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#33614 - 01/06/10 11:43 PM The Karla and Zeena Party!
MatthewJ1
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I think it may be high time for serious action!

I believe we may need to get together on this thing and begin building the sort of grass roots restorationist organisation needed to get the job done!

We need a genuine platform with serious planks! We want justice!

We need to build the Karla and Zeena Party!

The time will surely come when Karla and Zeena will ride back into town and will kick ass and boot out the usurpers and reclaim their birth right! It is destiny!

The legends will come screeching into town on huge hogs and will chase Magistra Barton, Magus Gilmore and Magistra Nadramia out!

Karla and Zeena will brandish big sticks and will deliver many well deserved welts and lumps upon the current hierarchy!

Never mind the child Xerxes, we want Karla and Zeena!

Bring back the proven quality and get rid of the mouthpieces, robots and caretakers!

Unite the First Satanic Church and The Church of Satan – solidarity now!

Reinstate the monarchy!

Bring back the real High Priestesses of The Church!

Bring back the greatness! Bring back Karla and Zeena!

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#33616 - 01/07/10 12:27 AM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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Maybe a lock-in at the Y is in order...

I'm a little weary of all this "we need" talk. I don't see why I need to do any of those things. Time for serious action? Okay then, lead by example. Take the first step and maybe others will follow suit.

Your entire "call to action" - if it can be labeled as such - is based on the assumption that Karla and Zeena actually care to wrestle control away from Gilmore & Co. AND are willing to work together. It seems to me they have both distanced themselves from each other and CoS. I could be wrong though.
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#33620 - 01/07/10 02:57 AM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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As 6 already mentioned: why the fuck should I take action?
If I'm not mistaking I have a personal agenda, Zeena and Karla have a personal agenda and many others do so either. And as far as I can see: I have no personal gain in the whole thing, I doubt it would better my ( and others) life.

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The legends will come screeching into town on huge hogs and will chase Magistra Barton, Magus Gilmore and Magistra Nadramia out!
Legend? What legend? You mean wishfull thinking...

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Bring back the proven quality and get rid of the mouthpieces, robots and caretakers!

The "proven quality" is still around. It should be found on personal level and not in group. Elitism starts with individuality and not by a group.

Should I also mention that monarchy involves 1 leader and not 2.

Idiocy should be painfull..


Edited by Dimitri (01/07/10 02:58 AM)
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#33644 - 01/07/10 01:39 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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This would never happen.

Zeena Schreck has had no contact with her family since she and her leech of a husband, Nikolas crawled out of the woodwork to fight over the estate of Anton LaVey. After wanting no part of him for years, she suddenly wanted part of his estate. (And if u check ebay, you will see that some items she got are often for sale on ebay by companies that deal with collectibles. You can tell these items came from Zeena because the dealer writes that he got them from LaVeys Daughter and Son-in-Law!)

Zeena has not spoken to her son Stanton since he fled Germany and moved in with his grandmother.. and she has not spoken to her mother since she took in Stanton. Zeena and Karla have not been on good terms in years and I doubt that the fighting over the estate helped matters.

I do not believe Zeena has EVER seen her half brother Xerxes and I doubt if Karla or Stanton have seen him since Blanche Barton moved to NY.

Additionally in interviews, Stanton has stated that he doesnt really keep in touch with his Aunt Karla.... The whole LaVey family is dysfunctional as hell when it comes to interacting with one another and I really think Anton would be really upset if he saw the state of things today!

Zeena has made it clear she despised her father (more out of petty jealousy and the influence of her husband I believe) and wants nothing to do with the CoS. She has not even been publicly active at all, since leaving the Temple of Set.

Karla gave up all rights to the CoS and really doesnt seem to be too concerned about it at all either. She keeps busy with her events and concerts and radio show and such.

Stanton LaVey has matured into an intelligent young man, and I had hoped that somehow when Xerxes is of age (which is not too far away) that maybe the 2 of them would become a power in the CoS.

