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#28962 - 08/27/09 08:08 PM I get to watch somebody being put to death!
Samuel Hain Offline
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I can't wait! I had an uncle killed by an escaped convict and when they caught him he got the death penalty. You are allowed to have some many relatives of the victim watch the execution via the viewing room. Of course, I don;t believe in prisons. If they are that violent that need to be executed in the first place. Consequently I favor a vast expansion of the death penalty to cover more crimes than just murder. Responsibility for the responsible and Lex Talonis!
I mean come on! Lethal injection? Hell, my dad died of cancer and it was a far worst death than the criminal will receive.

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#28967 - 08/27/09 10:44 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Samuel Hain]
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If you ask me, and no one did, the death penalty is an easy escape for criminals. There is MUCH worse that we could and SHOULD be doing to them. Capital crimes deserve no less than the worst punishment imaginable. If I were attending an execution, I would be disappointed that a murderer was getting off with a simple pin-prick and a quick, painless drift into death.

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#28976 - 08/28/09 03:24 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Samuel Hain]
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 Originally Posted By: Samuel Hain
I can't wait! I had an uncle killed by an escaped convict and when they caught him he got the death penalty. You are allowed to have some many relatives of the victim watch the execution via the viewing room.



I am sure youre little pecker will be at least half stiff during the whole show.

 Originally Posted By: Samuel Hain
Of course, I don;t believe in prisons. If they are that violent that need to be executed in the first place. Consequently I favor a vast expansion of the death penalty to cover more crimes than just murder. Responsibility for the responsible and Lex Talonis!


You must be refering to Lex Luthor?
You know; the baldie who hates Superboy so much?


 Originally Posted By: Samuel Hain
I mean come on! Lethal injection? Hell, my dad died of cancer and it was a far worst death than the criminal will receive.


Lucky guy your dad. At least he was spared watching his son make a complete arse of himself.
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#28987 - 08/28/09 05:57 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Samuel Hain]
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1. How far do you think the death penalty should reach? Do you think people, who, as an example, rob banks (without causing physical harm to another person) should be put to death?

2. Do you think we will think you are "cool" because you get to see someone put to death? Are you hoping that we will envy you for getting the chance to see someone put to death?

If you really did suffer the tragedy you present here then I wish you the best of luck in finding the closure you (seem to) so desperately seek. I just wonder why you felt the need to inform us of the execution you are about to see.

I myself am a fan of the death penalty, and I think others here are too; it just seems to me like you are bragging. Unless you get to be the one to pull the switch or inject the Sodium Pentathol, Pancuronium Bromide or Potassium Chloride; I see no real reason to brag.

Even if you were the one about to inject one or more of those substances into the condemned I would wonder about your reasons for bragging.

I have watched people die, some of them "deserving" of their death, others just in the wrong place at the wrong time. None were something I would discuss with people as if it warranted me a pat on the back.
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#28996 - 08/28/09 11:54 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Meh. Perhaps we can turn this thread into something worth reading...

I like the death penalty, personally, because I'm a tightwad and it saves money. If expanded at all, it should only be for serial pedophiles or something like that because that is not something that you can "cure" or punish out of someone. Violent criminals deserve to have violent punishments, in my opinion.

Wouldn't it be nice, though, to simply throw the offender out in an arena gladiator-style and give the family of the victim their choice of weapons? I live in the land of the "Hangin' Judge", and I'm a big proponent of public executions. Make that shit real to the layman and perhaps he wont fuck up so often himself.

When I was very young, around the "tween" age, my boyfriend was brutally murdered by a serial child-killer. I was 21 before they finally executed the fucker who did it. I threw an execution party and toasted the guy who made him pay.

Although bragging makes you sound like an ass, I can understand the desire to get that eye for eye, even though it doesn't change a goddamned thing in the long run. Your relative is still dead, Mark is still dead, and my sweet minion Heather will still be dead when they catch the cunt who did her in.

But it doesn't stop a person from having that desire to see another human suffer for the fucked up things they have done. Humans are all a little twisted like that; it's part of our nature to have that morbid side. You're a dipshit only because of the way you worded your post. Aside from that, you are no different than anyone else in the world, especially now that Mother Theresa has bought the farm.

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#29240 - 09/03/09 11:16 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: ceruleansteel]
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I will go out on a limb and say personally, all things considered, I enjoy killing - particularly within the context of combat.

I am not sure I would find execution or assassination as fulfilling. I don't enjoy hunting.

I certainly find no joy in seeing people die or viewing dead people. My gut instinct is to move as far away from the dead as possible. I have seen quite enough death and I find the dead to be generally unpleasant and poor conversationalists.

In any event, how was the execution? Was it everything you hoped for? Details please.
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#29242 - 09/03/09 11:57 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Fist]
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Possibly if anybody deserves to be put to death it would be the couple that kidnapped an 11 year old girl and keep her sequestered for years in the back yard.It also shows how incompetent the local police were because they responded to complaints by neighbors that he had people living in his back yard and the cop merely questioned him about it and never once ventured to the back yard himself to see if the accusations were true.
Another case would be the gruesome , racially motivated, murder trail in Knoxville. This one has not got a lot of media play because the roles are reversed in that a gang of blacks went on an anti-white killing spree.

