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#30471 - 10/13/09 03:41 AM Did your personality change?
coelentrate Offline
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When you realized you were a Satanist, did it change your personality? If not, did it change the way you talk or act?

I'm reading the Carl Jung book and he says it might. I want to explore that idea here.

I've seen that knowledge can change the way you view the world. That's a start.

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#30472 - 10/13/09 03:49 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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No. My personality is pretty much the same as it always was at a base level. I've probably grown a little more cynical over the course of 60 years, but that's probably more of a result of living life than any philosophical construct I might adhere to.
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#30473 - 10/13/09 07:16 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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I believe it did a little, if only because I was finally comfortable being in my own skin and embracing the selfish, narcissistic bitch that I can be at times. If there was any change, I believe it was mostly internal, and I feel much happier and self-confident than before.

I also concur with Jake on the cynicism...sometimes it feels as if I've become a little too negative, always finding the black lining in every cloud. I have to remember to keep that in check (or at least keep it to myself), because no one likes hanging out with someone who's a bummer all the time, and I don't want to become that bummer!!! \:\)
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#30747 - 10/24/09 08:55 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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I'd have to say How could it not?

I remember browing through TSB at my girlfriends house and thinking to myself "i've got to take this home and read it! I borrowed it from here and read it from cover to cover that very night. I felt... enlightened? To coin a cheezy term.

I did start to think of things in a different light and see things from a different view. I was refreshed to read I wasn't the only one in this pathetic world who thought the way I did and saw things from a similar point of view.

I didn't seperate myself from friends or family and become a hermit, but I did limit my exposure to what I had thought was sheepish society and xian dogma. I was hesitant in letting the world know my views, beliefs, and where I stood on the subject.

Today I have no problem what-so-ever letting anyone know I have a different outlook and views and a voice I share too often. Friends have gotten to accept me for this and those who have shy'd away from me and my circle clearly aren't friends anyway.
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#30781 - 10/25/09 07:43 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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Did my personality Change? No, after all Satanism is an Ideal not an Identity. but, I will say that I have, Umm, "Grown" has a person since reading the works of Lavey. but my personality is the same, I have always been who I am, everything else is merely aspects of that.
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#30783 - 10/25/09 08:51 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Night_Shift]
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I would have to say my attitude at the time changed a bit. Before I felt very frustrated for thinking different from the people around me. I feared I might be an incompatible with a world made for average and mediocre humans. Not to mention I had the irrational emotional insecurity that I'm sure most everyone has at those years.

I bought and read TSB in some curiosity knowing little about it. I expected it to be a good laugh, I had no idea what was really in this book.
When I read TSB it made me realize there was a name for what I was and that it can lead me to success happiness. It didn't change my views and ideas as much as much as seeing them as a positive thing. In this way I think reading TSB was a major step in my maturity and self-confidence.

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#30802 - 10/26/09 04:11 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: TV is God]
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Placing a name to my general views of the world didn't radically change my personality, I was much the same person before reading TSB as I was afterwards, but my thought processes did change. I became far more analytical in everything and began reading a lot more. I had read a lot beforehand, but now I was more interested in reading books that had actual substance. It was like the more I read on Satanism, the more confident I was in my own opinions and the desperate need to form my thoughts from credible research. No school could ever dream of teaching me that.

Whether that realization was just a side-effect from reading the mostly-intelligent posts here or from recognizing the importance of improving my own intellect to become a better individual for myself, I can't be sure. Either way I know I won't be turning back. It feels good to know that I am inherently better than the majority of the people around me because of my will to form honest opinions, instead of blind ones. I do talk less now though, too busy thinking or staying quiet for my own well-being. My parents don't take well to my questioning attitude and I'd rather stay on their good side.

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#30804 - 10/26/09 10:43 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: ThinkingCap]
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I wouldn't say my personality changed as much as my emotional and mind set changed. It took me quite a while to accept that the guilt I had been feeling for years was needless and so engrained through what was someone else's set of beliefs. Those set of beliefs didn't work for me, no matter how hard I tried believe or vary them. Even that left me feeling guilty. It took me quite a while to accept my own "skin" and understand that I could let go of all the extra baggage without feeling guilty about anything pertaining to what I was and what I believed.

I think the way my personality has changed is that I am a bit more intolerant of the local religious salesmen or idiots in general and less tolerant of people encroaching on my goodwill for myself and those I love. I've always been loyal to those in my life but have found that I am more protective than before. Probably more so now because I've come to realize that I choose carefully those that are very close and know that they are not just "tossed" into the mix of my life by some old guy in the sky. I've found that those who don't affect my life directly aren't allowed any real "stay power" for or over me and this can/does include family. Friends are chosen very carefully. I don't fret the small stuff any more, either. If something affects someone else then it is theirs to own and I no longer let their little problems run amuck over me. Eh, maybe there's more "changes" than I thought but all in all, those that know me say I haven't changed over the years. Although, many don't know the internal struggles I went through to get to where I am either. So, some things haven't changed no matter what, such as my privacy.

Perhaps, intensify my personality is a much better assessment, rather than change. For me, it was about coming into "my own", rather than making huge changes. Realization, awareness and an awakening in what was already known, yet hadn't been explored. Decisions are made much more calculated with more knowledge instead of allowing things to "just happen". Loyalty placed where it is deserved and enjoyment of what life has to offer and those around me brought to surface more freely. Many of these personality traits were always within me, but became more important and open when there wasn't anyone else to be accountable for them, except me.

And YES, there was quite a bit of self indulgence of desires that were held captive for quite a few years when I first discovered Satanism but I think many go through that part of their own discovery as well.
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#30807 - 10/26/09 11:29 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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My personality did not change after realizing I was a satanist. I am still a gentle cynic who loves socializing almost as much as I love myself.

There has been some change though.

Instead of using obscenities when frustrated at something or someone, I now call upon the demons of the infernal abyss and ask that they might strike down thine enemy. That of course, is accompanied by a theatrical shaking of my fist (it demonstrates the seriousness of the matter) ;).

So, with regards to a change in my actions or the way I speak, yes, there has been a dramatic change. I censor myself less and laugh at myself more.

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#30834 - 10/27/09 04:11 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: BelialsGal]
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I became more sure of myself and I stopped feeling like I had to change. I realized that who I am is a gift.
My personality became less of a mainstream mask.

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#31622 - 11/13/09 02:46 AM Re: Did Your Personality Change? [Re: coelentrate]
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when i activated my Satanity, it did not change my personality. it had changed fully 5 years prior, at my Saturn Return. my pact in its aftermath was a punctuated refinement as i settled into proper relation to my local culture (liberal and post-Christian), and into a compassionate, outrageous activism.

knowledge about Satan and Satanism sealed my relationship with my society, and with the Northwest Forest bioregion of my birth. the incentive i had in forging my pact drew from a study of the history of personifications of evil through time (demonology) and an examination of social studies by Hicks (1991), Bromley (1991), Lanning (1992), and later, Ellis (2003), and others debunking the fabrications of the anti-cultist and anti-satanist witch hunters, along with their false memory syndromes and rumour-panic subversion ideologies. my pact's form and inspiration were a reflection of legend and lore particular to Faust.

LaVey was my fundamental source on *religious* Satanism, to whose text and interviews i returned repeatedly, due to his influence on social groups and those whose Satanic careers i tried to understand and contrast with the lies and slanders promoted by police seminar 'educators'. I also valued the fanciful constructions of Jules Michelet, the dictionary of Wade Baskin, and the post-LaVeyan expression of Jeffrey Deboo.

it was during or around this time of assimilation of knowledge that i began to change my speech and action, and this led to a shift in my social connections. I constructed theories about martyrdom and its relation to the New Religious Movement sects (Witches, Satanists, Sorcerers, et al) as they seemed related to the history and development of at least early Christianity, to which they compared favourably and from which they appeared to descend, and i recognized the controversy that the "martyrdom" featured in these theories would stir.

I found a helpful social vehicle in pursuit of the application of these ideas toward ecological-activism and sustainable martyring expression: becoming the Satanic Outreach Director for the Church of Euthanasia. shortly afterward, i concluded my pact (96/6/6), and started promoting, alongside as many other Satanism FAQs as i could collect together, the concept of the Great Martyrdom Cult as i conceived it. Manifesto Satanika and the Gospel of Satan i wrote during this period also, though i did not then delve very deeply into their importance.

I began acting on my pact with Satan as i understood Hir, and this included a defense of the character of those who were unfairly targetted by Christians and the wider community they were influencing, especially demons, Satan, Satanists, diabolists, demonolaters, Witches, Sorcerers, magicians, and occultists, all during the Satanism Scare that was ramping up in the 1990s. I also defended the character and symbol of Satan in public ('witnessing', as i understood it), as well as pointed out what i had identified as the reality behind Satan (natural phenomena outside human control; wild nature, both internal and external).

in my apparel, i retained the black robes i had already adopted in pursuit of quasi-monastic standards, but embellished these with demonic and Satanic amulets. my witnessing primarily extended to occultists and Neopagans, for whom i networked data, and whom i loved and respected greatly. I informed them of the Good News regarding demonology: that the 'satanic ritual abuse' and 'occult crime' nightmares of our society weren't real, and that my experience of demons -- i was actively invoking them during that period -- was that they were *wild natural beings*, energies or intelligences that were not described accurately by Christian religious and Hermetic mages who thought them to be "evil" and portrayed them as forming grand martial hierarchies. I suggested that they ought be approached with care as one might any sizable wild animal

knowledge did change the way that i viewed the world, and it also changed the way that i related to it, and how i behaved within it given the circumstances. this knowledge was moreso a clear-sightedness regarding projected subversion nightmares and egregious accusatory slanders, rather than some doctrinal truth i found in essays by Satanists. these essays i gathered for archival and showcasing, and developed my own alongside them by which i felt more strongly inspired. I'm continuing to pursue that knowledge and reflect it to the public, and these are the most pertinent compositions toward this end:

http://www.satanservice.org/real-satanists.html
http://www.satanservice.org/covens.html
http://www.satanservice.org/satanism-bibliography.html
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#31633 - 11/13/09 07:10 AM Re: Did Your Personality Change? [Re: nocTifer]
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I was raised to be a good little brown nosed Catholic. Around the time I was ten years old, I began to question the validity of the beliefs that I was force fed as a child. When I first read the Satanic Bible, I felt that many of my underlying feelings had been confirmed. I had long felt that there was something amiss with the way I was raised. It seemed counter to my true nature. This second guessing stuff just had to go. For the longest time I struggled with the feelings of guilt that Christianity instilled in me. Satanism really was the first thing that said to me, "Hey, look, kid, you are ok. There's nothing wrong with the way you feel, or about the things that you do because they feel ok to you. The religionists had me agonizing over masturbating, which is something everybody does, or even defending myself when someone was trying to beat me up. Revenge is mine, sayeth the lord, or turn the other cheek just didn't cut it when I'm getting my head pounded in by some bully.
So, yes, I have changed. I am self empowered. No more meek little cowering slave shivering in a puddle of my own piss.

