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#33137 - 12/22/09 09:27 AM "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
MorningStar93 Offline
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The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Hi, Im doing research for a book and would
like to start a discussion on the following:

As a Thelemite I carry with me the vision that:
"Every man and every woman is a star."

A common attitude among the Black Brotherhood is that
"the many exist so that the few can have a good time"

What is your take on this? I hav'nt read the SB and
would be happy for some direction on the Satanic
view on this.

Love is the law, love under will.
Yours fraternally,
MorningStar93

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#33148 - 12/22/09 07:29 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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The self proclaimed Thelemite,
Do not ask of others what you can do yourself.

Hi, I’m a Satanist and member here at the 600 club
And would like to point out to you the following:

As a Satanist I believe that:
“You not of my pack are worth little effort.”

A common attitude among those on this forum is that
“Poetry is not allowed”

What do you think about that? You should start
by reading the SB. I can only hope you are happy
with the direction this is going so far.

~T~


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#33150 - 12/22/09 08:08 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: ta2zz]
Morgan Offline
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In addition to what Ta2zz has written, is it not a little presumptuous to call all of us members of the black brotherhood?

Do you even understand what that term means?

Before you write a book on a topic, you should have the brains to at least read something about it, instead of asking us to do your homework for you.

Read the book first, then ask your questions

Plus read the forums, and you just might learn something.

Morgan
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#33151 - 12/22/09 08:14 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Morgan]
Mercury_Templar Offline
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...thanks Morgan - you beat me to it. Yet another Thelemite wannabe who doesn't even appear to understand their own philosophy, asking complete strangers to spoon feed them. How sad.

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#33161 - 12/23/09 11:19 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: ta2zz]
MorningStar93 Offline
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Agreed. I don't want to come across as a party breaker.
I wanted to cut it out but a bit slipped through.

Hermetic science teaches that there are three schools
of magick. White, Black and Yellow. I belong to the
Yellow. (no connection to skin color)

In most magickal secret societies initiation is conducted
vertically from teacher to student to continue the "line"
(as compared to doing the serious work in a web forum).

Another attitude I came across was a carribian voodoo priest
that I had a Mage-War with. As he sunk to the bottom of the
pit he vomited things like:
- "Shared power is lost power"


ta2zz:
As a Satanist I believe that:
“You not of my pack are worth little effort.”

My reply:
Agreed. But isn't a vision for the future a good idea?
"The Great Work"- something...


Morgan:
Plus read the forums, and you just might learn something

My reply:
I looked around a bit. \:\)


Morgan:
In addition to what Ta2zz has written, is it not a little
presumptuous to call all of us members of the black brotherhood?
Do you even understand what that term means?

My reply:
I Do. The black brotherhood opposes the elevation of mankind.
They promote cheap labour and seeks to block spiritual education.
Many of them do no harm but the BB's in the very top do. As a
thelemite I believe that the slaves shall serve the masters but
that also means, cooperation, and a genuine concern for people.


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#33162 - 12/23/09 11:36 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
Dimitri Offline
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Morningstar..

It is wise to take the words of Morgan and Ta2zz for granted.
There are some here with more knowledge about hermetic science/Thelema then you probably will ever know.

I suggest you better look around, act less stupid and be a little more carefull with your words.

 Quote:
Agreed. But isn't a vision for the future a good idea?
"The Great Work"- something...

There are many visions for the future. Only problem that there is no universal agreed one, nor will their ever be due to the fact that people just have different views and opinions.

 Quote:
In most magickal secret societies initiation is conducted
vertically from teacher to student to continue the "line"
(as compared to doing the serious work in a web forum).

How nice is it to refer to "secret societies". Really adds up to the credibility factor...

 Quote:
Another attitude I came across was a carribian voodoo priest
that I had a Mage-War with. As he sunk to the bottom of the
pit he vomited things like:
- "Shared power is lost power"

Play less fantasy games..
And mage-war? What did you do? Slap dicks together or throw the highest roll with a dice?

Perhaps this isn't the right place for you..


Edited by Dimitri (12/23/09 11:42 AM)
Edit Reason: Grammar/spell check
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#33197 - 12/24/09 08:04 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Dimitri]
MorningStar93 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri

There are many visions for the future. Only problem that there is no universal agreed one, nor will their ever be due to the fact that people just have different views and opinions.

Ahh.. and many talk about Democracy like it's a good thing.

 Quote:
How nice is it to refer to "secret societies". Really adds up to the credibility factor...

Illusion can be very real.
Is'nt you calling yourself a satanist the same thing?

 Quote:
Play less fantasy games..

I disagree. My early schooling in Magick came from fantasy
books like Katherine Kerr and her book Dagger Spell.
I got a moment of wow when the Master Wizard in the book
utters "In the name of the Kings I lift this sigill" when
he penetrates through an astral defense mechanics.

 Quote:
Perhaps this isn't the right place for you..

I was looking for high society and good debate.

Unless it runs dry there might come out some real progress
from this thread. Sorry if I'm a bit pushy but I'm in war
mode.

Ohh.. and the "every man and every woman is a star" was
coined by Platon.

