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#33137 - 12/22/09 09:27 AM "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
MorningStar93 Offline
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The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Hi, Im doing research for a book and would
like to start a discussion on the following:

As a Thelemite I carry with me the vision that:
"Every man and every woman is a star."

A common attitude among the Black Brotherhood is that
"the many exist so that the few can have a good time"

What is your take on this? I hav'nt read the SB and
would be happy for some direction on the Satanic
view on this.

Love is the law, love under will.
Yours fraternally,
MorningStar93

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#33148 - 12/22/09 07:29 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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The self proclaimed Thelemite,
Do not ask of others what you can do yourself.

Hi, I’m a Satanist and member here at the 600 club
And would like to point out to you the following:

As a Satanist I believe that:
“You not of my pack are worth little effort.”

A common attitude among those on this forum is that
“Poetry is not allowed”

What do you think about that? You should start
by reading the SB. I can only hope you are happy
with the direction this is going so far.

~T~


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#33150 - 12/22/09 08:08 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: ta2zz]
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In addition to what Ta2zz has written, is it not a little presumptuous to call all of us members of the black brotherhood?

Do you even understand what that term means?

Before you write a book on a topic, you should have the brains to at least read something about it, instead of asking us to do your homework for you.

Read the book first, then ask your questions

Plus read the forums, and you just might learn something.

Morgan
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#33151 - 12/22/09 08:14 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Morgan]
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...thanks Morgan - you beat me to it. Yet another Thelemite wannabe who doesn't even appear to understand their own philosophy, asking complete strangers to spoon feed them. How sad.

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#33161 - 12/23/09 11:19 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: ta2zz]
MorningStar93 Offline
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Agreed. I don't want to come across as a party breaker.
I wanted to cut it out but a bit slipped through.

Hermetic science teaches that there are three schools
of magick. White, Black and Yellow. I belong to the
Yellow. (no connection to skin color)

In most magickal secret societies initiation is conducted
vertically from teacher to student to continue the "line"
(as compared to doing the serious work in a web forum).

Another attitude I came across was a carribian voodoo priest
that I had a Mage-War with. As he sunk to the bottom of the
pit he vomited things like:
- "Shared power is lost power"


ta2zz:
As a Satanist I believe that:
“You not of my pack are worth little effort.”

My reply:
Agreed. But isn't a vision for the future a good idea?
"The Great Work"- something...


Morgan:
Plus read the forums, and you just might learn something

My reply:
I looked around a bit. \:\)


Morgan:
In addition to what Ta2zz has written, is it not a little
presumptuous to call all of us members of the black brotherhood?
Do you even understand what that term means?

My reply:
I Do. The black brotherhood opposes the elevation of mankind.
They promote cheap labour and seeks to block spiritual education.
Many of them do no harm but the BB's in the very top do. As a
thelemite I believe that the slaves shall serve the masters but
that also means, cooperation, and a genuine concern for people.


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#33162 - 12/23/09 11:36 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
Dimitri Offline
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Morningstar..

It is wise to take the words of Morgan and Ta2zz for granted.
There are some here with more knowledge about hermetic science/Thelema then you probably will ever know.

I suggest you better look around, act less stupid and be a little more carefull with your words.

 Quote:
Agreed. But isn't a vision for the future a good idea?
"The Great Work"- something...

There are many visions for the future. Only problem that there is no universal agreed one, nor will their ever be due to the fact that people just have different views and opinions.

 Quote:
In most magickal secret societies initiation is conducted
vertically from teacher to student to continue the "line"
(as compared to doing the serious work in a web forum).

How nice is it to refer to "secret societies". Really adds up to the credibility factor...

 Quote:
Another attitude I came across was a carribian voodoo priest
that I had a Mage-War with. As he sunk to the bottom of the
pit he vomited things like:
- "Shared power is lost power"

Play less fantasy games..
And mage-war? What did you do? Slap dicks together or throw the highest roll with a dice?

Perhaps this isn't the right place for you..


Edited by Dimitri (12/23/09 11:42 AM)
Edit Reason: Grammar/spell check
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#33197 - 12/24/09 08:04 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Dimitri]
MorningStar93 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri

There are many visions for the future. Only problem that there is no universal agreed one, nor will their ever be due to the fact that people just have different views and opinions.

Ahh.. and many talk about Democracy like it's a good thing.

 Quote:
How nice is it to refer to "secret societies". Really adds up to the credibility factor...

Illusion can be very real.
Is'nt you calling yourself a satanist the same thing?

 Quote:
Play less fantasy games..

