#33161 - 12/23/09 11:19 AM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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MorningStar93
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Agreed. I don't want to come across as a party breaker.
I wanted to cut it out but a bit slipped through.
Hermetic science teaches that there are three schools
of magick. White, Black and Yellow. I belong to the
Yellow. (no connection to skin color)
In most magickal secret societies initiation is conducted
vertically from teacher to student to continue the "line"
(as compared to doing the serious work in a web forum).
Another attitude I came across was a carribian voodoo priest
that I had a Mage-War with. As he sunk to the bottom of the
pit he vomited things like:
- "Shared power is lost power" 
ta2zz:
As a Satanist I believe that:
“You not of my pack are worth little effort.”
My reply:
Agreed. But isn't a vision for the future a good idea?
"The Great Work"- something...
Morgan:
Plus read the forums, and you just might learn something
My reply:
I looked around a bit. 
Morgan:
In addition to what Ta2zz has written, is it not a little
presumptuous to call all of us members of the black brotherhood?
Do you even understand what that term means?
My reply:
I Do. The black brotherhood opposes the elevation of mankind.
They promote cheap labour and seeks to block spiritual education.
Many of them do no harm but the BB's in the very top do. As a
thelemite I believe that the slaves shall serve the masters but
that also means, cooperation, and a genuine concern for people.
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#33162 - 12/23/09 11:36 AM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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Dimitri
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Morningstar..
It is wise to take the words of Morgan and Ta2zz for granted.
There are some here with more knowledge about hermetic science/Thelema then you probably will ever know.
I suggest you better look around, act less stupid and be a little more carefull with your words.
Agreed. But isn't a vision for the future a good idea?
"The Great Work"- something...
There are many visions for the future. Only problem that there is no universal agreed one, nor will their ever be due to the fact that people just have different views and opinions.
In most magickal secret societies initiation is conducted
vertically from teacher to student to continue the "line"
(as compared to doing the serious work in a web forum).
How nice is it to refer to "secret societies". Really adds up to the credibility factor...
Another attitude I came across was a carribian voodoo priest
that I had a Mage-War with. As he sunk to the bottom of the
pit he vomited things like:
- "Shared power is lost power"
Play less fantasy games..
And mage-war? What did you do? Slap dicks together or throw the highest roll with a dice?
Perhaps this isn't the right place for you..
Edited by Dimitri (12/23/09 11:42 AM)
Edit Reason: Grammar/spell check
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#33197 - 12/24/09 08:04 AM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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MorningStar93
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There are many visions for the future. Only problem that there is no universal agreed one, nor will their ever be due to the fact that people just have different views and opinions.
Ahh.. and many talk about Democracy like it's a good thing.
How nice is it to refer to "secret societies". Really adds up to the credibility factor...
Illusion can be very real.
Is'nt you calling yourself a satanist the same thing?
Play less fantasy games..
I disagree. My early schooling in Magick came from fantasy
books like Katherine Kerr and her book Dagger Spell.
I got a moment of wow when the Master Wizard in the book
utters "In the name of the Kings I lift this sigill" when
he penetrates through an astral defense mechanics.
Perhaps this isn't the right place for you..
I was looking for high society and good debate.
Unless it runs dry there might come out some real progress
from this thread. Sorry if I'm a bit pushy but I'm in war
mode.
Ohh.. and the "every man and every woman is a star" was
coined by Platon.
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#33198 - 12/24/09 08:27 AM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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Dimitri
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Is'nt you calling yourself a satanist the same thing?
I actually prefer the label "intelligent individual", it's others who like to shorten it to Satanist. Something beyond my control..
Satanist is with a capital 'S' by the way.
Illusion can be very real.
What a strange logic..
If I claim such a thing in front of collagues and/or professors I'm being lynched.
I disagree. My early schooling in Magick came from fantasy
books like Katherine Kerr and her book Dagger Spell.
I got a moment of wow when the Master Wizard in the book
utters "In the name of the Kings I lift this sigill" when
he penetrates through an astral defense mechanics.
There is this fundamental difference in definition between the words "reality" and "fantasy".
The things you dream about aren't real, neither are the stories where flying dragons rescue princesses and slay princes.
Unless ofcourse you can magically give me some kind of choclate cookie floating in front of my face asking me to eat it..
I was looking for high society and good debate.
Perhaps the kind of 'high society' you are looking for is more or less situated here.. --> http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/viewcategory/75882
Ohh.. and the "every man and every woman is a star" was
coined by Platon.
