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#2968 - 12/28/07 12:33 AM Anonymity, advice, and egoís
blackdragon31560 Offline
pledge


Registered: 08/30/07
Posts: 74
Loc: Hell Paso, TX
Well Iíve stayed away from the site for sometime, simply because I see people ask people that donít know for advise. And see the same people reply to feed here own ego which is normal. It brings a question to mind, how many of you would ask someone on the street that you donít know for the same advice? The fact that when your online, where its known for people to make themselves who they want to be, answer questions in the form other will agree with. Even on most websites there are conformed groups, an example would be the ďFamiliar ForumĒ here, which I think is a nice idea, but in the end are look for people with the same thinking as themselves. I see no real difference between here and satannet. Simply driven by different goals, but the same mind set. I see some weak people here asking questions or advice from people that may or may NOT be who they say they are. And not look for the answers on there own, and truly freeing your mind, I do enjoy the health discussions. By advice Iím not, Iím NOT talking about a nice site to find some random thing, Iím mean something that will truly benefit or harm the mind and ego. Simply because they feel safe and hidden, when it fact, at any time, when anyone posts there IPA is logged (Internet Protocol address) even behind a proxy they can be tracked, maybe not from a proxy chain, but donít think more then 1% here know where to find them. The simple fact I see, is the fact they feel safe to expose there weakness, when in fact there in the lionís den. When they post on sites with hungry beasts, waiting to satisfy there own egoís. I see more and more people simply pointing to the obvious, the same dogmatic thinking. No longer trying to find what else is possible.

My question is, anonymity is for the most a myth, why are other so willing to expose there weakness? why is it, that all discussions all have the root point of view and dogmatic thinking. I can see where LaVey's thinking was to optimistic for the ďSatanicĒ community. We're are all beasts, why do so many feel they can be themselves when know one is looking, do wolves act different, when others a around, no it simply is what it is. Why do most Satanists lower themselves below common animals? Why is that most Society fears the word ďsatan- ism, ist, icĒ but Satanists fear Society? Is it the human ego, or maybe the lack of, Is the human animal that weak, I donít think so, then what is it?

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#2969 - 12/28/07 12:48 AM Re: Anonymity, advice, and egoís [Re: blackdragon31560]
Raven Offline
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Registered: 12/20/07
Posts: 12
It's not that we regard to what society thinks of us, leaking too much as to even means of sharing/discussing others on the topic of Satanism/left hand path could lead to a particular issues such as rumors, rallies, and protests that is why we must remain silent until the time is right. Though it does not hurt to awaken others in the process, slowly but surely the world is waking up. As mentioned in the short-coming topic I too wish not to discuss such weakness amongst others cause it alone is an act of weakness.

So what if others are tracking us/etc. there can be nothing done without a cause of act and i hardly count discussion as a form of planning action.

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#2970 - 12/28/07 01:14 AM Re: Anonymity, advice, and egoís [Re: Raven]
Fist Moderator Offline
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Registered: 08/31/07
Posts: 1453
Loc: B'mo Cautious MF
The general premise here is that you are amongst like minds and fellow travellers. It is sort of like belonging to a club or being a regular at a particular bar. I am sure you must have been in other social situations where you exposed yourself to people who you only had a casual relationship with.

People are here to learn, vent, have others act a sounding board, and perhaps enjoy a little fellowship.

What is the problem?
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#2976 - 12/28/07 10:37 AM Re: Anonymity, advice, and egoís [Re: blackdragon31560]
fakepropht Moderator Offline
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Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 990
Loc: Texas
You wouldn't join a Ford car club and expect an informed discussion of the finer points of a Chevy engine. Nor would you join a Dallas Cowboys fan club and have a rational discussion about how good the Redskins are. There will be a variety of discussions and opinions offered on this website, but bottom line is most of us are cut from the same cloth. So our replies and discussions are going to be somewhat one sided and repetitive.