I disagree. My early schooling in Magick came from fantasy
books like Katherine Kerr and her book Dagger Spell.
I got a moment of wow when the Master Wizard in the book
utters "In the name of the Kings I lift this sigill" when
he penetrates through an astral defense mechanics.

 Quote:
Perhaps this isn't the right place for you..

I was looking for high society and good debate.

Unless it runs dry there might come out some real progress
from this thread. Sorry if I'm a bit pushy but I'm in war
mode.

Ohh.. and the "every man and every woman is a star" was
coined by Platon.

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#33198 - 12/24/09 08:27 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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 Quote:
Is'nt you calling yourself a satanist the same thing?

I actually prefer the label "intelligent individual", it's others who like to shorten it to Satanist. Something beyond my control..

Satanist is with a capital 'S' by the way.

 Quote:
Illusion can be very real.

What a strange logic..
If I claim such a thing in front of collagues and/or professors I'm being lynched.

 Quote:
I disagree. My early schooling in Magick came from fantasy
books like Katherine Kerr and her book Dagger Spell.
I got a moment of wow when the Master Wizard in the book
utters "In the name of the Kings I lift this sigill" when
he penetrates through an astral defense mechanics.

There is this fundamental difference in definition between the words "reality" and "fantasy".
The things you dream about aren't real, neither are the stories where flying dragons rescue princesses and slay princes.

Unless ofcourse you can magically give me some kind of choclate cookie floating in front of my face asking me to eat it..


 Quote:
I was looking for high society and good debate.

Perhaps the kind of 'high society' you are looking for is more or less situated here.. --> http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/viewcategory/75882

 Quote:
Ohh.. and the "every man and every woman is a star" was
coined by Platon.

I disagree with that statement.. some look like some kind of messed up piece of meteorite after slamming on a few planets of garbage.


Edited by Dimitri (12/24/09 08:30 AM)
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#33203 - 12/24/09 02:25 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Dimitri]
MorningStar93 Offline
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Once and for all, Thelema is a Satanic philosophy.
But it is also for everyone.

Sooner or later all students of the occult hit the ceiling.
My lack of education on modern Satanism is a bit embarrassing
and I should have aligned myself to "US" from the begining.
(I won't fail in adressing these failures though)

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
There is this fundamental difference in efinition between the words "reality" and "fantasy". The things you dream about aren't real, neither are the stories where flying dragons rescue princesses and slay princes.

You cannot say that dreams ar'nt real.
You either dream the dream or you don't.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Unless ofcourse you can magically give me some kind of choclate cookie floating in front of my face asking me to eat it..

I have a fresh cucumber in the fridge if that is good
enough for you.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Perhaps the kind of 'high society' you are looking for is more or less situated here.. -->
http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/viewcategory/75882

My favourite MtG cards were Atog and Deflection but then
I grew up and got other interests.

I got the Wii game "Wii Sports Resort" in gift by my
brother so I'm gonna invite some friends and play games
over the next few days \:\)

There is no law beyond do what thou wilt.

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#33204 - 12/24/09 03:57 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
Dimitri Offline
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 Quote:
My lack of education on modern Satanism is a bit embarrassing
and I should have aligned myself to "US" from the begining.

Therefor a certain advice has been repeated 3 times already:

 Originally Posted By: Ta2zz
What do you think about that? You should start
by reading the SB.


 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Before you write a book on a topic, you should have the brains to at least read something about it, instead of asking us to do your homework for you.

Read the book first, then ask your questions

Plus read the forums, and you just might learn something.


And I also mentioned it.

 Quote:
There is no law beyond do what thou wilt

Could you for once think a bit first before quoting pieces of text you probably have no background information about..

On a second thought, you aren't worth my time.
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#33261 - 12/26/09 08:56 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Dimitri]
MorningStar93 Offline
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The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

I asked my superior for some advice and got this:
-"My advice: bite your tongue ... it could be a
difficult period if you're not true to your Word."

Act One ends here.

Love is the law, love under will.
Yours fraternally,
MorningStar93

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#33265 - 12/26/09 12:30 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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wow, this is like a bad version of Harry Potter. Could you be any more over dramatic?

If you want facts about Satanism, go read a book! That's what they were written for. Especially when the Satanic Bible is on this website free to download. No one is going to waste their time "enlightening" you about a philosophy because your too lazy to go read. Simple as that.
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#33447 - 01/01/10 02:44 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

How ill omened. I wanted to awaken the Kundalini.
Instead everything became... RUN RUN RUN !!!
Watch out! Karma might come back and bite ya...

I know the members here can smell fear a mile away.
How do you disolve a universe if you fail?
(Al III:1): "Abrahadabra; the reward of Ra Hoor Khut."

