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#31917 - 11/18/09 06:49 PM Condescending Witches
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Oh pity the poor Satanist. Not only do we come under fire from
religionists such as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, but we also are convenient targets for goody goody witches who point to us and say, THATS THE BAD GUY. They like to say that Anton LaVey was nothing more than a charlatan, that he did nothing more than plagiarize Crowley, and that Satanism is nothing more than heavy metal music and wearing black all the time. Of course, they claim that their LHP is the only way to go. I could go on, but perhaps some of you can do a better job.

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#31919 - 11/18/09 07:31 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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Sounds like the start of a thread bashing Wicca. I'm not really sure Wicca could be considered LHP though. Their concepts of Karma thinly disguised as s "rule of threes" or whatever the hell it is seems very much RHP oriented.

I couldn't care less how "they" view "us"(read:Satanists). They worship dirt and trees and most of them are fat chicks who saw The Craft one too many times anyway. Not really a position to be condescending anyone from.
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#31938 - 11/18/09 11:56 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Many so called occultniks are merely lost people in search of an identity. Not everyone can get results from magic. It is a talent like music or drawing. I have gone into some occult chatrooms or forums in which the general conversation consists of mostly man- bashing. This would make any male uncomfortable, not just a Satanist male. For over thirty years, I kept to myself mostly what I have experienced through Satanism and other forms of magic. The internet proved to be far too tempting to me. I also have begun to seek out other LHP people in R/T. This is a journey that is not easy and sometimes dangerous. I am hoping that it will pay off in increased magical knowledge for me. Sommetimes I find myself rather testy with people, perhaps disappointed or even paranoid. Sometimes I feel like just crawling back under my rock and saying to Hell with the world.
However, the few moments I have had of shared understanding with others are priceless. Even if they are a buncha condescending witches.

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#31950 - 11/19/09 03:59 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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Okay, I am confused Satansfarm.

Are you bashing the wicca witches or praising them?
In the first paragraph you seem to bash them, but in your last one, you seem to praise their understanding.

Granted lots of wiccians are fat man haters or fat men you don't want to see naked. Plus a lot of them just hate everyone who isn't wiccian, the thing is their hatred of us is kinda funny.

They say we are bad then go right on and try to make love spells, hex spells, money spells, and their favorite get and turn a man spells. If anything, I find their desire to use magic to change a persons mind quite "evil".

So fuck 'em, use them and lose them. They are just tools.

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#31966 - 11/19/09 01:58 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Morgan]
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I have never been of the mindset that magic would/could ever work. I believe that allot of magic is simply psychology turned against a specific individual. Ever noticed how a curse will work more effectively if the victim in question knows about it? It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Anyhow that’s just my point of view.

I digress...I fail to see how our perception at the hands of these RHP’ers affect Satanism in general. Really, who cares? Christians disapprove, Muslims disapprove, Jews disapprove etc. What’s another group of imaginary friend worshipers (Even if their imaginary friend is mud, twigs and air) apposing our belief system?
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#31974 - 11/19/09 10:59 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
They worship dirt and trees and most of them are fat chicks who saw The Craft one too many times anyway. Not really a position to be condescending anyone from.


Bwahahahahahaha! Love it! "Fat chicks," in this case, should read "Feminists," however - and not the good, 1960's, pudgy National Organization for Women kind; rather the unconscionable, "new millennium," Rosie the Riveter, morbidly obese, "kill anything with a penis" femiNazi tarantula kind.

I saw something on the Biography channel a couple of nights back about Wiccans. I've rarely ever laughed so hard. Bunch of LARPers who dress up and either wish they were men, and so hate them, or are emasculated men, which also hate men.