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#33164 - 12/23/09 02:33 PM Re: Did Your Personality Change? [Re: Satansfarm]
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I think Iíve become a more pleasant person since recognizing and then accepting who Iíve been all along. Iím less inclined to argue over petty things like religious differences, because Iím OK with who I am and donít feel the need to justify it to others. I donít care if others agree with me. I can get along with anyone as long as they donít fuck with me.

Iím sure my enhanced self confidence shows in my personality. I still make plenty of mistakes, but instead of wandering out of them into more mistakes I find a lesson to be learned and move forward with a greater sense of awareness.

I feel good about myself. Itís nice to know that I donít have to prove myself to anybody, because ultimately it doesnít matter what they think of me but only what I think of myself. That is true freedom Ė not freedom as defined by governments or the masses but freedom of spirit.
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#33177 - 12/23/09 08:32 PM Re: Did Your Personality Change? [Re: William Wright]
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Of course my personality changed. To be honest, I spit on those people that discovered they're a Satanist and since they're are all happy and satisfied about themselves as if the discovery of being this "end and all" of things implies they reached some kind of an end-goal. To me personality is nothing but a temporal fixation in long road of self-discovery. You explore your weakness, your fears, your vulnerabilities and add them to your knowledge base, realizing that being weak isn't too much different from anything else, just another position in a self-perceived reality. In the end, there's so much being cool and strong attached to Satanism that if you prod your finger in a soft spot, most their personality pops like a balloon. Vama Marga babies, all that scares the bunnies is open territory to others.

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#33406 - 12/30/09 08:50 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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Satanists are born - not made. You were a Satanist long before you ever read TSB. The true Satanist knows he is not like the great mass of humanity. After reading TSB he has a Eureka moment where it all now makes sense and his true name is revealed. From that point on the Satanist lives in the image of his true self.
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#33407 - 12/30/09 09:24 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Fist]
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Well said Fist, that sums up my position on this matter as well.

I don't see Satanism as some sort of journey to become something else, or as some sort of life changing experience. Anyone can pick up TSB and become a follower of Satanism, striving to change their behaviors to mimic what LaVey is describing. I would say, however, that a follower of Satan and a Satanist are not necessarily one and the same.

A Satanist is already working at pushing his limits and exploring his boundaries, taking nothing on faith and questioning everything long before he ever reads anything LaVey described. Satanists don't need to be followers of Satanism for the same reason a lion doesn't need to read national geographic to know what to hunt.
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#33458 - 01/01/10 09:18 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I was raised a Catholic, but I don't believe in that stuff any more. Today I'm on the bus and some bored again christian with whiskey on his breath tries to convert me. Seems seeing my Pentagram ring was enough evidence for him to give me his snake oil routine. I calmly explained to him that I just don't believe in his god, and further went on to tell him that his Bible was written by people with an agenda. I used to get pissed off about this. People go around wearing crosses from their necks, I don't go bothering them about it. I like my ring. I'm wearing it. I made the guy look like an idiot and I didn't get one feather of mine out of place.
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#33471 - 01/02/10 09:11 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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I cant say fully if my personality changed, when I confirmed to satanisme, because I was going through changes in my life anyhow, so I believe I would still be this personality, however I do have a comfort in satanisme and I rest better in myself then I have before, as if I got the answers to unspoken questions that i've asked for years.
Satanisme have given me a guideline how to deal with problems which I can then better overcome, than I could before.

Well yeh, I guess it did change me to a happier, more pleasent and relaxed person.
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#33472 - 01/02/10 09:50 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Anne]
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Is it just me? Or are the rest of you all glad Fist is out there looking out for us? TYFYS Fist! ;\)
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#33475 - 01/02/10 11:05 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: GillesdeRais]
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Ah, thanks?

We already have a thread on this Gilles.

http://www.the600club.com/topic31664-1.html

As long as the check comes on the 1st and the 15th you have nothing to worry about.
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#33487 - 01/02/10 06:37 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: GillesdeRais]
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Ah, but Gilles...did Fist ever say he was looking out for YOU in particular? ;\) Fist, thank you for providing the "Guilt" link for him to pore over.
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#33580 - 01/05/10 04:46 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Fist]
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Sorry for caring! But, do you have a thread on this?
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#33613 - 01/06/10 10:24 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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 Originally Posted By: coelentrate
When you realized you were a Satanist, did it change your personality? If not, did it change the way you talk or act?


Becoming conscious of certain convictions caused me to weed my inner garden a bit. I pulled out and discarded any non-empirical, non-materialistic, non-Atheist, non-Satanic thought processes that had snuck into my mental environment when I wasn't looking. I don't think any of this was visible to other people.
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#33628 - 01/07/10 05:39 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Baron dHolbach]
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Is it okay if I find myself turning to subjects such as Satanism as a tool to help affect a purposeful change in my personality?

For years I have read philosophies and carried what I thought were 'beliefs' that I find as I grow older I 'know' but do not 'live'. I am struggling to truly identify with the things I've always felt I identified with. I have to find a way to put into practice the mental and emotional attitudes I know would be healthy for me.

Most of the people around me tell me I am 'all about me'. While inside myself I feel I am the least important person. I want to learn to actually be self-important and stop being so giving to those who do not return the efforts. I am hoping, with continued study and interaction with others who may be more experienced with these subjects, to broaden my understanding of myself.

I am curious and honestly apprehensive about how any declaration of 'I'm a Satanist' would change the way those around me behave toward me. I'm afraid to lose friends or have coworkers suddenly ostracize me if I wear a baphomet or am seen reading something with Satanic titles/imagery. This is a fear I'd like to get over, whether such bigotry is shown to me or not.

So in essence, I am hoping TO discover myself as a Satanist.

As my first post, I'd like to say hello and apologize for jumping into here instead of the welcome thread first, the question in this topic is practically the reason I came to this community. Thank you.

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#33639 - 01/07/10 07:53 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Aneres]
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I think that's the problem a lot of people have, that they try to "fit" into someone else's preconceived idea of how one should live their life. Just look at the dozens of Christian sects that span the globe. Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Baptist--I'd have to look the rest of them up on line to be able to list them all. Those are all instances of a small group of people (sometimes just one of them, like King Henry the 8th) who didn't like some of the rules they had to follow, and decided to start his own to fit THEIR needs.

So while you are certainly free to use Satanic precepts any way you see fit, by no means should you pressure yourself to adhere to any "label". It's like trying to cram a square box into a round hole.

I operate under the title of "Satanist", but would not lose sleep if one day I decided to drop it and cease to use to any sort of label for myself. Very few on this site are "religious" (pardon the pun) about keeping to LaVey's brand of Satanism in their every day lives. We don't say 50 Hail Satans when we forgo smashing our enemy on the cheek, or any other sort of penitence. That implies some sort of guilt trip, and who the hell wants THAT guiding their lives? If we did, we'd all still be Christians.
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#33641 - 01/07/10 08:31 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Nemesis]
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From what I've read of the Satanic Bible (most of it- I'm up to the Enochian Keys) a Satanist who also happens to be a Star Wars fan can get away with calling themselves a Sith.

At the end of the day labels are for jars.
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#33642 - 01/07/10 08:51 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Nemesis]
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I understand that a label is just that, a label that does not neccessarily describe its contents. I think what I'm saying is that I'm trying to break a lot of the preconceieved notions I have about 'how to live' by identifying which notions are ones that hold me back.

I've recently begun to look at my preconceived notions regarding what constitutes a 'good person'. I look at myself and my capacity for compassion and have begin to see how it has held me back, allowing others to benefit from my emotional investments while getting little in return. I think one of my preconcieved notions was that I should have NO label, thus never offending anybody, repressing my own self-expression for the sake of 'tact' or just to not rock the boat. At this point in my life I'd kind of like to pick a label I can be proud of for my own reasons and use it to help me self-identify.

So far Satanism has taught me it's okay to appreciate feeling things. That can easily include enjoying the feeling of identifying with a name/community/religion/culture.

I suppose it's all in what one does with the label. I want the label for myself, rather than others to see. And with that statement I realize just how important and unimportant that label actually is, and also how insignificant my input here actually is because I answered my own question.

I am eager to learn. Perhaps that's the biggest personality change of all, and I guess I couldnt pinpoint whether 'realizing I was a Satanist' came before or after that. In fact I'd say (because I am often self depreciating) that I have not yet the right to call myself 'a Satanist' yet. I don't nearly have the knowledge I feel I would need.