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#33198 - 12/24/09 08:27 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
Dimitri Offline
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Is'nt you calling yourself a satanist the same thing?

I actually prefer the label "intelligent individual", it's others who like to shorten it to Satanist. Something beyond my control..

Satanist is with a capital 'S' by the way.

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Illusion can be very real.

What a strange logic..
If I claim such a thing in front of collagues and/or professors I'm being lynched.

 Quote:
I disagree. My early schooling in Magick came from fantasy
books like Katherine Kerr and her book Dagger Spell.
I got a moment of wow when the Master Wizard in the book
utters "In the name of the Kings I lift this sigill" when
he penetrates through an astral defense mechanics.

There is this fundamental difference in definition between the words "reality" and "fantasy".
The things you dream about aren't real, neither are the stories where flying dragons rescue princesses and slay princes.

Unless ofcourse you can magically give me some kind of choclate cookie floating in front of my face asking me to eat it..


 Quote:
I was looking for high society and good debate.

Perhaps the kind of 'high society' you are looking for is more or less situated here.. --> http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/viewcategory/75882

 Quote:
Ohh.. and the "every man and every woman is a star" was
coined by Platon.

I disagree with that statement.. some look like some kind of messed up piece of meteorite after slamming on a few planets of garbage.


Edited by Dimitri (12/24/09 08:30 AM)
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#33203 - 12/24/09 02:25 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Dimitri]
MorningStar93 Offline
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Once and for all, Thelema is a Satanic philosophy.
But it is also for everyone.

Sooner or later all students of the occult hit the ceiling.
My lack of education on modern Satanism is a bit embarrassing
and I should have aligned myself to "US" from the begining.
(I won't fail in adressing these failures though)

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
There is this fundamental difference in efinition between the words "reality" and "fantasy". The things you dream about aren't real, neither are the stories where flying dragons rescue princesses and slay princes.

You cannot say that dreams ar'nt real.
You either dream the dream or you don't.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Unless ofcourse you can magically give me some kind of choclate cookie floating in front of my face asking me to eat it..

I have a fresh cucumber in the fridge if that is good
enough for you.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Perhaps the kind of 'high society' you are looking for is more or less situated here.. -->
http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/viewcategory/75882

My favourite MtG cards were Atog and Deflection but then
I grew up and got other interests.

I got the Wii game "Wii Sports Resort" in gift by my
brother so I'm gonna invite some friends and play games
over the next few days \:\)

There is no law beyond do what thou wilt.

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#33204 - 12/24/09 03:57 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
Dimitri Offline
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 Quote:
My lack of education on modern Satanism is a bit embarrassing
and I should have aligned myself to "US" from the begining.

Therefor a certain advice has been repeated 3 times already:

 Originally Posted By: Ta2zz
What do you think about that? You should start
by reading the SB.


 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Before you write a book on a topic, you should have the brains to at least read something about it, instead of asking us to do your homework for you.

Read the book first, then ask your questions

Plus read the forums, and you just might learn something.


And I also mentioned it.

 Quote:
There is no law beyond do what thou wilt

Could you for once think a bit first before quoting pieces of text you probably have no background information about..

On a second thought, you aren't worth my time.
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#33261 - 12/26/09 08:56 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Dimitri]
MorningStar93 Offline
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The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

I asked my superior for some advice and got this:
-"My advice: bite your tongue ... it could be a
difficult period if you're not true to your Word."

Act One ends here.

Love is the law, love under will.
Yours fraternally,
MorningStar93

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#33265 - 12/26/09 12:30 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
Natalia666 Offline
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wow, this is like a bad version of Harry Potter. Could you be any more over dramatic?

If you want facts about Satanism, go read a book! That's what they were written for. Especially when the Satanic Bible is on this website free to download. No one is going to waste their time "enlightening" you about a philosophy because your too lazy to go read. Simple as that.
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#33447 - 01/01/10 02:44 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
MorningStar93 Offline
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The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

How ill omened. I wanted to awaken the Kundalini.
Instead everything became... RUN RUN RUN !!!
Watch out! Karma might come back and bite ya...

I know the members here can smell fear a mile away.
How do you disolve a universe if you fail?
(Al III:1): "Abrahadabra; the reward of Ra Hoor Khut."

It all comes down to learning how to adress problems
that show up and just keep your head from over heating.



Love is the law, love under will.
Yours fraternally,
MorningStar93

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#33448 - 01/01/10 03:34 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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 Quote:

The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

As has been pointed out, thelema is not Satanism, and vice versa. As such your repeated chanting of this thelemic mantra comes off as just so much preaching. Are you hoping to make converts?

Or are you so hopelessly misled as to believe your particular brand of spirituality is somehow brethren to our carnal religion?
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#33449 - 01/01/10 03:34 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
Bacchae Offline
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I find you tedious and annoying. Try being less presumptuous in your blanket statements, and perhaps take the condescension down a notch.
This is not a forum centered on Thelema, although we certainly do not discourage fans or adherents from participating. The endless stream of pseudo-researchings claiming to be writing books or articles, however, is nothing short of remarkable. Almost weekly it seems. Yet I have never seen anything published in more than a decade of 600 clubbing.

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