RAWR! That is all.
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#31978 - 11/19/09 11:59 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Morgan]
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Am I bashing or praising Wiccans? probably both. The so called white witches have some knowledge of herbs and stones that I am interested in. They also have this annoying habit of nit picking me to death with all kinds of jibber jabber. For instance, when I talk about psychic vampires, I usually say this is not about people who drink blood. Theres always some goofy witch who chimes in, "Well, I do know some blood drinkers." I have already explained to this dolt that I am not talking about that, but so many of them press on in their efforts to make their little goody two shoes badges shine like the moon.
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#31984 - 11/20/09 02:10 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
Am I bashing or praising Wiccans? probably both. The so called white witches have some knowledge of herbs and stones that I am interested in. They also have this annoying habit of nit picking me to death with all kinds of jibber jabber. For instance, when I talk about psychic vampires, I usually say this is not about people who drink blood. Theres always some goofy witch who chimes in, "Well, I do know some blood drinkers." I have already explained to this dolt that I am not talking about that, but so many of them press on in their efforts to make their little goody two shoes badges shine like the moon.


Haha. Exactly.

They seem to be the same sort of individuals who, when you say "ignorant" they hear "stupid." Just can't manage to differentiate two fairly different things.

Headless chickens, all of 'em!
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#31999 - 11/20/09 12:54 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Gemini]
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I've only had issues with the fluffy wiccans. And only aprox half the wiccans that I have met would I call fluffy. The other half have an almost realist's look at life. They are usually theones who are glad to have another individual who is not Christian. The fluffy wiccans refuse to listen to what Satanism is, they want to think that it is just anti-Christianity. Regardless of what I say they think that it is literall devil worship. It is annoying, but the fluffys are also netherkin, so it is expected that they are a bit detached from reality.
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#32019 - 11/20/09 08:58 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Sceevin]
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Many people seem to form their opinions without really researching the subject very much. Human behavior has so many variables it is really tough to pin anything down that won't change eventually.
There are rivalries, jealousies. There are people who go through life tearing into just about anyone in order to make themselves feel more important, or to impress others with how smart they think they are. Control freaks don't seem to realize how futile they appear when they attempt to nitpick at every single little thing that wrinkles their noses. It is a show of weakness, not strength. I embraced Satanism because of its acceptance of human foibles and diversity. All the same, it appears that no matter what I say or do, there is always someone who will disagree and make a big deal out of something that I feel is quite trivial.

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#32279 - 11/26/09 06:57 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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“The Shame of the New Witch Cult”
- by Anton Szandor LaVey
The Cloven Hoof, March 1970
Church of Satan

Many are those who study the Art of the Children of Darkness, who call themselves by the name of Witch and Warlock ... who gaze at crystals, read the Tarot, divine by divers means, and seek success through paths of magic.

All these play at the Devil’s game and take the Devil’s tools in their quest for crumbs of power. In the name of all who suffered and died as agents of the Devil in ages past, the present band of heretics, those who would deny the Devil, yet play His game must be called to task. Greater is their folly than the staunchest Protestant, Catholic, Jew, or Buddhist!

More cowardly are they than the whining informer who plucked at the sleeve of the Inquisitor. More flagrant is their hypocrisy than he who reads pornography “in order to warn others”.

These are the pursuers of dubious power, the searchers for riches, the buyers of “hidden secrets”, the purchasers of “short-cuts”, the sniveling army of have-nots who feel themselves deserving of the bounties of life but have found no miracles in the churches in which they prayed.

So now we see them as they swarm about us, purchasing the journals of deceit, the sourcebooks of diabolical supplies, the catalogues of the “Magickal Art”. They read, and read, and contemplate, and read some more. They learn the “Rites of Lucifer” and the “Magick of Creation” and the spells and charms, and they call themselves by divers names: by “Witch”, “Warlock”, and others. And they play at the Games which caused our forebears to be slaughtered and tortured as agents of Satan.

And what do they do now that it is safe and clear to use His Great Infernal Name? They deny Him! They have the opportunity to cast the very creed of defamation, which killed their brothers and sisters of the past - cast that creed before the world in triumphant mockery of its age of unreason. But no! They do not thrust the bifid bard of Satan aloft and shout “He has triumphed!”. His Art and Works which brought men to the rack and thumbscrew can now be learned in safety. But no! He is denied! Denied by those who cry up His Art and ply His Work.

In the squamous safety of their mystic dens they say the Calls. In the warmth of their parlors they push their planchettes, and read the leaves, and cast the Runes, and call forth the dead, and even wear the horns!

