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#32973 - 12/16/09 03:36 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: CJB]
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 Originally Posted By: CJB

I am rather curious what a PhD in applied violence entails...


Be happy you never have to find out. The well trained, well armed soldier can do a hell of a lot of damage on his own. Multiply his capabilities to the Squad level, even more. To the Brigade level... it gets pretty bad pretty quick.

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#32993 - 12/17/09 08:02 AM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Fist]
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I guess that Islam itself isn't the case here because it's going to prove its values in the nearest future. I was talking with an arabic girl and although she's a student at an university she's obviously culturally inferior. But what amazed me is that she compromised with my concept of world without god and didn't try to convert me at all. It's not the attitude of Muslims by which we're bombarded by the media - as jihad-lusting fierce creatures who'd rampage and destroy our civilization. What she said was interesting though - a lot of muslims believe that the terrorist actions are a problem and they're against it.
The thing she pointed out, though, is that everyone's against Jews. And Jews are against Muslims. And as far as I'm concerned American policy towards the global politics is heavily influenced by Jews... And here's the problem, or is it not?

Personally I believe that war isn't necessary, it doesn't solve a thing - in contrary - it costs damn much and national debt of America is what now? Four trillion dollars? How the ruined economy of not-so-long-ago greatest power of the world can survive another years of an expensive war on another continent?
Vietnam's a lesson. Should be.

American warfare is interesting though it's obvious it isn't fought for religion and Islam isn't a problem. The problem is OIL and as long as "all your oil are belong to U.S." attitude will be valid... we wouldn't get a clear answers for the reason, plans, tactics, strategies of making "our" great big white world survive.
Because, as we can observe in Europe - Germany, France and England's flooded by Muslims. It's not that long before countries economically inferior such as Poland or Holland would be flooded too. The other stream of immigrant's Europe isn't going to be able to resist comes from China which colonizes Syberia now. And actually, all those things are not the greatest problem of all...

Political Correctness, as Fist stated is THE problem. Because as long as we'd live this crazy delusion that people should be able to cultivate their culture limitlessly inside the borders of a foreign (to them) country we'd have racial problems. If you step into the Muslim country you wouldn't try to convince your beautiful blonde wife to swim naked in the sea. You wouldn't scream "GOD IS DEAD" on the street, you wouldn't even be able to play in a black metal band probably. But still it's unbelieveable for Muslims they should live by the rules of European society while they're in Europe.
Europe needs a damn strict policy of... racial segregation OR a total shift in meaning of the word "race" - into a giant multicultural peaceful race which lives in harmony. We're not supposed to reach this second goal as humans in this century and probably never will so there's only the first option left, I guess.

And America... as long as it's going to carry on with it's "we're all special and different and we have to respect each other" policy is going to have problems. But still I get the notion that America's far more racially prejudiced than Europe towards Muslims and other Asian races. Maybe this is going to save it.
I dunno, maybe we'd see the answer emerge in the next 10 years.
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#33000 - 12/17/09 03:25 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: DelYa]
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 Originally Posted By: DelYa
I was talking with an arabic girl and although she's a student at an university she's obviously culturally inferior. But what amazed me is that she compromised with my concept of world without god and didn't try to convert me at all.


Excuse me. Culturally inferior? In what manner?

 Originally Posted By: DelYa
But still it's unbelieveable for Muslims they should live by the rules of European society while they're in Europe.


Well; I must admit to knowing a couple of Moslems.
(Secular of course, I can't abide true believers of any kind.)
These individuals are in fact all about respecting the ground rules of our "democrazy".
Anything else would be bad for biz...

I've said it before and I will say it again.
If forced to choose between plague and cholera, I will urinate in the face of both.

But; as religiophilosophical constructs go, Islam has a lot more sense going on than the JudeoXian bullshit.


Edited by Woland (12/17/09 03:26 PM)
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#33001 - 12/17/09 03:43 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Europe gives Obama a pass because they know he is a true red International Socialist. He speaks in the language of International Socialism. The question is, will he hold true to his foundational beliefs or will he rise to meet his obligations as an AMERICAN president?


My dear Fist.

Good to see you back and posting!

Yet; if Mr. Obama can be categorized as an "International Socialist", then our local Conservatives are full blooded Communists, and our Social Democrats something like raving mad Stalinists?

The colour of contemporary Socialism is IMO akin to Urine...
So; I find this picture plain silly...



I'll give you that Mr. Obama might be a tad pink after U.S. Standards.
But the European (un-reciprocated) love affair with Mr. Obama has more to do with un-realistic projections of what the naivety of our intellectual middle-class (academics and media) will associate with any well-spoken "darkie" in power.
Laughable? Sure...

I truly enjoyed Mr. Obamas speech.
Well written and utterly American.
Made aforementioned "intellectuals" wince for a golden moment,
until the distaste was drowned by the charms, might and glory of the emperor.

Anyone for LBM?
Hail Cesar!


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#33004 - 12/17/09 05:48 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Woland]
DelYa Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Woland
Excuse me. Culturally inferior? In what manner?


It's all about details - for example: I bought a cup of coffee, cup made of polystyrene and when I was tearing it into pieces she asked me if the lady who sold me the coffee wouldn't need that cup back.
It's details but they're painful to my ears - how can somebody have such basic problems understanding a throw-away society?
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#33006 - 12/17/09 06:19 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: DelYa]
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I wouldn't call that culturally inferior so much as culturally ignorant, if for no other reason than to avoid negative connotations. Ignorance means that they've never seen that before, and there's nothing really wrong with that. Inferiority, to me at least, would entail something more along the lines of a refusal to learn. If she saw you doing that, asked you what you were doing etc., and then she called you the devil for wasting shit like that...maybe then.
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#33012 - 12/17/09 09:31 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: CJB]
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Ignorance means that they've never seen that before

Man, now we have to indict everyone with pre-WWW educations. And no, that wasn't a World War 3 reference, but from the World Wide Web.
I have been directly accused of being a World War 3 (Apocalypse) fan. But, before the Holidays, enjoy this!