It all comes down to learning how to adress problems
that show up and just keep your head from over heating.



Love is the law, love under will.
Yours fraternally,
MorningStar93

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#33448 - 01/01/10 03:34 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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 Quote:

The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

As has been pointed out, thelema is not Satanism, and vice versa. As such your repeated chanting of this thelemic mantra comes off as just so much preaching. Are you hoping to make converts?

Or are you so hopelessly misled as to believe your particular brand of spirituality is somehow brethren to our carnal religion?
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#33449 - 01/01/10 03:34 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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I find you tedious and annoying. Try being less presumptuous in your blanket statements, and perhaps take the condescension down a notch.
This is not a forum centered on Thelema, although we certainly do not discourage fans or adherents from participating. The endless stream of pseudo-researchings claiming to be writing books or articles, however, is nothing short of remarkable. Almost weekly it seems. Yet I have never seen anything published in more than a decade of 600 clubbing.

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#33652 - 01/07/10 05:11 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Bacchae]
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I hope the spell I cast here will turn out perfect \:\)
I believe beyond all doubt that it will.

I spent four years in a mental hospital, two in a closed concrete corridor with a TV room and two years in an open facility where I could take a walk whenever I wanted to. The time there wasn't wasted though since I read two books per month and spent my days summoning and taming demonic forces. Something that can be very useful.

As I said in my opening post I haven’t had the time yet to read the Satanic Bible \:\) Today I live a simple life in a suburb and go to work and do rather factory-like monotone tasks. I know things are gonna change rapidly though and that soon!

The book I’m working on will have the title "School of Life, an exploration and divination of the human psyche". So far I have written 72 shorter chapters of about 500-1000 words each. I started writing in August 2005 and the final product will be available for download free of charge as a pdf somewhere in 2012.

If it works on 10 people maybe it will work on 100 \:\)

What about converting people? Naa... It's much smarter to steal their babies. Only problem is that it's a method that takes generations. If only there was a faster way.

MorningStar93

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#33658 - 01/07/10 06:44 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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 Quote:
I spent four years in a mental hospital, two in a closed concrete corridor with a TV room and two years in an open facility where I could take a walk whenever I wanted to. The time there wasn't wasted though since I read two books per month and spent my days summoning and taming demonic forces.


Honestly, do we need any further elaboration?

Let me guess, your were diagnosed with schizophrenia.

If not, what were you diagnosed with. And, what did you do to find yourself as a ward of the State?
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#33659 - 01/07/10 06:49 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Fist]
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Soilitude is a beautiful thing, but what's important is the life you live outside of it.

You can read as many books as you like but if you have very little experience to apply your knowledge you're just quoting others. Anybody can do that.
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#33819 - 01/10/10 03:56 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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 Originally Posted By: MawhrinSkel
Who exactly are you trying to entice into reading this work?

Some days I doubt myself and think that I have taken on me to big a project but there are people around me who encourage me to go on.

What I want to accomplish with the book I'm writing is to build an Autobahn in human consciousness that will enhance abstract thinking and advance communication to a new height.

I still write some simple typos though...

MorningStar93

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#33821 - 01/10/10 04:18 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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 Quote:


What I want to accomplish with the book I'm writing is to build an Autobahn in human consciousness that will enhance abstract thinking and advance communication to a new

This about made me spit out my coffee. You do realize you are going to have to bring up your level to the power of about a million right? Talk about ignoring the balance factor :P

Thank you for a spirit lifting chuckle on a rainy sunday afternoon \:\)
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#33944 - 01/13/10 11:29 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Dan_Dread]
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It looks like the party is over for now.
I'll post a sample chapter for your joy \:\)

I wrote the book in chapters dated with month and year so that the reader can develop with him. I'll also recommend the reader to read one or two chapters per day to get the best effect.

Ok.

----------------------------------------------------
SOL chapter 021 -- Jack the fishing rod
December 2005

This book is based on an agreement. I supply the material and you build the houses. I construct the tools and parts and you assemble the cars. I mould the Lego pieces and you build the products.

Imagine the great unknown as a gigantic sea. Next, imagine all elements as fishes in that sea. They are of different colours, forms and sizes. Everything you can find in the sea can be explained and mapped as a fish. As you carry on you create a list of experience with the fishes in the sea. There are ugly fishes. There are common fishes. There are gold fishes. There are marvellous fishes.

Imagine the great sea as a home of shoals of shoals ad infinitum. There are places you visited before and there are places where you are all green. To navigate the great unknown you need preparation or you might get an escapade. I will provide the tools. Your temple is your micro cosmos. To recycle everything that passes by is a good idea. If you get hit you need knowledge of how to continue.

