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#33683 - 01/07/10 09:03 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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The initial purpose of this thread seems rather ridiculous I agree, (it is a crazy dream) but it is also intended to provoke people into talking about the LaVey family,...


Honestly, why? Why are you 'all up in de biznuss?' Not to knock individual people (you don't get to choose your family) but the LaVey family is a just one trailer short of being booked on the Jerry Springer show. Papa LaVey was a product of his times and if it felt good he did it. Perhaps that is not the best way to run a family, a business or a church.

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Let me assure you that my rather irritating fascination with Anton LaVey and his family and The Church will come to an end very soon.


I think for most of us, that happened about 20 (or more) years ago. We still pay deference to the foundational material, but LaVey didn't invent the LHP and his work is only one aspect of something larger. The Church pretty much died with LaVey.

And listen, I understand. Wish I had a chance to meet the man and chat him up in person. But that is just not going to happen. My favorite band is The Misfits (the real one). But I know I am never going to see Glen Danzig and the Caiafa brothers on the same stage ever again. Such is life...

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Yes, I came across the 600 club through Karla's site. Does this mean Karla is somehow involved in running this lair, or that the owners of this lair are somehow affiliated with Karla?


She travels in the same orbit as some of our Left Coast friends.

In case you didn't know, one of our primary missions here is to be a nexus point for like minds and fellow travelers. Whenever possible, you should be meeting and acting in the real world.
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#33689 - 01/07/10 09:13 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Fist]
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I wouldnt be that harsh on the LaVey family. They are STILL all very intelligent, charismatic and intellectual people.... they just have their issues. I respect Karla a great deal and she is the best chance at a real option to the CoS. I think Stanton (after a rough youth) has come into his own and is a smart and bright man. Zeena (despite her obvious issues... which are numerous) is still a beautiful and intelligent lady.
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#33691 - 01/07/10 09:17 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Let me assure you that my rather irritating fascination with Anton LaVey and his family and The Church will come to an end very soon. I am quickly losing interest and just want to move on and direct my studies elsewhere.



I think its only natural to be interested in the family. It seems as if it would have been such a better alternate reality if things were different. Imagine if Anton and Diane LaVey had a "pleasant" break up and the Black House never had to be sold. And imagine if Zeena had ended up with someone besides Nikolas Schreck (as she dated quite a few well known CoS associates and I wont list names, but anyone of them would have been better than Schreck!) and imagine that her and Karla had been able to stay close and once LaVey died.... Zeena and Karla were both High Priestess with Blanche Barton running a lot of the day to day stuff... until Xerxes was old enough to take over...

Such a nicer alternative than the current CoS....

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#33693 - 01/07/10 09:37 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
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And if wishes were fishes beggars would eat.

You may think things would be "nicer" now if they didn't go down they way the did, but they did.

I honestly don't see what the big to do about CoS is anyways. It is almost as if one thinks they would be unable to continue on with their life without this organization to latch onto - figuratively or literally.

I like much of LaVey's work, I think it would have been cool to have a conversation with him but, like Fist, I understand that will never happen. I like the ideas but I care not for the status of the organization that at one time held up those ideas.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
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#33695 - 01/07/10 09:43 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Fist]
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There's words of wisdom there Fist.

Yes, I certainly focus my primary attention to my plans and goals in the real world.

I do want to reorient my studies.

By the way my studies are just that, it is not an attention seeking thing or a needing of approval or any of that sort of thing.

My studies supplement my work and rational goals in the world.

Where to move to now?

I have studied Nietzsche, Darwin, LaVey etc. etc.

Anyway, I always try to treat members here with courtesy and respect and I will continue to do that.

Have a good day Fist.

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#33696 - 01/07/10 09:51 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
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Woulda shoulda coulda.

Dr. LaVey and Lady Diane broke up. GET OVER IT. I was there and saw some of it first hand. It was no different than a million other couples that allowed their life to become involved more in personal battles and squabbling than anything else. They handled it like a million other couples.

Zeena made her own bed despite good advice. GET OVER IT. "Issues" hardly covers her history in regard to the rejection of The Church of Satan and the malicious way she handled it. There is no way that someone who would not get their way and then publicly excoriate the High Priest of the Church of Satan and the organization itself, should ever be allowed at its helm.

Karla... I support her in any of her personal and FCS undertakings. She is indeed a capable, and intelligent woman that's found a way to move on while still honoring the past and making a name for herself.

Blanche Barton. Please.

As for the Black House... selling it and demolishing it was the only practical thing to do. I spent many a wonderful hour there, and it was a building in the process of dying. $400,000 to buy the property would have been a drop in the bucket, and you could easily spend a million to bring it up to a livable standard.

As for this "magical triumvirate" of Zeena, Karla and Barton. Do you even understand what LaVey and The Church of Satan was actually all about? The symbolism of the High Priest and High Priestess isn't just a really nice picture for the pages of Look Magazine. It's a statement about dichotomy and the dichotomous nature or man and his relationship to the world, echoed in the myriad dichotomies that surround him.

There are a million "nicer alternatives," but Satanism isn't about "pipe dreams." It's about taking the realities of what is and manipulating them into situations that are of favor in one's life. Alternative realities are personal things and are seldom sustainable when one must interact with the world of others and THEIR perceived realities.

There's NO bigger supporter of Dr. LaVey than I, but this is all beginning to sound like a bunch of new-agey blue haired bitches sitting around and bemoaning what they want and can't have. "Complaining to strangers" because they can't do anything about what's happening.

GET OVER IT. Life isn't always the picture postcard of Never Never Land. I've been there and I've seen it up close, and while it was "Camelot" for a season, that season has ended.

