#3771 - 02/02/08 02:11 PM
Re: Transgenderism.
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LUCIFERIFIC
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I was wondering what the opinion of people here is of transgenderism. Not anything on a sexual basis but simply the idea that people feel they identify enough with the opposite sex that they believe they should have been born as the opposite sex.
I've spent a little time looking into this over the past to day (I tend to pick a random subject that interests me and research it for a few days for fun) and I've noticed that there are 3 main groups in this: The people who insist they are the oposite gender to what they actually are, even down to the point of expecting people to use the pronouns they prefer. There are the people who go all out and get the sex change, good for them. And then there is the third unknown group, they want to be the opposite sex but rarely act upon it, these people are often called tomboyish or metrosexual (uuuggghhh, aweful phrase).
So opinions. Comments.
I don't hate, I give respect where its due, and some of those Newhalf Thai TGirls are freaking hot! I'd bang one. But then you get those TGirls that don't even try to look pretty - like the bikers in the moomoo with the lipstick on and the hairy legs sitting next to you at your Transgender support group meeting. I have several books on the subject of "transgenderism."
From what I've researched XY chromosome baring people tend to suffer from Gender Disphoria more often than XX girls because of certain factors that come into play while the XY fetus is in the womb?
Certain stress hormones that the mother's body produces are molecularly similar to estrogen. Hypothetically if the mother were in a situation where famine, war, struggle, puts a large amount of stress on her, these hormones floods the fetus's developing body and attaches onto the receptors. The receptors is fooled into thinking that it has estrogen in its grip, but these hormones don't cause the fetal body to undergo change. It only affects the more liquid or amorphous brain by making the fetus's "Bed Nucleus of the Stria Terminalis" bigger than that of a male's brain. The Bed Nucleus is the seat of one's subjective gender identity. In men it is smaller. The baby in this situation is born "Lordotic" a term transgender shrinks use. Lordosis is when a rat or cat in sexual heat places herself in front of a male, points her rear to him and arches her back. These Lordotic boys grow up either attracted to other boys as bottoms or are born with female brains and a male body and would not initiate mating or breeding with a female. This, according to some studies is a reactionary measure to keep the number of a tribe or group of people low as a reaction to the harsh stressful conditions. Some rat mothers were put into very stressful living conditions to test this hypothesis and many of the male rats grew up lordotic and kept on trying to get guy rats to mount them LOL.
Whatever it is I personally don't think it should have anything to do with a person being able to be a Satanist?
Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (02/02/08 02:15 PM)
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#3794 - 02/02/08 08:45 PM
Re: Transgenderism.
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LUCIFERIFIC
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The only problem that I see with what you are saying luciferific is that it doesn't explain the amount of women who beleive they are in 'mens' bodies. There are no XY girls.
Zeph
I know, that's a good point. Most of the books I've read on Transgenderism and the specialists that study this can't scientifically explain what could cause a girl to feel like she is a man; but from personal experience I have a girl cousin who since she learned to talk swore she was a boy and she refuses till this day to wear dresses. Studies do show thoe in the brains of females that have gone thru Sexual Reassignment (after they died they gave their broains to science) that their Bed Nucleus is smaller than a normal XX female's and is about the same size as a man's but no one know why. So I refrained from saying anything.
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#3821 - 02/03/08 04:02 PM
Re: Transgenderism.
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Nemesis
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An excerpt from an article I found about the subject at hand:
"Researchers in the Netherlands have discovered that a region of the hypothalamus, located at the floor of the brain, is about 50 percent larger in men than in women, and almost 60 percent larger in men than in male-to-female transsexuals. If smallness of this brain structure is at all correlated with the feeling of being a woman, the results raise tantalizing possibilities that transsexuals may in a sense be more female than females."