But nowhere in these places is Satan to be found. For these are the frightened mystics of the new Christianity, and the trembling cowards scurry ’round the openings to the Grottos of Hell; and like vermin they furtively nibble upon the newly-emerged Devil-wisdom. Little to they realize the folly of their cowardice!

Ages come and ages go, and cycles reverse themselves with the wondrous periodicy that only nature can sustain; and we now walk the upper world. Those who play the game of self-denial in its now-dead, simple forms, and showed themselves consistent in their Christ-mongering, can find absolution from their sins within our fold.

But those who play the Devil’s game yet cloak themselves in righteousness besmirch the name of those who bore the mark of brand and tongs and gazed upon their dead and dying with curses softly spoken. Knew they not, the tortured, that one day men would ply the Devil’s handiwork, the work that then was grounds for rack and cradle?

Knew they not, the Knights of the Temple, that one day men would fashion spells in the clear moonlight, free from the snare of the heretic-hook, yet deny and denounce the benediction of Satan?

The tongs have gathered rust, and the racks snarl from lack of oiling as they turn. The morning-stars have dust between their spikes, and the iron maiden is cold and yearning for a lover to embrace. The ghosts of the Devil-bought will take up the instruments of their destruction and march forth. And their prey will be those scavengers of the Arts which once meant Devil-wisdom and to this day remain as such.

Let it be known that every man who delves into the Arts of Darkness must give the Devil and His Children the due their years of infamy deserve. Satan’s name will not be denied! Let no man shun or mock His Name who plays His winning game - or Despair, Depletion, and Destruction await!

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#32372 - 11/29/09 09:29 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I’ve known only two self-professing witches in my life. (A sheltered life, I know.) One was of the fluffy variety. She was really strange, although I found her strangeness alluring. She referred to me as a young soul. I don’t believe in young soul/old soul mumbo jumbo, but I did find the label appealing. God, I wanted to fuck her…

The other one is a close family friend. She is quite the realist, very focused on her family, her social network and the attainment of wealth. She has never come off to me as condescending. Her outlook is more of a “you’re OK/I’m OK” kind of thing. I think of her as wise, and I’ve sought her advice on numerous occasions.

As for me, I’m all for airing philosophical differences. However, simply dismissing Wiccans as fat man-haters serves no real purpose and, in fact, discourages dialogue that can lead to understanding. I have no beef with Wiccans, Christians or anyone else. As long as they don’t try to push their beliefs down my throat, we’re fine.
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#32434 - 12/01/09 06:13 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
I’ve known only two self-professing witches in my life. (A sheltered life, I know.) One was of the fluffy variety. She was really strange, although I found her strangeness alluring. She referred to me as a young soul. I don’t believe in young soul/old soul mumbo jumbo, but I did find the label appealing. God, I wanted to fuck her…

The other one is a close family friend. She is quite the realist, very focused on her family, her social network and the attainment of wealth. She has never come off to me as condescending. Her outlook is more of a “you’re OK/I’m OK” kind of thing. I think of her as wise, and I’ve sought her advice on numerous occasions.

As for me, I’m all for airing philosophical differences. However, simply dismissing Wiccans as fat man-haters serves no real purpose and, in fact, discourages dialogue that can lead to understanding. I have no beef with Wiccans, Christians or anyone else. As long as they don’t try to push their beliefs down my throat, we’re fine.


Alright, so maybe I was a bit hasty in lumping all Wiccans together as man-hating tarantulas. Speaking realistically, I'm sure this is not the case; I am, however, speaking from my personal experience.

It doesn't help, though, when A&E/Discovery/Etc. air these shows that center around interviews with Wiccans and neo-pagans who fit the bill. Ha.
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#32438 - 12/01/09 08:52 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Gemini]
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It doesn't help, though, when A&E/Discovery/Etc. air these shows that center around interviews with Wiccans and neo-pagans who fit the bill. Ha.