"8. The chief duty of every new age is to upraise new men to determine its liberties, to lead it towards material success - to rend the rusty padlocks and chains of dead custom that always prevent healthy expansion. Theories and ideas that may have meant life and hope and freedom for our ancestors may now mean destruction, slavery, and dishonor to us!

9. As environments change, no human ideal standeth sure!"

The Satanic Bible - Anton Szandor LaVey

Without change and without growth, it could easily become "Pallid incompetence hanging on a tree."
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#33699 - 01/07/10 10:26 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Jake999]
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Jake, it was meant as a fanciful comment... not a realistic one. I had meant Zeena on several occasions, and yes, even then I could tell that she had "higher hopes" for herself. My point was that I can understand how she felt, but that her actions were inexcusable. She told outright lies about her father and continues to this day. NOT misunderstandings, but lies that she knows to be true. I was saying "issues" because we all know that she has been vindictive, petty, hateful, spiteful, dishonest, and I could go on for pages with all the venom that she spewed forth out of her little "temper tantrum" over not getting to take over daddys position when she wanted it! However, I Put much of that blame on her husband....

As for Blanche Barton? There are 2 important things that she did that were noteworthy and positive. 1. She made LaVey happy for the last years of his life and took care of him and 2. She gave him a son he wanted to badly. I do not know her on a personal level. And I have MANY NUMEROUS disagreements with how she has done things since LaVey died.

And the point about "how nice it would have been" was in fact just a sort of fairy tale. BUT at the same time, does anyone here think that LaVey would have been proud of how the CoS has twisted itself into what it is now? Does anyone think that he would have been happy to see Peter Gilmore running the show?

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#33704 - 01/07/10 11:33 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
... There are a million "nicer alternatives," but Satanism isn't about "pipe dreams." It's about taking the realities of what is and manipulating them into situations that are of favor in one's life. Alternative realities are personal things and are seldom sustainable when one must interact with the world of others and THEIR perceived realities.

There's NO bigger supporter of Dr. LaVey than I, but this is all beginning to sound like a bunch of new-agey blue haired bitches sitting around and bemoaning what they want and can't have. "Complaining to strangers" because they can't do anything about what's happening.


Bullseye, Jake.

 Originally Posted By: M.A.A., COS
A somewhat similar paradox was encountered by Anton LaVey himself as Satanic High Priest. He knew what the title meant to himself, but he soon discovered that it meant many other things to many other people, and that they would become disillusioned, resentful, and even dangerous if he failed to live up to their expectations or play to their fantasies. Like Satan himself, Anton became teacher, master, father, friend, fiend, slave-driver, philosopher, clown, prophet, aristocrat, and god. His carnival studies had taught him to read his idealized image in others’ eyes and to play to that image [or against it if he were minded to shock his audience].

 Originally Posted By: Anton LaVey to M.A.A. 10/14/69
I was amused by your description of the crowd’s reaction to my presence at the opening of Rosemary’s Baby. I must admit I rather enjoy striking terror into the hearts of those mild-mannered souls whose collective unconscious produces that reaction.

I’ve been accused of having a jaded, Machiavellian sense of humor, and I suppose I do. As one reporter once wrote when commenting on various props in my house which are obviously there for fun: “A grim sorcerer would be unbearable.” I agree, even though I realize there is a time for decorum and a time for letting one’s hair down; and I am a near fanatic when it comes to separating the two.

At any rate I’m pleased that the theater incident led you to the Church, even though I have no doubt that you would have eventually found your way here anyway. It seems that the right people do, one way or another.

I was highly intrigued by your description of PSYOP and noted with particular pleasure that you referred to “weaknesses of the mind”, which of course evokes much Satanic rumination on my part. Were it not for the only-too-obvious weaknesses of mind prevalent in the popular majority, past religions could never have achieved the stronghold they have had for far too long.

It somewhat saddens me to realize that even when you offer the masses something better and a choice between freedom and bondage with regard to religion or even just a way of life, most will choose bondage. My only consolation, though, is that now people have a choice, and those worthy of consideration and capable of emancipation have somewhere to turn. As far as the rest are concerned, if they need a villain to fulfill their masochistic psychological needs, then I’m glad to oblige!

In 1928 a man named Abraham Merritt wrote a novel entitled Seven Footprints to Satan, not about the Devil but about a freakish human mastermind who modeled his personality and pleasures after those of the Archfiend. He commanded a global following of influential and powerful personalities, bound to him not only by fear but by admiration and respect.

But there was another dimension to “Satan’s” character. In an underground dungeon he would summon before him a ghastly assortment of the ruined, the helpless, and the hopeless of humanity - pathetic creatures for whom life had lost whatever meaning it once might have had. To each of these poor, damned souls “Satan” would offer a drink of a drug called Kheft in return for an appeal to him as God. And for a brief moment after tasting the Kheft, the suppliant would forget his agony and obtain a glimpse of some fleeting memory dear to him. If anything were required to make such a scene even more hellish, it was the wanton, disdainful cynicism with which “Satan” received each obeisance and dispensed each chalice of the Kheft.

It was Anton LaVey’s fate to administer a type of Kheft to those who demanded it of him, and only he is in a position to know the emotions that gripped him as he answered each appeal. Pity? Contempt? Or some terrible combination of the two that, in Merritt’s words, would “dissolve his very soul” as it witnessed the simultaneous salvation and destruction of the souls of others in his Den of Iniquity? Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate.
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#103788 - 11/07/15 10:01 AM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Two of the most up-to-date interviews with Karla I have seen, can be found:

here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYcdDFV9Tl8

here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uesBQE-Xon8

The most up-to-date interview with Zeena I have see, can be found:

here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hurX8Tp3Mys

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