"In heterosexual and homosexual men, the bed nucleus measures about 2.6 cubic millimeters, about the size of the colorful, spherical head of a pushpin. In women, it averages 1.73 millimeters, and in transsexuals the average figure is 1.3. Some scientists cautioned that the estrogen treatment the transsexuals took as part of their sex-change therapy might have affected the size of their hypothalamus; but the Dutch researchers tried to rule out that factor by including brains of transsexuals who had stopped estrogen years earlier, as well as brains of men and women with varying hormonal conditions. In no case did the size of the bed nucleus appear to be influenced by adult hormone levels."
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#26996 - 07/10/09 01:59 AM
Re: Transgenderism.
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hellbent666
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I'm not in the least bit bi, but holy shit! I saw covers for transexual porn and I was like, "Nah, that can't be a dude! No fucking way!" Smokin hot! Some of these men turning into women look better than a ton of women I know! LOL! What is wrong with me?
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#27002 - 07/10/09 05:51 AM
Re: Transgenderism.
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Jake999
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Having lived for so long in the San Francisco Bay Area, I suppose the shock value of transgenderism wore off after about the 10th person I met. And I've seen a lot of shemales that are interesting to say the least. But the one thing that I found is that they seem to get female right from the down and dirty gut-instincts of most healthy men. They tend to go a bit over the top and hit that fantasy lever that we all have in the backs of our heads... the ones that make us look at Marilyn, Jayne Mansfield, Mamie VanDoren, and other "extreme" stereotypes, nod our heads and know that all is right with the world.
And you're right. Some of them can make you doubt your own senses, KNOWING that they're male, at least from birth, but beautiful as any woman ever born. If you're ever in the San Francisco area, just take a trip through the Polk/Turk Street areas or drive through the Castro and you'll be amazed. Of course, there are THE OTHERS... the ones that Frank Zappa wrote about in Broken Hearts Are For Assholes...
"And dagmar
(Without a doubt, the ugliest sonofabitch I ever saw in my life)
Was his name...
(One two three four!)
The whiskers sticking out from underneath of his
Pancake make-up
(And yet he was a beautiful lady)
Nearly drove you insane"
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#27031 - 07/11/09 10:43 PM
Re: Transgenderism.
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hellbent666
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What is wrong with me is I'm attracted to men that turned into women! That isn't right! I like WOMEN!!! But honestly if you put half of these beautiful transgendered women next to equally stimulating genuine women, I would be hard pressed to be able to tell which one was which. I'm not bi, but I am able to appreciate beauty when I see it. I'm an aspiring body builder so don't even get me started on physiques! I see a well sculpted physique on anyone, and I'm damn muh fucker, your hard work is paying off! So most hetero men would say, "So are you gay or something?" and my reply is always, "No dude. Just as straight as you are but I have a deeper appreciation for the beauty in people than you do." No one understands this. If there are any body builders on this forum they'll almost unanimously say the same thing, "We aspire to have the body that men envy, and women cream themselves looking at." Unless of course said body builder is gay 
I don't like a lot of the HGH freaky looking female figure competitors though. Bigger arms and lats than me is a huge turn off... But women that look like women that were once men? Hot but I wouldn't touch it with my worst enemies dick! LOL!
My token transgendered friend is a sweetie though. I really respect her a great deal, as she gives hope to others with similar struggles. She doesn't look like a woman though, pretty manish in the face. Still, mad props! Be you and be proud!
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#27137 - 07/15/09 04:08 PM
Re: Transgenderism.
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The Zebu
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There's nothing wrong with thinking that some "traps" are hot. In fact, there's something wrong with you if you DON'T. The Thai ones are especially pretty.
If you want to turn yourself into a ladyboy, go right ahead and do your thing. But my problem is when people do it WRONG, ie, they don't get it until they're too old, or they simply DON'T have the type of body for it, and as a result they look like monstrosities.
Seriously, if you don't already look feminine, DON'T get an operation; it will only make you look worse. And keep your dick, too- it may look out of place, but it's better than castrating yourself and having to miss out on sex the rest of your life.
On that note, I suspect that I'm actually a lesbian trapped in a man's body...
Edited by The Zebu (07/15/09 04:09 PM)
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