This is a good place to introduce Jack. Jack is cool, he is ok. At a first glance he radiates competence. He is a fishing rod you see, a good ol friend that is as useful as a Swiss army-knife and as likeable as your first car. His expertise is to swing its hook and find what you need. (J looks like a hook for catching fishes in the sea). After throwing it out time flies by while you keep listening to what it finds.

Jack the fishing rod can be called by dialling the short "J" or "j". J symbolizes the hook at the end of the line that is connected to the rod ("J" has also been reported to look like an upside-down cane). In the alphabet J is preceded by I and succeeded by K.

I take Jack and my baits and prepare for a fight against one of the ugly old fishes. Even though I'm blind I still know my Kung Fu!

Depending on what kind of fish you find you may take proper action. If you are sport fishing for fun you might take a picture and then throw it back into the water. If you need it as your daily bread then cook the fish and enjoy your meal. If you have a cat perhaps he or she likes it.

Back to Jack. In universe all matter affect all matter with gravity regardless of distance. Even though its close to absolute zero two bodies (containers) on each side of the earth causes gravity against each other. Two randomly chosen fishes affect each other.

When you activate Jack you throw the hook (with a yummy bait) out into the sea and haul in a fish. Jack! Lure it in!

For every time you encounter the same fish that wins "the strength test" you get better and better at the craft of fishing. Game over, try again. For every attempt at outsmarting the same monster you refine your skills.

When you find fishes in the great sea that you like you may want to transport it into your private pond. Watch the fishes multiply and live their lives under your loving care.

An exercise for tomorrow is to find a place to keep your new toy. Personally I have a place for it in my garage where I go and fetch it whenever I’m ready for some fishing!

----------------------------------------------------
posted by MorningStar93 to the600club.com in Jan-10


Edited by MorningStar93 (01/13/10 11:44 AM)

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#33946 - 01/13/10 11:49 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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Sweet baby Jesus! That was truly awful. That has got to be up there with 'Poetry Not Allowed.'

Again, care to elaborate on that vacation in the mental hospital?
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#33951 - 01/13/10 12:46 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Autobahn... Having driven the autobahn, all I could think of was the dreaded STAU sign flashing from the overpasses, after reading that mess. STAU meant there was a traffic jam ahead.

Writing is about clarity and communication. You definitely need a LOT of practice.
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#33952 - 01/13/10 12:46 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
care to elaborate on that vacation in the mental hospital?

Not sure... I could say that if everyone in the world was belted in an isolation cell for a week maybe there would be more humble people in this world.

 Originally Posted By: MawhrinSkel
Read up on scientific theory and didactics before your imagery leads you down a mental cul-de-sac

I admit I had to go to wikipedia and look up both "didactics" and "cul-de-sac".

In the science of Magick you must have absolute clarity and focus or you will be unstable and conjure up phantoms from your subconscious. One must obtain Magick Memory where you chose what and how you remember things. Also one must go through the tedious work of perfecting every building stone of your Pyramid.

MorningStar93

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#33954 - 01/13/10 01:33 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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Please refrain from taking Acid before posting...

If you have something to say, just say it. Don't try to wrap it up and disguise it as some convoluted allegory in an attempt to make yourself look more intelligent. If you have something to say that has actual substance it doesn't need any padding to make it stand out.
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#33970 - 01/13/10 08:28 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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You've spent time in a psych hospital? So have a lot of other people. It doesn't mean anything in and of itself.

No matter who you are and what you've done, good writing is hard.
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#33994 - 01/14/10 07:43 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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To Morning Star 93,

I do believe you are a very sincere sort of person, and that you are honestly trying to write a book, which you regard as meaningful, and which you wish to share with a reader, and which you hope the reader will find meaningful as well.

I am not a professional writer, but from my own experiences, I would like to offer you some advice, in point form, regarding the specific project, you appear to be pursuing:

• Do that research and do plenty of it. Become an expert in the area you wish to write about. This may take some time and it will require that you read and read and read before anything else.

• Confirm the conclusions you have drawn from your research against experience, bodies of knowledge, expertise and opinion. Try to develop your own position or thesis, with regard to the material, you have studied and try to make sure, your position or thesis, is supported in some way, by evidence and/or theory.

• Test your newly acquired position or thesis within a community of knowledgeable individuals or experts. Be prepared to have your position challenged and criticised, and certain aspects of it shown to be false, or immature in thought and articulation.

• Re - adjust and re - articulate your corrected and strengthened position or thesis if necessary. Go through the third step above again and again if you wish to, and if others are willing to work with you.