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#29314 - 09/05/09 08:22 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Samuel Hain]
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Yes, yes, all of that is true. However, I was hoping you could report on your own experience. Was the execution everything you hoped it would be?
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#29717 - 09/17/09 02:49 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Well i never seen someine die but i caused a death... Needless to say it was great when i got out of prison for manslaughter 2. But im all for the death penalty for rapists and child abusers... stupid people need to die so murder isnt all bad
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#29721 - 09/17/09 06:00 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: lefthanded]
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Again, more pointless bragging. You caused the death of another person. Good for you, I for one am sooooo impressed. If only we were all lucky enough to engage in reckless behavior that results in the death of another person.

I would think that would be considered incredibly stupid; do you still think stupid people need to die? I am pretty sure whatever it was you did that resulted in the death was pretty stupid.

But hey, I am sure "father Satan" was smiling upon you that day. ;\)
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#29816 - 09/18/09 10:37 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Fist: I have yet to see the execution. He is still in maximum security and has been since 1999. Lawyers are going through all his appeals. A death date has not been set yet by the governor.Incidentally, he was already serving life in prison , without parole, for the rape of murder of a UAPB cheerleader. He escaped from maximum security by hiding in a garbage can that is taken out of prison every day and emptied. He them ended up at my uncle's house, shot and killed him, threw him in a bayou, and stole his truck. He then went to Missouri and eventually ended up in a high speed chase by Arkansas and Missouri state troopers. He wrecked the truck, escaped unharmed, but not before hitting a pregnant women with her two children and killing all of them in a wreck.
We did sue the prison for negligence, but they have limited liability, we did get small a settlement. He escaped at 10:30 AM, but was not missed by prison authorities until 7:30 Pm, despite the fact numerous motorist called the prison and told them an inmate was walking down the side of the road, but they adamantly insisted all were present and accounted for.
Just one of the many reasons why I hate liberal egalitarian and its hypocritical, and notoriously inefficient, political system.

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#29818 - 09/18/09 11:05 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: lefthanded]
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Am I the only one who finds it strange tha someone who has done time for Man2 has a Slipknot quote as his signature? Hmm.. Anyways here' the poblem,lefty. You're attempting to apply relative morlity to the judicial system,don't work. If one dath not in self defense is awarded penalty of death,so are the rest.(of course excluded accidental, etc etc) I for one, cannot believe anyone who randomly on a msg board without being asked proudly proclaims that they killed someone and got away with it as truthful. To me it sounds like some juvenile listening to Marilyn Manson an cutting himself because his gf won't give him a handjob trying to play big boy. If not the case prove me wrong. And as for execution is cool boy; WOWEE you get to do something we can all do simply by renting faces of death congrats you're a fucking winner. If you're thrill is watching someone get a needle put in their skin and then falling asleep maybe you should do into the medical field,then you would be able to see it all the time and go home with wet dreams. In conclusion: fucking lame. Death is interested but seeing a corpse isn't such a big fucking deal,and watching someone die isn't such a grand experience either. I can't speak for the war vets, they're on a totally other level from myself,the civilian, but I can see their point of view. Yours Samhain,I cannot.
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#29857 - 09/20/09 12:16 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Iscariot]
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That's so cool OP, you get to watch someone die you must be the luckiest person alive. Can we be friends? Lets add each other on myspace and be buddies. I really need more friends with such a big e-peen as yours.

/sarcasm

As for the death penalty im not sure on where I stand. Part of me (morality) agrees that certain crimes (ie murder /rape of a child, mass murder like Columbine) should receive the death penalty. On the flip side of things my other half (heavily anarchistic) disagrees with the death penalty for the simple reason that why is it illegal for one to murder but perfectly fine for judiciary system to murder someone. Isn't murder, despite the reasoning whether lawful, religious or insanity, still essentially murder.

Double standard ftw!

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#29860 - 09/20/09 02:23 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: imawolfrawr]
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If someone murdered a person that I greatly cared about, then yes, I would very much like to be there for the execution.

I would want to look into its scared eyes, and watch him piss himself as they strap him in for that lethal injection. Better yet, I would want to see his eyes pop out as he was electrocuted in “Old Sparky.”

Would I brag about it? No...but I also wouldn’t hesitate to share the experience with anyone who was interested.

Luckily, no one that I cared about greatly or even just a little bit has been murdered, so I cannot completely relate how I would feel if it happened. Although I believe that I have some idea of what it would be like, since I am capable of feeling great love for people that I care about, and know what it is like to lose them to natural causes. It takes just a little bit of imagery to have a theory of what it would feel like to have a scumbag have a hand in their demise.

I for one believe in harsh revenge, if it is well deserved. Fuck “An eye for an eye. I want two arms, two legs, and maybe a set of balls for an eye. I also give myself the privilege of deciding what appropriate revenge is, or even forgiveness if I deem it. I don’t need anyone to validate my judgement.

I have been around a few people that died of natural causes. No, it did not give me pleasure in the sense that I was happy about what I saw. On the other hand, I am a curious being, and it was interesting to see. On some level, it made me quite comfortable in accepting the eventual death of my own life cycle. I saw absolutely no suffering or fear, during the final moments as they passed away what so ever. The suffering took place days, weeks and a few times even months before death occurred.

Luckily I was in the position to help ease the suffering by administering Morphine to ease the physical pain, and I made sure to turn them and hydrate them every chance that I had. It would have been quite unsettling for me, if I had to stand around without any power to ease the pain or their possible discomfort from laying in the same position for hours on end, while unable to even wet their own lips.

However, once someone dies then I do not feel that the body is sacred in any sense and that it shouldn’t be touched and examined by anyone who wishes to. Although I would respect the wishes of relatives if they stated or implied that they wanted the cadaver handled a certain way. Not so much out of some sacred unwritten rule but because I simply respect the property of others.

