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#30782 - 10/25/09 08:38 PM A Little Clarification Please.
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Well several days ago I found myself on wikipedia reading about this thing called LaVeyan Satanism, more so just to have a better understanding of Satanism (people would say, "Satanism has nothing to do with the devil," and id think theyre stupid, why else would they call it that right?). Anyways, i was surprised to see that not only was it not some black magic farce about the devil, but that its philosophies mirrored many of my own, and as such I began to wonder if maybe i should look more seriously into it.

Lo and behold i ended up here reading threads trying to get a better idea of what exactly goes down, and i found that some of the questions i had were asked, but i did not get an answer that i felt was informative enough. so i made an account (which took FOREVER to validate by the way) so i could ask a couple things to maybe suppress my doubt.

firstly, as i scrolled down the wikipedia page, i gave a heavy sigh when i read the Headers "Lesser magic" and "Greater Magic" though as i read on i think it began to sound less stupid.. so is "magic" simply a way to let loose emotions and inhibitions or am i mistaken?

and lastly, I already held similar beliefs as an Atheist(the main one being "the only god worth worshiping is yourself"), why should i bother to call myself a satanist? i understand theres probably a sense of belonging to a little clique of sorts, and you could be a pompous prick to others because of it, which is probably fun. But all in all, to me is kindof seems like Atheism with a dark/gothic motif.

Heres your opportunity to convince me that this is worth including in my life.

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#30784 - 10/25/09 08:57 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Noodler13]
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I doubt if anyone feels the need to convince you of anything. Either it fits you or it doesn't. I for one could not care less if you want to call yourself a Satanist, Pastafarian or Lord of the Rings.
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#30788 - 10/25/09 10:10 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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You are or your not. and has far as convinceing, not my job. if you seriously want to know, read Anton LaVey and go from there.
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#30790 - 10/25/09 10:18 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Noodler13]
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 Originally Posted By: Noodler13
Heres your opportunity to convince me that this is worth including in my life.


Perhaps you're mistaken.

You started off on a solid note when you said you had read a lot of the posts here in the Forums on Satanism prior to even making an account and posting anything on here. kudos!

Where you failed to take your second step is "ASSUMING" were anything like society in that we NEED others to complete us. Whether or not you're a Satanist is up to you and ONLY you. We could really care less who you are or what you think. You might need to convince yourself as opposed to us doing any convincing at all.

Someone suggested reading LaVey's work... this is a good Second Step on your path. Don't stop there with the warm fuzzy feeling inside that you're a Satanist and you've found something cool, keep going. Keep reading. Then you let US know if what you have found is worth your time.

Have a good day.
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#30806 - 10/26/09 11:13 AM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Noodler13]
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 Originally Posted By: Noodler13
Heres your opportunity to convince me that this is worth including in my life.


No one owes you any "convincing" about Satanism. If you are genuinely interested in Satanism, you will read more on the subject on your own (starting with the TSB) and ask honest specific questions if you really want to know more. Satanism is not about recruiting, nor about being too lazy to do your own research. It's not just a label and prejudging it before you've read enough to honestly be informed is not a good start on your part, at all. Take the time to read more than a Wikipedia page and a thread or two here. Ask questions that are worth answering and you may find that the information was worth looking for.
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#30814 - 10/26/09 06:12 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Nyte]
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Why would you feel the need to be Convinced anyway? if I convince you that in fact Satanism would be an Asset to your life, does that also mean you will belive the Kool Aid is going make everything Better? Not trying to be a smartass, just makeing a point.
Second you allow someone to dictate how you who you are and how you live you are no longer in control. in fact, the act of comeing here and asking to be Convinced to make Satanism an aspect of your life you are in fact asking to be controlled. you approaced this group of people in a Submissive Pose, asking to be swayed. and I'm sorry, but it should take more than reading a Internet Encyclopedia Article to even begin to make you ask the serious questions about yourself that lead to the questions regarding Satanism.
Perhaps you should rethink who you are now before you consider Satanism.
I rambled..Sorry bout that.

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#30815 - 10/26/09 07:01 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Night_Shift]
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Thank you for all the replies, but you're all focusing too much on my last sentence. It was meant more or less sarcastically than anything. I realize that you all could not care less whether i call myself a satanist or not, and I am not asking to be controlled because that is way to ironic for my liking. My question about magic remains unanswered and still the one id most like answered.

