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#3241 - 01/09/08 01:11 PM life after death
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what happens to the "soul" of a satanist when they die? what happens to a NON-satanist when one dies? I need more than LaVey offers in The Satanic Bible; "Life After Death Through Fullfillment of the Ego". Anyone with any insight to this question, i encourage you to respond!
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#3245 - 01/09/08 02:59 PM Re: life after death [Re: Bridgett Leavitt]
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According to "Al Jilwah: The Black Book of Satan": Satan may "send a person a second or third time into the world or into some other by the transmigration of souls."

As for non-Satanists, I'm not sure. Guess we'll all find out eventually. Great question, though.
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#3247 - 01/09/08 03:17 PM Re: life after death [Re: Bridgett Leavitt]
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Personally, I don't believe in a "soul." Whether it's called a soul or spirit, it's my belief that the concept itself is, albeit understandable, a construct of fear. Nobody likes the idea of nothingness after death. The idea of a a yummy reward after life is so much nicer.

However, the concept of some kind of existence after death is not entirely implausible. I do, however, disagree that our complete consciousness gets to scuttle off to the Happy Hunting Grounds for an eternity of joy-joy happy-fun-time. The idea that we are all comprised of immortal elemental energy seems more likely...how to correctly transcend this existence into another is the challenge. I think that Uncle Anton was on the right track with his statement, but ego fulfillment is only a small piece of the equation.

This is merely my opinion.
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#3248 - 01/09/08 03:53 PM Re: life after death [Re: Octavius]
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in my opinon, this "immortal elemental energy" you speek of is the very "soul" in which you dont believe in. You confused me by saying that there may be nothing but blackness after death, then you mention transcending from this existence into another. Which do you truely believe in ....black nothingness or something else. Please elaborate.
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#3249 - 01/09/08 04:11 PM Re: life after death [Re: Bridgett Leavitt]
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Being a former Catholic and Christian, I have very mixed emotions on this subject. Because every religion I have spent real time in, its hard for me to consider the idea of "black". I think there's something after death. I think the only way for mankind to find out is to continue to call upon the "spirits" or "demons" or whatever you care to call them.
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#3250 - 01/09/08 04:59 PM Re: life after death [Re: Bridgett Leavitt]
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Some believe that when we die there is nothing.There are those who believe in reincarnation or even immortality in the astral universe.I think that the best way to make peace with this issue is to find an explanation that works for you because the only way you are really gona know is when your time comes.
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#3251 - 01/09/08 05:17 PM Re: life after death [Re: x.emo.danny.x]
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I believe that whatever it is that comprises our complete consciousness is lost upon death. The energy that made up our body is transcended into another, completely different state of existence. Every single living thing is unique...there has never been nor will there ever be another me, another centepede that currently lives in my bathroom, another tree like the one under my bedroom window, etc. This uniqueness in and of itself doesn't lend itself to the theory that we live on after death, come back as another being, or any other theory.

The challenge for sentient beings is to somehow retain the organizational pattern of energy that comprises their own uniqueness beyond this existence. "Immortal elemental energy" is merely the atoms and energy that make us who we are, but has existed for billions of years before it reorganized into this corporeal form. The claims that people have had over the millennia with regard to ghosts, spirits, spooks, etc. are all creations of their own reality. If you really want to see a ghost, you'll see one. That doesn't offer any tangible proof that there is any kind of afterlife.

I don't pretend to know how to transcend this life. I don't even think it's possible, at least not in the "afterlife" or "reincarnation" sense. I do, however, think there may be more to this particular expression of energy and I may even have the tools to find a metaphysical explanation of a more complete transition. Whether or not that encompasses my unique and complete consciousness...not likely. Then again, life is but a dream.
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#3253 - 01/09/08 05:24 PM Re: life after death [Re: Octavius]
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Very intresting Octavious. Are you saying that ghosts spirits and demons are figments of ones imagination? Does mean that if I REALLY wanted it to happen I could make my dead friends spirit appear? I dont think I fully understand you.
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#3258 - 01/09/08 05:45 PM Re: life after death [Re: x.emo.danny.x]
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Sure. You can make anything you want really happen if you REALLY want it to happen. You create your own reality. However, your reality is not like others. Don't expect others to see what you can...