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#33014 - 12/17/09 09:43 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Woland]
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the European (un-reciprocated) love affair with Mr. Obama has more to do with un-realistic projections of what the naivety of our intellectual middle-class (academics and media) will associate with any well-spoken "darkie" in power


Wow! Sorry, I was too involved with reading/posting on an earlier note and just fell-upon your post Woland. We, here, living within the Bullshit United States agree with you... Please, Edit Marx and send it, via carrier-wave to the United States...(Lower 48 please). Then we can begin to utilize our educational system to raise, within 23 years, pseudo-adolescents intelligent enough to give you a good game. BTW - I know this will rankle...But enjoy a system of communication developed by a non-'frozen' think tank up the street from where I live. \:\) Happy Holidays!
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#33030 - 12/18/09 02:13 AM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: DelYa]
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It's all about details - for example: I bought a cup of coffee, cup made of polystyrene and when I was tearing it into pieces she asked me if the lady who sold me the coffee wouldn't need that cup back.
It's details but they're painful to my ears - how can somebody have such basic problems understanding a throw-away society?

Or she was giving a slight hint so you would stop annoying her when tearing the cup apart...
Maybe she hadn't any problems understanding a "throw-away society" but only problems with the idea of a throw=away society itself (which I can very much relate to).

Ignorance is based on actions whom aren't well-thought and on unbiased ideas.
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#33146 - 12/22/09 06:36 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Woland]
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Oh, rest assured, Obama is an International Socialist of the old school. He has covered this pretty well in his TWO memoirs. I am pretty sure in the right social setting he could belt out a few lines of The Internationale in French! His first few years of school were spent in an Islamic religious school. After his dad split the scene, his male role models were Black Identity Theorists. Latter, he became a student and devote' of Saul Alinsky. He is fully steeped in the doctrine of the International Socialist movement as it existed in the US in the 1970's.

However...

He is still an American President. And a strange thing happens to them when they assume office. There are two theories on this phenomenon.

1) The real human president is abducted and replaced by a Reptillian Alien who can shape-shift to look (mostly) like the 'real' president. They then go about the business of advancing the Reptillian Agenda.

2) They go into office and get a lot of highly classified briefings and privileged information. They quickly learn that there is the world as they wish it was, and then there is the world as it REALLY is. And the real world is pretty fucking ugly. They then have to decide what bad things they are going to allow to happen and what REALLY bad things they are going to try to stop. The whole time they are trying to reconcile their idealism with practical reality.
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#33345 - 12/29/09 01:04 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Fist]
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Perhaps a good first step to ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is to stop calling them wars. Wars imply some sort of competition. The “wars” have consisted of the U.S. bombing the hell out of the countries and then setting up shop there. The “insurgents” are mostly low-level thugs who have nothing better to do than take pot shots at the foreign occupiers.

The fact of the matter is that no matter how long the U.S. military babysits in those countries, the minute we leave things will go right back to being fucked up. The “war” cannot be won. Fucked-up-ness is too deeply engrained in their culture.

I say we get our military out - at least the bulk of it - and focus on building OUR nation for a change. Adopt a policy of containment, limiting our involvement to sanctions, diplomacy and intelligence gathering. Then if anyone attacks us we give them 10 times what they gave us, blow them back into the Stone Age if necessary. America has better things to do with its time and resources than play whack-a-mole.
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#51580 - 03/22/11 04:15 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: William Wright]
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Over the last few years watching Obama work has been something of a comic-tragedy.

To further add insult to injury, the Nobel Prize winning Obama, not being happy with the two wars he 'inherited', has now decided to start his own war!

In case you didn't know, the US is now at war with Libya. We don't really know why we are there, we don't really know what we are trying to do, we don't who we are supporting, and the US Congress has not voted on this which is flatly un-constitutional. Never the less, none of this is stopping Obama!

Can the Nobel Committee take back a Peace Prize?
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#51582 - 03/22/11 04:47 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
and the US Congress has not voted on this which is flatly un-constitutional. Never the less, none of this is stopping Obama!


Actually, can't your president do whatever he wants with the army because of the 1973 War Powers Act? I probably misread it, but I've got the impression that he has got free hands for a period of 60/90 days after the emergence of a military conflict...
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#51584 - 03/22/11 04:56 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Fist]
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I guess this is the prize to pay for the Iraq matter which troubled some NATO members.

It might have been time to cash in and salve some old wounds. ;\)

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#51585 - 03/22/11 05:04 PM Re: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Phobos]
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 Originally Posted By: Phobos
Actually, can't your president do whatever he wants with the army because of the 1973 War Powers Act? I probably misread it, but I've got the impression that he has got free hands for a period of 60/90 days after the emergence of a military conflict...


He can do whatever he wants with the army because he's the Commander in Chief. He can do whatever he wants in general, as long as he's willing to face the consequences.

He's had two practice wars to bring down terrorism and spread democracy - third time's the charm, right?

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Can the Nobel Committee take back a Peace Prize?

Everybody knows that a good war stimulates the economy. Maybe they'll give him another one
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