My point being, is that I don’t find someone’s curiosity about death, or a dead body at all repulsive, or in anyway wrong.
When I die, if someone wants to touch my body, open or close my eyes, or even cut me open simply to satisfy their curiosity or to learn something, they are more then welcome.

Even if I had no curiosity about death myself, I would have no objection if someone did and wanted to satisfy theirs.
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#29921 - 09/22/09 01:53 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: imawolfrawr]
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As for the death penalty im not sure on where I stand. Part of me (morality) agrees that certain crimes (ie murder /rape of a child, mass murder like Columbine) should receive the death penalty. On the flip side of things my other half (heavily anarchistic) disagrees with the death penalty for the simple reason that why is it illegal for one to murder but perfectly fine for judiciary system to murder someone. Isn't murder, despite the reasoning whether lawful, religious or insanity, still essentially murder.

Double standard ftw!


So obviously you haven't read or understood The Satanic Bible or the other books? You also have no concept of Lex Talionis or Might is Right. I think you might be at the wrong site right now. Might I suggest some further reading and inner reflection to see if you are really of Satanic nature?
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#29941 - 09/22/09 11:02 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
So obviously you haven't read or understood The Satanic Bible or the other books? You also have no concept of Lex Talionis or Might is Right. I think you might be at the wrong site right now. Might I suggest some further reading and inner reflection to see if you are really of Satanic nature?


No I haven't had a chance to read Might is Right yet but it's on my list, but correct me if I'm wrong here. If Might is Right advocates survival of the fittest, and Lex Talionis advocates an "eye for an eye" doesn't that mean that the two contradict themselves. To me that's what it appears like. If only the strong survive that means that they shouldn't be forced into punishment for their actions since they were stronger than said person which would mean that their actions are completely justified since they survived therefore they shouldn't receive any reprimand (ie eye for an eye).

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#29952 - 09/22/09 06:55 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: imawolfrawr]
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Ahh, young grasshopper, the proverbial 'eye' only comes out to the hand capable of taking it.

You must remember that 'might' comes in many forms, and not all of them are physical in nature.


;\)
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#30078 - 09/26/09 10:17 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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The Death Penalty needs to be changed. Well, not the Death part, just the proceedings around it. I am for the Death Penalty and feel the need for an overhaul.

Murder, Treason, Capital Drug Trafficking, Sexual Assault On Children, and Terrorism are the major factors to seek the Death Penalty. There are other gross circumstances where the Death Penalty would be sought, but that’s for lawyers to argue, and I am not an authority on law or our legal system.

One of the major glitches in the system is the allowance for appeal after appeal making the Death Penalty up to 5 times more costly than simply housing a Criminal for life without parole. Our Judicial System fails us in the upholding of rights allowed to a criminal under such proceedings. Yes, I went there. I feel that once a criminal is found guilty of any of the above crimes, they’re no longer afforded any rights that waste our tax payers money. They should have all of their rights stripped from them and be executed within a month’s time. This would not only cut down on the cost on the legal system and appeals, but would bring closure to the families who have lost a significant other.

The carrying out of the Death penalty should also be TELEVISED. Make it a Pay-per-View channel if you need to, but by all means get as much MONEY out of it as possible to again compensate those who have lost someone in their crimes. Some of the biggest problems with families getting closure is the delay for 10 to 20 years in legal appeals. I have never had a family member murdered but I am sure those who have would rather have the Criminal dealt with in a swift and timely manner as opposed to 20 years down the road.

George Carlin had suggested to fence off a state and throw them all in the ring and televise it, like gladiators fighting to stay alive. This would be amusing, but not as affective as the family being able to execute those who did the crime.
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#30627 - 10/19/09 10:50 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Asmedious]
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each murder out there deserve the worest penalty he could get!
and i am sorry to hear about your uncle and dad...sad story..
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#30632 - 10/19/09 01:37 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Nick-Aotmzgin]
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each murder out there deserve the worest penalty he could get!
and i am sorry to hear about your uncle and dad...sad story..

Each grammar nazi and person who doesn't add some depth to a discussion but simply say some moral nonsense without thinking about it first, should also get the worst penalty they can get...

If I take your argument to the extreme (and I assume you meant murderer) then every soldier alive should get a death penalty...
And also, what with the case when someone kills someone out of defense?
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#30663 - 10/21/09 08:21 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Dimitri]
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i dont know clown face...

One more one liner, and you are out!
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Edited by Woland (10/21/09 08:31 AM)
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#32653 - 12/08/09 01:39 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Iscariot]
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Ah arent personal attacks on a message board great? I got man2 for someone breaking into my house and shooting him. As for the
"To me it sounds like some juvenile listening to Marilyn Manson an cutting himself because his gf won't give him a handjob trying to play big boy" thats cute. And idiotic. And baseless. So before you start attacking someone for something they said about a personal experience get your shit right?
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#43897 - 10/29/10 09:23 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: lefthanded]
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I find watching live executions very distressing and would never be excited to watch one no matter who the condemned was. The only execution I could watch contently was Saddam Hussein's. However I totally agree with the death penalty and think it should be brought back here where I live. Countless times I have seen footage of prisoners laughing and enjoying prision as they watch films and play xboxs. If I ever find myself out of pocket and living on the streets I know where I want to go, and as a homosexual it ticks all the boxes!
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#43903 - 10/29/10 03:44 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: TheSerpent]
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 Originally Posted By: TheSerpent
I find watching live executions very distressing and would never be excited to watch one no matter who the condemned was. The only execution I could watch contently was Saddam Hussein's.

