#36377 - 03/14/10 05:06 AM
Re: Satanic Ritual Magic- Psychological?
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Dan_Dread
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Loc: Vancouver, Canada
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But nothing supernatural exsists.
Are you sure?
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#36386 - 03/14/10 09:47 AM
Re: Satanic Ritual Magic- Psychological?
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felixgarnet
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I think there is a problem of semantics here. As I understand it, exadust is saying that everything that exists is "natural" as it is part of "nature" - what we perceive as "reality". By these criteria, polyester is a "natural" fabric as it was developed from man's creation and use of plastic. I can buy that.
However, when people start throwing the word "supernatural" around they are invariably referring to phenomena which (so far)cannot be proved or disproved by empirical means. These include, for example, poltergeists, precognition, non-corporeal entities such as angels and daemons and so on. To state as if it were fact that these do not exist is evidence of lazy thinking in my opinion. Just because they do not lend themselves to "proof" does not mean that the burden of disproof is lifted from the disbeliever's lips. How can we disprove the existence of phenomena consistently reported over centuries by diverse cultures?
I can appreciate people claiming that they only believe in the existence of that which they have apprehended with their five (sic) senses. However, my reply to that is that I have personally encountered phenomena which may safely fall into the category of "supernatural" and had no physical or mental screws loose at the time. Certainly, these episodes were subjective experiences but you may as well say so is eating and defecating and no-one would deny that these are objectively "real".
This is why, in my personal philosophy, I do not categorize demons and so on as fragments of the human mind but as conscious energies which may interact with the mind if that mind is of sufficient capacity to know how to work with them. Our apprehension of such energies will naturally be subjective but experience tells me that there is an objective "other" involved. Of course, I can't prove or disprove this but who cares so long as it works? 
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