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#33648 - 01/07/10 03:21 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Nemesis]
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I think that's the problem a lot of people have, that they try to "fit" into someone else's preconceived idea of how one should live their life

That's the whole trick, isn't it? ;\)
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#33649 - 01/07/10 03:29 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Aneres]
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 Quote:
So far Satanism has taught me it's okay to appreciate feeling things

Man! Don't confuse a philosophy with masturbation. BTW - Say hi to your mom from me! ;\)
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#33665 - 01/07/10 07:30 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: GillesdeRais]
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 Originally Posted By: GillesdeRais

Man! Don't confuse a philosophy with masturbation. BTW - Say hi to your mom from me! ;\)


One more attempt on "amusing" one-liners, and you will realize yourself.
A partially erased footnote...

First and last warning.
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#33705 - 01/07/10 11:58 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Woland]
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I can be idiotic, AT BEST, and am best taken in small doses. I apologize for the one-liners, and really enjoy you people letting me post here. I will no longer post one-liners. At the max, maybe 1.5 lines. Bye for now. Have fun! Stay Single! ;\)

Edited by GillesdeRais (01/08/10 12:00 AM)
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#33795 - 01/10/10 01:36 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: GillesdeRais]
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I wouldn't say my personality has changed, but I would say that the way I feel about who I am has improved drastically. I used to always feel like I was choking on air, like what I thought I needed was killing me inside. It was like I was drowning myself in what other people were telling me who and what I should be.

If anything, I would say my personality has been blossoming since I realized I'm a satanist. In general, I'm the happiest I've been in my life. I feel like I've destroyed everything inside me that would prevent me from enjoying life, gaining knowledge, and achieving my dreams.
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#33797 - 01/10/10 02:30 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: zippadydooda]
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I'm still the same person I was before but I think I'm more confident. I've been realising that since I'm God I need to make myself somebody worth worshipping.

I've spent way too fucking much time trying to keep EVERYBODY happy- even people I pass in the street who'll I'll probably never see again. It's too tiring. To paraphrase the great philosopher philosopher Frank N Furter: "I'm not doing this FOR YOU!"

I printed out The Satanic Bible to read. While reading it publically I offended people. Those people will have to get over it. My mother recently visited my flat and saw The Book Of Satan lying around. My mother is a Christian. I'm sorry I offended her but I'm not sorry I read TSB. I know my mother will love me no matter what I do so my challenge is to explain to her what TSB is and why I love it. It will be difficult because I pissed her off years ago telling her I was an Atheist but I can do it. I can do anything.


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#33800 - 01/10/10 02:38 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: PeteOfTheDead]
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If you are so tired of pleasing other people; why do you seek approval from your mother regarding your philosophical leanings? And if it bothers you that much then don't leave such things lying around where people will see them and get offended. The approval seeking still seems weird to me...
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#33801 - 01/10/10 03:48 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I don't want my mother thinking that I'm reading Satanic stuff to rebel, to intentionally hurt people. She doesn't understand the philosophy behind TSB...

About leaving the print-outs lying around- I only spent a small amount of time in my flat from Christmas to this past Friday. I came back with my parents then. I should've hid the print-outs but I can be absent-minded sometimes- often actually :P .
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#33803 - 01/10/10 04:38 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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I meant I'm not doing what I'm doing with the intention of hurting anyone. And I'm not doing it to offend people, but because it feels right to me and Christianity doesn't.

As a teenager I did and said things with the purpose of shocking them.

Am I rebelling? Yes, I suppose I am, but I didn't really think of it in those terms until now. I'm not rebelling for the sake of rebelling though. I'm doing it because i cannot and will not take a number and wait to be saved like so many others.
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#33840 - 01/11/10 06:00 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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No i have been like this for many years. It just took me a while to understand what "label" i was.
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#34399 - 01/22/10 05:29 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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I think that Satanism has slightly changed my way of thinking. I think it gave me some new alternatives. It made me more open-minded. Or maybe less narrow-minded .
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#34401 - 01/22/10 08:40 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: soul]
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Yes, but did it change how you lived your life? Did your personality (not your thinking) change? Did you start treating people differently? That was the OP's question. It doesn't take an entire philosophy to change one's way of thinking. That could be accomplished with a single, profound sentence or paragraph. Even reading something in the newspaper could alter how your perception of the world around you.
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#34405 - 01/22/10 09:38 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Nemesis]
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Nemesis is Vengeance?
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#34406 - 01/22/10 09:51 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Nemesis]
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Nem,

You distinguish "personality" and "thinking". I understand you mean by "personality" the way of treating poeple.

But the OP question was
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When you realized you were a Satanist, did it change your personality? If not, did it change the way you talk or act? ...
So here one could not change his personality but treat poeple differently...

If the personnality is to be understood as the "I" who thinks, then I think the personnality does not change. From here comes that infinitly repeated sentence under various forms: "Satanists are borned, not made".

However, as Korsybsky said "The map is not the terrain" and the behaviour depends well on the map and not on the terrain (so here probably what you call "Thinking"). The behaviour is the result of the interraction between the I and the map. Like you said, even reading a newspaper can lead you to review substancially your map. And even if not it will leave traces on the map anyway...

So, reading TSB and "realising you're a Satanist" leads to profound review of the map. And, as the I is represented on the map (I mean, one always has a representation of himself) have a big impact on the behaviour, labelling oneself as Satanist will probably impact the behaviour.

But it takes time to erase and redraw a new map and as long this is "under construction" the behaviour can become inconsistant or stupid !
For instance, many come with questions like "what should I do for being a good Satanist?" It's totally unsatanic, in consequence inconsistant and stupid. It's coming to Satanism with the same mindset than when going to other RHP religion : the "please tell me what to do/what to think" attitude.

So, behaviour changes when realising one's Satanism but the personality does not. Whatever the map is, the way the I behaves in front of it stays constant.

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#34409 - 01/22/10 10:46 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Nemesis]
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Nemesis=monkey.

Think...

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#34411 - 01/22/10 10:55 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: soul]
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Have a nice day...
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#34412 - 01/22/10 11:07 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Fabiano]
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In a way, yes, I do distinguish "personality" from "thinking". "Personality" is generally only perceived by others. If you never met another human being, how would you be aware that you were narcissistic? Or perverted? If I only had myself to talk to, how would I know if I were chatty or introverted? Just some examples.

Certainly that is not to say that thinking in and of itself would NOT change one's personality. On the contrary, it's the driving force for so many of us, in ways we may have not even realized as of yet. Looking back, 20 years from now, it may seem crystal clear, but in the present, we see through a glass darkly.

The way that soul presented his perception was that Satanism changed his way of thinking a bit, but didn't affect him otherwise. That would be like me finding out that fish had their own language. Amazing in and of itself, that revelation would not change my personality. However, it might change the way I think about fish, and may have some reluctance to eat them if I knew they were intelligent enough to talk trash behind my back whilst floating in their 75 gallon tank. But if said trash-talking fish were to be so ungrateful as to deride the person that feeds them, I might eat them out of spite ;\)
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#34416 - 01/23/10 04:54 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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Well I believe that ones personality always changes while at the same time retaining that red line that somehow connects one through these changes (this might be and afterthough though when ones looks back upon what it was that made me choose "ideology x".

Upon reading about and associating oneself with some ideology I believe you always change more or less. At times it may be a case of reading someones words that I already have formulated independently in my own head. At other times it may be new ideas about thing I never even thought about but that makes sense when I read about it. Or thirdly it may be ideas that at first doesnt seem to make sense but overtime as I analyze them they make more and more sense in the grand scheme of things.

And even if the #1 case is true I believe one chnges and develops alot of the interest in the ideology is true and sincere. Because it means that you look deeper into it, ead more about it and about its influences. The mind will add more information and the knowledge about a certain thing will increase. And thats the way it should be and I believe thats a good thing.

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#34547 - 01/25/10 01:18 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: TheInsane]
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The initial question was aout personality change. Some said no, some said yes, some others are half-hearted and seem to don't know.

I think it's more due to the lack of a common understanding of personality than to various experiences...

For instance, if the personality is understood as "what the other percieve about us" (Nem) then it can only be the behavior bacause it's all what other can see about us : what we say, what we do, how we say it, how we look, how we move our body, our attitude... Others cannot know what we think, other cannot have access to our map except by what we say about it...
So, our behaviour is always changing, in particular depending on the way we percieve the world (our map).

However, I think there is something that does not change. For instance that undefinable part which makes some to born as Satanists and others not.
I don't think you can start your life as a coward and end it as a brave...

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#34685 - 01/27/10 11:21 PM Re: Did Your Personality Change? [Re: Diavolo]
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No, nothing change from my satanist "conversion". My parents noticed because I told them (i was born in a catholic family). Of course, they didn't like this, but I didn't let that change any of my aspects.
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#34880 - 01/31/10 08:35 PM Re: Did Your Personality Change? [Re: Guido]
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My mother always viewed me as possessed, so I don't think her view of me changed any. No one else really knows, I haven't told them about my life's choices. I just don't feel like bringing it up if it hasn't come up.
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#35362 - 02/09/10 09:53 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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My personality hasn't nor will it ever change. I do not believe that, (actually let me rephrase that for this somehow exuberates uncertainty) Satanism WILL not distort my current personality. What Satanism will do is bestow upon my mind an intellectual seed of which will grow paper flowers of unparallel enlightenment. If my personality were to change it would not be of character, it would be of mind and spirit. I am very dedicated to who I am and I WILL NEVER allow any external being, belief, philosophy, change the content of my character.

My individuality is the fabrication of my essence.
Though I have an infant knowledge of Satanism it would
seem to me that Satanism does endorse individuality.
And for me, to distort my current personality would be
as kin to changing my individuality. For I believe that
prsonality is a branch of individuality.


Peace.


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#36607 - 03/16/10 07:48 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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I know this is an old topic but I'm going to reply anyway.

My personality has always been the same. Reading the TSB basically just gave me a realization to my nature.