I disagree with that statement.. some look like some kind of messed up piece of meteorite after slamming on a few planets of garbage.
Edited by Dimitri (12/24/09 08:30 AM)
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#33204 - 12/24/09 03:57 PM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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Dimitri
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My lack of education on modern Satanism is a bit embarrassing and I should have aligned myself to "US" from the begining.
Therefor a certain advice has been repeated 3 times already:
What do you think about that? You should start
by reading the SB.
Before you write a book on a topic, you should have the brains to at least read something about it, instead of asking us to do your homework for you.
Read the book first, then ask your questions
Plus read the forums, and you just might learn something.
And I also mentioned it.
There is no law beyond do what thou wilt
Could you for once think a bit first before quoting pieces of text you probably have no background information about..
On a second thought, you aren't worth my time.
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#33447 - 01/01/10 02:44 PM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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MorningStar93
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The 600 Club,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
How ill omened. I wanted to awaken the Kundalini.
Instead everything became... RUN RUN RUN !!!
Watch out! Karma might come back and bite ya...
I know the members here can smell fear a mile away.
How do you disolve a universe if you fail?
(Al III:1): "Abrahadabra; the reward of Ra Hoor Khut."
It all comes down to learning how to adress problems
that show up and just keep your head from over heating.
 
Love is the law, love under will.
Yours fraternally,
MorningStar93
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#33652 - 01/07/10 05:11 PM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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MorningStar93
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Registered: 10/20/09
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I hope the spell I cast here will turn out perfect
I believe beyond all doubt that it will.
I spent four years in a mental hospital, two in a closed concrete corridor with a TV room and two years in an open facility where I could take a walk whenever I wanted to. The time there wasn't wasted though since I read two books per month and spent my days summoning and taming demonic forces. Something that can be very useful.
As I said in my opening post I haven’t had the time yet to read the Satanic Bible Today I live a simple life in a suburb and go to work and do rather factory-like monotone tasks. I know things are gonna change rapidly though and that soon!
The book I’m working on will have the title "School of Life, an exploration and divination of the human psyche". So far I have written 72 shorter chapters of about 500-1000 words each. I started writing in August 2005 and the final product will be available for download free of charge as a pdf somewhere in 2012.
If it works on 10 people maybe it will work on 100
What about converting people? Naa... It's much smarter to steal their babies. Only problem is that it's a method that takes generations. If only there was a faster way.
MorningStar93
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#33944 - 01/13/10 11:29 AM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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MorningStar93
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It looks like the party is over for now.
I'll post a sample chapter for your joy
I wrote the book in chapters dated with month and year so that the reader can develop with him. I'll also recommend the reader to read one or two chapters per day to get the best effect.
Ok.
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SOL chapter 021 -- Jack the fishing rod
December 2005
This book is based on an agreement. I supply the material and you build the houses. I construct the tools and parts and you assemble the cars. I mould the Lego pieces and you build the products.
Imagine the great unknown as a gigantic sea. Next, imagine all elements as fishes in that sea. They are of different colours, forms and sizes. Everything you can find in the sea can be explained and mapped as a fish. As you carry on you create a list of experience with the fishes in the sea. There are ugly fishes. There are common fishes. There are gold fishes. There are marvellous fishes.
Imagine the great sea as a home of shoals of shoals ad infinitum. There are places you visited before and there are places where you are all green. To navigate the great unknown you need preparation or you might get an escapade. I will provide the tools. Your temple is your micro cosmos. To recycle everything that passes by is a good idea. If you get hit you need knowledge of how to continue.
This is a good place to introduce Jack. Jack is cool, he is ok. At a first glance he radiates competence. He is a fishing rod you see, a good ol friend that is as useful as a Swiss army-knife and as likeable as your first car. His expertise is to swing its hook and find what you need. (J looks like a hook for catching fishes in the sea). After throwing it out time flies by while you keep listening to what it finds.
Jack the fishing rod can be called by dialling the short "J" or "j". J symbolizes the hook at the end of the line that is connected to the rod ("J" has also been reported to look like an upside-down cane). In the alphabet J is preceded by I and succeeded by K.
I take Jack and my baits and prepare for a fight against one of the ugly old fishes. Even though I'm blind I still know my Kung Fu!