• Present your position or thesis in the form of a book. If you cannot establish your own position or thesis, than you may wish to present your work, as a straight history of something, or possibly some sort of straight reporting of something etc.

• Write, in order, to be very clearly understood by people, rather than trying to impress people, as some sort of world renowned expert or teacher. Write as if you were spelling things out for a five year old, but without any of the patronising airs.

• Write in a plain and simple language, which carefully explains the material you have studied; your position (if applicable) and how your position conforms or adds to the material you have studied.

• Keep the jargon out if you can. If not, try to simply and carefully define and explain the terms you use, and any philosophical and theoretical constructs, you happen to employ.

• Do not use metaphor or allegory. This is my opinion – if you must use metaphor and allegory, than establish your position, as clearly and as literally as possible beforehand.

I don’t know if any of this will help. It may not. Hopefully it will not add to any confusion you may be feeling.

I recommend also reading some good material on researching, and building and presenting, an idea in written form as well.

Good luck to you and keep trying to present your work in better and better ways.

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#34015 - 01/15/10 04:15 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: ]
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Also to Morning Star 93,

(I’ll just be blunt about this.)
You’re writing is terrible. In fact, it just sucks. I was unable to pay any real attention to its meaning due to the fact I kept wondering “why the fuck am I wasting my time with this?!” Practice and steal a few ideas from other writers.

Other than the fact that you need some serious time to observe good literature and writing period, best of luck!
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#34017 - 01/15/10 04:55 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Anthony West]
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 Originally Posted By: Anthony West
(I’ll just be blunt about this.)
You’re writing is terrible. In fact, it just sucks.


The kindest response to poor writing is to do what many of us, including yourself, are doing on this thread, so I hope the writer in question is grateful. To praise what is poor is an act of cruelty, here on this Earth where all of us are racing to the grave and will cross the finish line all too soon.
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#34033 - 01/15/10 08:18 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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Thank you MorningStar93...this is perfectly charming.

If I might make a friendly observation: your title seems a touch unweildy. Perhaps something brief. Quercus, for instance.

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#34044 - 01/15/10 03:24 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: ]
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MatthewJ1,

Your post is flawless and very well composed. I will learn from you how to present yourself as a respected cornerstone in a social community.

My roof where I can't progress at the moment is my instability. Also, I should learn that when you find a good vein don't pollute it.

 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
I do believe you are a very sincere sort of person, and that you are honestly trying to write a book, which you regard as meaningful, and which you wish to share with a reader, and which you hope the reader will find meaningful as well.

Sometimes I find impurities in myself but I try to burn them away. Every drop of blood must be properly routed.

 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Good luck to you and keep trying to present your work in better and better ways.

I will.

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#34116 - 01/17/10 01:49 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Simon Jester]
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 Originally Posted By: Simon Jester
If I might make a friendly observation: your title seems a touch unweildy. Perhaps something brief. Quercus, for instance.

If you think "Quercus" is such a good name then why don't you write your own book.

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#34117 - 01/17/10 01:53 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: ]
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The illuminated adepts only give of their light unto the world.

 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Good luck to you and keep trying to present your work in better and better ways.

After some thought I must add that I have lived a life in the ice-cold for so long now. I wanted to acknowledge the warmth your effort brought.


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#34142 - 01/17/10 08:32 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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To Morning Star, I just wanted to add some further things here.

If you enjoy movies than you may be able to learn a great deal about the Satanic philosophy from just watching.

The reading is certainly important, but watching and studying the right films is important as well.

Here are some good ones:

Nightmare Alley with Tyrone Power. This is essential viewing. Book is critical as well in my opinion. "Mister I was made for it!"

The Original Scarface - Fantastic movie.

All the Kings Men - Brilliant stuff. One of the best movies I have seen.

Scarlett Street - I love noir.

The Sea Wolf - Rough and hard.

Key Largo - Mean ole Rocco (From memory I believe it is Edward G Robinson, in this. Robinson is a master.)

"M" - frightening thing, great.

Citizen Kane - Nothing needs to be said here, watch it.

The first two Godfather Movies - more great stuff.

Metropolis, and The Cabinet of Dr Caligari - How important were these movies for what was to come later.

The two Dr. Phibes movies - brilliant and mad.

If you watch and study these movies and identify yourself with the main characters, or wish to study and emulate them than "Mister you were made for it!"

P.S. There are many more. Jake and Dr.Aquino, if you are out there maybe you can suggest some others?