I've always known I was a better suited to handle what life threw at me than other people.

In a way it's weird that some of the statements made therein the TSB like "Do unto others as they do unto you" is the way I've always lived by.

So to answer the question no my personality hasn't changed and never will.


Edited by exadust (03/16/10 07:50 PM)
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#36612 - 03/16/10 09:42 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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It simply put a name on my beliefs and way of thinking. I knew I was "outside" mainstream thought on most issues, especially in the heavily Christian conservative South. Did it change the way I act? No, not really. It has allowed me to understand better how I think and thus, has allowed me to analyze my actions within a Satanic context, which helps me to better determine whether a decision or choice was good or bad.
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#36614 - 03/16/10 10:11 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Vlad]
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That's exactly how I feel.

I'm constantly surrounded by Bible carrying miscreants who have nothing better to do then getting their trucks stuck in the mud.

I've always been seen as the outsider. My beliefs never fit the status quote and since I don't bow or conform they feel threatened.

The only thing I can honestly say has changed is that my convictions run deeper!
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#72391 - 11/02/12 06:50 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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We're 4 years later now since coelentrate made this post.
I can admit upon beginning to be more "active" on boards as these there has been a change in personality.
My Satanism now is different from the one I started with upon applying membership here. Parts became more meated out, others started to get more refined and others simply disappeared and recognized as the mistakes they were.

Attitude also changed a bit, also due to real life "accomplishments" and positions as both the progression of my "philosophy" due to mentioned progression. Discussion with DD, D, JK, Morgan resulted in having had my ass served a few times but getting over it and changing things a bit.

In general I can say, it affected a bit my personality but the grand lines remained the same. A lot more has been learned and my personality matured a bit faster. But that's probably not an effect of choosing to wear the label.
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#72496 - 11/04/12 01:10 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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I've been 'practicing' Satanism for less than a year, but I have definitely been noticing changes...ones I like very much. It makes sense to me, as adopting a new philosophy is bound to help you bring out things in yourself you've been suppressing that need to come to the surface, and help you to rid yourself of ideas that no longer work for you...and maybe never did.
It's not just the label ...it's what you do with the new ideas available for your consumption.
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#72502 - 11/04/12 04:52 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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Yes,definitely. I was raised xian and that kind of shit sticks with you as you grow older. Lavey pulled down the vail,to coin a phrase,and I began to see things in a much different light. Although I'm theastic in my nature and practice,I pay Lavey with bringing Satanism out of the dark ages,coined another phrase,and onto the surface of societies consciensenous. I'm much more cynicle and straight to the point these days.
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#72553 - 11/04/12 10:37 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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my personality has definitely changed once i accepted the truth about myself that i am a satanist and i have followed the left hand path for a longtime..i am more comfortable in my skin i am developing a sense of pride and inner strength that was always there.i am getting to know each day who i really am.

i think twice before i make a bad decision i don't just settle for less i want the best i can get.

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#72726 - 11/09/12 06:32 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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Well my temperament did not changed much I think, but my character certainly did.

Some things I am concealing more, and some I stopped doing so.
There is that internal space, were thoughts pop up, theories are tested.

The moment I think a theory is solid can put into practice there are a few trials and when they have a response which gives me advantages they become part of my character.

So when I test these thoughts and theories in a environment which has a "satanic" flavor to it or even an environment which is just the opposite, it sustains or has a negative feedback loop on what my character or personalty eventually will become.

So the answer is Yes.

S.

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#73048 - 11/19/12 12:11 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Fist]
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Realizing I was a Satanist didn't change the way I spoke or acted, it created a flood of "this is what the fuck I am". It was a realization of some sort of connectedness to an idea of disconnectedness. It was a euphoria created by the hindsight of realizing I'm anti and that's alright. Living in opposition offers little comfort, and it was this slight comfort that I grasped from stumbling upon a philosophy that cultivates my nature. Even after tasting this simplicity and fetal tranquility I found myself hating its conformity. I hated its satisfaction and I wanted to rebel against its complacency. Yet here I am, a victim of something human, and not entirely Satanic and still hating. I'm still uncompromising and opposed to Sanati, preferring in sanati
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#73073 - 11/20/12 02:12 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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Actually..my personality at first didn't change at all. I was just as self righteous and a giant ball of nervous/stubborn energy. Mostly labelled between a troll or tenacious. Being neither and both at the same time. Standing on the edge of the fence as often as I could.

Later on, it did change.. I got louder and more obnoxious. Fighting with anyone and everything. It got worse before it got better. Definitely.

Then I found even more. I'm no Satanist and fly the flag of Chaoist/Discordian now but I have to say without that first step, I wouldn't have made it. I jumped in with many expecting me to sink.. I eventually learned to swim.

Thus bringing me to current affairs.
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#73081 - 11/20/12 08:12 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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Org you legend, welcome back.

I find that I'm still the same ole sleepy sort that I always was zzzz(falls asleep)zzzz.

No, but more seriously. I found that my personality didn't change all that much. I still tended to be the same sort of critical and pleasure seeking bugger I always was.


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#73086 - 11/21/12 12:26 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: ]
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Personalities change over time based on experience and circumstance. There is perhaps a core to the person that will always be a little more static. Not to say everyone is destined to be 'that way' from birth until death, but like turning a tanker on the ocean, it takes a longer time.

Perhaps aspects of my personality have come to the fore, whilst others have receded. On a very deep level I am striving for inner peace. Not some airy fairy zen or spiritualist fluff, but acceptance of my own self. From my own observations, this is something that comes with age and wisdom (the older and wiser may wish to disagree!) .

However, since embracing Satanism I have changed. I do not want to call it a nihilistic streak, or being more self-assured but I am less inclined to 'play ball'. Or play nicely with others.

Examples of this come from my recent job hunting here in Japan. For those who don't know, the English teaching industry here in Japan sucks. Contracts are exploitative and so are the companies view of their clients (these are broad brush strokes, and there are many good companies and teachers in Nihon).

However, whilst others will accept certain stipulations in written agreements or work conditions I have pulled companies up on it more than once. Part of this is to get what I feel is an appropriate deal for my employment, and part of it is to be an ansty bugger and a pain in the butt.

When push comes to shove, don't cut your nose off to spite your face. Everything else is game. So, yes I have 'developed/changed'.

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#73218 - 11/26/12 02:52 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Fist]
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Well, I wouldn't say it changed my personality; when I first heard about Satanism I was a teenager, I was growing up physically and psychologically so I think even though it didn't change me it helped me to grow up into the person I am today.

I've always been some kind of "black sheep" in my family and when I first read "The Satanic Bible" it made me feel... relieved, accepted and thanks to that I started to act like the real me, not like the person my family and teachers wanted me to be so, for me, the "discover" of Satanism was a support, a guide while growing up but also what gave me the courage to show the world who I really am.

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#107366 - 06/29/16 05:35 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Fist]
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In my experience, personalities are like band-aids, whereas aspects are more who we innately are.

I delved into my various personalities and aspects when I was in my mid-thirties... I gave them gummy names (which were relevant at the time) and actually started to consciously watch them come and go and interact in my everyday life. I suspect humans have the same or similar aspects, but our personalities can be very different because they result from our individual environments.

Aspects...
The Goddess - which probably represents my true essence and who I would be if all the shit was stripped away.
The sorceress - this is the maths/science pragmatic aspect - the mental body.
The beast - my instinct. Hot blooded.
The Assassin - cold blooded... the thing that reminds you to breathe after your second auto-pilot has clapped out - a bit like a Terminator.

Personalities...
The Baby Girl - a part of myself that broke away when I was 3yo and then for many years became my most prominant personality.
The Rebellious Teen - an older sister that sometimes pulled rank to save the younger personality's arse.

It was good to separate them and interesting to observe. I began to see what was driving me in certain situations and learned to engage certain aspects at will.

When I was younger I was very much a pleaser who had a problem saying "No." In my early forties I came across "The Four Agreements" and invoked the second one in particular... "Don't take things personally..." At first when I said "No" I would feel guilty but with work that passed. It took a couple of years to master. Now I seriously couldn't give a fuck - saying "No" is so easy. And on the odd occasion when I do accidentally say "Yes", I have no qualms about changing my decision.

And a few months after I accomplished that I had a mental epiphany and the little girl personality completely dissipated overnight, as did her sister who was only there for her protection anyway.

I wouldn't have thought it possible to completely abolish such a prominent personality - I mean she controlled just about everything in my life! And I liked her - it didn't matter what whorish thing I did, I had an eternal innocence - men loved her. I was one of those women that still wore Hello Kitty jewellery and cute hair ties, and then overnight it all completely vanished and her needs and fetishes vanished along with it.

I thought if she ever disappeared that I would miss her. I didn't know who I would be if she ever left. But I don't miss her. It has been a couple of years and I have never missed her or her hair ties. I feel stronger.

In conclusion, I believe changing or shedding personalities is more to do with healing than with Satanism. However, if Satanism was the machine that perpetuated your healing than it certainly is likely that it helped change your personality.
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#107546 - 07/10/16 09:23 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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Interestingly enough, yes. The day after reading LaVey's essay on lycanthropy I noticed that there was hair where there was no hair before. There was this tingling sensation in my core. My voice started changing. I found myself attracted to those I had once considered icky and repulsive. Some have reported bleeding spontaneously and for no reason, but this was not the case with me (fortunately). In any case I found myself somewhat more self-aware around those who were afflicted by this bleeding thingy for some reason.

Some say this might be a coincidence, but these symptoms are way too freaky and idiosyncratic to attribute to anything else but the devil.
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#108322 - 08/27/16 03:47 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I believe that god did a giant crap on my head and I have developed the tendency to want to hit my mother and father with a vagina until they explode into a big ball of flame.
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#108324 - 08/28/16 02:14 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: venomcultist]
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Thanks for resurrecting another topic to post on. \:\)

Did my personality change?

