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#31493 - 11/09/09 08:05 PM Who Cares About Wally's World
MatthewJ1
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This is the first thread I have initiated here at the 600 Club so I thought I might propose something fun or at least something reasonably interesting.

I want to create a country and question where its future lies and what faults it may have. It’s a sort of straw man we can dress up, hack away at or ignore if we wish.

I will call it Wally’s World and state that it is a large island in the South Pacific with good climate, water supply, vegetation and a variety of useful and valuable minerals etc.

The timeline we're looking at is at least three thousand years long.

They already have:

1. Primitive private property systems, which created new elites.
2. 80% of the means of subsistence is found and reproduced on the island, so they must engage in trade with other lands and peoples off shore so they have a shipping practice in place and they have primitive agriculture etc. .
3. They are divided into opposing tribes, each with its own basic language, kinship system and identity.
4. Simple relations of production have been established so simple classes exist, but class consciousness is submerged or non-existent at this stage due to kinship structure and other mystifications.
5. Lex Talionis in place.
6. Almost constant state of war between tribes and opposing elites.
7. Tribal warlike gods in place, created by men as a supernatural reflection of “their society.”

To become a nation:

1. One tribe becomes overwhelmingly dominant through a successful campaign of violence and through the result of adopting a one god religion and possessing superior technology and “knowledge.”
2. An all seeing and all knowing god adopted by all. The old gods of the defeated are dead or transformed into demons. A large part of human animal nature is caged and a new tablet of good and evil imposed.
3. New language and new culture etc. imposed on the defeated
4. Natural rights derived from god – all men created equal. Philosophy of law based on scripture of the one god.
5. Representative democracy adopted after discussion.
6. Special interests and growing class consciousness represented by parties.
7. They legislate their nation into existence and liberties legislated through a Bill of Rights.
8. Permanent government, judiciary, armed forces, etc. formed.
9. Laws enacted, such as crime statutes and laws regarding all variety of things such as commerce, class relations, financial regulations etc.
10. National history has begun.
11. National identity has begun.

Modern Problems:
1. Their democratic institutions, way of life, advancing science and growing scepticism are no longer compatible with the strictness of god’s teachings. Utilitarianism tried.
2. Mode of production mechanised, rationalised and adopted more or less nationwide. Increased output. Ever increasing consumption. Periodic crises due to over production.
3. Modern class relations - state now more and more a clearing house of national class pressures and competing elite interests.
4. Certain vital resources needed for production process and survival, but the island's store of these things limited and already committed or else non-existent. Must acquire specific vital resources from other nations, some of whom are hostile.
5. Supplies limited.
6. Population increasing – will there be enough food etc.
7. Pollution and environmental damage increasing.
8. Strong vested interests against change in control. Government representatives bought off. Prominent reformists murdered or excluded from national debate.

Some Questions

1. Where will Wally World end up?
2. If they have a disaster ahead, then what should they have done better? What shouldn’t they have done? Is there any hope for them?
3. Where are the Satanists and what are they up to? Can they help?
4. Should Wally World be bombed into oblivion and forgotten about?

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#31526 - 11/10/09 04:29 PM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: ]
MatthewJ1
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Hi, I will just add some additional comments and leave this alone.

I would like to open this up further and consider this a shared conceptual art object owned by the members of the 600 Club.

As such the object can be manipulated in any way deemed fit by the members, so basically the nations history can be changed at will and any aspect of its philosophical, geographical or economic doctrine, nature and developments are open to manipulation as well.

Similarly its future is a blank slate.

Anything can be done with it in order to generate discussion if that's what any member wants.

I personally am sick of it and have placed a doomsday device inside it and will detonate it if people wish or they can destroy it themselves.

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#31527 - 11/10/09 04:55 PM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: ]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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This just in: Wally World has been bombed into oblivion by Guam. The rubble was bulldozed and paved over to make way for a vacation resort. Packages starting at $1500/person for 5 days and includes lodging, food and drinks. Onsite parasailing, bungee jumping and bumper cars. Airfare not included. Flights leaving daily from all major airports.
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#31541 - 11/10/09 07:38 PM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
MatthewJ1
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A good job too!

I was starting to find those people irritating with their constant demands and their insistence that we solve their problems.