Contradict yourself much? So you could watch content while Saddam was hanged I ask why, was it because it wasn’t live or did Saddam do something to you or your family personally that you needed to see him dead?

 Originally Posted By: TheSerpent
However I totally agree with the death penalty and think it should be brought back here where I live. Countless times I have seen footage of prisoners laughing and enjoying prision as they watch films and play xboxs.

So you think prison is a vacation, simply a place to relax and play some games maybe catch up or your beauty sleep? These happy prisoners of which you speak were they on death row by chance? So you agree with the death penalty based on your limited view of life in prison. Interesting really…

 Originally Posted By: TheSerpent
If I ever find myself out of pocket and living on the streets I know where I want to go, and as a homosexual it ticks all the boxes!

If I were homeless the last place I think I would need to be is prison. Fuck man even homeless you have the freedom to try to get back on track. See that’s the problem with some gay people, they don’t know how or when to flaunt it. Sorry but I think you just waved your gay flag to somehow flaunt you’re gay, like its cool or something. It really adds nothing here except to make me believe if you were in prison you would think it a sausage fest. The reality of it is more like you would be some guys bitch and he would pimp your ass out.

Still sound like it checks all the boxes?

Good luck on your path

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#43942 - 10/31/10 11:33 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: ta2zz]
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Well I didnt feel that his execution was as graphic as some others it seemed very quick and I turned the volume off on it as I find that its mainly the sound that distresses me. I totally believe that prison is like a vacation maybe not where you live but certainly here it is, I watched a documentary about The Maze prison, and a few of the prisoners sayed it was the best time of their lives, they said they got everything they wanted! Im sorry you dont like me flaunting my flag but it wouldnt be me if I didnt, so im sorry but im not going to be somebody im not!
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#43953 - 11/01/10 03:04 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: TheSerpent]
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Shit, I'm going to get beat to death over this...

Why Saddam Hussein's hanging was okay? What did he do, that's different from many other countries dictators, or just common policy?

I think it was fucked up. But I think the electrocution of Ted Bundy was a terrible thing as well. But I have my reasons for thinking that...

Saddam Hussein? Why not go into every country that has supposed WMD and hang their leaders then? Let's fuck up the Egyptians... they've been so silent... How about those damn people from Nigeria? Or how about North Korea? Oh wait, they actually might have them... don't want to piss them off. Let's be diplomatic.

Or how about Iran? Nope. They can make 'em too. Saddam was such a threat... I mean, next to those dudes... good thing we "Hanged him"... otherwise he would have spread his... what?

I never understood this... nor do I understand how "Taliban" equals Al Quaeda... but we don't really fucking care. Blow up a country, hang a dude... we feel happy.

For you "The Serpent"... yeah, prison... I think your idea, like the rest, is totally disillusioned.

good luck with that.
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#44029 - 11/07/10 03:55 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: daevid777]
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 Originally Posted By: daevid777
Saddam Hussein? Why not go into every country that has supposed WMD and hang their leaders then? Let's fuck up the Egyptians... they've been so silent... How about those damn people from Nigeria? Or how about North Korea? Oh wait, they actually might have them... don't want to piss them off. Let's be diplomatic.


That's the spirit. \:\/

How about executing political figures responsible for a groundless war? If, as the evidence suggests, thousands have been killed in the persuit of financial and imperialist agendas, shouldn't the ringleaders be drawn and quatered?

All joking aside, capital punishment is a sticky business. The matter of guilt is frequently suspect: it is not uncommon for a social leper to be convicted as a matter of convenience.

Lethal injection is generally administered by unskilled prison staff. If not rigged correctly - missed veins, etc, the prisoner may suffer an excruciating death, but be unable to communicate due to paralysis - which would be the final insult to someone wrongly convicted.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has seen the documentary "Executions". I know it's not the same as face to face, but without exception every death seemed completely lacklustre - a beheading; an AK47 at point blank: seven billion scratch one. Seven billion scratch two. A dozen. Ten thousand. Vaguely interesting, but hardly exciting.

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#44037 - 11/07/10 06:23 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Harvey]
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Wars happen, nothing is going to stop them.

Its all the same story, someone wants something and is willing to kill to get it.

Lethal injections are done by a Doctor who may be on the prison staff. Any old random staff member can not do this. Before someone is put to death, there are years and years of appeals, court visits, and other assorted BS.

Death is death. I guess why it all seems so lackluster to you is because you have been oversaturated with it. Unless it happens right in front of you, you can't get a boner over someone dying.

Which raises a question, why is watching someone die not thought of as sick and gruesome anymore?

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#44038 - 11/07/10 07:58 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: TheSerpent]
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I can see most everything said went over your head…

 Originally Posted By: TheSerpent
Well I didnt feel that his execution was as graphic as some others it seemed very quick and I turned the volume off on it as I find that its mainly the sound that distresses me.

Saddam being hanged was nothing more than the end to a modern day witch-hunt. He was demonized for acts he supposedly committed against non-Americans. Our governments have their own skeletons in the closet.

The next hunt could just as easily be against Gay Satanists.

 Originally Posted By: TheSerpent
I totally believe that prison is like a vacation maybe not where you live but certainly here it is, I watched a documentary about The Maze prison, and a few of the prisoners sayed it was the best time of their lives, they said they got everything they wanted!

You are young still perhaps you cannot see how basing your opinion on one TV show and what a few people said on that show is ignorant. A simple search on The Maze shows much more. Like the guys dying from hunger strikes, hell of a place if your dying to get out eh?

