#32783 - 12/11/09 08:21 AM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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Meq
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A longer video excerpt
Edit: I found the full thing and embedded it below.
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#32788 - 12/11/09 10:18 AM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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#32860 - 12/13/09 12:21 PM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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What can I say? After Al Gore won it, I took it as a sign it was going downhill. Obama became a candidate for it only a few weeks into office. To say that is premature is an under-statement! The same week he sends troops to the middle-east, he receives the peace prize.
I must give him this. He IS a smooth talker. He received it with finesse, addressing the irony, which, probably as intended, drew positive feedback from politicians, including anti-obama bimbo Palin. So, in such a way, he turned an otherwise negative thing that could have cost him, into a positive thing to grab him favor.
Personally I have YET to see where he has solved anything. He talks it well, but still very little solid results. To me, the Nobel Peace Prize should be for people who cure diseases, discover amazing technology, or the like. Actions that ACTUALLY contribute to mankind. That's just my two-cents.
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#32896 - 12/14/09 02:05 AM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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Woland
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How's that Hope and Change working out?
I am thoroughly amused by the political manoeuvring displayed by Mr. Obama.
His song and dance is kinda mesmerizing.
A trained professional for sure.
Interesting how my culture seems intent to ignore the political reality of Mr. Obama.
He has so far managed (either by choice or by European media) to come across as the friendly mixture of a slightly leftist European conservative, and a social democrat.
May we live in interesting times, Ladies and Gentlemen.
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#32910 - 12/14/09 05:31 PM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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His song and dance is kinda mesmerizing.
He get's from his father's side. His people have a tradition of being gifted at song and dance.
Europe gives Obama a pass because they know he is a true red International Socialist. He speaks in the language of International Socialism. The question is, will he hold true to his foundational beliefs or will he rise to meet his obligations as an AMERICAN president?
The US press is already beginning to turn on him. Saturday Night Live and John Stewart now make fun of him. His ratings in the polls continue to drop - fast and hard. The American people are starting to wake up. At what point with Europe turn on him?
Oh, this is truly the best thing on television!
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#32929 - 12/15/09 08:40 AM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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Sic vis pacem, para bellum.
The dictum of any great Empire. Unfortunately, it seems that after a bit of flirting with diplomacy, dialog, and a 'new tone' he has returned to the Pax Americana doctrine.
Is this the Change you Hoped for?
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#32938 - 12/15/09 05:17 PM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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Obama needs to dig through a mile of shit to get where he needs to be, if his goals are what he claims they are.
He is a 'Blame America' International Socialist. That "mile of shit" is the American people. America is a center-right country. American is only now waking up to who this guy really is. That is why he is diving in the polls and Democrat party is having great difficulty moving their Leftist agenda forward despite controlling all three branches of govt and having 60 Senators.
As for his inherited war on terror
Well surprise, surprise, surprise that war done snuck up on him!
What the fuck did he think he was running for? As a leader, he doesn't get to blame the other guy. Leaders take charge of the situation. They don't quibble. He should spend a little more time trying to fix the problem and a little less time trying to fix the blame.
We didn't get a vote on 911. We were attacked. However, if you want to play the blame game, Bin Laden had been a major player since Clinton's botched operation in Somalia. The CIA was running a Special Forces team in Afghanistan in the late 90's. They were ready to send Afghan Northern Alliance forces to his compound and kill him. But, a Clinton appointed lawyer in the CIA shut the operation down. Instead, they launched a few cruise missiles and blew up an aspirin factory in Pakistan.
Hell, if it were not for Clinton's bumbling, we wouldn't be dealing with Somali pirates today!
I know I must sound like one of the last administration's military advisors
The truth of it is, most of the professional military advisors stayed on in the White House in the Office of the Vice President. Obama is getting the same advice. It is just up to him as how to proceed.
but we haven't really got the hang of memetic warfare against an enemy like the jihadists. They're impermeable.
Only a very small percentage of our problems in Afghanistan come from hard core ideological Taliban. AQ only has about 100 operatives in the Af-Pak region. The problem is that these govts don't do anything particularly useful that benefit people and as such, the people do not support the govt. They know they are all alone in the world. They must balance their relationship with neighboring tribes, would be govt officials, the Taliban, AQ, and the US military. This is pretty much the formula they have followed for the last 1000 years and no Yale, Harvard, or Oxford educated individual is going to be able to affect this reality. The fact of the matter is that these people may be uniquely unfit to find a solution to the problem. Their world view limits the sort of actions they are willing to entertain even though logic would dictate fairly obvious solutions.
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#32943 - 12/15/09 06:09 PM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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Well, since you ask....
Ending the war is very easy, but again, the great minds from Yale, Harvard, Leeds and Oxford would never go for it.
Try this:
Turn Afghanistan into a Special Operations playground. Kick out the State Dept. Allow SOCOM to run the war. Put all conventional forces under the control of SOCOM. Right now, conventional 'Big Army' runs the war and the COIN experts (Army Special Forces) are subordinate to Big Army. If the war ends up in Wazirastan then so be it.
Then, and this is the hard part, the West must drop political correctness. Racial, ethnic and religious profiling must be the rule. All mosques and pro-Islam organizations must be investigated and treated in the same manner as organized crime. Assets must be seized, arrests must be made. CARE International is directly linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.
What is required is a phase shift in thinking. Personally, I am not sure we are up to the task.
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#32949 - 12/15/09 07:40 PM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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CJB
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The thing about dropping political correctness (and please note that I don't disagree with you) and doing all these things is it will increase animosity towards the U.S., which may in turn fuel future attacks.
The trick is to destroy the enemy, convince the enemy's allies not to be their allies through force, coercion, bribery, whatever (although I personally doubt reason will work with them), convince our allies not to jump ship when we start doing this (see above), and make sure that the people that are neutral stay neutral.
It's a grand juggling act. Doing what you suggest would indeed bring a swift end to the current war. It would, however, fuel future wars, especially if that's the only thing that gets done. The military aspect of war is only one aspect of it, as is the security aspect (the racial, etc. profiling). Not doing as you suggest will drag the current situation on and on.
What's the solution? Fuck if I know. I doubt there really is one. Wars will come and go, again and again, until we're all dead.
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#32955 - 12/15/09 10:31 PM
Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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Fist
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The fact of the matter is that the world is full of people who will attack us 'just because.'
I have a PhD in Applied Violence. There is very little I don't know about the meta-physics of violence. Never in the history of conflict has anyone defended themselves by showing weakness. America should strive to gain the respect of friend and foe alike. However, some people will never respect you, so at the very least they must fear you.
When entering a fight, you must fully embrace the fact that you will get hit. Not getting hit must never be a goal. To do so will always put you in a position of defense. Your options will then always be limited and your opponent will always then possess the initiative. Therefor, your strategy must always be to take the most decisive action first. Do those things that your opponent will find the most crippling and difficult to recover from. To quote the master himself, “Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu also offers these two gems that I believe apply most directly to our current situation:
“Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.”
“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”
The fact of the matter is that we have no clear national strategy to deal with our immediate problems in Afghanistan and the more overall problem of Islamic Radicalism. There is no plan. Obama's challenge is to first find a plan. Right now, he doesn't have one, nor is he likely to develop one. Because, in his world view, Islam is not the problem.
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