Depending on what kind of fish you find you may take proper action. If you are sport fishing for fun you might take a picture and then throw it back into the water. If you need it as your daily bread then cook the fish and enjoy your meal. If you have a cat perhaps he or she likes it.
Back to Jack. In universe all matter affect all matter with gravity regardless of distance. Even though its close to absolute zero two bodies (containers) on each side of the earth causes gravity against each other. Two randomly chosen fishes affect each other.
When you activate Jack you throw the hook (with a yummy bait) out into the sea and haul in a fish. Jack! Lure it in!
For every time you encounter the same fish that wins "the strength test" you get better and better at the craft of fishing. Game over, try again. For every attempt at outsmarting the same monster you refine your skills.
When you find fishes in the great sea that you like you may want to transport it into your private pond. Watch the fishes multiply and live their lives under your loving care.
An exercise for tomorrow is to find a place to keep your new toy. Personally I have a place for it in my garage where I go and fetch it whenever I’m ready for some fishing!
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posted by MorningStar93 to the600club.com in Jan-10
Edited by MorningStar93 (01/13/10 11:44 AM)
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#33994 - 01/14/10 07:43 PM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
[Re: MorningStar93]
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MatthewJ1
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To Morning Star 93,
I do believe you are a very sincere sort of person, and that you are honestly trying to write a book, which you regard as meaningful, and which you wish to share with a reader, and which you hope the reader will find meaningful as well.
I am not a professional writer, but from my own experiences, I would like to offer you some advice, in point form, regarding the specific project, you appear to be pursuing:
• Do that research and do plenty of it. Become an expert in the area you wish to write about. This may take some time and it will require that you read and read and read before anything else.
• Confirm the conclusions you have drawn from your research against experience, bodies of knowledge, expertise and opinion. Try to develop your own position or thesis, with regard to the material, you have studied and try to make sure, your position or thesis, is supported in some way, by evidence and/or theory.
• Test your newly acquired position or thesis within a community of knowledgeable individuals or experts. Be prepared to have your position challenged and criticised, and certain aspects of it shown to be false, or immature in thought and articulation.
• Re - adjust and re - articulate your corrected and strengthened position or thesis if necessary. Go through the third step above again and again if you wish to, and if others are willing to work with you.
• Present your position or thesis in the form of a book. If you cannot establish your own position or thesis, than you may wish to present your work, as a straight history of something, or possibly some sort of straight reporting of something etc.
• Write, in order, to be very clearly understood by people, rather than trying to impress people, as some sort of world renowned expert or teacher. Write as if you were spelling things out for a five year old, but without any of the patronising airs.
• Write in a plain and simple language, which carefully explains the material you have studied; your position (if applicable) and how your position conforms or adds to the material you have studied.
• Keep the jargon out if you can. If not, try to simply and carefully define and explain the terms you use, and any philosophical and theoretical constructs, you happen to employ.
• Do not use metaphor or allegory. This is my opinion – if you must use metaphor and allegory, than establish your position, as clearly and as literally as possible beforehand.
I don’t know if any of this will help. It may not. Hopefully it will not add to any confusion you may be feeling.
I recommend also reading some good material on researching, and building and presenting, an idea in written form as well.
Good luck to you and keep trying to present your work in better and better ways.
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#34936 - 02/01/10 02:16 PM
My IX° is bigger than your IX°.
[Re: MorningStar93]
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Michael A.Aquino
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Before Aleister Crowley jumped in the beginning of 20'tied century it is believed that very few individuals in the history of mankind ever made that leap and attained the IX°. He showed the way for others to follow. Today maybe 1 in 10-million reach that degree and maybe 1 in a 100-thousand is of the right material. With the teachings I have developed people on all degrees can reach higher.
Supreme Enlightment exists and makes a lot of the books out there obsolete. Teaching the IX° to the public is forbidden and punishable by death but that has never happened. Every now and then someone invents the wheel and those will either join us or die. Through secret handshakes I know that there is one other at this forum, Dr.Aquino who attained IX°.
I assume that MorningStar93 is talking about the IX° O.T.O., which is just the heterosexual sex-magick degree, e.g. make a wish while porking someone of the opposite sex and you get it. Not a bad line for getting laid, I suppose. 
The VIII° is the same thing via masturbation, and Crowley added the XI° as a homosexual complement to the IX°, get it? [The X° is a purely administrative degree, being the national head of a particular O.T.O. group.]