With more than 200 users, why not ask for advise on a topic? Chances are, someone else has been through or done what you are asking. Would I ask for advise on open heart surgery or something of the like here? No, of course not. But I would probably be inclined to ask advise on drug use, constructing an altar, or setting up a home network. The world is a dangerous place. But really, I don't think there is a busload of predators lurking about trying to find you. I wouldn't expect a busload of NA members to show up at my house if I asked for advise on quitting an addiction. Nor would I expect to find my personal information floating around cyberspace because I said I talk with demons and someone was compelled to find my personal information from that statement. Now if I asked how to properly dispose of a body without getting caught, or a list of ingredients for a pipe bomb, yeah I might start looking for a dark 4 door sedan in my parking lot. Many users feel a connection with others here. That is why they seek advise and share personal details with strangers that they have never met. Sure it can stroke egos both ways. I ask a question and get some great advise from a stranger that I never met and know nothing about their qualifications to answer me. But if it pointed me in the right direction or somehow seemed to help me, then my ego or self worth gets a massage. As the responder, my ego gets a massage by possibly helping someone and being able to use a life experience. So did my ego get a stroking from responding to your post? Not really. I just shared an opinion on the subject. In a couple of hours I will have forgotten I replied to this and will probably end up downloading some lame porn and wondering why I wasted 10 minutes for this.
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#2977 - 12/28/07 10:58 AM Re: Anonymity, advice, and egoís [Re: blackdragon31560]
birdstrike Offline
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Registered: 09/30/07
Posts: 59
Loc: Canada
Well I am weak! Sometimes it's great to jump on here and find some people with similar ideas to help me feel sane. Other times its just nice to look down my egotistical nose at others whom I feel are not as knowledgeable as myself. And yes it is great to do it with relative anonymity. In my defense however there have been many on this forum who have provided needed insight into situations that has helped me. There have been times (more on the old forum) where users like ta2zz have had me ready to through my monitor because they provided me with a reality check I desperately needed (even though I may not have known it at the time).

Now lets swing that ego anonymity pendulum your way sir. You call others weak? Weak for doing and enjoying the same freedoms the internet gives you. I'd highly doubt you would approach me on the street and call me weak to my face. You sure seem to have it all figured out. I hope that you don't have to have the same things happen to you that happened to me in order to realize you don't know shit! The funny thing is: If you don't need validation and advice from weak minded interneters, why post at all? You spent a good deal of time writing a post which plainly sates the obvious. Is it because your ego has let you believe you are the only one who sees it? Maybe it is the others who are not the weaklings with the over inflated egos. I am, but I can't speak for the others!
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#2979 - 12/28/07 01:24 PM Re: Anonymity, advice, and egoís [Re: birdstrike]
blackdragon31560 Offline
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Registered: 08/30/07
Posts: 74
Loc: Hell Paso, TX
Nice replies and every well answered from everyone, let me answer some of the questions asked.

"I am sure you must have been in other social situations where you exposed yourself to people who you only had a casual relationship with. "

well not really, i pick and choose my friends very carefully,if i understand you, a casual relationship would like a person i know from work. The answer would be no, i keep my personal and business life fair apart. for example if i can't make it work i'll give some information why, but the whole story or problem.

"What is the problem?"

More of a question, why do people feel free to expose there weakness, simply because the have the feeling of anonymity, which really isn't there? Also why do some Satanists fear Society, when most of the same Society them?

Raven you gave a nice reply on the section on Society, but by fear, i mean the fact that other must compel others, to hide who they are. i'm fully aware of what you meant by keeping quite til the right time, and i agree with that. but i'm refereeing to other that, that go against there own moral code to simply fit in, to me those are the weak.

"Now lets swing that ego anonymity pendulum your way sir. You call others weak?"

well as pointed above, yes

"Weak for doing and enjoying the same freedoms the internet gives you. I'd highly doubt you would approach me on the street and call me weak to my face. You sure seem to have it all figured out"

i wouldn't bother wasting my time, to got out of my way, to speak to someone i don't know, unless i see something that interest me. unless i'm at work, where that's part of my job. and no i don't have it "all figured out", i wouldn't be asking questions if i did.

"The funny thing is: If you don't need validation and advice from weak minded interneters, why post at all?"

not everyone use the internet is weak, i see nothing wrong doing what you enjoy. i speaking about those that that simply cater there needs to others, and nothing more. No i know i'm not the only one that see it, i'm asking why do you think this happens? Well i ask questions, to see and read people's points of view.

"Maybe it is the others who are not the weaklings with the over inflated egos."

truely a funny comment, and so defensive i wounder why. well i wouldn't be asking questions if i felt that way. Raven, Fist, fakepropht, gave some interesting replies, to my questions truly enjoyable readings.

"In a couple of hours I will have forgotten I replied to this and will probably end up downloading some lame porn and wondering why I wasted 10 minutes for this."

a true reply, i think might or ready happen, i do have question, if your still wondering, why not try to find an answer?
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#2980 - 12/28/07 04:05 PM Re: Anonymity, advice, and egoís [Re: blackdragon31560]
Zakary Offline
pledge


Registered: 11/12/07
Posts: 75
You must by now understand that we are those who have dared to traverse the hidden world. We are inverse beings in the human world, demons or shaitans.
We are intellectual predators by nature, who require the cover of anonymity in a world where the ignorant would seek to destroy us.
This is the way it has always been. Those who have chosen to be public about their beliefs and nature have done so with varying results.
We cannot deny that great things have been achieved by individuals like Dr LaVey, who have given new impetus to our kind over the previous decades.
However, we are an animal that requires camouflage in a dangerous
world of religious fanatics and political sycophants.
Anonymity is about survival not weakness or fear.
All animals seem to utilize a form of camouflage, and we no well that we live in a world of human animals.

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