Naw, I'm still a defiant fuck that takes stands on every little thing.

What did change is how I take my stands. There's an eye for hypocrisy and need for honesty with myself that little drama queen bitch of 4 years ago didn't have. And all I need was that example to say, "I didn't really use to be like that, did I?"
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#108530 - 09/09/16 07:59 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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 Originally Posted By: coelentrate
When you realized you were a Satanist, did it change your personality?

While I could certainly take issue with any one of the several varieties of satanic philosophy, one of the more reasonable, and consistent, elements would be its use as a descriptive tool (not a prescriptive standard) pertaining to anyones given behavior, adherence to indoctrination, or lack thereof. The nature of your language suggest that one discovers a "prescriptive standard Satanism", potentially producing ones personality, rather than the more genuine discovery of "descriptive tool Satanism" which explains that personality already present. One is an addition of nomenclature, whereas the other is basic fanboyism.

 Originally Posted By: coelentrate
If not, did it change the way you talk or act?

The addition of nomenclature is by definition a change in, or specification of, language utilized within a given science or philosophy. This evolution of vocabulary will occur regardless of ones being genuine or fanboy, as the only requisite is being exposed to, and regurgitating, new terminology. The use and accuracy of said terminology is determined by ones approach being descriptive or prescriptive, thus indicating an observation of inherent traits, or an adherence to sub-cultural expectation. Again, an issue of adaptation vs fanboyism.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
My Satanism now is different from the one I started with upon applying membership here.

Likely because your "Satanism" pertains more to this forum than practical application.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Parts became more meated out, others started to get more refined

You studied other forum members and learned to emulate them, adapting to the nomenclature and placing terms where you were socially expected to, with no requirement to demonstrate the verisimilitude thereof.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
and others simply disappeared and recognized as the mistakes they were.

You ceased to demonstrate any of those behaviors which violated the tenants of the subculture you were submitting an application to.


Edited by N913 (09/09/16 08:02 AM)

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#108536 - 09/09/16 01:21 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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 Originally Posted By: N913
Likely because your "satanism" pertains more to this forum than practical application.

While this is the place I frequent most, my presence is not limited to this one. I'll have to admit that "Satanism" here in Europe isn't as big and down-trodden as the U.S. which makes gatherings and convents quite rare or even non-existant.

However, my living and breathing remains unknown to many of the people here. Something which I pretty much prefer.


 Originally Posted By: N913
You studied other forum members and learned to emulate them, adapting to the nomenclature and placing terms where you were socially expected to, with no requirement to demonstrate the verisimilitude thereof.

Do you expect me to follow the lead of a chosen few you deem 'worthy'? Yes, I observe. The same way I learned cooking. I observe and emulate and draw my own conclusions. Not following your (or any one elses) "cookbook" gives me enough versatility to call out bullshit.

Besides, since when did adopting nomenclature to broadens ones linguistic powress become "emulation"? Not all words are immediatly known to me (despite being one of the few multilinguists here) and I will adapt certain nomenclature if I find they can convey the message more fluently.

Mouses to elephants...

 Originally Posted By: N913
You ceased to demonstrate any of those behaviors which violated the tenants of the subculture you were submitting an application to.

Demonstrate to whom? You? A failed journalist and petty ONA nut-swinger?

Tell me... did you fail or flunk?
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#108539 - 09/09/16 03:01 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
 Originally Posted By: N913
Likely because your "satanism" pertains more to this forum than practical application.

While this is the place I frequent most, my presence is not limited to this one.

I literally laughed out loud just now. I'll try to keep in mind that your Satanism is on more than one internet forum... lol.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
 Originally Posted By: N913
You studied other forum members and learned to emulate them, adapting to the nomenclature and placing terms where you were socially expected to, with no requirement to demonstrate the verisimilitude thereof.

Do you expect me to follow the lead of a chosen few you deem 'worthy'? Yes, I observe. The same way I learned cooking. I observe and emulate and draw my own conclusions. Not following your (or any one elses) "cookbook" gives me enough versatility to call out bullshit.

I rest my case. Your thing is 'calling bullshit' and thats fine and all, only you require someone else to substantiate you by offering the content in the first place. That draws a line between you, and those other guys able to manifest their own content. Just saying. See, you can use the words in a reactionary manner, but you cannot command them, because you lack that which the terms actually indicate...

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Besides, since when did adopting nomenclature to broadens ones linguistic powress become "emulation"? Not all words are immediatly known to me (despite being one of the few multilinguists here) and I will adapt certain nomenclature if I find they can convey the message more fluently.

The issue is not its use, but its intention. One can utilize terms which do not accurately represent their character. Just look around.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
 Originally Posted By: N913
You ceased to demonstrate any of those behaviors which violated the tenants of the subculture you were submitting an application to.

Demonstrate to whom? You? A failed journalist and petty ONA nut-swinger? Tell me... did you fail or flunk?

Neither. I made Deans List repeatedly, and was awarded numerous Golden Leaf Grants, during my college years. I was at odds with the red-tape and legalities of journalism, and so during a Law and Ethics class, I wrote a "Fuck You" letter to the Governor and my Professor, emailed it to each of them, and dropped out instead of finishing the semester and interning at a radio station. I still have the letter saved somewhere around here. More details at your request.

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#108541 - 09/09/16 03:32 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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Well my dear Darryl, I'm not making a game about it.
I've been here for some time. That's correct. Long enough to have seen many people rise, crash, burn, re-invent, burn some more and dissappear.

Yes. My talking about Satanism is indeed limited to 600club and the SoTHG. I see no reason to wear and flip out pentagrams in daily life. Talking and flashing the symbols around do not constitute to the kind of Satanism I follow. That's a phase for the unexperienced and unknowledgeable to stay in. I generally get on with life and indulge in those things I find pleasurable without having the need to refer my environment the "Satanity" of my attitude. So yeah... pardon me for not putting out tons of wordpress-blogs who, at best, will draw attention to the same 20 or so wankers frequently encountered. I'm not a pleaser.

 Originally Posted By: N913

Neither. I made Deans List repeatedly, and was awarded numerous Golden Leaf Grants, during my college years. I was at odds with the red-tape and legalities of journalism, and so during a Law and Ethics class, I wrote a "Fuck You" letter to the Governor and my Professor, emailed it to each of them, and dropped out instead of finishing the semester and interning at a radio station.

This is a joke right? "I made the Deans list"? How utterly impressive... during college even!!! My my...

What a bad boy you are...
You remind me of a situation back when we had during our last national elections. I was chosen to be the secretary/ vice-president in one of the polling places from my district. There was this one guy who did not want to vote and refused to register his presence. (Up here in Belgium we have a sort of compulsory voting system [not compulsory to vote but compulsory presence]).
We let him have his way but warned him that if we couldn't register his presence that it could imply legal sanctions. Just like yourself he gave it a big "fuck you", got a legal fine and we just shrugged our shoulders. No one was really impressed. Just another autist set in his ways hoping to earn some "credits" one way or another.
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#108546 - 09/09/16 06:12 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
...I've been here for some time.
...My talking about Satanism is indeed limited to 600club and the SoTHG.
...the kind of Satanism I follow.
...I was chosen to be the secretary/ vice-president in one of the polling places from my district.

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#108550 - 09/10/16 01:55 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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So.. your point being?
What kind of ghosts are you trying to hunt?

Spill the beans.

Also, do try to give a substantiated response.
Unless you've forgotten the house-rules here and want to re-start drama for having been temporarily "removed".
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#108558 - 09/10/16 11:10 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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I assure you, Dimitri, that any drama produced will be of your own production. I offer observation. How people feel about my views are not my concern. When I address the failure of ones logic, and they reply with "forum rules" this, and "Ill tell the mods" that, well, enjoy your "satanism". My point is obvious.
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#108562 - 09/10/16 12:55 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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Ok guys I kidnapped Leonard, I have him tied up in a bath naked, I've been feeding him toast with barbeque tongs...
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#108572 - 09/10/16 06:40 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: venomcultist]
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Considering how Satanism is altering the context in which I put my own entity, it is very much likely to have changed my personality. After all, I'm still enjoying my choices.
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#108585 - 09/11/16 02:31 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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Perhaps your observations are biased to the extend you forget things as "personal choice" and "general decency".
They're quite easy to grasp. Your failure to recognize these two factors is generally the reason why you're being ridiculed or kicked aside.
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#108594 - 09/11/16 11:53 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Perhaps your observations are biased to the extend you forget things as "personal choice" and "general decency".

Or perhaps it is my choice to disregard what others deem general decency, and favor instead a standard of my own. I realize that independent though may be a concept perhaps foreign to conformist sycophants, in need of that login-logout social justification? A sense of belonging I need not. Its an endless source of amusement, that call for orthodoxy and conformity, ringing aloud from under the banner painted in supposed heterodox and independence. I wouldn't worry too very much, Dimitri. I'm certain they accept you, and care for you deeply, learning so much as they do from your profound and insightful post. Now, post something unoriginal, and don't forget the winky-face. Its that winky-face that blows us all away...

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
They're quite easy to grasp. Your failure to recognize these two factors is generally the reason why you're being ridiculed or kicked aside.

If Ive been "kicked" whatsoever, Ive yet to notice. I feel like you take this all too seriously. You're overly invested in something that isn't actually very important. Also, its revealing when you put forth that fallacy whereas you suggest that anyone who disagrees with you is "failing to understand". Is it not entirely possible that someone could understand your position fully, and yet disagree with you as well? I'm that someone, Dimitri. Thats me. Now, if you'd like to appear as an intellectual big-boy, lets operate in the field of opinion and debate, rather than heralding ourselves (and by ourselves I mean you alone) as Satanic Internet Lords of Logic. Its a bit tired at this point. Besides, how do you manage to find the time to be a biologist, to run all the poles and votes of your area, and to be the King of the 600 Club? There just aren't enough hours in the day.