 Originally Posted By: TheSerpent
Im sorry you dont like me flaunting my flag but it wouldnt be me if I didnt, so im sorry but im not going to be somebody im not!

Be whatever it is you like to be, I was simply pointing out your behavior was misplaced. None of us care you are a disillusioned male slut after all.

Don’t believe everything you see on TV.

~T~

PS. I'm is a contraction of I am, as such it should be capitalized the same as your I when speaking of oneself.
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#44039 - 11/07/10 08:03 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: daevid777]
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 Originally Posted By: daevid777
I think it was fucked up. But I think the electrocution of Ted Bundy was a terrible thing as well. But I have my reasons for thinking that...

I am interested in this. I also feel Saddam was given a bum deal for many of the same reasons you voice, but Ted Bundy? If you are not willing to share more on this here please shoot me a PM.

Later

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#44040 - 11/07/10 08:12 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Which raises a question, why is watching someone die not thought of as sick and gruesome anymore?

My belief is we are living in more and more of a fantasy world not less. Most of these kids have died so many times in video games they think they will simply respawn and have lost touch with reality. This is pitiful in a time when information is at your fingertips in your living room.

Look at those who after the movie Avatar talked about killing themselves in hopes of being reborn in a world like the movie. The basis of reality is being lost. If TV really does rot your brain perhaps the computer liquefies it even faster.

I’m done trying to understand the lessers around me. Unless it amuses me it is really just a waste of time.

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#44043 - 11/08/10 03:43 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Morgan]
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Hello Morgan

I have no objection to war. Business is business. I merely intended to highlight certain assumptions re: Iraq, Afghanistan and old mate Saddam.

Lethal Injection procedures vary by state, but Wiki (Excuse the source - I am pressed for time) suggests that:

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Typically a technician trained in venipuncture inserts the needle, while a second technician, who is usually a member of the prison staff, orders, prepares, and loads the drugs into the lethal injection syringes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection

And from Emmet vs. Johnson:

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The IV team receives training in the insertion and maintenance of IV lines from a physician licensed to practice medicine by the Virginia Board of Medicine.   At least two members of the IV team must “have received training as military corpsmen, cardiac emergency technicians, or should receive on-the-job training from a physician in receiving and dispensing medications, to include starting and administering IV fluids.”


http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-4th-circuit/1398326.html

I am a tremendous fan of Boston Legal. The episodes "Death Be Not Proud" and "Kill, Baby, Kill" are quite relevant here.

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Which raises a question, why is watching someone die not thought of as sick and gruesome anymore?


Voyeurism. Big Brother, online stalking. It's so mainstream nowadays.

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#44057 - 11/09/10 02:43 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz[/quote

My belief is we are living in more and more of a fantasy world not less. Most of these kids have died so many times in video games they think they will simply respawn and have lost touch with reality. This is pitiful in a time when information is at your fingertips in your living room.

Look at those who after the movie Avatar talked about killing themselves in hopes of being reborn in a world like the movie. The basis of reality is being lost. If TV really does rot your brain perhaps the computer liquefies it even faster.


Just to go off topic for a minute:

The concept of having a better life when you die has been around for literally thousands of years. Blaming it on video games or movies is just modern conservative BS. It reminds me of the time in the '80's when kids were killing themselves and parents were blaming it on heavy metal music. The entertaiment industry has always been used as a scapegoat for the problems in society because people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

The idea of suicide is already in a person's head regardless of what they're exposed to. They could read the ingredients in a Crackerjack box and have thoughts of suicide. My point of view is, if someone wants to kill themselves; Good. Fuck 'em. I don't lose any sleep over it.

*On a side note: Television and the internet are two of the best inventions of the 20th century.

Ok. Sorry about the rant.

Back on topic \:\)
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#44058 - 11/09/10 02:48 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Harvey]
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The death penalty is a little light. They should work in prison to pay for their stay there, to compensate the victims/families of victims, and any extra money from their work can be used to help law enforcement if there is any.
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#44068 - 11/10/10 01:56 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Knievel74]
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 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
The concept of having a better life when you die has been around for literally thousands of years.

I am aware of this thank you. The concept of a better life after death has been the basis of many religions as it is a great control for the slave population as well.

I was talking about this ease of seeing death. I never put blame totally on video games specifically I only brought it up as an example. We humans only have to look at our own childhoods to see that we love fantasy. We only need look around us to see some cannot lose this world of make believe and see reality.

 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
Blaming it on video games or movies is just modern conservative BS.

Movies and video games do not cause violence but they have exposed us all too many different forms in a way never before in human history. In rome when you went to a good Christian lion feeding while you saw the violence you also saw the reality of the Christian in pieces not ever getting back up. Video games with their respawn as I have mentioned have contributed to the fantasy of death not being that big of a deal. I also sure seeing an actor die on screen to only come back as a different character in another movie adds to this equation.

 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
It reminds me of the time in the '80's when kids were killing themselves and parents were blaming it on heavy metal music. The entertaiment industry has always been used as a scapegoat for the problems in society because people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

Parents looking to point a finger at anything but their own bad parenting is nothing but typical human nature. Again my finger is firmly pointed at humanity and human nature, but modern technology increasing this belief of fantasy or inability to let fantasy go is not getting a free ride from me.

 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
My point of view is, if someone wants to kill themselves; Good. Fuck 'em. I don't lose any sleep over it.

Mmm no sweat off my balls either.

 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
*On a side note: Television and the internet are two of the best inventions of the 20th century.