But to be honest, Peter Gilmore owns it.... Lock, Stock and Barrel. He bought the rights from Blanche Barton and he owns the whole she-bang! I do not see him giving up the power (or at least his belief that he has power) anytime soon. Even if Xerxes comes of age, the question remains.... would he even WANT to lead the CoS???? He has grown up without Anton LaVey or any of the LaVey family in his life. The other LaVey children grew up with the publc eye on them and were groomed for the role. Xerxes has had a private life and we have not even seen pics of him since Anton died. Blanche Barton too, has led a pretty private life in recent years. And remember that Peter Gilmore and his wife Peggy, took in Blanche and Xerxes when they had no place to go (AND to be honest, it was shameful that others didnt do more to help out! at least for Xerxes sake!) ... so Xerxes most likely has grown up loving his "uncle peter" and looking up to him... so EVEN if he wanted to be High Priest, he would most likely not want to hurt Peter Gilmore by asking.

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#33647 - 01/07/10 01:51 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
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And dont get me wrong as I am far from an expert on them. I can say that I met Zeena several times in the mid 1980s and she was indeed, stunningly beautiful and very kind to me. We were not friends or anything, but I did meet her several times and she came off as nice and intelligent. (Peter Gilmore likes to pretend she and Karla are both stupid, but both are very intelligent women)

I also met Nikolas Schreck in the past, and we comes off a lot different than that... he seemed... well.. I dont want to insult him, his intelligence or his personality... lets just say Zeena could have done a LOT better.

And I was so saddened to see personal family issues become the mess they became... Zeena really hurt her father and told outright lies about the man. Its well documented that LaVey liked to create a lot of "myths" about his life, but who cares? And its also known that his treatment of Diane LaVey/Hegarty at the end was not appropriate at all... but so much of the other tales Zeena has told were such lies.

I was equally saddened to see Blanche Barton and Karla LaVey not be able to honor his memory and work together. They held a press conference and planned to work together (which is what Anton wanted at that point I am sure) and then it fell apart and it became just another bunch of heirs fighting over every last penny and Anton LaVeys memory and legacy got lost in the fighting.....

But I see ZERO chance of it ever happening again. I doubt that Zeena will EVER speak to her son, mother, half brother or half sister again... and I am sure that Karla has only casual interaction with Stanton at this point....

Its a shame, but like a lot of other families, the LaVey family fell all apart after the central figure died.

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#33651 - 01/07/10 04:30 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
MatthewJ1
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To 111Cal,

Thanks for all this information about Karla and Zeena.

My word, you seem to have been in a position to have seen quite a bit of this history for yourself.

I didn't know that Gilmore had bought the whole show from Barton.

I am glad that this rather silly thread of mine has produced something of value for members such as myself who may not be as well informed about the more recent history of The Church.

I would like to change the thread's focus somewhat.

Karla and Zeena if you read this, join the 600 Club!

You are two of the world's greatest experts on the Satanic philosophy and the Satanic movement.

Join our lair!

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#33657 - 01/07/10 06:37 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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Okay it seems like you might have tunnel vision.

Try looking here:
http://www.satanicchurch.com/content/

You would then see this place is the official forum of The First Satanic Church.

The First Satanic Church ( FSC ) is Karla's Church/group.

Also look here:
http://www.the600club.com/encyclopedia/First_Satanic_Church

Due to family situations, I seriously doubt any of the LaVey's will ever work together with any organizations ever again.

I was unaware that Barton and Xerxes moved to NYC, and Gilmore bought them out. Are you sure?

Morgan
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#33661 - 01/07/10 07:13 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Morgan]
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Hi there. Actually I mistyped, I meant since Barton moved the CoS to NY. As far as I know, she still maintains a CA residence and has an active PO BOX in Chula Vista, CA. I am not 100% but that as my most recent info. I was typing fast and that was a typo.

As for her Selling the CoS to Peter Gilmore. The CoS does not make such records public, but it is my understanding that Peter and Peggy wanted the titles and the noteriety and Blanche needed the $ and so it was a financial arrangement. Barton was given the legal rights to the entity of the CoS in the LaVey settlement and its my understanding that she sold those to Gilmore in the mid 2000s.

And YES, Karla does have a group and a site. But she is not very vocal as such. You see Gilmore all over the place on radio and tv and in print. Karlas website still is not updated after years and some parts of it have never had more than a "Coming Soon" page to them. I think she is a bright and charismatic lady and looks a lot like her father and would love to see more of her on tv and in interviews and less of Peter and Peggy.