Edited by Noodler13 (10/26/09 07:02 PM)

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#30816 - 10/26/09 07:19 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Noodler13]
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Then you might want to do a little research. This question has been asked and answered more than once on this Forum. We tend to shy away from spoon feeding people and, quite frankly, it gets a little tedious answering the same question every time someone gets what they THINK is an original thought.

How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.

How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.

How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.

How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.

How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.

How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.

Pretty soon, you begin to avoid ice cream.
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#30818 - 10/26/09 08:30 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Jake999]
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i know what you mean. I'm not surprised magic is commonly asked about, depending on its interpretation it can make you seem like a kook or just someone with a spiritual side. Many said it is up to the individual to decide what it means, but then if i run around the street shouting "AVADA KEDAVRA" am i still a satanist? Or just some nut-bar waving a twig at people? I was hoping maybe we could discuss what Anton LaVey meant when he talked about magic. as i said previously i was under the impression that "magic" and "rituals" were simply forms of self-expression and a release of emotions, and the effects were not physical, but mentally, to give you the strength and confidence to go and do your own dirty work. However, if it was meant to be 'double double toil and trouble' kind of magic, then it reminds me a little too much of prayer.

Overall, I kind of like the idea of calling myself a satanist, not for any warm fuzzy feeling, but just the fact that its the only religion ive ever heard about that sounded worthwhile. I've always embraced the dark side of myself also, so it is rather fitting. Though when i imagine myself as a satanist, for some reason I always visualize myself looking like Edward Cullen, this disturbs me greatly.

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#30823 - 10/26/09 10:10 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Noodler13]
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How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.


Actually you're wrong Jake. That is how you put ice-cream into a cone.

To make an ice-cream cone you first have to get the recepie for wafers. Either sugar wafers or regular wafers.
Mix that up, and roll the dough into a cone shape. THEN you bake it.

Now that's how you make an icecream-CONE.

Guess I will now have to start my own Church of the Cone, for people who actually get it!!
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#30825 - 10/26/09 10:19 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Asmedious]
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Give me cone!!!!

LOL! I stand corrected for sure.
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#30826 - 10/26/09 10:50 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
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How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.


Actually you're wrong Jake. That is how you put ice-cream into a cone.

To make an ice-cream cone you first have to get the recepie for wafers. Either sugar wafers or regular wafers.
Mix that up, and roll the dough into a cone shape. THEN you bake it.

Now that's how you make an icecream-CONE.

Guess I will now have to start my own Church of the Cone, for people who actually get it!!


Ummm, you're wrong too. The mix is actually a batter and is cooked in a waffle type skillet and then wrapped around a cone shaped metal handle, cooled for a couple of seconds and then stored either cold or in a container that holds the cone in shape while it cools. As for the other kind of cones, the batter is first poured into a formed machine that actually heats it evenly, rather than baking. Youtube has a great video from How It's Made.

If you're going to be God of the Church of the Cone, you might want to know how they're actually made.

And since I'm a newbie, I'm now completely done helping side track this discussion. I don't want to get booted on only my second day, so you two are now on your own, again! : )~
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#30828 - 10/26/09 11:30 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Noodler13]
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[quote=Noodler13] as i said previously i was under the impression that "magic" and "rituals" were simply forms of self-expression and a release of emotions, and the effects were not physical, but mentally, to give you the strength and confidence to go and do your own dirty work. However, if it was meant to be 'double double toil and trouble' kind of magic, then it reminds me a little too much of prayer.
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What do you feel ritualistic magick would mean to you? The release or just praying?

If you are truly interested in some of the information on ritualistic magick, then check out some of the information on the internet. You need to remember what may apply for you, may not apply for someone else. How you decide magick may or may not work for you, is exactly that, up to you. Satanism doesn't have a "one all, beats all" definition on the subject you are looking for when it comes to magick. It's completely up to the Satanist themselves to choose if they should use it or not, or in any fashion so desired. If you're so inclined, look up Satanic ritualistic magick and you will find tons of information out there on the internet. Shoot, from what I've seen even here, there's quite a bit of posts on it as well.

You need to remember that you are addressing Satanists and unlike so many other beliefs out there, Satanists choose what works for each one of them and what doesn't, as individuals. You're not asking a definite question about magick, but one that is far too open. Read some more and refine your question and you may get an answer that is worth reading.
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#30831 - 10/27/09 12:37 AM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Noodler13]
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Subject: Re: A Little Clarification Please.

i know what you mean. I'm not surprised magic is commonly asked about, depending on its interpretation it can make you seem like a kook or just someone with a spiritual side. Many said it is up to the individual to decide what it means, but then if i run around the street shouting "AVADA KEDAVRA" am i still a satanist? Or just some nut-bar waving a twig at people? I was hoping maybe we could discuss what Anton LaVey meant when he talked about magic. as i said previously i was under the impression that "magic" and "rituals" were simply forms of self-expression and a release of emotions, and the effects were not physical, but mentally, to give you the strength and confidence to go and do your own dirty work. However, if it was meant to be 'double double toil and trouble' kind of magic, then it reminds me a little too much of prayer.