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#34143 - 01/17/10 10:16 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: ]
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Wise Blood
The Ruling Class
The Gangster
The Bitter Tea of General Yen
10 Rillington Place
Lifeboat
The 7 Faces of Dr. Lao
Freaks
The Gods Must Be Crazy
Koyanisquaatsi
Blade Runner
Dr. Zhivago
Rosemary's Baby
The Devil's Rain
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#34144 - 01/17/10 10:39 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Jake999]
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A couple of good movies with Christopher Lee in them-

Star Wars Episode 3: Revenge Of the Sith
City Of The Dead (This has Satanic themes in it but I placed it here for entertainment purposes. The performances are much better than the performances in the clips of The Devil's Rain I've seen.)

The original Scarface has been mentioned. Try the 80s remake with Al Pacino. I'm not big on crime movies but I love that.

If we're talking Blade Runner we should also include:

Alien and Aliens
Ghost In The Shell
Neon Genesis Evangelion: End Of Evangelion (All of the major religions and some of the minor ones are looked at in this film)
The Matrix
1984

Watch Akira if you really have to. It's SO over-rated.
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#34147 - 01/17/10 11:08 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Jake999]
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Some good ones there Jake and Pete and certainly a few I haven't had a chance to see yet.

The one which really strikes me is The Gangster. Will have to search that one out as I haven't seen it yet and am keen.

Really want to see The Ruling Class and Wise Blood as well.

This thread is starting to get off track a touch and is moving into the Film section, so I will make this my final post.

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#34780 - 01/29/10 02:09 PM More on "Visions for the future" [Re: MorningStar93]
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Back on topic to "Visions for the future".


A statement: The era of necessities of secrets is coming to its end.

If aliens landed on our planet and I was selected to represent mankind and greet them I would offer them a cup of coffee and show them the good things in our world. The Niagara Falls, the rainforests of Madagascar and walk on the Great Wall of China.

Then I would excuse us and say that even though we have been doing this for hundreds of years we haven't gotten further then this (Who do you think was behind the French, American and Russian revolutions?).


Something that should exist in the "world soul" that I will tell you about here is the knowledge about the IX°. The IX° is an incredible revelation that is incomprehendable to the lower degrees and the people who attained it can be considered to have reached "supreme enlightment".

Before Aleister Crowley jumped in the beginning of 20'tied century it is believed that very few individuals in the history of mankind ever made that leap and attained the IX°. He showed the way for others to follow. Today maybe 1 in 10-million reach that degree and maybe 1 in a 100-thousand is of the right material. With the teachings I have developed people on all degrees can reach higher.

Supreme Enlightment exists and makes a lot of the books out there obsolete. Teaching the IX° to the public is forbidden and punishable by death but that has never happened. Every now and then someone invents the wheel and those will either join us or die. Through secret handshakes I know that there is one other at this forum, Dr.Aquino who attained IX°.

My problem is that I jumped without laying a good foundation which takes years so I am uncontrolled. I have done hundreds of hours of mediation but need more time for doing the necessary alchemical work.

In the old Aeon the Hermits shunned away from the world and sought refugee in the mountains. In the new Aeon the Hermits will take control and rule the world thus changing the meaning of the word "Hermit" a bit.

--------------------------------

Last weekend I had my brother over as my guest and we played "Wii Sports Resort" for a couple of hours and then went to the movies and watched the new George Clooney movie "Up in the air". Very entertaining.


MorningStar93



Edited by MorningStar93 (01/29/10 02:10 PM)

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#34797 - 01/29/10 06:39 PM Re: More on "Visions for the future" [Re: MorningStar93]
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What in fuck are you rambling on about?

Honestly, this nonsense real close to breaking the 'poetry not allowed' rule.

You are not a writer, and you have no future in writing. Give it up. This sort of stream of consciousness drivel went out with Jack Kerouac.
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#34812 - 01/30/10 02:14 AM Re: More on "Visions for the future" [Re: Fist]
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Fist, you're killing me!

Keep it up, MorningStar93 - this sort of "writing" provides me with a pertinent reminder of why I'm not a member of any New Age/Magick/Occult groups and a bloody good laugh.
Seriously, what drugs are you on?
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#34854 - 01/31/10 02:27 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: MorningStar93]
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 Quote:
If you think "Quercus" is such a good name then why don't you write your own book.


Perhaps I was not sufficiently blunt.

Writing is an art for which you have no talent. Please desist.

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#34913 - 02/01/10 07:21 AM Re: More on "Visions for the future" [Re: MorningStar93]
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(AL II, 55) "Thou shalt obtain the order & value of the English Alphabet; thou shalt find new symbols to attribute them unto."

 Originally Posted By: MorningStar93
... the new George Clooney movie "Up in the air"

Uuhhh... this made me feel like shit...

