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#31917 - 11/18/09 06:49 PM Condescending Witches
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Oh pity the poor Satanist. Not only do we come under fire from
religionists such as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, but we also are convenient targets for goody goody witches who point to us and say, THATS THE BAD GUY. They like to say that Anton LaVey was nothing more than a charlatan, that he did nothing more than plagiarize Crowley, and that Satanism is nothing more than heavy metal music and wearing black all the time. Of course, they claim that their LHP is the only way to go. I could go on, but perhaps some of you can do a better job.

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#31919 - 11/18/09 07:31 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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Sounds like the start of a thread bashing Wicca. I'm not really sure Wicca could be considered LHP though. Their concepts of Karma thinly disguised as s "rule of threes" or whatever the hell it is seems very much RHP oriented.

I couldn't care less how "they" view "us"(read:Satanists). They worship dirt and trees and most of them are fat chicks who saw The Craft one too many times anyway. Not really a position to be condescending anyone from.
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#31938 - 11/18/09 11:56 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Many so called occultniks are merely lost people in search of an identity. Not everyone can get results from magic. It is a talent like music or drawing. I have gone into some occult chatrooms or forums in which the general conversation consists of mostly man- bashing. This would make any male uncomfortable, not just a Satanist male. For over thirty years, I kept to myself mostly what I have experienced through Satanism and other forms of magic. The internet proved to be far too tempting to me. I also have begun to seek out other LHP people in R/T. This is a journey that is not easy and sometimes dangerous. I am hoping that it will pay off in increased magical knowledge for me. Sommetimes I find myself rather testy with people, perhaps disappointed or even paranoid. Sometimes I feel like just crawling back under my rock and saying to Hell with the world.
However, the few moments I have had of shared understanding with others are priceless. Even if they are a buncha condescending witches.

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#31950 - 11/19/09 03:59 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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Okay, I am confused Satansfarm.

Are you bashing the wicca witches or praising them?
In the first paragraph you seem to bash them, but in your last one, you seem to praise their understanding.

Granted lots of wiccians are fat man haters or fat men you don't want to see naked. Plus a lot of them just hate everyone who isn't wiccian, the thing is their hatred of us is kinda funny.

They say we are bad then go right on and try to make love spells, hex spells, money spells, and their favorite get and turn a man spells. If anything, I find their desire to use magic to change a persons mind quite "evil".

So fuck 'em, use them and lose them. They are just tools.

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#31966 - 11/19/09 01:58 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Morgan]
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I have never been of the mindset that magic would/could ever work. I believe that allot of magic is simply psychology turned against a specific individual. Ever noticed how a curse will work more effectively if the victim in question knows about it? It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Anyhow that’s just my point of view.

I digress...I fail to see how our perception at the hands of these RHP’ers affect Satanism in general. Really, who cares? Christians disapprove, Muslims disapprove, Jews disapprove etc. What’s another group of imaginary friend worshipers (Even if their imaginary friend is mud, twigs and air) apposing our belief system?
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#31974 - 11/19/09 10:59 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
They worship dirt and trees and most of them are fat chicks who saw The Craft one too many times anyway. Not really a position to be condescending anyone from.


Bwahahahahahaha! Love it! "Fat chicks," in this case, should read "Feminists," however - and not the good, 1960's, pudgy National Organization for Women kind; rather the unconscionable, "new millennium," Rosie the Riveter, morbidly obese, "kill anything with a penis" femiNazi tarantula kind.

I saw something on the Biography channel a couple of nights back about Wiccans. I've rarely ever laughed so hard. Bunch of LARPers who dress up and either wish they were men, and so hate them, or are emasculated men, which also hate men.

RAWR! That is all.
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#31978 - 11/19/09 11:59 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Morgan]
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Am I bashing or praising Wiccans? probably both. The so called white witches have some knowledge of herbs and stones that I am interested in. They also have this annoying habit of nit picking me to death with all kinds of jibber jabber. For instance, when I talk about psychic vampires, I usually say this is not about people who drink blood. Theres always some goofy witch who chimes in, "Well, I do know some blood drinkers." I have already explained to this dolt that I am not talking about that, but so many of them press on in their efforts to make their little goody two shoes badges shine like the moon.
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#31984 - 11/20/09 02:10 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
Am I bashing or praising Wiccans? probably both. The so called white witches have some knowledge of herbs and stones that I am interested in. They also have this annoying habit of nit picking me to death with all kinds of jibber jabber. For instance, when I talk about psychic vampires, I usually say this is not about people who drink blood. Theres always some goofy witch who chimes in, "Well, I do know some blood drinkers." I have already explained to this dolt that I am not talking about that, but so many of them press on in their efforts to make their little goody two shoes badges shine like the moon.