Media tends to use the stereotypes in society to label a certain kind of people. Discovery channel, NGC and others also use this formula.
Why?
The most serious practitioners tend to shy away from the spotlight. And even if a serious person is being interviewed, a certain degree of marginalisation is being used by the interviewer or added in the program before putting it on-air.

I have to weaken my argument since there are some serious things floating around upon entering this branch, yet the shows, interviews, documentaries... which aren't that serious outnumber the good ones easily.


The wiccan-movement consists many women for various reasons. There might be a lot of man-hating bitches, there might be many "fluffs", I don't know and don't really care as long as I'm not bothered. Let them have their fun of bading in ignorance. Let them call me a bastard or devilsboy. As long as they don't irritate or bother me personally or even hinder my actions in general life I won't start bitching. And otherwise...

Why should someone even wonder or feel hurt by yet another kind of thinking people calling 'us' evil?
I'm even wandering why this tread exists. The main subject simply belongs to Satanism, it's one of these presents you receive when someone has chosen the label of Satanist.


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#32460 - 12/01/09 11:32 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Dimitri]
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If you want to know what medieval witchcraft actually was, and not what Wicanns think it was, then read Witches and Neighbors by Robin Briggs. It is used by many universities and is considered the definitive study on medieval witchcraft, complete with tons of primary documents.
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#32748 - 12/10/09 08:26 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Samuel Hain]
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I just acquired A WITCHE'S BIBLE by Janet and Stewart Farrar. I will check out any belief system if it will expand my own knowledge. So far, after over a third of a century of studying the craft, I have found that I am most comfortable as a solitary practitioner. The agendas of other people are usually not in harmony with my own. Why should they be? It's not that I don't enjoy helping others. It's just that I cannot be much of an assistance to others if it costs me my own well being.
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#32808 - 12/12/09 01:58 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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I don't necessarily get along with people just because they profess to be Satanists or other LHP. People who use the Christian concept of the devil as the personification of evil just don't get it as far as I am concerned. Yes, I believe in following my desires, but I am not in favor of anyone who thinks that means, well just go into the street and kill anyone you see because you feel like it. I am a responsible person. I pay my bills on time.
People that are irresponsible, that cannot meet their commitments
and just want the entire world to revolve around their slightest whims are definitely not in my cool book. I resent anyone trying to shove their lifestyle down my throat. I don't care if they are Christian, Wiccan, Satanist, or Buddhist. Still, I encounter these kinds people more frequently than I do the ones who I can really get along with.

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#32853 - 12/13/09 09:37 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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Dimitri, I agree that stereotypes of just about every belief system dominate the media. I think the main reason is that the media is generally not interested in spreading truth but in making money. To make money, they draw a large audience by giving the audience what it wants. What the masses want is something quick, easily digestible and entertaining. Stereotypes fit the bill. LaVey recognized this, playing to stereotypes in the media while practicing a more serious form of Satanism in private.

Satansfarm, I too prefer to practice my ever-evolving belief system in solitude. I’ve found that it gives me more flexibility. I was in an LHP organization a short while back, and I found that what I liked most about it was the forum – a large and active forum. But I can get my forum fix here. This is a much better situation for me.

I agree that Satanism means following one’s desires, even if it means doing something that others may find repugnant. The irony is that acknowledging this freedom has resulted in me becoming what many would consider to be a “better” person. I also pay my bills on time, not because it’s “right” – a vague word that essentially means nothing – but because it’s smart. I help others not because it’s “right” but because I enjoy helping others. Recognizing the inherent selfishness in everything I do makes things so much clearer.
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#32858 - 12/13/09 12:03 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: William Wright]
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hi, this is actually my first real post. I have a background in witchcraft/paganism and can relate to the subject. First and foremost I typically can't stand dogma of any kind. To me, dogma is a sure sign of ignorance in a belief system or person.

I think it worth differentiating witches from wiccans. Yes most wiccans refer to themselves as witches, although I've known a few who dislike the term (who knows). But not all witches give a rip about wicca. Personally I refer to this as "old school" and "new school". Or rather, Pagans versus Wiccans. Older witches, 'pre-wiccan', are pretty serious and realistic people. Perhaps this is the separation of fluff and non-fluff? The Witch's Bible I find to be a solid look at Paganism, not Wicca.