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#34936 - 02/01/10 02:16 PM My IX° is bigger than your IX°. [Re: MorningStar93]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: MorningStar93
Before Aleister Crowley jumped in the beginning of 20'tied century it is believed that very few individuals in the history of mankind ever made that leap and attained the IX°. He showed the way for others to follow. Today maybe 1 in 10-million reach that degree and maybe 1 in a 100-thousand is of the right material. With the teachings I have developed people on all degrees can reach higher.

Supreme Enlightment exists and makes a lot of the books out there obsolete. Teaching the IX° to the public is forbidden and punishable by death but that has never happened. Every now and then someone invents the wheel and those will either join us or die. Through secret handshakes I know that there is one other at this forum, Dr.Aquino who attained IX°.

I assume that MorningStar93 is talking about the IX° O.T.O., which is just the heterosexual sex-magick degree, e.g. make a wish while porking someone of the opposite sex and you get it. Not a bad line for getting laid, I suppose.

The VIII° is the same thing via masturbation, and Crowley added the XI° as a homosexual complement to the IX°, get it? [The X° is a purely administrative degree, being the national head of a particular O.T.O. group.]

The O.T.O. is basically a sex-magick spin on Freemasonry, which is certainly more fun than just standing around wearing aprons; but up to the VII° the degrees are all pretty occultsy-traditional. Even the O.T.O.'s name/initials has a not-so-hidden meaning: a phallus between two testicles.
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#35021 - 02/02/10 02:37 PM Power of images [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
I assume that MorningStar93 is talking about the IX° O.T.O., which is just the heterosexual sex-magick degree, e.g. make a wish while porking someone of the opposite sex and you get it. Not a bad line for getting laid, I suppose.

Yeah... I know... I must conquer the word pussy...

 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
Even the O.T.O.'s name/initials has a not-so-hidden meaning: a phallus between two testicles.

It's fun to explore images. Have you noticed how f and t relate? They both look like pistols.

Then you can examine b and d, they both look like Al Capone-style machine guns.

Next you have n, u and c and they all look like Magnets \:\)

MorningStar93

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#35630 - 02/14/10 10:48 AM Re: Power of images [Re: MorningStar93]
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Hi guys and sorry if I turned dead but I have had a laptop crash and don't have a computer anymore. Luckily there seem to be a copy of all my work.

Can't say when I can get back to writing again... \:\(

MorningStar93



Edited by MorningStar93 (02/14/10 10:49 AM)

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#35658 - 02/14/10 06:54 PM Re: Power of images [Re: MorningStar93]
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It does sound like a good way to bed simpletons, “suck on this and I’ll give you a treat”....not that far removed from Sunday school as I recall lol.
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#36154 - 03/08/10 07:09 AM Magickal techniques [Re: MorningStar93]
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Uhhh... ook I have had enough now...

The thing is that I'm afraid all the time to make new misstakes and spawn new deamons. There must be something wrong with my radar. Can he get past it?

Some crap have to be cut out for this to work on a larger scale. There have been some new discoveries here at this website and I have learned my lessons. There is nothing more to be gained from this and I no longer wish to be associated with someone who fucking can't get it right. There is a time for creative chaos and there is a time for conservative codes of conduct.

A technique the advanced student should master is how to conjure demons and thought forms to visible appearance and then project a new reality unto them. A demonstration could be this text that have been here in the background that I have meditated a lot on: -"for a couple of years as it drained my fears". I must find something better to "drain my fears".

Among the most important tools in a magicians arsenal is the use of offices to map new people one meets. One should obtain a plentiful character gallery. This can be achieved by watching movies, reading books or interacting with other humans on a web forum. The most useful offices in the daily life is the use of who is King and/or Queen (to make it "good Magick" one should add that a standard deck have four Kings and four Queens).

Two other strong offices are "the guilty one" and being "the one who gives good Karma to others in need".


One of the few memories I have from junior-high (age 13 to 16) is when my religion teacher asked the classroom what they would do if god appeared on earth, said follow me and turned the Eiffel Tower upside down to prove it. We must give the children of the world these kinds of memories.

There is no law beyond do what thou wilt.

MorningStar93



(Some hbt-people might get disappointed but in this life im hetero \:\) )


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#36863 - 03/21/10 04:52 PM "Vision for the future" [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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 Originally Posted By: MawhrinSkel
I wish you a speedy recovery.

Thanks \:\)


A reflection I made:

Some days I hate the "pressure to deliver" and shun away from flirting when walking on the street. Other days I feel that there is nothing better then standing in the spot light. Sometimes a little buzzing can make you feel good and improve your health.


Anyway... back to Visions for the future...

