HOBS, i have been a member of a local chapter for about three months. Before finding this group, the only time i had ever heard mention of it was as a possible connection to the NAZIs and through the Temple of Set. Going to their meetings(few and far between as they are) they do appear to have a lagit founding. But they have a policy of letting members be in contact only with those below them, and then those directly in grade above them.
As for their ritual use, they are more of a generic Atheistic left handed order then specificly belonging to one specific path.
I have been trying to figue out if they really are a real order. The only time i have seen the majority of the members in one place at one time was the last Walpurgisnacht. And all the members there wore black hooded robes with face masks.
The part that struck me as odd, was the fact that they have no plicy against speaking to non members about being a member. Its like they want attention. They just told me not to share the inner rituals.
Does any one know anything about this order?

I have heard of them. Or at least what they seem to want people to hear about them. They claim to have started as religious organization that was started in Germany in the twenties or thirties that was a combination of Christianity and traditional Germanic paganism. And at some point after migrating to the U.S. they became a satanic cult. Kindof smells like that old stink of "We are old, we promise!"

our goal the overthrow of the religions of the Light and the foundation of the Black Sun Empire.

our goal the overthrow of the religions of the Light and the foundation of the Black Sun Empire.

For the past year I've been devouring every last bit of the "Fraternitas Saturni" that I could get my hands on. I find them particularly fascinating because they are a LHP-oriented order that predates the majority of present groups, and still appear to have a level of secrecy about them.

"Fire and Ice" is an excellent book, and those interested in further reading (and can wade through German well enough) should definitely look at Gregor A Gregorius's "Magic Letters" to get a more technical view of the Brotherhood.

http://english.grimoar.cz/?Loc=book&Lng=2&Back=key&UID=379

Of particular notice is the tract "Satanistiche Magie" (Satanist Magic), which presents Satanism as an initiatory perspective in relation to Gnosticism and the "Saturnian Way". This stands in stark contrast to most other portrayals of Satanism at the time that were tainted by the disclaimers and self-righteous denunciations of "White-Lighters". It is all the more interesting to consider that this was written in 1926.

Frater U.D. is a interesting writer.
I really liked his book "Secrets of Western Sex Magic".
His other book that I have is "High Magic" it's kinda dry, but I am working my way through it. So I am kinda reserving judgement till its done.

M