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#33614 - 01/06/10 11:43 PM The Karla and Zeena Party!
MatthewJ1
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I think it may be high time for serious action!

I believe we may need to get together on this thing and begin building the sort of grass roots restorationist organisation needed to get the job done!

We need a genuine platform with serious planks! We want justice!

We need to build the Karla and Zeena Party!

The time will surely come when Karla and Zeena will ride back into town and will kick ass and boot out the usurpers and reclaim their birth right! It is destiny!

The legends will come screeching into town on huge hogs and will chase Magistra Barton, Magus Gilmore and Magistra Nadramia out!

Karla and Zeena will brandish big sticks and will deliver many well deserved welts and lumps upon the current hierarchy!

Never mind the child Xerxes, we want Karla and Zeena!

Bring back the proven quality and get rid of the mouthpieces, robots and caretakers!

Unite the First Satanic Church and The Church of Satan – solidarity now!

Reinstate the monarchy!

Bring back the real High Priestesses of The Church!

Bring back the greatness! Bring back Karla and Zeena!

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#33616 - 01/07/10 12:27 AM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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Maybe a lock-in at the Y is in order...

I'm a little weary of all this "we need" talk. I don't see why I need to do any of those things. Time for serious action? Okay then, lead by example. Take the first step and maybe others will follow suit.

Your entire "call to action" - if it can be labeled as such - is based on the assumption that Karla and Zeena actually care to wrestle control away from Gilmore & Co. AND are willing to work together. It seems to me they have both distanced themselves from each other and CoS. I could be wrong though.
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#33620 - 01/07/10 02:57 AM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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As 6 already mentioned: why the fuck should I take action?
If I'm not mistaking I have a personal agenda, Zeena and Karla have a personal agenda and many others do so either. And as far as I can see: I have no personal gain in the whole thing, I doubt it would better my ( and others) life.

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The legends will come screeching into town on huge hogs and will chase Magistra Barton, Magus Gilmore and Magistra Nadramia out!
Legend? What legend? You mean wishfull thinking...

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Bring back the proven quality and get rid of the mouthpieces, robots and caretakers!

The "proven quality" is still around. It should be found on personal level and not in group. Elitism starts with individuality and not by a group.

Should I also mention that monarchy involves 1 leader and not 2.

Idiocy should be painfull..


Edited by Dimitri (01/07/10 02:58 AM)
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#33644 - 01/07/10 01:39 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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This would never happen.

Zeena Schreck has had no contact with her family since she and her leech of a husband, Nikolas crawled out of the woodwork to fight over the estate of Anton LaVey. After wanting no part of him for years, she suddenly wanted part of his estate. (And if u check ebay, you will see that some items she got are often for sale on ebay by companies that deal with collectibles. You can tell these items came from Zeena because the dealer writes that he got them from LaVeys Daughter and Son-in-Law!)

Zeena has not spoken to her son Stanton since he fled Germany and moved in with his grandmother.. and she has not spoken to her mother since she took in Stanton. Zeena and Karla have not been on good terms in years and I doubt that the fighting over the estate helped matters.

I do not believe Zeena has EVER seen her half brother Xerxes and I doubt if Karla or Stanton have seen him since Blanche Barton moved to NY.

Additionally in interviews, Stanton has stated that he doesnt really keep in touch with his Aunt Karla.... The whole LaVey family is dysfunctional as hell when it comes to interacting with one another and I really think Anton would be really upset if he saw the state of things today!

Zeena has made it clear she despised her father (more out of petty jealousy and the influence of her husband I believe) and wants nothing to do with the CoS. She has not even been publicly active at all, since leaving the Temple of Set.

Karla gave up all rights to the CoS and really doesnt seem to be too concerned about it at all either. She keeps busy with her events and concerts and radio show and such.

Stanton LaVey has matured into an intelligent young man, and I had hoped that somehow when Xerxes is of age (which is not too far away) that maybe the 2 of them would become a power in the CoS.

But to be honest, Peter Gilmore owns it.... Lock, Stock and Barrel. He bought the rights from Blanche Barton and he owns the whole she-bang! I do not see him giving up the power (or at least his belief that he has power) anytime soon. Even if Xerxes comes of age, the question remains.... would he even WANT to lead the CoS???? He has grown up without Anton LaVey or any of the LaVey family in his life. The other LaVey children grew up with the publc eye on them and were groomed for the role. Xerxes has had a private life and we have not even seen pics of him since Anton died. Blanche Barton too, has led a pretty private life in recent years. And remember that Peter Gilmore and his wife Peggy, took in Blanche and Xerxes when they had no place to go (AND to be honest, it was shameful that others didnt do more to help out! at least for Xerxes sake!) ... so Xerxes most likely has grown up loving his "uncle peter" and looking up to him... so EVEN if he wanted to be High Priest, he would most likely not want to hurt Peter Gilmore by asking.