To defeat our enemies we must use all means possible. The following is a story about Crowley and one of his spells. I don't know if it's real or just a tall tale.

Crowley searched for some time for the ugliest human he could find and when he found one that was to his liking, a really ugly specimen, he abducted this person.

At a secret location he had prepared a chamber underground and trained the staff working there for their task. In the middle of this magickal chamber stood a chair. The guy who just happened to be unlucky was strapped to the chair for 30 years in unbelievable agony.

I wonder what happened to him?

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#36866 - 03/21/10 06:26 PM Re: "Vision for the future" [Re: MorningStar93]
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Yes, this will be a tall tale, MorningStar93. I've read practically everything there is to read by and about Crowley and while he certainly made a point of having sex with women he found unattractive as a Tantric practice, the ugly-man-in-a-cellar-for-30-years is not one I have previously encountered.
I suspect this story erupted from your fertile imagination.
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#36870 - 03/21/10 08:18 PM Re: "Vision for the future" [Re: MorningStar93]
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 Originally Posted By: MorningStar93

Crowley searched for some time for the ugliest human he could find and when he found one that was to his liking, a really ugly specimen, he abducted this person.

At a secret location he had prepared a chamber underground and trained the staff working there for their task. In the middle of this magickal chamber stood a chair. The guy who just happened to be unlucky was strapped to the chair for 30 years in unbelievable agony.

I wonder what happened to him?



I'd like to see some documentation on this. Like Felix, I've been reading on Crowley and "the occult" for a hell of a long time and this is the kind of thing that would not have gone unreported, save in the mind of someone who wanted to make up a good story and attribute it to Aleister Crowley. Always easiest to libel a dead man.
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#39764 - 07/01/10 11:05 PM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: Bacchae]
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The way I work is not really open to discussion. Unless there is a mutual benefit or working. Try asking your soul how it would like to worship "it"SELF for achieving awareness, thought and JOY. Do as you please. Every living thing knows what is right and what is wrong.
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#39774 - 07/02/10 01:27 AM Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy [Re: NeoZombie]
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I don't mean to be rude here, but I don't think MorningStar93 is worth the time people are taking to discuss his matters with. he already mentioned that he has been housed in a mental facility, and has done very slight reading in the areas he's trying to discuss. It seems to me that his mind has made what it has out of the small amounts of information is has received and now MorningStar93 regards himself as an expert of sorts on those matters, at least until his views are challenged, at which point he renounces his views and agrees to the terms which the other party set. He seems very maliable, as his mind is able to jump from one 'absolute' to the other, unable to differentiate between what is real and his imaginings. I do think his book, should he ever finish it, would be an interesting read, if not more than for entertainment, but fear other such people, vulnerable to the same mental fluxuations, should get their hands on it and start a cult following of their own. I also don't think that MorningStar93 has the ability to fully grasp the concepts here on this forum, and even less, the ability to soundly debate them. I believe that even though he has not been active is some months on the forum, he could be little more than a soure of irritation for the members he comes into contact with in the future. I'm not saying ban him, but...
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#43412 - 10/03/10 06:53 AM Hell will be unleashed [Re: MorningStar93]
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"Magick is the most practical of the Arts of life."
"To become fit should be the sole effort of him who seeks wisdom."
-Aleister Crowley


Hi there... I used to post here a few months ago... I came here as a young insecure boy and left with much new experience. I Will make one more post though.


I'm just a spook patient who just got out of a mental institution so I don't expect anyone to listen to me but I'm telling you this.. There will be a new world war and everything will come to an end...

Forget the muslim crap... They'll get their asses whacked too. The entire Middle East will be obliterated back to the stone age... the new regime will strike down their enemies before they know what happened... you will be betrayed and be showed no mercy... you will be terminated...

After a hundred years of preparation Satan will incarnate into a human body and walk the earth. Satan will reign in violence and the world will go through a steel bath and that in a very near future...

Someone must organize a resistance.

You are going to have to make a choice

Wake up and act now or it will be too late!

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#43413 - 10/03/10 08:35 AM Re: Hell will be unleashed [Re: MorningStar93]
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Oh noes!
Another mental patient has predicted the end of times!

Oh please please PLEASE tell us how we are to repent! So the Dark-lord Satan will spare our tortured souls from certain obliteration!
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#43419 - 10/03/10 06:58 PM Re: Hell will be unleashed [Re: Wake]
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Are you fucking kidding me? As said in another thread, "Why do we get all the retards?"
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#43420 - 10/03/10 09:00 PM Re: Hell will be unleashed [Re: Lamar]
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How did I miss this thread?

Locked.
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