

"didnt the 11 statments use to be in the Satanic Bible. I could have sworn when i first read it some 5 years ago it had them in the book, but when i got a new copy a few months back they werent there." This stands on its own.

"I thought one of the major differences was that the FCS is a more theistic verson of LeVay's work, while the CoS was an atheistic approach. I could be wrong." You are.

Moreover, your postings are illiterate to the point of embarrassment. I know people tend to think that those residing in Tennessee are illiterate and intellectually challenged, but your postings do little more than to prove their worst instincts as founded on fact.

Look. I know you want to "fit in," and I know you want to be seen as somewhat of an experienced lad, but there's not a damned thing wrong with keeping your mouth shut and just reading. You might just learn something. The world revolves around much more than what snippets of agendized thought you can find in Wikis and so many websites produced by so many wannabes with graphics and the ability to write basic HTML.




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#28580 - 08/17/09 07:56 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Yep. That falls pretty much into the category of "DUH!!!"

If you're NOT adversarially engaged in a conflict with someone adversarially engaged with YOU, then you're either a victim waiting to happen or. as LaVey cited, "the spaniel that rolls upon its back when kicked."
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#28587 - 08/17/09 10:29 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: Jake999]
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That was the funniest shit I've seen in a long time. Seven daggers? In the shape of a cross? What self-respecting Satanist would use such obviously Christian symbolism? Thanks for posting that! I watched a lot of the others that were linked to it too, and they were equally entertaining.

(I have to say, though...DAMN! That hair!)

Mad props to Aquino for unmasking idiots. Stuff like that gives me warm fuzzies.

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#28588 - 08/17/09 10:34 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: ceruleansteel]
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I'm trying to figure out how you can use seven daggers and still have an equilateral... and asthetically pleasing... cross.
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#28591 - 08/17/09 11:26 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: Mr Chips]
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Five form the vertical and two form the cross from the second point of the vertical.

One is reminded of the SEVEN SACRED DAGGERS OF MEGIDDO from THE OMEN movie.
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#28594 - 08/17/09 11:43 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: Jake999]
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I think the guy making the charge is mentally ill. I understand Aquino was involved is psychological warfare operations in the military and knows a mentally unbalanced person when he sees one. Oprah represents all that is wrong with America. She is just as much a religion as Christianity is, just look at the look of ecstasy and her devoted female flock!I can remember when the whole nation believed that the McMartin school was the site of a secret, worldwide, Satanic operation for child molesters, who would fly Hollywood stars, like Tom Cruse, in to have sex with children!!!! Alas, most Americans believed it, proving once more that Ezra Pound was right when he said America was the worlds largest insane asylum. Most of the Satanic abuse, suppressed memories stuff, can be traced back to an obscure paper book entitled Michelle Remembers.

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#28596 - 08/17/09 11:48 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
Five form the vertical and two form the cross from the second point of the vertical.

One is reminded of the SEVEN SACRED DAGGERS OF MEGIDDO from THE OMEN movie.


Yeah... that's more like a sword, though isn't it? Six would have been more in line... four down the vertical with one on each side... plus six is the evil number.

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#28597 - 08/17/09 11:49 PM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
"The rite of Black Mass in LeVay's religion as in most other Satanic religions is nothing more then a tool to aid the new practicer to confirm to themselves that they are now a satanist and shed themselves of past beleifs" Your documentation on this?


Ok I will admit to being wrong about this. Sorry I confused the rite of "Making a Pact" and the "Black Mass". I also lumped the "Making a Pact" ritual of other groups into one concept, which is also a wrong on my part. I do acknowledge the two rituals are two totally seperate acts.


[qoute=jake999]"Honestly I think much of Antons works such as TSB, The satanic witch and Satanic ritual was writen back with LaVey beleived in a literal Satan and the true aspect of magick then later when he commercialized and changed the focus of the CoS he just took what he originally wrote and practiced and put it in with what he was recently trying to protray rather then just rewriting everything and felt no one would give it much thought. So when you see how he talks about it all being Pychodrama then him describing the elements of successful magick it was just a merger of the two different points of his life." Your proof of this, other than the ideas of others?[/quote]
Yes, I do base this off what individuals such as Dr. Quino have stated. I also base this off what I've read of LaVey's works. Not that I'm claiming anything along the lines of "its clear as day". I tend to read between the lines of what I read and find concepts of the material that may or may not be there. I just because of my study of peotry, art and religion believe that there is usually more to what we take in then we realize. Now, haveing said that I don't claim that Anton believed in a literal Satan as a fact, just from what I have read and heard believe to be a real possiablity. Is that really that outrageous of a thing? That at one point he believed in one thing then later on through his life experiences changed his mind?


"didnt the 11 statments use to be in the Satanic Bible. I could have sworn when i first read it some 5 years ago it had them in the book, but when i got a new copy a few months back they werent there." This stands on its own.
Jake basically what I was asking was "was I mistaken?" When I first read the Satanic Bible I was involved in alot of things I regret now, but I could swear that I saw a page with a list like that of the Nine Satanic Statments, only with the 11 Satanic sins.

[qoute=jake999]Moreover, your postings are illiterate to the point of embarrassment. I know people tend to think that those residing in Tennessee are illiterate and intellectually challenged, but your postings do little more than to prove their worst instincts as founded on fact.[/quote]
Not from Tennessee originally Jake, and I think illiterate is a bit of a stretch. I can read and understand what I've read. I will admit to taking up poor habits in typing and posting. I believe it or not did well in English and Literature and was fond of these subjects.

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#28601 - 08/18/09 12:00 AM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: bluj666]
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I don't give a rat's ass where the hell you are from. I'm not originally from Tennessee either.

If LAZINESS is your excuse for your posts, then it's not only pathetic, but inexcusable.
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#28606 - 08/18/09 12:23 AM Re: Aquino on Oprah [Re: bluj666]
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"I will admit to taking up poor habits in typing and posting."

This is indeed laziness. You are becoming little more than a troll. I would suggest you grow the fuck up.
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