Just be careful to differentiate between delusion and reality. This is all VERY theoretical metaphysics. I've seen it work in my life to incredible ends. Although I'd certainly expect nothing but skepticism from just about everyone with regard to this line of thinking. There are those, however, who are willing to entertain certain possibilities. To those people, the world changes and reality twists to suit their desire.
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#3265 - 01/09/08 06:38 PM Re: life after death [Re: Bridgett Leavitt]
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Though I am a Satanist, I do believe in the Hindu belief of re-incarnation, I mean some people have had therapy and even dreams that show that they had lived in previous lives. I don't see it as so far fetched, I don't know if there is a Heaven or a Hell, I think you keep going, until your soul is done, and when it's done, it's just like being eternally asleep
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#3282 - 01/10/08 12:29 AM Re: life after death [Re: Bridgett Leavitt]
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The enlightened realize that since we are all going to die what does it matter? Worrying about an afterlife now is not worth the time, what can you gain? What would you change? Are those changes worth making now anyway?

Are you afraid that should you renounce your faith that your soul will burn in eternal hellfire? Or do you believe that doing good will get you eternal happiness? Are you struggling to overcome this hurdle of fear?

Think of death being darkness and nothing that way if there is something you will be surprised… I am just hoping that the brain does not stay active on any conscious level through the embalming process or very long after death…

EDIT: Imagine 12 hours of laying there holy shit I am dead… Perhaps that is hell, laying there wanting the things you missed doing…

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Edited by ta2zz (01/10/08 12:32 AM)
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#3288 - 01/10/08 05:51 AM Re: life after death [Re: ta2zz]
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Nothing. That's the answer. Nothing happens to the hypothetical "soul". Worry about living your life, making each day worthwhile and enjoying life now and worry about the afterlife if and when you end up standing at those pearly gates.

Plenty of time to think about the soul after your dead, and if there isn't, who the fuck cares? You're dead!
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#3296 - 01/10/08 11:34 AM Re: life after death [Re: TornadoCreator]
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What real difference does it make? There is no way to know so in the end it's whatever helps you sleep at night. Some choose the route of "you die and thats it". Others prefer to believe in an afterlife or reincarnation. I say you'll find out when you get there. No point worrying about it now. Whatever happens is completely inevitable and none of us, nor anybody knows whats next if anything! You sure as hell can't do anything about it whatever the case.
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#3299 - 01/10/08 12:13 PM Re: life after death [Re: birdstrike]
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I believe a large degree of agnosticism is needed when dealing with this issue. However, an apathetic stance limits your understanding and knowledge of the world you live in. Answers like "Why bother? Who cares? What difference does it make?" only prove that you're not mentally able to entertain theories beyond your current level of education. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but as soon as you become stagnant in those beliefs, you cheating yourself out of knowledge, power, success, health and more. One need not "worry" about the alleged afterlife in order to entertain the notion.

Edited by Octavius (01/10/08 12:18 PM)
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#3312 - 01/10/08 06:13 PM Re: life after death [Re: Octavius]
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I personally see belief as a counter productive entity. I am not saying do not explore. My stance is more to not limit oneself with belief. I find that belief is stagnation. For the average person it is all but impossible to change a belief. In this our ego's get in the way. I find it better to develop ideas than foster beliefs. The idea is less rigid in nature, and can be altered, or even proven false without the negative consequences that come with belief.

I started writing something else here, but as I was, your meaning became very crystal clear. You are absolutely correct. I am unable to comprehend death or afterlife. As a direct result I am apathetic regarding it. I see it in no way effecting my existence. I merely accept it as inevitable and incomprehensible. I just can't see it as consequential to my existence.
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