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#108597 - 09/11/16 12:50 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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Some men seek Satan in the shallowst of places.
Eager to debate whether or not a choice should or could be compatible with the illustrous "Satanic" image that fills their mindspace.

You claim to lack a sense of belonging yet your history provides indications where renown was sought. For what other reason did you coin N913, interrogist and many other terms in the open if it were but a personal philosophy? That which is personal tends to be kept to itself, not shared for anyone to read and find.

Since 2012 you have been desperate to cling onto and undermine the "popular" vision and state of Satanism. Many futile attempts to dissect, discard and disprove of its current state. It is but an illusory ghostly image you are trying to hunt. In these last 4 years you have failed to change or see the error in your own ways. Only shamefully covering up previous traces through online deletion, disappearance (and re-appearance) in hopes people forgot about your brain-farts. Re-inventing yourself by rehearsing the same shit in a new jacket. Why are you trying to proof yourself to us? Are you that insecure?

As for this question:

 Originally Posted By: N913
Besides, how do you manage to find the time to be a biologist, to run all the poles and votes of your area, and to be the King of the 600 Club?

It's called time-management. All mentioned took course in the span of the last few years. There's many other things I did but which I haven't brought up (yet?).

Am I a Satanic herald?
Only by my detractors' standards it seems.
I generally have my fun and ways... ;\) (<--- as by popular demand).
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#108614 - 09/11/16 10:58 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
You claim to lack a sense of belonging yet your history provides indications where renown was sought. For what other reason did you coin N913, interrogist and many other terms in the open if it were but a personal philosophy? That which is personal tends to be kept to itself, not shared for anyone to read and find.

Since 2012 you have been desperate to cling onto and undermine the "popular" vision and state of Satanism. Many futile attempts to dissect, discard and disprove of its current state. It is but an illusory ghostly image you are trying to hunt. In these last 4 years you have failed to change or see the error in your own ways. Only shamefully covering up previous traces through online deletion, disappearance (and re-appearance) in hopes people forgot about your brain-farts. Re-inventing yourself by rehearsing the same shit in a new jacket. Why are you trying to proof yourself to us? Are you that insecure?

Your image of me is rather hilarious. I'm not nearly as pompous as you think, and not nearly as concerned with others beliefs as I am with my own personal development and experience. In fact, you obviously weren't paying attention when I wrote this a while back. If you ever want to do more than speculate and parody, I'll send you a copy of the complete book. You only need to ask.

 Originally Posted By: Foreword To Vindex913
In feverish pursuit of philosophical or political branding, some fashionable affiliation or claim to an intellectual position to establish their correctness and belonging, the commoner strives. Their affiliations seemingly more important than their correctness, and in turn, their correctness more important than their tenets. This remains consistent across all spiritual and moral dichotomies, political world views, and religious paradigms, whereas supposed polar opposites pretend to combat one another with a set of abstract labels, while each are actually insisting upon the very same notion, that their ideals are the correct ideals, which others ought to adopt after abandoning their own for what is commonly referred to as 'the truth'. No matter the sectarian partisanship arbitrary origin or destination, these 'truths' place the advocates and their would-be purposes, utterly dependent upon the acceptance of their fellow commoners, as though justification itself,either sought or proclaimed, reveal their beliefs to be questions, despite the futile attempts to present them as proclamations of certainty.

Capacity for such observation seems naturally accompanied by exponential immunity, while also begging the question of what exactly separates one from this... This? One may seek to discover any 'actual truths' that may exist beyond those scientifically observed, relentlessly driven forward by this numinous capacity which rages an endless tantrum, overwhelming, undefinable emotions, concepts which couldn't possibly be applied to reason or language, all leading to the only 'truth' whatsoever, that there are no truths. Only Void, or so I refer to it, filled to the brim with nothingness, the roar of silence, the absolution of uncertainty, a fixed spacial point of stillness within the dimensionless depth and berth of infinite chaos.

I am, however, faced with the contradiction of my own past attempts to brand the brand-less, my desire to fix a concordant on that which makes no claim to existence, and for many of you, does not exist. And of course, my reaching out to others to understand and accept something that should only actually matter to myself. Interrogist, N913, Queastellyeah and Void, are, like many abstracts, attempts to pin an understandable term upon an incomprehensible essence, felt and known, yet escaping intellectual analyzation. It teases the flesh, creating strife between that which the heart feels and that which the eyes can see. Wordless Knowing, Wordless Being, one calls it. I can only imagine that certain understandings are born of logical failures, just as balance is often attained via bloodied knees, elbows, and blows to the head. I have no intention of withdrawing or removing these expressions, and I may even attempt to improve and specify them, though it is obvious now that I sought only to convince myself that, that which I was undergoing was real, or wasn't, that it mattered, or didn't. Many of those with whom I debated could hardly reason that which I sought to express, as I myself had no control over the process of maturation in question. The only aspect of those several years which continue to cling to my attention are those elements which placed me at necessary odds with particular individuals manifesting 218, WSA, and THEM, whom I offer an equal measure of apology and gratitude.

So given the situation, the demeanor I have allowed to misrepresent my character in the past, why would I feel the need to continue writing publicly pertaining to Void, Vindex, Queastellyeah, and Homo Galacticus? Why would I continue attempting to explain and elaborate upon this series of abstracts which I have constructed in an attempt to convey that I have grasped this inevitably inescapable and unexplainable absence of truth? Simply because on some level, I have become the very force-carrier which seeks to infuse chaos into stagnation, honor into slavery, and dignity into hubris, as the lesser person that I once was, was infused with the passion of Vindex, and the emptiness of Void. Because the empty cup holds infinite potential, and the full cup is bound to that which fills it. Perhaps Queastellyeah is my attempt to drill a hole in the bottom of your cup, in order that room is made for spacelessness and Void. Not because it is needed, and not for any notion of correctness, or necessity. Only because beyond any and all intellectual consideration for yourselves, I loath humanities certainty, and it matters very little in what regard. Nobility, like insight, is not a shared venture, it is a personal quest, a lonely road with many forks, none of which lead to ones desired destination, and yet, one continues to walk...


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#108615 - 09/12/16 01:33 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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 Originally Posted By: N913
In fact, you obviously weren't paying attention when I wrote this a while back.

That's correct. I do not tend to follow people around to see what they're up to in their special nooks and crannies of the internet.

And so it seems, as predicted, you are re-inventing yourself by rehearsing the ol' shit again.

With every attempt you make to prove the opposite, you're confirming the image.


Edited by Dimitri (09/12/16 01:33 AM)
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#108617 - 09/12/16 10:28 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
 Originally Posted By: N913
In fact, you obviously weren't paying attention when I wrote this a while back.

That's correct. I do not tend to follow people around to see what they're up to in their special nooks and crannies of the internet. And so it seems, as predicted, you are re-inventing yourself by rehearsing the ol' shit again.

So you have admitted, to yourself and to others, that your passing of judgment is unfounded and uniformed? I'm not certain as to the nature of your obsession with me, flattering as it may be, but let us look at the facts for a moment. I login to 600 Club once every four to six months to have a look around and catch up with old friends. I stay for a week or two, and then I am on my way for another four to six months. You are on 600 Club seemingly every hour of the day, as though this, and this alone, substantiates and validates your claim to being or knowing, whatever it is that you claim to be or know. Some sort of socially acceptable internet Satanism, that you admit you've never spoken of in the real... You log in to 600 Club to play the Devil (poorly I might add) and when you log out you live a completely different life. These are your own words, in the comments above.

My personal development, my exploration, and my writing, is a collection of, and expression of, experience spanning three and a half decades, thousands of miles, various cultures, ups and downs, and duration of consequence. Sure, I've embarrassed myself, and I've been wrong, but this comes with the territory when one is bold enough to create, to plant a flag, to risk failure, for in so doing one also creates, establishes, and succeeds. You wouldn't have to worry about failure or embarrassment, because you haven't created anything, you haven't established anything, and no one expects you to, or thinks you can. I own my failures proudly, I adore them, Dimitri, and everyone knows why, if they have any of their own. I have venture and a name, for better or worse. Do you? No. You don't.

To this you compare your own "Satanism that exist only on 600 Club (and one other website, lol)". These are your own words. Regardless of the nature of my publications, and regardless of their popularity in the eyes of our peers, each time you come nipping at my heels, it is in the context of my publication, as you simply have none of your own. You must attack my work, and attempt to beckon others to your opinion, because you have no work, no flags planted, no risk taken, no meaningful opinions offered, no publications, no collaborations, and because others have nothing to see of you, except for your obsession with me. You're welcome, Dimitri.

VoidBrim stands, Queastellyeah stands, N913 stands, The Interrogistic Methodology stands. My history, affiliations, and publications with the Temples of our age, stands. I am far from perfect, and I'll be the first to admit that fact, but I am curious if you, Dimitri, have ANYTHING whatsoever that compares? To be honest, I think not? And so, I will continue to fail, and to succeed, to make people think and to laugh, I'll make them angry and pleased, I'll be accepted and rejected alike, but you ... will be none of the above, unless I grant it to you in the form of my own spotlight.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
With every attempt you make to prove the opposite, you're confirming the image.

And yet the image with which you obsess is mine. Where is your image, Dimitri? Oh, thats right. Don't worry though. My nuts are huge. Just grab a handful, and hang on.


Edited by N913 (09/12/16 10:36 AM)

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#108624 - 09/12/16 01:17 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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It seems I'm striking your nerves pretty well.
Insecurities are flaring up on your part.

I fail to see "obsession" towards your person in the statements made. I mean... ". I do not tend to follow people around to see what they're up to in their special nooks...." is quite easy to understand and certainly doesn't indicate obsession.