This doesn’t change the fact that we are still living through the impact such things have made on society and as such we still do not truly understand the impact of it all.

Life is one big lesson till you die.

And the save to stay on topic:
Perhaps public executions would bring back some of the reality of death to the young-ins. A bloody body left after death by firing squad or a hung man turning grey and purple. Things that happen on TV are to easily grouped with fantasy.

Hell even lethal injection is too easy, like putting your dog to sleep.

Remember its not if you win or lose, its all how many people you have touched and changed along the way.

Peace

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#44156 - 11/17/10 02:35 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
We only need look around us to see some cannot lose this world of make believe and see reality.


Ok. I agree that some people live in a fantasy world. But where's your proof that it's a result of television or video games?

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Video games with their respawn as I have mentioned have contributed to the fantasy of death not being that big of a deal. I also sure seeing an actor die on screen to only come back as a different character in another movie adds to this equation.


Again, where's your proof? Movies have been around for roughly 100 years. TV for around 60 and video games for 30. I've never read evidence of actors or digital characters who've died and have come back as a new character change the way society looks at death. Remember, before the invention of video games and television, there were stage plays. And before that, the ballet and opera, where characters died all the time and came back at the end of the performance to take their bows.


 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
but modern technology increasing this belief of fantasy or inability to let fantasy go is not getting a free ride from me.


Ok. But again, can you provide hard evidence that modern technology is to blame for the increase of not letting go of fantasy? Just because the world of fantasy is at our fingertips doesn't prove that society takes death less seriously.


 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
This doesn’t change the fact that we are still living through the impact such things have made on society and as such we still do not truly understand the impact of it all.


Really? TV has been around for roughly 60 years and we still don't understand the impact of it?

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Things that happen on TV are to easily grouped with fantasy.


All of the claims you've made so far in regards to the internet or tv having an impact on the way society views death and fantasy are completely unsubstantial.
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#44278 - 11/20/10 02:11 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Knievel74]
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Only deranged and mentally insane people actually act out in real life what they see in video games, film or TV. Luckily enough, such deranged and metally ill individuals are more the exception than the norm. Sane people (and that includes children) know the difference between fantasy/fiction and reality.

Penn and Teller once demonstrated this in a "Bullshit!" episode about "violent" video games. They let a 10-year old who loved to play violent video games fire a real rifle. The kid did not turn into a violent killer. Funnily enough, he cried because he was startled by the recoil and the noise. And guess what, that kid knew firing a real rifle would be different than firing weapons in Halo before he got to fire the real thing.

Which gets me to another funny dichotomy I tend to see in places like the U.S. of A. Somehow, violence on TV is okay, but a naked breast will corrupt the minds of the children... Funny, that.
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#50242 - 03/01/11 06:41 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: fakepropht]
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The death penalty is one of the things in this world that disgust me the most. Why? because it's cowardly and just has a filthy weakness about the whole thing. If somebody attacks you or your family the revenge ought to be down to those involved, a bestial beheading from mob justice is not good enough, that's stealing the revenge too. It has to be personal revenge. Not done in some flaccid manner by some solemn eyed stranger pulling a lever thinking he's humane.

Say if my brother was murdered and some strange people of the law executed the perpetrator and stole my revenge, I'd live my whole life shamed and enraged, I'd either have to mutilate the perpetrators body in front of his family/ police or I'd have to at least make the perpetrators family's lives a life of terror and abuse for compensatory satisfaction so I could wake up in the morning with motivation.

You know what I'm saying , it's natural. The law is something that cowards hide behind. Take the laws away and watch all the petty criminals hide in their homes because they can't push their luck. If a man robs an old lady he'll get a year in jail (if he gets caught). Make it legal to curb stomp a mugger. If his mates are on to him about what he did, they ought to drag him out in the street and curb stomp him. The law prevents natural honour and justice. See my logic?


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#50244 - 03/01/11 07:42 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
It has to be personal revenge. Not done in some flaccid manner by some solemn eyed stranger pulling a lever thinking he's humane.


The humaneness (or lack thereof) is a separate issue - the greater point is that the stranger is an agent of the state and the law.

 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
Say if my brother was murdered and some strange people of the law executed the perpetrator and stole my revenge, I'd live my whole life shamed and enraged, I'd either have to mutilate the perpetrators body in front of his family/ police or I'd have to at least make the perpetrators family's lives a life of terror and abuse for compensatory satisfaction so I could wake up in the morning with motivation.


This is the whole motivation behind the concept of "an eye for an eye" - restraint to equal justice. If it's OK for you to extend the responsibility of the actions of that perpetrator to his family, why, then they can do the same towards your family, yes?

"An eye for an eye" means the punishment should fit the crime - excess revenge is bad for society.

 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
Take the laws away and watch all the petty criminals hide in their homes because they can't push their luck.


No, take the laws away and you don't get "homes" - a good portion of society and civilization goes away without laws.

 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
If a man robs an old lady he'll get a year in jail (if he gets caught). Make it legal to curb stomp a mugger. If his mates are on to him about what he did, they ought to drag him out in the street and curb stomp him. The law prevents natural honour and justice. See my logic?


I think your logic is flawed, though I appreciate the desire behind it. If you make it legal to curb-stomp a mugger, allowing people to take the law into their own hands, then the law becomes subjective, and subject to personal whim. Gangs would immediately seize control, there being no deterrent and no consequences - all victims would just be claimed to have been mugging someone.

Now you might argue this is desirable, but that's a different topic. The main point is that you cannot make a fundamental change in a system without fundamentally changing the way that system operates.