Overall, I kind of like the idea of calling myself a satanist, not for any warm fuzzy feeling, but just the fact that its the only religion ive ever heard about that sounded worthwhile. I've always embraced the dark side of myself also, so it is rather fitting. Though when i imagine myself as a satanist, for some reason I always visualize myself looking like Edward Cullen, this disturbs me greatly.


First off, when speaking to us, Twilight references and other nonsensical pop culture or Gothic subcultural references are not becoming of you nor respectful of us and it will get you nowhere. We are Satanists, not Hot Topic hipsters. As for the Avada Kedavra shit, that would make you just a dumb ass, not a whole lot more. Your lack of respect is extremely annoying.

Now for the love of god, son, if you want to discuss LaVey and his teaching of Lesser and Greater Magic, then hit Amazon.com and buy The Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals, and The Satanic Witch. The last one gives VERY good insight on Lesser Magic. And just as a favor, more for us than you, I'll tell you that the 600 Club offers free PDF files of TSB and TSR under "Media", so you're more than half way to a decent and more enlightened discussion/debate of what you ask of us. We aren't going to hold your hand, and if you request that of us then you miss one of the most key points of what the elite philosophies of Satanism is about.
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#30832 - 10/27/09 01:24 AM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Ordo Ad Chaos]
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 Originally Posted By: Ordo Ad Chaos
First off, when speaking to us, Twilight references and other nonsensical pop culture or Gothic subcultural references are not becoming of you nor respectful of us and it will get you nowhere. We are Satanists, not Hot Topic hipsters. As for the Avada Kedavra shit, that would make you just a dumb ass, not a whole lot more. Your lack of respect is extremely annoying.

Now for the love of god, son, if you want to discuss LaVey and his teaching of Lesser and Greater Magic, then hit Amazon.com and buy The Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals, and The Satanic Witch. The last one gives VERY good insight on Lesser Magic. And just as a favor, more for us than you, I'll tell you that the 600 Club offers free PDF files of TSB and TSR under "Media", so you're more than half way to a decent and more enlightened discussion/debate of what you ask of us. We aren't going to hold your hand, and if you request that of us then you miss one of the most key points of what the elite philosophies of Satanism is about.


well first off, and I'm sure you'll agree, respect should be earned and not given. Second of all, lighten up bud, just cause you're a satanist doesn't mean you cant be mildly amused by my bad jokes. second of all, thanks for telling me about those free PDFs, I appreciate you helping me out even though I'm a prick \:\) i don't expect to be guided through this, but a push in the right direction cant hurt right? I'm new guys cut me some slack.

I'll read these pieces and i might be back again to piss you guys off some more. cheers!

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#30833 - 10/27/09 02:03 AM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Noodler13]
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You're welcome, thank you for the appreciation.

Now, concerning respect: I agree, it is to be earned and not given, but you stepped into our territory, my friend. As you are unaware, in the "Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth", rule no. 3 states "When in anotherís lair, show him respect or else do not go there." We show it, therefore we demand it.

If I were to come into your house, I would respect you and your right to respect in your own home and would follow any rules you presented to me. But, we aren't talking about your house, we are talking about ours. Satanic Club, Satanic Members, Satanic Rules. We have rules and regulations here, both set by the admins here, and our own individual codes of morality. We expect you to adhere to them.

PS: If you make a joke that sounds disrespectful in nature and is not meant to be so, I might suggest adding an "emoticon" or two after each "joke", to alleviate our disdain. Due to the limitations of the internet, we aren't allowed the ability to view body language, which without makes the difficulty of determining one's mood very grand. Just a friendly heads up.
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#30835 - 10/27/09 09:14 AM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Ordo Ad Chaos]
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Sir,

Although I whole heartedly agree with your response about respect as such, I would like to add, that this really isn't "our" house, "our territory," or "our" rules here.

"We" do not own this website. The place actually belongs to Xear, and it is his in his domain that we are guests in. All of us. It is his rules that we do our best to abide by.

It may not be wise for one guest to speak for all of us other guests, even if we do agree with your opinion.