And of course you are right... its very unlikely that any of them could ever form a cohesive unit again. MAYBE Karla and Stanton could get back in closer touch and try to work together... to the best of my knowledge they have never had any real issues... except for the issue of Diane Hegarty/LaVeys royalties that I know was a disagreement with Diane and Karla... but who knows... maybe they can get past it and move on.

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#33663 - 01/07/10 07:24 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Morgan]
MatthewJ1
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Hi Morgan,

The initial purpose of this thread seems rather ridiculous I agree, (it is a crazy dream) but it is also intended to provoke people into talking about the LaVey family, their respective organisations and hopefully generate some new knowledge for members, and also reveal the ways some members think.

Let me assure you that my rather irritating fascination with Anton LaVey and his family and The Church will come to an end very soon. I am quickly losing interest and just want to move on and direct my studies elsewhere.

I would be delighted if Karla or Zeena or both joined the 600 Club, but I doubt they will.

Yes, I came across the 600 club through Karla's site. Does this mean Karla is somehow involved in running this lair, or that the owners of this lair are somehow affiliated with Karla? I don't know.

Gilmore owns the CoS? The claim has been made and it is a big one and it seems to make sense.

Have a nice day Morgan.

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#33664 - 01/07/10 07:25 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
111Cal Offline
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
To 111Cal,

Thanks for all this information about Karla and Zeena.

My word, you seem to have been in a position to have seen quite a bit of this history for yourself.

I didn't know that Gilmore had bought the whole show from Barton.

I am glad that this rather silly thread of mine has produced something of value for members such as myself who may not be as well informed about the more recent history of The Church.

I would like to change the thread's focus somewhat.

Karla and Zeena if you read this, join the 600 Club!

You are two of the world's greatest experts on the Satanic philosophy and the Satanic movement.

Join our lair!



Actually Karla has a link to her site as an ad... so does that imply that she at least has read the site??? maybe....

Zeena and Nikolas Schreck want NOTHING to do with the Satanic community... they are still Satanists (their own weird version of such) BUTTTT they apparently have burned all their bridges wtih the CoS and TOS and really have no friends left in the community.

And NO, I really dont have a whole lot of inside info or anything, I just know people who know people and I have a good memory!

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#33668 - 01/07/10 07:37 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
I would like to change the thread's focus somewhat.

So would I but to do this these personal masturbation fantasies need to be kept private.

 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
You are two of the world's greatest experts on the Satanic philosophy and the Satanic movement.

Please explain this one, as Satanism has no royal bloodline. Note: I’m not challenging anyone but you to define this. I have nothing against either organization or person but I am interested in what defines one as the world’s greatest Satanic expert? Another interesting question is why you feel this great need for a leader? As Satanists are their own leaders where does this leave you?

Funny Matthew reading many of your posts anyone can clearly see you are still pining for satanic recognition from anyone respected in the Satanic community and/or military. My guess is you will either blow up or slip off and come back under yet another screen name.

You are like a child tugging on an adult’s pants leg begging for attention. If it helps, you have mine.

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#33670 - 01/07/10 07:42 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ta2zz]
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I will say this. I agree with much of your points, but at the same time, all movements need leaders. All groups need figureheads and people who can articulate the views of that group to the movement. Back in the 1970s LaVey himself was quite vocal and willing to speak to the media. As he became more reclusive Karla and Zeena took up most of those duties. But they were always out there representing the views and beliefs that LaVey had put forth and letting people know what it was all about.

Since LaVeys death, Blanche Barton and Peter Gilmore have become somewhat of LaVey revisionists.... They have tried to change what LaVey believed and wrote into what THEY now believe and write... and the CoS today is NOT the same group it was when Anton was alive. I have nothing against either of them personally and I am thankful that Barton was able to bring love and happiness to him in his last years.... but the group they now lead is not the same group that LaVey founded... and NOT one that I think he would support if he were alive today.

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#33673 - 01/07/10 07:53 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
MatthewJ1
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It seems that a whole history is being actively surpressed and as a result a sense of inauthenticity hangs over the current church.

