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#37571 - 04/13/10 02:16 PM Re: Proxemic Magic [Re: Morgan]
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i where a lot of black and a black punisher sweater.
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#37575 - 04/13/10 04:05 PM Re: Proxemic Magic [Re: Morgan]
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nope i just wear alot of black.
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#37577 - 04/13/10 05:41 PM The Satanic Muse [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Art and beauty surrounds the world.
Fight for a world that will no longer criticize anyone for their difference in belief, morals, and even diversity in that person’s choice in sexual orientation.
Why choose to fight for a culture that has the need to dictate a person’s actions, once again sexual orientation, to go as far as even trying to tell its followers what to eat on a certain day.
Were we not as humans given the freedom to choose our faiths?
Were we not as humans given the freedom to choose our own spouse?
Were we not as humans given the freedom to take life or even choose to save a life?
Were we not given the choice to be able to give life through the miracle of reproduction?
Such god like power lies within grasp, infinitely taping into our inner god, we have been given such godlike responsibilities.
The reality is that humans are gods of the earth; the planet is in the shape it’s in because of our choices as humans, not some devil in which we can pass the blame off to, or in some god of good in which we could thank for our triumphs.
We have only ourselves and each other to thank and blame.

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#37582 - 04/13/10 10:34 PM Re: The Satanic Muse [Re: the earthly duck]
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"Fight for a world that will no longer criticize anyone for their difference in belief, morals, and even diversity in that person’s choice in sexual orientation". (the earthly duck)

Well, excuse me but I want no part of a world that regards criticism as unacceptable. I believe I have an absolute right to inform myself of what is going on around me and criticize it as much and as thoroughly as I wish. I personally find the Westboro Baptist Church's abuse of small children by making them carry homophobic placards at dead soldiers' funerals morally abhorrent and would be quite happy to tell them so, if it were not such a waste of time and energy. I dislike a lot of other human choices, too - cruelty to animals, drunk driving and stupidity being just a few. I suspect that the majority of other posters here would not welcome a world where we are all supposed to love one another without exception, too otherwise they would hardly define as Satanists.
Incidentally, how can sexual orientation be a "choice"? To act upon a sexual desire necessarily involves choice but surely an orientation is just that.
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#37587 - 04/14/10 01:18 AM Re: The Satanic Muse [Re: felixgarnet]
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@Felix,
not to detract from the main theme of this thread too much, but I was arguing with my theist friends this weekend and I do believe you have quite summed up the difference between people of moderate religious belief who maintain that faith is harmless and strong atheists who believe theism should be done away with and are not afraid to say it when asked-
"Fight for a world that will no longer criticize anyone for their difference in belief" vs.
"I want no part of a world that regards criticism as unacceptable. I believe I have an absolute right to inform myself of what is going on around me and criticize it as much and as thoroughly as I wish."

Thank you. In the wake of such unabashed ignorance, I find solace in your statement here as well as Ayn Rand's, "The Truth is not for all Men, but only for those who seek it." Threw that one in the high school yearbook.
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#37605 - 04/14/10 09:01 PM Re: Proxemic Magic [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Yes I agree, let’s return to the original purpose of this thread.

I wanted to sum up Dr. Aquino’s article and make some comments and then briefly add something of my own to enlarge the consequences of this thread.

There are a number of points to be initially digested from the article:

• The “miraculous” effects of obscure (but yet objectively valid) aspects or principles of science may be regarded as magic by ignorant people.

• “Magic” or “Magick,” on the other hand, which is based on mysticism or superstition, is objectively useless unless the target is aware of the magical working and is superstitious enough to believe in it.

• The successful black magician must be highly proficient at using and choosing his or her tools and predicting the effect or outcome the tools will have when employed. Fear of tools and self – deceit are to be avoided at all costs. Calculation is the key and knowledge of the way the target ticks is essential: the magician should select the tool which best suits the target and the outcome to be achieved.

“The focus of this article, like so many Runes articles before it, is upon another aspect of science which is sufficiently obscure to warrant its being venerated as “magic” by the vulgar. Hence it is suitable for practical use by the Black magician. Because it is based upon objective principles, rather than ooga - booga tosh, moreover, it can be applied successfully whether or not the object of the working knows about it or believes in it.”

It seems to me that the functioning of magic or rather the way magic works, which is described in this article, is of a different order than the so called common definition of magic or the definition which functioned in the RHP during earlier periods of time. The great value of being a Black Magician is studying and employing Lesser Magic, which I believe Dr. Aquino is primarily looking at here in his article.

Pragmatism, or the calculation of the outcome to be achieved and the means used to achieve it is a primary consideration. The psychological makeup of the target is taken into account as well. The success of the working is guaranteed by the scientific validity or objectivity of the principles which underpin it and the successful employment of those principles in the specific magical performance.