"Our kind," might get a bit ticked off, when others (even of our kind) attempt to represent us. ;\)
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#30836 - 10/27/09 09:39 AM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Asmedious]
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Aww crap. I think I over reacted in that last post, and misunderstood somewhat the person whom I was responding to. It seems they weren't referring to this website as "ours" but someone outside of Satanism, coming among Satanists.

FUCK! I HATE EATING CROW...but non the less....

...Appologies.

There I said it, now fuck off everyone ;\)


Edited by Asmedious (10/27/09 09:40 AM)
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#30842 - 10/27/09 12:05 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Asmedious]
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Not a problem, Asmedious.

I re-read my post and saw where you were originally coming from. My deepest apologies to those who read this and think I'm trying to speak for all. Most certainly not the case. Just trying to give a little insight to the new guy about respect among the elite, and whether traditional or modern, I think all can agree on respect.
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#30843 - 10/27/09 12:46 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Ordo Ad Chaos]
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I believe that this is one of the few forums on the internet where many truly fit the title "elite." Which is evident by the ability of most members to address the subject at hand, and to not take offense on a personal level. Cheers.

To get back on track...

I work in a type of area, where political correctness is paramount. The idea of having "Respect" for the point of view of others is constantly hammered into our brains.

This is understandable since we have thousands of people from all walks of life working together, and trivial disagreements over certain views such as religion, sexual orientation, equal rights, and all that shit can turn into major confrontations if not curtailed.

(Of course my coworkers and I constantly harass each other sexually, and make fun of each other in every imaginable way...but we still have to be careful so that those on the outside of our Klick (sp?) don't over hear.)

My main objection to the idea of "Respect" comes from what I see as the bastardization and mis-use of the term.

Instead of the word "respect," I believe the ideas behind it would be easier to swallow, if it was replaced with the word "Tolerance."

I will NEVER respect someoneís religious views, and I sure as hell will never in anyway or form respect Islam.

However....I will tolerate them all to the extent where I have no choice but to co-exist with them, and as long as they do not attempt to intrude into my personal way life.

I may on the other hand respect certain individuals who practice any of those moronic beliefs ;\) depending on their actions and how well we get along in other aspects of our existence.

Just my two additional cents worth towards the terms Respect vs Tolerance. I do believe there is a big difference between the two.
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#30844 - 10/27/09 01:26 PM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Asmedious]
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Hmmmm. I think I can see where you're coming from. RESPECT for another's religion is damn near impossible, especially if you don't care for the moral code it has. But TOLERANCE for it's followers is almost a necessity. We wouldn't coexist well without tolerance (believe you me, I know. I live smack dab in the bible-belt). So aside from succeeding from our native lands and creating a giant Satanic island and living only amongst our selves (which I'm not against!! ) I think there's no other way.

But when I go to church with my grandparents (kicking and screaming all the way, lol) I show respect to the congregation, the minister, etc, not only for my grandparents, but as a guest amongst them. ... I'm not sure if that made as much sense to anyone as it did me. I guess let me clarify what I call "respect", and beware, it's probably really southern, ha ha.

In the church scenario, I stand when the minister says to, I bow my head for prayer, I take communion, I meet-and-greet with the congregation at the behest of my grandparents. Now, I'm almost 20 years-old. I don't HAVE to go to church, I don't WANT to go, but on the rare special occasion (Christmas, Easter, etc.) I humor my grandparents and put on my Sunday's Best. Now my "participation" in church is most certainly a facade, but my respect for the church-goers as PEOPLE and not CHRISTIANS is not.

Now had Noodler come in here, humbled himself before us, asked us his questions, recieved his answers, and went on his merry way and not tried to be clever and end up making an ass out of himself, then I wouldn't have objected one bit, but Harry Potter allusions are not on my list of tolerances.
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#31285 - 11/05/09 01:35 AM Re: A Little Clarification Please. [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
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How do you make a ice cream cone?
First you get a cone. Then you get a scoop. Dip the scoop in the ice cream. Put ice cream on the cone.


Actually you're wrong Jake. That is how you put ice-cream into a cone.

To make an ice-cream cone you first have to get the recepie for wafers. Either sugar wafers or regular wafers.
Mix that up, and roll the dough into a cone shape. THEN you bake it.

Now that's how you make an icecream-CONE.

Guess I will now have to start my own Church of the Cone, for people who actually get it!!


Ok, what I really wanna know is... Where do I send money to get my Church of the Cone card and what flavors do they come in?

p.s. are sprinkles available and what about the temple of the Banana Splits?
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