Civilization currently defines the law as objective, with no one above the law, in the interest of the greatest good. (Yes, there are loopholes and inconsistencies, but again that's a different topic.) Since most people benefit from that, most people want that.
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#50250 - 03/01/11 08:28 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Autodidact]
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 Originally Posted By: Autodidact
No, take the laws away and you don't get "homes" - a good portion of society and civilization goes away without laws.


At least, that's what our statist masters want us to think. You should ask Diavolo if his quality of life has fallen off the earth in the last few months. Id wager it hasn't \:\)

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Gangs would immediately seize control, there being no deterrent and no consequences

In a society that hasn't been forcibly declawed and the balance of force monopolized by a State entity, sure..but in this hypothetical that entity is removed. In an armed society where people are free to protect themselves , their own, and their communities, not so much. I would wager the 'gang' problem would have no soil in which to take root.

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Civilization currently defines the law as objective, with no one above the law, in the interest of the greatest good. (Yes, there are loopholes and inconsistencies, but again that's a different topic.) Since most people benefit from that, most people want that.

Greater good is a slave concept. Another meme to keep you marching in a straight line like a good little worker bee \:\)

It isn't that people want what is effectively no different from a criminal gang to protect our rights and freedoms (as assigned by that very same entity), its that people desire security..and have been trained that the state is the only thing capable of giving it to them. I for one have not drank that particular kool-aid.
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#50256 - 03/01/11 11:51 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
At least, that's what our statist masters want us to think. You should ask Diavolo if his quality of life has fallen off the earth in the last few months. Id wager it hasn't \:\)


Although many think we are without a government, we are not. It just implies that besides those elected and trying to form a government, we also have those who "were" the government still running normal affairs. Anarchy it is not, quite the contrary.

When removing the Law, and all Statist control systems, the one thing we don't remove is Will to Power and this very Will to Power will be able to unleash itself to its full potential; including the short-cut through violence. As such, it will quickly install State and Law again.

Anarchists will be served as dinner, unless they team up, form the to function required hierarchies and seize control in quite the same manner, their opposition does.

Those that remain "pure" anarchists will quickly prove there is free lunch after all. ;\)

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#50271 - 03/01/11 01:34 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
 Originally Posted By: Autodidact
No, take the laws away and you don't get "homes" - a good portion of society and civilization goes away without laws.


At least, that's what our statist masters want us to think.


That's what most people think, although, to be clear, perhaps I should have said "the current version of modern first-world society and civiliztion ...".

You said yourself "people desire security". In my world, not everyone is an autotheist - most are not. Society is built of "most of them", and they need a framework, even a crappy one.

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Gangs would immediately seize control, [...]

[...]In an armed society where people are free to protect themselves , their own, and their communities, not so much. I would wager the 'gang' problem would have no soil in which to take root.


(I'm not sure I'm parsing you correctly. If I understand what you're saying, you're asserting that a well-armed population would continue to function just fine without any laws or government.)

Might makes right. It could work for a little while, but sooner or later someone will take control. The soil is in most human's desire for a stable and secure society - regardless of how it's established - or in their desire to rule over others. We'd see either a reestablishment of a similar society governed by laws, or a despotism, also governed by laws (just not the same laws).


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Greater good is a slave concept.


It is, nevertheless, what most people want, and a core concept of the system most of us are part of now.
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#50292 - 03/01/11 08:18 PM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: Autodidact]
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 Originally Posted By: Autodidact
 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
It has to be personal revenge. Not done in some flaccid manner by some solemn eyed stranger pulling a lever thinking he's humane.


The humaneness (or lack thereof) is a separate issue - the greater point is that the stranger is an agent of the state and the law.

 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
Say if my brother was murdered and some strange people of the law executed the perpetrator and stole my revenge, I'd live my whole life shamed and enraged, I'd either have to mutilate the perpetrators body in front of his family/ police or I'd have to at least make the perpetrators family's lives a life of terror and abuse for compensatory satisfaction so I could wake up in the morning with motivation.


This is the whole motivation behind the concept of "an eye for an eye" - restraint to equal justice. If it's OK for you to extend the responsibility of the actions of that perpetrator to his family, why, then they can do the same towards your family, yes?

"An eye for an eye" means the punishment should fit the crime - excess revenge is bad for society.

 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
Take the laws away and watch all the petty criminals hide in their homes because they can't push their luck.


No, take the laws away and you don't get "homes" - a good portion of society and civilization goes away without laws.

 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
If a man robs an old lady he'll get a year in jail (if he gets caught). Make it legal to curb stomp a mugger. If his mates are on to him about what he did, they ought to drag him out in the street and curb stomp him. The law prevents natural honour and justice. See my logic?


I think your logic is flawed, though I appreciate the desire behind it. If you make it legal to curb-stomp a mugger, allowing people to take the law into their own hands, then the law becomes subjective, and subject to personal whim. Gangs would immediately seize control, there being no deterrent and no consequences - all victims would just be claimed to have been mugging someone.

Now you might argue this is desirable, but that's a different topic. The main point is that you cannot make a fundamental change in a system without fundamentally changing the way that system operates.

Civilization currently defines the law as objective, with no one above the law, in the interest of the greatest good. (Yes, there are loopholes and inconsistencies, but again that's a different topic.) Since most people benefit from that, most people want that.



Yea I wouldn't really kill the whole family to get revenge, I just get a lot of adrenaline and have the drive to do a lot of damage to one person and literally anything that's an obstacle is just that, an obstacle in the way of my target. I didn't mean what I said about doing the whole family (unless they are involved of course), I just become ruthless, black state of mind and heart. However my more civil viewpoint, whatever, is below.