Stereotypes are what they are. What I find fascinating is when people live up to a stereotype (self-fulfilling perhaps?) Which is really a whole other topic. Satanists obviously get a fierce blow from this. A few whack jobs burn down a church or kill someone, it ends up on the news, and then the whole philosophy is branded. I've also found many witches and wiccans look down on Satanists. But what I have truly noticed is they pidgeonhole Satanists. They stamp the whole philosophy because of only a few they ran into to instead of looking deeper.
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#32864 - 12/13/09 02:35 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Natalia666]
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Stereotypes are what they are. What I find fascinating is when people live up to a stereotype (self-fulfilling perhaps?) Which is really a whole other topic. Satanists obviously get a fierce blow from this. A few whack jobs burn down a church or kill someone, it ends up on the news, and then the whole philosophy is branded. I've also found many witches and wiccans look down on Satanists. But what I have truly noticed is they pidgeonhole Satanists. They stamp the whole philosophy because of only a few they ran into to instead of looking deeper.

People always tend to live up to a stereotype. It is almost a natural thing to do. To belong to a certain group of people, a person tries every aspect as described by the mass which is considered "typical" for that certain group of people. It is only by passing this stage that the true knowledge and know-how is being discoverd. The various kicks and punches the person receives from the so-called "elite" or "true" people within the group are the theoretical "educational slaps" a student receives before they really learn something...

Then again, some will not, cannot and shall never learn things decently by loss of interest or by sheer ignorance.



When referring yourself to the label of Satanist, the stereotype of a church-burning, dark-dressed, child-raping rocker is just one of the aspects you get for free from the masses whom are unaware or doesn't have a clue about Satanism.
It is the reason why most of us tend to avoid the word, despite of the factual truth.
And to be honest, I like it that way.

If someone starts whining, bitching about it; then maybe the person should have thought twice about it.
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#33041 - 12/18/09 11:22 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Dimitri]
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I was working one day in a shop and there was a crew installing some equipment. One of the men left his wallet. I looked inside and there was cash, credit cards. I said, "Oh wow, " and turned it in to the manager. I said to him, "This guy is lucky to get all this back." I didn't touch a thing. I went back to my post. A little while later, the manager came back and fired me. He said that my remark meant that I was thinking about stealing, so he couldn't trust me. I called him an asshole and split. About a week later, The owner called me back. It seems that the manager was robbing the place blind.
Transference is the psychological term for when people blame others for what they are doing themselves. Often the people who accuse me of wrongdoing are lacking themselves. I ran into this condescending witch a few weeks ago. She really could run her mouth on how deplorable others were and how great she was. The glaring fact was that we had a business deal and she just could not follow through on her end. Rather than admit it and of course, refund my money, she just went into this long tirade of how superior her belief system was to mine.
I am not an expert on predicting the future or human nature. I am just going to have to chalk this one up as a loss and find some other solution to my business problem. I am also going to have to be alot tighter with my money.

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#33101 - 12/21/09 02:15 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Satansfarm]
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Years ago I read a book by Fiona Horne called Witch : a personal journey. Her books are poppy 'my first Wicca book' affairs- she's written books for young people about Wicca.

Anyway, in the book I just mentioned she discusses the myth that witches are neccesarily Satan-worshippers and she includes a very good interview with actual Satanists. Two members of the Temple Of Set say some VERY interesting stuff.

I once had the displeasure of meeting a male Wiccan who had a condescending attitude about most anyone who wasn't him! :P He stated up front that he thought he was better than me :S .


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#33116 - 12/21/09 03:18 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: PeteOfTheDead]
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I believe a great deal of condescending or discrimination is based on ignorance of the matter. Christians damn Satanism without understanding the first detail about it. Rather than study it Objectively, they depend on Subjective emotions and ideas, usually not factual.

I had an experience recently with a witch who acted critically toward Satanism, saying she didn't want such in her house. This was odd to me. This lady has cursed people in the worst ways before but now shes going to sneer at Satanism? Literally chicken hearts, blood, and hair to curse a person. Yet sneer at Satanism?