I need a holiday, but I find $1,500.00 per day to be too pricey.

I might look at New Zealand unless you are willing to negotiate on prices?

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#31543 - 11/10/09 07:57 PM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: ]
FriendlyS Offline
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Registered: 10/05/09
Posts: 39
Loc: Toronto, Canada
I'm surprised you don't care about your own creation being destroyed so quickly. Although I do think it would be better as a resort.

6 didn't say it was $1500/day, 6 said $1500/person for 5 days so it would be $300/day. Not a bad price for all that's included.

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#31544 - 11/10/09 08:09 PM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: FriendlyS]
MatthewJ1
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Yes, you're right about the $1,500 price issue. Goodness, I'm daft at times.

Yes I also agree that it serves a better purpose as a resort and for $300.00 a night I am very tempted by it.

I tend take a pragmatic point of view with regard to Wally World's destruction.

Its existence generated no discussion and very little interest from members and as a result it should be destroyed.

Its destruction and change to a tourist resort has generated some interest and I think that's good.

Does it have any good looking girls? Because that will tip the balance and I will go.

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#31599 - 11/12/09 05:40 PM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: ]
MatthewJ1
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Hi,

I just wanted to put an end to this charade before it begins to annoy people.

Wally’s World is not destroyed.

A conceptual art object can only be destroyed when the piece of writing, documentation or material object/s which give rise to it, contains it or is/are a result of it is/are destroyed as well.

Because Wally’s World occupies the same space in the world as Satan 6’s tourist resort, but has never been destroyed and was there first, Satan 6’s resort does not exist.

My apologies Satan 6, I did say that members could change or destroy Wally’s World, but they would have to lobby the owner, administrators and moderators or any other authorised person of this lair in order to do that. The post giving rise to the conception must be deleted/changed.

I was being a bit of a trickster and also a sentimental ham.

I have re-read Wally’s World and now state that it should have been posted in the Introductions section; or rather it should have been copied into the introductions section under the heading of Matt’s World.

It is in fact a piece of grubby self promotion. It is a form of intellectual autobiography which leapt from my subconscious without my even being aware of it.

I have no idea at this stage why I have offered it up as a lamb for the butcher.

So it remains and now has two sides which members can use or ignore. Members can:

1. use, ignore or request the destruction of Wally’s World, or,
2. examine, discuss, ignore or request the destruction of my psyche.

My best wishes to you.

P.S. I am personally voting for Satan 6’s tourist resort. This sounds like utopia to someone who is currently carrying his “learning” and “knowledge” around like a large conceptual lump. I need a holiday.

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#31606 - 11/12/09 11:25 PM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: ]
fakepropht Moderator Offline
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you have to have an international bank with shady record keeping. that way politicians, wall street investors, ceos, and crooks have a place to stash their spoils.

you need a casino, so the above mentioned have a place to spend their money when they visit.

you need someone in a little storefront running an online casino and betting site.

wait...this sounds just like the caiman islands or aruba.
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#31609 - 11/13/09 12:05 AM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: fakepropht]
Morgan Offline
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and cheap booze and hookers too.

Live sex cams too.

What good is having all the money and time if you can't get off.

M.
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#31614 - 11/13/09 12:42 AM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: Morgan]
MatthewJ1
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Yes!

There must be booze, hookers and casinos and all sorts of sinful things.

The people there must be greedy and live off the fat of the hog.

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#31616 - 11/13/09 12:51 AM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: ]
Morgan Offline
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Have to have a tele-evangalist with big hair and a bad suit.

You have to have some scummy douchbag wanna be savior trying to make people feel guilty about having so much fun.

Oh, and his wife should look like a hooker tranny.

He gets to hide his ill gotten gains on the island as well.

His big rating show is when he gets to baptize all the hot chicks in white sheets that go see through under water.

M
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Fuck em if they can't take a joke
Don't Like What I Say, Kiss My Ass



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#31617 - 11/13/09 01:04 AM Re: Who Cares About Wally's World [Re: Morgan]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
His big rating show is when he gets to baptize all the hot chicks in white sheets that go see through under water.


Nah. Everyone knows the Jews control the media and the Jews don't believe in Baptism. Such a show would never work.
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