This magic takes into account the fact that real human animals occupy a real material world, and that both human animal and world conform to objectively valid laws or knowledge, which can and should be studied, and then used to determine or rather structure magical performances, which then successfully determine the course of the targets actions and reactions and hence events in the magicians favour.

Mysticism is only useful if others believe in it and that belief allows them to be manipulated by the cool and detached magician. Mysticism has no intrinsic value as it is not based on objective principles.

One of my favourite books is Discipline and Punish by Michel Foucault.

This book is an attempt to write an archaeology of the rise and methodology of the mode of power known as disciplinary power and its place or function within western modernity.

One of the most prominent features of this disciplinary power besides the examination and the focusing, ordering, normalising and correcting of multiplicities is the all pervasive surveillance which underpins and makes possible its cold calculation and detailed procedures.

The Panopticon, developed and promoted by Bentham, is an ideal model for surveillance. What is important is the way the Panoptic model with its surveillance relation and the issue of visibility and space and the political theory of architecture became important and the way it infiltrated schools, workplaces, hospitals, prisons, the family home etc. and then had a cool and corrective effect on the body and hence on subjectivity or sense of self.

“The magician who succeeds in controlling or altering another individual’s “personal field” thus controls or alters that person just as assuredly as though he were able to control his conscious personality.”

I would add to this by saying that the magician who succeeds in understanding space and the way space has been and can still be used to survey, know and control the individual is employing some very powerful magic.

I recommend Foucault’s book to you as a worthy addition to your black magical knowledge and practice.

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#37608 - 04/14/10 09:17 PM Re: Proxemic Magic [Re: MatthewJ1]
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I am not sure i was able to completely understand the use of proxemics in magic.
I also understand that criticism is necessary.
I was upset,so trying to vent i went and wrote that article.
I apologize for my ignorance.

That being said, I wanted to know if anyone had any documents on proxemics and they proper way of using proxemics?

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#37609 - 04/14/10 09:23 PM Re: Proxemic Magic [Re: the earthly duck]
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Oh, I see what you mean by one liners,i wont make the same mistake again. Why was that rule put in place if you don't mind me asking?

Sometimes i can bring myself to not write in one line format,
I don't understand why. Other than Jung, what other therapists are accredited to helping the cultivation of satanic thought?

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#37659 - 04/16/10 08:45 AM Re: Proxemic Magic [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I just wanted to add some additional thoughts on this by addressing the notion of Proxemic’s more directly and bringing in Foucault and demonstrating how his work carves its own place next to Proxemic’s.

Proxemic’s is defined as a term “…coined for the interrelated observations and theories of man's use of space as a specialized elaboration of culture."

Dr. Aquino has identified three basic components in Hall’s book, which are mentioned in the above article:

· Individuals from different cultural backgrounds do not experience in the same way, rather a person’s cultural background plays a determining role in what is sensed and what is not sensed, and structures the individual’s perception and experience, including space.
· Human beings possess distance fields or zones and these fields or zones are culturally constructed or influenced as well. The notions of Flight Distance (FD), Critical Distance (CD), and Personal and Social Distance (PSD) are mentioned.
· Human boundaries do not end with the skin. I can be found beyond myself, beyond my body and in my extensions, through the interrelations between myself and my extensions, in my personal and social distance. “Man and his extensions constitute one interrelated system. It is a mistake of the greatest magnitude to act as though man were one thing and his house or his cities, his technology or his language were something else.”

Hall’s book was written in 1966. In 1975 Foucault published Discipline and Punish.

The question of space and clear sight and knowledge of an objectified and isolated subject became of primary importance within western modernity from the 18th century onwards. This new form of organising and defining space as a space of surveillance and hence of calculation and of recording became the ground from which a new system was born.

This systems priority was to organise and to induce productive forces at the smallest possible expense and as continuously as possible, according to Foucault. Historically this system has been tremendously successful and has formed the backbone of the capitalist enterprise, the maintenance of institutions and quite possibly the core of subjectivity.

The majority of people in the western world function productively within workplaces, many of them in offices, which have been quite deliberately designed to be spaces where surveillance and clear sight can take place and hence where the tactics of discipline such as the examination and the maintenance of order are constantly functioning or being prepared or implemented.

Distance fields are real and I believe that human extensions are real. The type of space that these types of fields and human extensions exist within, in our western culture, tends to be the disciplinary site of the Panopticon in all its fluid and less than ideal forms.

Very few people can clearly articulate why they are what they are and understand the powerful role of disciplinary space and Proxemic’s in their lives and the very formation of their subjectivity. This may be a useful knowledge for the black magician to possess. I would certainly like to explore this more.

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