Years ago she said there was a Satanic Bible before the one we have today. I suppose it existed in the sixties or seventies. Supposedly it contained brutal and violence sacrifices and rituals. The book today is a 'watered down' version of the original. The Satanists she knew and got involved with were sadistic and cruel. Then another witch friend of hers spoke of Satanists she knew who haunted her in her dreams, drained her energy, and tried to seduce her. There are crazy people in every philosophy/sect. But despising a whole philosophy based on this? If such even happened or such a book even existed. People, especially the irrational, confuse me to no end.

Believe me, I've heard horror stories from witches about Satanists. After studying the LHP and Satanism, meeting the people, its about the most rational and intelligent philosophy out of any concerning the "occult". Let them believe what they will. I prefer objective facts over subjective imagination.
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#33117 - 12/21/09 03:49 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Natalia666]
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 Originally Posted By: Natalia666

Years ago she said there was a Satanic Bible before the one we have today. I suppose it existed in the sixties or seventies. Supposedly it contained brutal and violence sacrifices and rituals. The book today is a 'watered down' version of the original. The Satanists she knew and got involved with were sadistic and cruel.


The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey from the 60's and 70's is the exact same one you would have today, with the exception that it could be paperback... most of them are and there are few hard covers around to be had... or the introduction has changed. The Satanic Bible itself has not changed.
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#33118 - 12/21/09 03:54 PM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Natalia666]
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 Originally Posted By: Natalia666

I had an experience recently with a witch who acted critically toward Satanism, saying she didn't want such in her house. This was odd to me. This lady has cursed people in the worst ways before but now shes going to sneer at Satanism? Literally chicken hearts, blood, and hair to curse a person.


Chicken hearts, blood and hair. How quaint.

Idiots abound. If you don't run into them, consider yourself lucky. If you DO run into them, as you apparently have, shed yourself of them as quickly as possible. Stupidity can be contagious.
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#33123 - 12/21/09 07:35 PM Satanic Bible/Rituals Editions Continuity [Re: Jake999]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey from the 60's and 70's is the exact same one you would have today, with the exception that it could be paperback... most of them are and there are few hard covers around to be had... or the introduction has changed. The Satanic Bible itself has not changed.

In the later paperbacks the dedications-page for both the SB & the SR is missing. Too bad, because there were some great gems to be mined in following up those names. See Appendix #13 of The Church of Satan for a detailed discussion.

Incidentally, in the University Books hardcover edition of the SB & SR, if you look closely you will see that only the SB Introduction is fresh-typeset. Everything else is a blown-up photocopy from the Avon paperback edition pages.
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#33125 - 12/21/09 07:57 PM Re: Satanic Bible/Rituals Editions Continuity [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Jake999 Offline
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Thanks for reminding me about that... I was of course referring to the meat of the book itself, but reading the names of the dedication was something that could definitely make your mind start to wander.

When I refer to mine, I always pick up my autographed, custom bound one... have several around, but I like the feel of it and it always brings back fond memories.
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#33220 - 12/24/09 08:50 PM Re: Satanic Bible/Rituals Editions Continuity [Re: Jake999]
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I took a stroll around my neighborhood today. What a mess it is. People are just edgy as hell, acting weird and drama ridden. I am so looking forward to tomorrow's Black X Mas with Karla LaVey. There is a sense of relief to be around like minded people, as diverse as we may be. Since my grandmother gave me my first Satanic Bible decades ago, I feel a sense of family at these gatherings. It is interesting to talk to the young ones and see how Anton LaVey's philosophy is affecting their lives.
I suppose it is a natural human inclination to butt heads over anything. There is something about the raw energy of a good rock band playing loud to knock away bad feelings generated by petty human squabbling.

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#33922 - 01/13/10 03:32 AM Re: Condescending Witches [Re: Samuel Hain]
Miss May Offline
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Pagans and wiccans believe in gods and goddesses. There are many branches and variations. Some of them probably do look at satanists as the bad guy. Christians may believe that satan is the bad guy and their god is the good guy. what do you expect?
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