I see you boasting about "methodologies", "temples", blogs and publications. So what? You want to make a change? Do you believe it is a broken world you live in? Good for ya. Go right ahead and don't stop. Just don't bother others with it when it has been made clear they do not share, nor support, the same ideas (that's perhaps the clearest statement for you to fuck off).

 Originally Posted By: N913
Where is your image, Dimitri?

As opposed to you, it will stand boldly erect among the people where it counts. It stands within the Sect. It stands here among a few members I've chosen to associate with more privatly and it stands IRL among my friends and associates. Slightly more tangible than a lulu.com book with barely any sales or renown.


I shall repeat my question once again: why do you have this succicent need to prove yourself?
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#108626 - 09/12/16 02:51 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
It seems I'm striking your nerves pretty well. Insecurities are flaring up on your part.

You say that quite often, and I'm sure its important for you to think so. Truth is, this is the internet, and I couldn't care less what anyone here thinks. This is about me, so its more an issue of vanity than insecurity. I offer input and observe the effect it has on different personality types and egos. This is a study in human nature, a testing of my assumptions, and a honing of my skills in navigating the intellectually deficient like yourself. I'm just not nearly as invested in this as you suppose. You get so wrapped up in this internet stuff that your comments hardly reflect the OP of any given thread. Ask yourself what that implies.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I fail to see "obsession" towards your person in the statements made.

And you could prove that quite easily by not commenting any more, or perhaps focusing on the OP of the thread, but I'm not expecting anything more than ad hom, and non sequitur, if you want to know the truth. You are just an endless struggle to get the last word, even if you have nothing to actually say.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I do not tend to follow people around to see what they're up to in their special nooks... is quite easy to understand and certainly doesn't indicate obsession.

Actually, in the comments above, you made it quite clear that this little nook of the internet is the only place that you even mention Satanism whatsoever, soooo lol, you have made claims to never doing a thing that you also claim to do exclusively. Where I'm from, people like you are referred to as being "Touched".

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I see you boasting about "methodologies", "temples", blogs and publications. So what?

I'm not boasting, Dimitri. I'm asking if you have anything that compares? You attack my work, and so I'd like to take a look at your own, and return the favor, but for the life of me I just cant find ... anything! Certainly you've produced ... something? Certainly you've associated with ... someone meaningful? I cant imagine that you'd take such a position on my efforts, having made no efforts of your own?

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
You want to make a change?

non sequitur

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Do you believe it is a broken world you live in? Good for ya.

non sequitur

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Go right ahead and don't stop. Just don't bother others with it when it has been made clear they do not share, nor support, the same ideas (that's perhaps the clearest statement for you to fuck off).

Who are these "they" you are speaking for? Have three people join this thread and acknowledge that they have elected you as their speaker, and that "fuck off" is their position. You do that, and I'll drop it and log out. What you are ignoring is that of all the people to have told me to "fuck off", they didn't need help getting it done. They didn't hold hands or band together, and when they said "fuck you", there wasn't any "they" or "we" involved. This brings us back to my first point, also. If your position is that I should "fuck off" and that you disagree with my works, that fine, I can still sleep at night (believe it or not). I'm just curious what it is you would care to counter with? Where are your works, your productions, your statements, your proclamations? If I'm so wrong, well, then what's right? I'm listening.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
 Originally Posted By: N913
Where is your image, Dimitri?

As opposed to you, it will stand boldly erect among the people where it counts. It stands within the Sect.

LOL, well aren't you the peoples dick! As I has imagined, you named another website. Like I said before, I have no respect for that login-logout Satanism. Its a lot of claims without evidence, and punks hiding behind weak philosophy and moderator buttons, banning people who disagree with them, because its easier than having answers or doing deeds. I'm sure you fit right in.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
It stands here among a few members I've chosen to associate with more privatly and it stands IRL among my friends and associates. Slightly more tangible than a lulu.com book with barely any sales or renown.

If you'd be so kind as to have those few come out and speak on your behalf, I'd thank you very much. Until then, blow it out your ass. No one here respect you, Dimitri. This is a fact.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I shall repeat my question once again: why do you have this succicent need to prove yourself?

I don't actually. I am what I am. And when I discovered the term Satanism, my personality didn't change at all. You do realize this thread has a topic, right?

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#108627 - 09/12/16 06:01 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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this comes with the territory when one is bold enough to create, to plant a flag, to risk failure, for in so doing one also creates, establishes, and succeeds... I have venture and a name, for better or worse... Regardless of the nature of my publications, and regardless of their popularity in the eyes of our peers... VoidBrim stands, Queastellyeah stands, N913 stands, The Interrogistic Methodology stands. My history, affiliations, and publications with the Temples of our age, stands.


You just can't be serious. What temples of our age were you associated with? You mean those o9a internet nexions? Cyber collective fanboys?

What flags have you planted? What exactly have you accomplished with your online ramblings in the form of blogs or a few published books? You're just one internet ranter among many other internet ranters, including Dimitri, me and all other users here and elsewhere. Get real. This is just a casual online banter and you are one of the many participants. You're by no means a special snowflake.

I post here more often than Dimi. Does that make me the queen of 600 Club? I come here for the banter, for entertainment. I set up a blog to practice creative writing and to tease the Inner ONA cute chihuahuas and, perhaps, have some little debate with them from time to time. Another reason why I'm here and on WordPress is to learn something new, to gain some more information. When I participate in discussions, I sometimes have to look for additional info so either I learn things that I didn't know before or knew them earlier but forgot about them. Another reason is showing off. Yeah sue me. What's wrong with showing off or seeking attention? Why are these things suddenly a sin? If I know something or feel imaginative, I see no reason why I should refrain from showing my peacock feathers. If others think they have prettier tails, they can try to outdo me. \:\)

The difference between you and me is that I don't treat it as "work" or an "achievement." It's a silly and delusional way of thinking. I'm not deluding myself that my posts or blogs are a milestone in the LHP philosophy or the superb contribution to Satanism. It's for me just one of creative ways of spending my free time. Dimi calls that fapping but to each their own. I'm fapping on WordPress, he's fapping on the Sect of the Horned God website.

I would also like to remind you that you put a lot of effort in pimping your personal "philosophy" to everyone possible.

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You said lol what? How can you study human nature online if most of the people there you have never met? Dimi can be a nobody and a loser but he can also be an accomplished person in his professional life. You can't say one way or another unless you get to know him personally. You also can't know how and if he applies Satanism in his daily life. The same goes for all other people met online.
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#108629 - 09/12/16 07:53 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
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this comes with the territory when one is bold enough to create, to plant a flag, to risk failure, for in so doing one also creates, establishes, and succeeds... I have venture and a name, for better or worse... Regardless of the nature of my publications, and regardless of their popularity in the eyes of our peers... VoidBrim stands, Queastellyeah stands, N913 stands, The Interrogistic Methodology stands. My history, affiliations, and publications with the Temples of our age, stands.

You just can't be serious.

Yes, I am quite serious. 99% of the Satanism over the past several go-to satanic forums online, have been primarily cool-kids clubs, all patting one another on the back for agreeing to agree with one another. You can laugh at I.M. all you want, but I'm laughing too, at everyone joining clubs and bragging about church memberships, and how accepted, and loved, they are by their club people. I'd rather eat shit than have to ask other people to tell me what to think. How is the Sect of the Horned God telling you what to think, any better than the Church of Christ telling you what to think? Fuck Dimitri, and fuck the Sect, too. All these satanist claiming independence, but attacking anything independent of their control and dictation. I find it all to be very childish.

I'm not saying that I.M. is super special to any of you, but it certainly is important to me, because I have openly displayed my personal development, for what, five, six, years now. I'd rather have genuine experience and zero respect, than to have all the respect in the world, because I conformed to social pressure and club memberships. So am I special? You're god damn right I am. Other people join clubs, I debate their philosophies. Other people join philosophical sects, I create them. Other people claim to be superman, I show you my failures and disappointments without shame. I'm a real human being, not an act.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
What temples of our age were you associated with? You mean those o9a internet nexions? Cyber collective fanboys?

If by "fanboys" you mean, Temple of THEM, WSA, and 218, then absolutely. I have no shame in my reverence for these few individuals within who assisted in my personal development. Ryan A, above all the rest. And no, Anna, it did not all take place online.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
What flags have you planted? What exactly have you accomplished with your online ramblings in the form of blogs or a few published books? You're just one internet ranter among many other internet ranters, including Dimitri, me and all other users here and elsewhere. Get real. This is just a casual online banter and you are one of the many participants. You're by no means a special snowflake.

The fallacy of your thinking is called Conformation Bias. If you only look online, you will only see online. My experience is not limited to your scope of my experience. In fact, you cannot even grasp the scope of that which I have accomplished online. Who am I one the other forums? What names have I published under? How many Sects do I observe, unknown? Well?

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
I post here more ... I come here for the ... I set up a blog to ... I'm here and on WordPress ... I participate in ... I sometimes have ... I learn things that ... Another reason is showing off ... seeking attention ... If I know something ... I see no ... I should ... my peacock feathers ... they can try to outdo me.

I'm sorry, I thought this was a post about no one being a special snowflake, but then you got side-tracked telling me about how you're a special snowflake ... ?

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
The difference between you and me is that I don't treat it as "work" or an "achievement."

The difference between you and I, is that I feel no need to compare myself to you, Anna. That you feel the need to tell me that my achievements are not achievements, is an achievement in and of itself.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
It's a silly and delusional way of thinking. I'm not deluding myself that my posts or blogs are a milestone in the LHP philosophy or the superb contribution to Satanism.