The O.T.O. is basically a sex-magick spin on Freemasonry, which is certainly more fun than just standing around wearing aprons; but up to the VII° the degrees are all pretty occultsy-traditional. Even the O.T.O.'s name/initials has a not-so-hidden meaning: a phallus between two testicles.
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#35630 - 02/14/10 10:48 AM
Re: Power of images
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MorningStar93
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Hi guys and sorry if I turned dead but I have had a laptop crash and don't have a computer anymore. Luckily there seem to be a copy of all my work.
Can't say when I can get back to writing again... 
MorningStar93
Edited by MorningStar93 (02/14/10 10:49 AM)
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#36154 - 03/08/10 07:09 AM
Magickal techniques
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MorningStar93
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Uhhh... ook I have had enough now...
The thing is that I'm afraid all the time to make new misstakes and spawn new deamons. There must be something wrong with my radar. Can he get past it?
Some crap have to be cut out for this to work on a larger scale. There have been some new discoveries here at this website and I have learned my lessons. There is nothing more to be gained from this and I no longer wish to be associated with someone who fucking can't get it right. There is a time for creative chaos and there is a time for conservative codes of conduct.
A technique the advanced student should master is how to conjure demons and thought forms to visible appearance and then project a new reality unto them. A demonstration could be this text that have been here in the background that I have meditated a lot on: -"for a couple of years as it drained my fears". I must find something better to "drain my fears".
Among the most important tools in a magicians arsenal is the use of offices to map new people one meets. One should obtain a plentiful character gallery. This can be achieved by watching movies, reading books or interacting with other humans on a web forum. The most useful offices in the daily life is the use of who is King and/or Queen (to make it "good Magick" one should add that a standard deck have four Kings and four Queens).
Two other strong offices are "the guilty one" and being "the one who gives good Karma to others in need".
One of the few memories I have from junior-high (age 13 to 16) is when my religion teacher asked the classroom what they would do if god appeared on earth, said follow me and turned the Eiffel Tower upside down to prove it. We must give the children of the world these kinds of memories.
There is no law beyond do what thou wilt.
MorningStar93
(Some hbt-people might get disappointed but in this life im hetero )
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#39764 - 07/01/10 11:05 PM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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NeoZombie
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The way I work is not really open to discussion. Unless there is a mutual benefit or working. Try asking your soul how it would like to worship "it"SELF for achieving awareness, thought and JOY. Do as you please. Every living thing knows what is right and what is wrong.
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#39774 - 07/02/10 01:27 AM
Re: "Vision for the future" in Satanic Philosophy
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Clicks
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I don't mean to be rude here, but I don't think MorningStar93 is worth the time people are taking to discuss his matters with. he already mentioned that he has been housed in a mental facility, and has done very slight reading in the areas he's trying to discuss. It seems to me that his mind has made what it has out of the small amounts of information is has received and now MorningStar93 regards himself as an expert of sorts on those matters, at least until his views are challenged, at which point he renounces his views and agrees to the terms which the other party set. He seems very maliable, as his mind is able to jump from one 'absolute' to the other, unable to differentiate between what is real and his imaginings. I do think his book, should he ever finish it, would be an interesting read, if not more than for entertainment, but fear other such people, vulnerable to the same mental fluxuations, should get their hands on it and start a cult following of their own. I also don't think that MorningStar93 has the ability to fully grasp the concepts here on this forum, and even less, the ability to soundly debate them. I believe that even though he has not been active is some months on the forum, he could be little more than a soure of irritation for the members he comes into contact with in the future. I'm not saying ban him, but...
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#43412 - 10/03/10 06:53 AM
Hell will be unleashed
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MorningStar93
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"Magick is the most practical of the Arts of life."
"To become fit should be the sole effort of him who seeks wisdom."
-Aleister Crowley
Hi there... I used to post here a few months ago... I came here as a young insecure boy and left with much new experience. I Will make one more post though.
I'm just a spook patient who just got out of a mental institution so I don't expect anyone to listen to me but I'm telling you this.. There will be a new world war and everything will come to an end...
Forget the muslim crap... They'll get their asses whacked too. The entire Middle East will be obliterated back to the stone age... the new regime will strike down their enemies before they know what happened... you will be betrayed and be showed no mercy... you will be terminated...
After a hundred years of preparation Satan will incarnate into a human body and walk the earth. Satan will reign in violence and the world will go through a steel bath and that in a very near future...
Someone must organize a resistance.
You are going to have to make a choice  
Wake up and act now or it will be too late!
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