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#33647 - 01/07/10 01:51 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
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And dont get me wrong as I am far from an expert on them. I can say that I met Zeena several times in the mid 1980s and she was indeed, stunningly beautiful and very kind to me. We were not friends or anything, but I did meet her several times and she came off as nice and intelligent. (Peter Gilmore likes to pretend she and Karla are both stupid, but both are very intelligent women)

I also met Nikolas Schreck in the past, and we comes off a lot different than that... he seemed... well.. I dont want to insult him, his intelligence or his personality... lets just say Zeena could have done a LOT better.

And I was so saddened to see personal family issues become the mess they became... Zeena really hurt her father and told outright lies about the man. Its well documented that LaVey liked to create a lot of "myths" about his life, but who cares? And its also known that his treatment of Diane LaVey/Hegarty at the end was not appropriate at all... but so much of the other tales Zeena has told were such lies.

I was equally saddened to see Blanche Barton and Karla LaVey not be able to honor his memory and work together. They held a press conference and planned to work together (which is what Anton wanted at that point I am sure) and then it fell apart and it became just another bunch of heirs fighting over every last penny and Anton LaVeys memory and legacy got lost in the fighting.....

But I see ZERO chance of it ever happening again. I doubt that Zeena will EVER speak to her son, mother, half brother or half sister again... and I am sure that Karla has only casual interaction with Stanton at this point....

Its a shame, but like a lot of other families, the LaVey family fell all apart after the central figure died.

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#33651 - 01/07/10 04:30 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
MatthewJ1
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To 111Cal,

Thanks for all this information about Karla and Zeena.

My word, you seem to have been in a position to have seen quite a bit of this history for yourself.

I didn't know that Gilmore had bought the whole show from Barton.

I am glad that this rather silly thread of mine has produced something of value for members such as myself who may not be as well informed about the more recent history of The Church.

I would like to change the thread's focus somewhat.

Karla and Zeena if you read this, join the 600 Club!

You are two of the world's greatest experts on the Satanic philosophy and the Satanic movement.

Join our lair!

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#33657 - 01/07/10 06:37 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
Morgan Offline
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Okay it seems like you might have tunnel vision.

Try looking here:
http://www.satanicchurch.com/content/

You would then see this place is the official forum of The First Satanic Church.

The First Satanic Church ( FSC ) is Karla's Church/group.

Also look here:
http://www.the600club.com/encyclopedia/First_Satanic_Church

Due to family situations, I seriously doubt any of the LaVey's will ever work together with any organizations ever again.

I was unaware that Barton and Xerxes moved to NYC, and Gilmore bought them out. Are you sure?

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#33661 - 01/07/10 07:13 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Morgan]
111Cal Offline
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Hi there. Actually I mistyped, I meant since Barton moved the CoS to NY. As far as I know, she still maintains a CA residence and has an active PO BOX in Chula Vista, CA. I am not 100% but that as my most recent info. I was typing fast and that was a typo.

As for her Selling the CoS to Peter Gilmore. The CoS does not make such records public, but it is my understanding that Peter and Peggy wanted the titles and the noteriety and Blanche needed the $ and so it was a financial arrangement. Barton was given the legal rights to the entity of the CoS in the LaVey settlement and its my understanding that she sold those to Gilmore in the mid 2000s.

And YES, Karla does have a group and a site. But she is not very vocal as such. You see Gilmore all over the place on radio and tv and in print. Karlas website still is not updated after years and some parts of it have never had more than a "Coming Soon" page to them. I think she is a bright and charismatic lady and looks a lot like her father and would love to see more of her on tv and in interviews and less of Peter and Peggy.

And of course you are right... its very unlikely that any of them could ever form a cohesive unit again. MAYBE Karla and Stanton could get back in closer touch and try to work together... to the best of my knowledge they have never had any real issues... except for the issue of Diane Hegarty/LaVeys royalties that I know was a disagreement with Diane and Karla... but who knows... maybe they can get past it and move on.

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#33663 - 01/07/10 07:24 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Morgan]
MatthewJ1
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Hi Morgan,

The initial purpose of this thread seems rather ridiculous I agree, (it is a crazy dream) but it is also intended to provoke people into talking about the LaVey family, their respective organisations and hopefully generate some new knowledge for members, and also reveal the ways some members think.

Let me assure you that my rather irritating fascination with Anton LaVey and his family and The Church will come to an end very soon. I am quickly losing interest and just want to move on and direct my studies elsewhere.

I would be delighted if Karla or Zeena or both joined the 600 Club, but I doubt they will.

Yes, I came across the 600 club through Karla's site. Does this mean Karla is somehow involved in running this lair, or that the owners of this lair are somehow affiliated with Karla? I don't know.

Gilmore owns the CoS? The claim has been made and it is a big one and it seems to make sense.

Have a nice day Morgan.

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#33664 - 01/07/10 07:25 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
111Cal Offline
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
To 111Cal,

Thanks for all this information about Karla and Zeena.