Its milestones in my personal development, fuck paths, left and right. Also, fuck Satanism. You keep trying to rebuke me, yet have no idea what my post and books are about. Can't you see that this is about me? I couldn't care any less about paths, communities, or cultures. Please laugh at me, please reject me, because I couldn't imagine taking part in all the back-patting, mock-agreeing, and belonging, club memberships, you guys are always on about. N913, take it or leave it. Queastellyeah dissolving it. Void of it, Brimming with it... You get it or you don't.

Oh, and by the way. This thread actually has a topic. Check out the OP.


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#108631 - 09/12/16 09:10 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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*chortles* just so we're clear: what the fuck is conformation bias, again?

 Originally Posted By: N9
take it or leave it. Queastellyeah dissolving it. Void of it, Brimming with it...
HA! I am going to call the nearest Mexican restaurant and finalize my order with those exact fucking words \:\/
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#108632 - 09/12/16 09:20 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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You didn't understand a word of what I was saying. My point is that everything we produce online, all our contributions are in the grand scheme of things insignificant. That means they are purely leisure activities while the "work" takes place offline. Philosophising doesn't give birth to wisdom, which comes solely from experience.

Please tell me what you expect from an internet forum except casual banter. Do you associate a forum with Satanism? I somehow don't see people here patting each other on the back. On the contrary, there are often squabbles and differing views. Either here or on my blog I post what I want and nobody is telling me what to think or write. I'm not an expert on the Sect of the Horned God but I think they focus mainly on socializing rather than teaching some Satanic dogmas as you imagine.

You constantly brag about your non - conformity and rebelliousness and give an example of debating other people's philosophies. I participated in enough online debates and, unless one has some serious mental issues, it doesn't cost even half a penny to stand up to this or that idiot. You also make assumptions about the people you really don't know.

There is just one thing Darryl that I don't understand. Why do you revere people who troll the shit out of you and call you vulgar names? I don't get it. My approach is "Do unto others as they do unto you."
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#108633 - 09/12/16 11:07 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
My point is that everything we produce online, all our contributions are in the grand scheme of things insignificant. + That means they are purely leisure activities while the "work" takes place offline. + Philosophising doesn't give birth to wisdom, which comes solely from experience. + Please tell me what you expect from an internet forum except casual banter. + Do you associate a forum with Satanism?

You seem rather desperate to project a parody of me, as if I live and breath the internet, as if the context of everything I say is relevant only to being online. Not only is this laughably untrue, but quite the opposite is the case. You, Dimitri, and nearly everyone else I could name from The 600 Club, is here every single day, every month, and every year. I can leave this forum for four to six months, and if I come back to have a look, all of you are right here posting the same old thing you were six months before that. I can leave this forum for another four to six months, and come back to have a look, and all of you are still right here posting the same old thing you were for the eight months to a year before that. How do you reason that I am online all the time, if I only come by every several months? How is it that I base everything on the internet, and yet you spend profoundly more time online than I do? You have 1466 post, Anna, and I have 253 post... What does that imply?

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
There is just one thing Darryl that I don't understand. Why do you revere people who troll the shit out of you and call you vulgar names? I don't get it.

Perhaps you could be more specific, name names, or give examples?

-This thread has a topic, and its not about me... Start a thread about me if you like.


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#108636 - 09/13/16 12:55 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Persona non grata]
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I was talking about your cyber friendlies you wrote you revered. It's quite laughable that you don't even know who is who.

Anyway, I see I'm talking to a brick wall. Hopeless.
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#108644 - 09/13/16 01:04 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Czereda]
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The limitations on my part which you (N913) consider as valuable arguments AGAINST weighing up your personality can easily be bounced back. For that reason it is quite funny you are using the same arguments to measure up a person whilst proclaiming these same arguments are faulty when it is from the opposing side.

You are contradicting your own words through your behaviour.

This same "gimmick" has been present troughout the years since our first encounter. The same "gimmick" is still present (you're intellectually stagnant).

Your argument also seems to rely on "you admitted to have always been here... me on a 4-6 month hiatus... same people here..hours on an end...".

I do not know about the verbose and textual skills of fellow members here but a response is generally written under 5 minutes. Browsing, reading and replying is generally just half an hour "lost". That's generally the time for me to relax a little after work before I go playing games, swimming, going out... it's peanuts. Otherwise time that would have been spent staring at the ceiling or having a quick wank.

It ain't that much time.


 Originally Posted By: N913
I don't actually. I am what I am. And when I discovered the term Satanism, my personality didn't change at all. You do realize this thread has a topic, right?

Indeed. It has a topic. I answered the question a few pages back before you mindlessly came barging in.



Edited by Dimitri (09/13/16 01:07 PM)
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#108703 - 09/14/16 11:38 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dimitri]
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My external personality has changed slightly throughout the course of the relatively short amount of my life that I've lived. I think the core of my personality has always been the same since early childhood, but I am now more able to express and understand my personality.

I'm not going to go as far as to say I was always a Satanist, but I will say that I had a Luciferian mindset from birth. Becoming a Satanist helped me to recognize that, but it didn't affect my personality.





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#109018 - 09/24/16 11:02 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: coelentrate]
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No. Nothing in my world view changed whatsoever, but then again, I'm theistic and have had some experiences that I consider to be "beyond the flesh" and certainly extended my own relationship past that of LaVeyan thought and into my own personal adaptation of satanic thought and philosophy. My personality is the same as when it was when I was a rather rebellious and articulate child.
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#109828 - 10/29/16 01:17 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Fist]
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Yeah, to a degree i have always been a satanist, i just never knew what to call it. So when i discovered TSB and all of it it didnt really change me because that who i already was, I just "came out of the closet" In a sense.

Off and on For years i would go to different christian churches and just not agree with it, feel out of place and different and like nobody else thought the way i did.
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#109850 - 10/29/16 09:26 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Lahatiel]
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Have to agree to a level. My personality has changed in the sense that I am not so nice anymore. By that I mean I don't go out of my way to be extra nice to anyone the way I used to.

For a few years in my mid twenties I had a time where I dedicated myself to a sort of hippy lifestyle, wherein everyone was equally 'accepting' of one another. It was new to me and I tried it out, but I never fully took to it. Some of it bugged me.

What I found out was that people in this mindset are only as acceptable as your conformity to their lifestyle. They really aren't open minded at all. When I said I didn't want to smoke weed, and that I appreciate masculinity, they wanted less and less to do with me.

So I said fuck you. Went my own way.

Later I picked up The Devil's Notebook, said to myself, this guy makes sense.

Its kind of goofy, LaVeyan Satanism that is. I like that he was very basic and on the point, but it doesn't go much further than that.

My personality has been refined in a few ways taking on a satanic perspective. I wouldn't say I've totally changed.
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#109881 - 10/30/16 09:51 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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No it didn't. If the world around me changed, that may lead to a change of my personality. Yet, everything changes in a way that it stays the same.
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#109892 - 10/31/16 11:49 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: fiendish]
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Personality is the manifestation of the brain. If the brain is full of hormone adrenaline, the personality is fearful and aggressive; if the brain is full of oxytocin, the personality is trusting, sharing and has empathy; if the brain has too much dopamine, the personality is schizophrenic, or too little dopamine, personality is confused, anxious and demotivated. Thoughts, deeds and experiences changes the brain, thus the personality. Satanism comes with the motivation to act and think according to certain ideas, and thus over time brain changes followed by personality.
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#110045 - 11/06/16 05:52 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Zeno]
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So one could say , "I'm not fearful and aggressive, I'm just full of adrenaline". Or skip the first part and just say, "I'm full of adrenaline". Or just say , "I'm fearful and aggressive". Interesting, isn't it? What I mean is that brain is affected by hormones but the choice derives from the personality. You could even ask what kind of conditions trigger the secretion of certain hormones. You could even conclude to the hypothesis that the above feelings result in the secretion of hormones. This completely reverses the situation. For example, if the personality is fearful and aggressive, the body fills with adrenaline. There are external factors that define the mental state and the secretion of hormones. This factor makes the "option" predominant and not a result of some random events. Furthermore, diversity of hormones suggests that their influence is short-lived and that their effect could not be considered as a change that takes place over time. Thus, Satanism for me is offering a choice without a clash with my personality.
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#110059 - 11/07/16 03:34 AM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: fiendish]
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 Originally Posted By: fiendish
You could even conclude to the hypothesis that the above feelings result in the secretion of hormones. This completely reverses the situation. For example, if the personality is fearful and aggressive, the body fills with adrenaline.


Well id have to disagree with your hypothisis there due to The reason being of mental health problems. As we all know, Certain mental health disorders are directly CAUSED And therefore corrected by Various hormones.

People diagnosed with clinical depression are proved to have imbalances in their dopamine and seratonin levels and often times their condition is greatly improved or even fixed with this.

IF outside forces or their Mood in general CAUSED Their dopamine and seratonin levels to drop initially, Medication to raise it back to a normal level wouldnt help because they havnt decided to be "happy " again.

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#110265 - 11/14/16 04:38 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Fist]
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From personal experience, yes on some occasions depending on what type of Satanist you are. I was a theistic Satanist for awhile and my whole personality changed. In my case I did listen to some bull crap on the Joy Of Satan website and actually did change my perspective on life, but after awhile I became a Laveyn Satanist because I found that the TSB actually made sense and not some Nazi bullcrap.
So to awnser your question with some advice it is this. Don't believe everything you hear on these so called Theistic, Satanist websites but always challenge whar you hear and be independent.
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#110268 - 11/14/16 05:13 PM Re: Did your personality change? [Re: Dallas101]
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No not really when I found out more about what Satanism was I came to realise that I've BEEN following Satanist principles without knowing.

After some reading and homework I came to the conclusion that Satanism fit me rather well so I chose to become a satanist.

IF anything has changed I'm more careful with people when discussing religion due to the stigma, Though 1 close friend knows I'm a satanist I didn't tell he figured it out and nothing has changed thankfully.

Overall I'm happier now than I was when I was just an Atheist.

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