Haha. Exactly.

They seem to be the same sort of individuals who, when you say "ignorant" they hear "stupid." Just can't manage to differentiate two fairly different things.

Headless chickens, all of 'em!
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#31999 - 11/20/09 12:54 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Gemini]
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I've only had issues with the fluffy wiccans. And only aprox half the wiccans that I have met would I call fluffy. The other half have an almost realist's look at life. They are usually theones who are glad to have another individual who is not Christian. The fluffy wiccans refuse to listen to what Satanism is, they want to think that it is just anti-Christianity. Regardless of what I say they think that it is literall devil worship. It is annoying, but the fluffys are also netherkin, so it is expected that they are a bit detached from reality.
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#32019 - 11/20/09 08:58 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Sceevin]
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Many people seem to form their opinions without really researching the subject very much. Human behavior has so many variables it is really tough to pin anything down that won't change eventually.
There are rivalries, jealousies. There are people who go through life tearing into just about anyone in order to make themselves feel more important, or to impress others with how smart they think they are. Control freaks don't seem to realize how futile they appear when they attempt to nitpick at every single little thing that wrinkles their noses. It is a show of weakness, not strength. I embraced Satanism because of its acceptance of human foibles and diversity. All the same, it appears that no matter what I say or do, there is always someone who will disagree and make a big deal out of something that I feel is quite trivial.

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#32279 - 11/26/09 06:57 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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“The Shame of the New Witch Cult”
- by Anton Szandor LaVey
The Cloven Hoof, March 1970
Church of Satan

Many are those who study the Art of the Children of Darkness, who call themselves by the name of Witch and Warlock ... who gaze at crystals, read the Tarot, divine by divers means, and seek success through paths of magic.

All these play at the Devil’s game and take the Devil’s tools in their quest for crumbs of power. In the name of all who suffered and died as agents of the Devil in ages past, the present band of heretics, those who would deny the Devil, yet play His game must be called to task. Greater is their folly than the staunchest Protestant, Catholic, Jew, or Buddhist!

More cowardly are they than the whining informer who plucked at the sleeve of the Inquisitor. More flagrant is their hypocrisy than he who reads pornography “in order to warn others”.

These are the pursuers of dubious power, the searchers for riches, the buyers of “hidden secrets”, the purchasers of “short-cuts”, the sniveling army of have-nots who feel themselves deserving of the bounties of life but have found no miracles in the churches in which they prayed.

So now we see them as they swarm about us, purchasing the journals of deceit, the sourcebooks of diabolical supplies, the catalogues of the “Magickal Art”. They read, and read, and contemplate, and read some more. They learn the “Rites of Lucifer” and the “Magick of Creation” and the spells and charms, and they call themselves by divers names: by “Witch”, “Warlock”, and others. And they play at the Games which caused our forebears to be slaughtered and tortured as agents of Satan.

And what do they do now that it is safe and clear to use His Great Infernal Name? They deny Him! They have the opportunity to cast the very creed of defamation, which killed their brothers and sisters of the past - cast that creed before the world in triumphant mockery of its age of unreason. But no! They do not thrust the bifid bard of Satan aloft and shout “He has triumphed!”. His Art and Works which brought men to the rack and thumbscrew can now be learned in safety. But no! He is denied! Denied by those who cry up His Art and ply His Work.

In the squamous safety of their mystic dens they say the Calls. In the warmth of their parlors they push their planchettes, and read the leaves, and cast the Runes, and call forth the dead, and even wear the horns!

But nowhere in these places is Satan to be found. For these are the frightened mystics of the new Christianity, and the trembling cowards scurry ’round the openings to the Grottos of Hell; and like vermin they furtively nibble upon the newly-emerged Devil-wisdom. Little to they realize the folly of their cowardice!

Ages come and ages go, and cycles reverse themselves with the wondrous periodicy that only nature can sustain; and we now walk the upper world. Those who play the game of self-denial in its now-dead, simple forms, and showed themselves consistent in their Christ-mongering, can find absolution from their sins within our fold.

But those who play the Devil’s game yet cloak themselves in righteousness besmirch the name of those who bore the mark of brand and tongs and gazed upon their dead and dying with curses softly spoken. Knew they not, the tortured, that one day men would ply the Devil’s handiwork, the work that then was grounds for rack and cradle?