My word, you seem to have been in a position to have seen quite a bit of this history for yourself.

I didn't know that Gilmore had bought the whole show from Barton.

I am glad that this rather silly thread of mine has produced something of value for members such as myself who may not be as well informed about the more recent history of The Church.

I would like to change the thread's focus somewhat.

Karla and Zeena if you read this, join the 600 Club!

You are two of the world's greatest experts on the Satanic philosophy and the Satanic movement.

Join our lair!



Actually Karla has a link to her site as an ad... so does that imply that she at least has read the site??? maybe....

Zeena and Nikolas Schreck want NOTHING to do with the Satanic community... they are still Satanists (their own weird version of such) BUTTTT they apparently have burned all their bridges wtih the CoS and TOS and really have no friends left in the community.

And NO, I really dont have a whole lot of inside info or anything, I just know people who know people and I have a good memory!

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#33668 - 01/07/10 07:37 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
I would like to change the thread's focus somewhat.

So would I but to do this these personal masturbation fantasies need to be kept private.

 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
You are two of the world's greatest experts on the Satanic philosophy and the Satanic movement.

Please explain this one, as Satanism has no royal bloodline. Note: I’m not challenging anyone but you to define this. I have nothing against either organization or person but I am interested in what defines one as the world’s greatest Satanic expert? Another interesting question is why you feel this great need for a leader? As Satanists are their own leaders where does this leave you?

Funny Matthew reading many of your posts anyone can clearly see you are still pining for satanic recognition from anyone respected in the Satanic community and/or military. My guess is you will either blow up or slip off and come back under yet another screen name.

You are like a child tugging on an adult’s pants leg begging for attention. If it helps, you have mine.

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#33670 - 01/07/10 07:42 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ta2zz]
111Cal Offline
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I will say this. I agree with much of your points, but at the same time, all movements need leaders. All groups need figureheads and people who can articulate the views of that group to the movement. Back in the 1970s LaVey himself was quite vocal and willing to speak to the media. As he became more reclusive Karla and Zeena took up most of those duties. But they were always out there representing the views and beliefs that LaVey had put forth and letting people know what it was all about.

Since LaVeys death, Blanche Barton and Peter Gilmore have become somewhat of LaVey revisionists.... They have tried to change what LaVey believed and wrote into what THEY now believe and write... and the CoS today is NOT the same group it was when Anton was alive. I have nothing against either of them personally and I am thankful that Barton was able to bring love and happiness to him in his last years.... but the group they now lead is not the same group that LaVey founded... and NOT one that I think he would support if he were alive today.

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#33673 - 01/07/10 07:53 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
MatthewJ1
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It seems that a whole history is being actively surpressed and as a result a sense of inauthenticity hangs over the current church.

I don't know if this is your view 111Cal.

Authoritarianism tends to proliferate when supression occurs.

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#33676 - 01/07/10 08:00 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
111Cal Offline
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I am a middle of the road guy myself.... to be honest, I can see ALL points of view on this. I used to be a member of the CoS (I suppose I still am, but not actively) and I joined back in the early 1980s. At that time it was a lot different. A lot more authentic. I know that Dr. Aquino will say it hasnt been "real" since the 1970s split and maybe he has some valid points to that too. I have always respected Aquino and really wished that the two of them could have just sat down over a steak and a beer and worked out a way to salvage their friendship. EVEN though they had theological differences, there was no reason they couldnt have just agreed to disagree and co-existed as friends. But, I ramble....

I can even understand Zeenas feelings of anger and hurt at her father (although her lies and slander are INEXCUSABLE on all levels) and I can understand how Blanche Barton must have felt when the Satanic community and so many of LaVeys friends didnt come forward and try to help her. She was broke, with a little kid and in court over LaVeys estate.

But as for the current CoS? It is just not for me and not what LaVey was all about. I will tell you that my interactions with Peter Gilmore have been very limited. I have spoken with him in past years and at one time got some advertising from The Black Flame (when LaVey was alive) and found him to be pleasant and intelligent. He seems like a nice enough person, just a person that I do not see eye to eye with on theological issues and I do not like the current direction of the CoS. You cant rewrite what WAS and by trying to do so, all they do is cheapen LaVeys memory.

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#33681 - 01/07/10 08:45 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
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All groups need figureheads and people who can articulate the views of that group to the movement

I wouldn't say 'all', but in general this is true. But is Satanism really a 'movement'? A group? I would say 'no way, Jose'. There is no 'we' or any 'us'.

To how many minds Satanism spreads is really of no significance to me. I see no benefit in proselytizing or in apologetics. Really, what is the point? Cui Bono?

Satanism is out there, and the right people will always be able to find it. There are too many losers out there trying to use Satanism as self help for there pathetic existence already. I don't see how more of them cluttering up our message board would be beneficial in any way. \:\)
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