My logic is flawed because Nature is disorder and man's nature is simply part of this broken rhythm, dynamic and not any rigid form of stasis to do with a comforting society. There is no ethos or moral code except nature, a wolf is noble, a lion is noble, a man is noble, the unnatural who are distanced from nature and their instincts are inherently weak and have no natural drives. What does this mean? Well the dregs/ vermin will be defined by their deeds and behaviours, who lacks empathy and the naturalistic altruism to protect women and children is a dreg which nature has turned her face from and forsaken.

They ought to be ripped to pieces for invading the pack/ tribe. The weak and strong are constantly something in flux depending on the circumstance, if you think you are always ultimately strong this is ego and something illusory. Rather we ought to realise that nature applies to man and man ought to be as cruel as nature. Do you see a pack of wolves being tolerant and moderate towards an invader in eye for an eye mentality? Honourable dualing is something different and I'm all up for a noble fist fight but we don't live in those times, we have twitchy vermin running around with blades. I simply wear steel toe boots and reckon a good solid kicking is enough, plus I just like this look.

The unnatural dregs which use unnatural systems to confine us and limit us are making it ideal for those like them in society to prosper in pathetic and petty gain, leeching of others and doing depraved things only getting rewarded by a jail sentence safe away from revenge. A Classical European society would be idyllic where honourable people could prosper.

I may be misanthropic but I see the majority of people are natural with natural feelings and motivations, even if they may be composed of some physically weak individuals like females, together they can still combine to fuck up some unnatural dregs of nature like women abusers or child killers. The males in a community ought to bond together and smash the fuck out of those packs of petty opportunists, go raiding child abusers and hang them in the streets, and all sorts of scum which hide behind the over protective law. Whatever happened to the right to issue a challenge by honourable duelling with deadly weapons all legal with no prison term?

It's built into us to feel the urge to destroy that which is unnatural. Unnatural meaning weak, weak meaning faulty, depraved, that with low male drives, lack of empathy, you know, the shit people who do depraved things to their women and kids behind closed doors and you know who they are you just can't do anything about it because the law calls it a domestic dispute. Then you get adverts on the internet saying 'give us your money so we can stop child/ women abuse', Fuck that, give me a hammer and a few mins with the vermin. But that's illegal isn't it.

Eye for an eye is bollocks, destroy the scum I say. If you are noble in nature then you will respect your own species, care and protect women and children, and really only disagree over who gets the prey, the scum, the dirty fucks who hide behind society. If you want to be a twitchy druggie or other vermin that's fine by me just don't make eye contact or try and talk to me.

Although none of this will be employed into society, this is how I personally work. My whole family is respectful.

Only the noble/ natural will inherit the Earth, let the cast away scraps of society be destroyed. Defiance is a sign of strength, and strength is our human nature this is why we are individuals and not religious slaves nor slaves to societal peer pressure etc. Agriculture and the materialistic paradigm of western culture is the result of us no longer living in a nomadic tribal society. A Classical European or Nationalist society would be idyllic. People in close knit communities working like a harmonious entity, any foreign viruses would be flushed out my the natural immune system.

I will remain in my castle and watch the world crumble. I only emerge to greet likened fellows and noble females.
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#51134 - 03/17/11 12:17 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: fakepropht]
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I support the death penalty but not in its current form, I think this should be a much faster and public process. Once someone is convicted and sentenced to death it would happen the following morning via guillotine or hanging...or hell even the good ol' axe. this would probably and unfortunately net some innocent people but it would save tax payers money and might even cull back some of the crimes commited. maybe the local pedophile would think about having his head cut off in the town square before he attacked a child. I support a wide array of candidates for the death penalty : Child murderers/rapists, Murderers (of the non self defense category, which would need proven.), Drug Dealers (Heroin, Meth... the really hard and lethal stuff and they should be killed by their own poisons.) and anyone who gets "life without the possibility of parole" (I mean isn't that just a suspended death sentence.). I also think that if a mother or father has their child taken by the hands of scum they should be given the chance to "pull the switch".
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#51138 - 03/17/11 12:56 AM Re: I get to watch somebody being put to death! [Re: bremloc]
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Blackstone's formulation: “Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”.

The law, as with any human endeavor, is far too prone to error, abuse, corruption, and incompetence. In my opinion, death as means of penalty is too great a power to allow The State. The “Innocence Project”, as well as Illinois’ recent ending of capital punishment demonstrate the serious flaws of the death penalty. It’s all-too-easy to clamor for “eye for an eye” justice (at the hands of The State) and swift & brutal punishment -- until it’s someone you care for and value, or even yourself that’s being wrongly accused, convicted, and sentenced to death. It’s a trite assertion, but as with most cliches, there’s a core of truth in the claim that, “where there’s life, there’s hope.” A wrongly convicted individual can at least be eventually acquitted and freed in some instances, particularly as forensic sciences become evermore accurate, but an executed prisoner is dead forever. And I’m not concerned with “saving tax payers money”; the “squares” and the “citizens” can cough up the cash, if it ultimately benefits me or those I care for.

Study after study demonstrates that fear of the death penalty is rarely a deterrent in the minds of serious criminals, or those who commit lethal violence in “the heat of the moment”. But all this aside, I’m not decrying personal vengeance at the hands of one who feels he has been unforgivably wronged, as in the case of another killing his loved one, or invading his home -- I just don’t advocate handing that authority over to the government.

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