Knew they not, the Knights of the Temple, that one day men would fashion spells in the clear moonlight, free from the snare of the heretic-hook, yet deny and denounce the benediction of Satan?

The tongs have gathered rust, and the racks snarl from lack of oiling as they turn. The morning-stars have dust between their spikes, and the iron maiden is cold and yearning for a lover to embrace. The ghosts of the Devil-bought will take up the instruments of their destruction and march forth. And their prey will be those scavengers of the Arts which once meant Devil-wisdom and to this day remain as such.

Let it be known that every man who delves into the Arts of Darkness must give the Devil and His Children the due their years of infamy deserve. Satan’s name will not be denied! Let no man shun or mock His Name who plays His winning game - or Despair, Depletion, and Destruction await!

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#32372 - 11/29/09 09:29 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I’ve known only two self-professing witches in my life. (A sheltered life, I know.) One was of the fluffy variety. She was really strange, although I found her strangeness alluring. She referred to me as a young soul. I don’t believe in young soul/old soul mumbo jumbo, but I did find the label appealing. God, I wanted to fuck her…

The other one is a close family friend. She is quite the realist, very focused on her family, her social network and the attainment of wealth. She has never come off to me as condescending. Her outlook is more of a “you’re OK/I’m OK” kind of thing. I think of her as wise, and I’ve sought her advice on numerous occasions.

As for me, I’m all for airing philosophical differences. However, simply dismissing Wiccans as fat man-haters serves no real purpose and, in fact, discourages dialogue that can lead to understanding. I have no beef with Wiccans, Christians or anyone else. As long as they don’t try to push their beliefs down my throat, we’re fine.
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#32434 - 12/01/09 06:13 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
I’ve known only two self-professing witches in my life. (A sheltered life, I know.) One was of the fluffy variety. She was really strange, although I found her strangeness alluring. She referred to me as a young soul. I don’t believe in young soul/old soul mumbo jumbo, but I did find the label appealing. God, I wanted to fuck her…

The other one is a close family friend. She is quite the realist, very focused on her family, her social network and the attainment of wealth. She has never come off to me as condescending. Her outlook is more of a “you’re OK/I’m OK” kind of thing. I think of her as wise, and I’ve sought her advice on numerous occasions.

As for me, I’m all for airing philosophical differences. However, simply dismissing Wiccans as fat man-haters serves no real purpose and, in fact, discourages dialogue that can lead to understanding. I have no beef with Wiccans, Christians or anyone else. As long as they don’t try to push their beliefs down my throat, we’re fine.


Alright, so maybe I was a bit hasty in lumping all Wiccans together as man-hating tarantulas. Speaking realistically, I'm sure this is not the case; I am, however, speaking from my personal experience.

It doesn't help, though, when A&E/Discovery/Etc. air these shows that center around interviews with Wiccans and neo-pagans who fit the bill. Ha.
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#32438 - 12/01/09 08:52 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Gemini]
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It doesn't help, though, when A&E/Discovery/Etc. air these shows that center around interviews with Wiccans and neo-pagans who fit the bill. Ha.

Media tends to use the stereotypes in society to label a certain kind of people. Discovery channel, NGC and others also use this formula.
Why?
The most serious practitioners tend to shy away from the spotlight. And even if a serious person is being interviewed, a certain degree of marginalisation is being used by the interviewer or added in the program before putting it on-air.

I have to weaken my argument since there are some serious things floating around upon entering this branch, yet the shows, interviews, documentaries... which aren't that serious outnumber the good ones easily.


The wiccan-movement consists many women for various reasons. There might be a lot of man-hating bitches, there might be many "fluffs", I don't know and don't really care as long as I'm not bothered. Let them have their fun of bading in ignorance. Let them call me a bastard or devilsboy. As long as they don't irritate or bother me personally or even hinder my actions in general life I won't start bitching. And otherwise...

Why should someone even wonder or feel hurt by yet another kind of thinking people calling 'us' evil?
I'm even wandering why this tread exists. The main subject simply belongs to Satanism, it's one of these presents you receive when someone has chosen the label of Satanist.


Edited by Dimitri (12/01/09 08:57 AM)
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#32460 - 12/01/09 11:32 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Dimitri]
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If you want to know what medieval witchcraft actually was, and not what Wicanns think it was, then read Witches and Neighbors by Robin Briggs. It is used by many universities and is considered the definitive study on medieval witchcraft, complete with tons of primary documents.
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