I don't know if this is your view 111Cal.

Authoritarianism tends to proliferate when supression occurs.

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#33676 - 01/07/10 08:00 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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I am a middle of the road guy myself.... to be honest, I can see ALL points of view on this. I used to be a member of the CoS (I suppose I still am, but not actively) and I joined back in the early 1980s. At that time it was a lot different. A lot more authentic. I know that Dr. Aquino will say it hasnt been "real" since the 1970s split and maybe he has some valid points to that too. I have always respected Aquino and really wished that the two of them could have just sat down over a steak and a beer and worked out a way to salvage their friendship. EVEN though they had theological differences, there was no reason they couldnt have just agreed to disagree and co-existed as friends. But, I ramble....

I can even understand Zeenas feelings of anger and hurt at her father (although her lies and slander are INEXCUSABLE on all levels) and I can understand how Blanche Barton must have felt when the Satanic community and so many of LaVeys friends didnt come forward and try to help her. She was broke, with a little kid and in court over LaVeys estate.

But as for the current CoS? It is just not for me and not what LaVey was all about. I will tell you that my interactions with Peter Gilmore have been very limited. I have spoken with him in past years and at one time got some advertising from The Black Flame (when LaVey was alive) and found him to be pleasant and intelligent. He seems like a nice enough person, just a person that I do not see eye to eye with on theological issues and I do not like the current direction of the CoS. You cant rewrite what WAS and by trying to do so, all they do is cheapen LaVeys memory.

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#33681 - 01/07/10 08:45 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
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All groups need figureheads and people who can articulate the views of that group to the movement

I wouldn't say 'all', but in general this is true. But is Satanism really a 'movement'? A group? I would say 'no way, Jose'. There is no 'we' or any 'us'.

To how many minds Satanism spreads is really of no significance to me. I see no benefit in proselytizing or in apologetics. Really, what is the point? Cui Bono?

Satanism is out there, and the right people will always be able to find it. There are too many losers out there trying to use Satanism as self help for there pathetic existence already. I don't see how more of them cluttering up our message board would be beneficial in any way. \:\)
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#33683 - 01/07/10 09:03 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
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The initial purpose of this thread seems rather ridiculous I agree, (it is a crazy dream) but it is also intended to provoke people into talking about the LaVey family,...


Honestly, why? Why are you 'all up in de biznuss?' Not to knock individual people (you don't get to choose your family) but the LaVey family is a just one trailer short of being booked on the Jerry Springer show. Papa LaVey was a product of his times and if it felt good he did it. Perhaps that is not the best way to run a family, a business or a church.

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Let me assure you that my rather irritating fascination with Anton LaVey and his family and The Church will come to an end very soon.


I think for most of us, that happened about 20 (or more) years ago. We still pay deference to the foundational material, but LaVey didn't invent the LHP and his work is only one aspect of something larger. The Church pretty much died with LaVey.

And listen, I understand. Wish I had a chance to meet the man and chat him up in person. But that is just not going to happen. My favorite band is The Misfits (the real one). But I know I am never going to see Glen Danzig and the Caiafa brothers on the same stage ever again. Such is life...

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Yes, I came across the 600 club through Karla's site. Does this mean Karla is somehow involved in running this lair, or that the owners of this lair are somehow affiliated with Karla?


She travels in the same orbit as some of our Left Coast friends.

In case you didn't know, one of our primary missions here is to be a nexus point for like minds and fellow travelers. Whenever possible, you should be meeting and acting in the real world.
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#33689 - 01/07/10 09:13 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Fist]
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I wouldnt be that harsh on the LaVey family. They are STILL all very intelligent, charismatic and intellectual people.... they just have their issues. I respect Karla a great deal and she is the best chance at a real option to the CoS. I think Stanton (after a rough youth) has come into his own and is a smart and bright man. Zeena (despite her obvious issues... which are numerous) is still a beautiful and intelligent lady.
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#33691 - 01/07/10 09:17 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: ]
111Cal Offline
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Let me assure you that my rather irritating fascination with Anton LaVey and his family and The Church will come to an end very soon. I am quickly losing interest and just want to move on and direct my studies elsewhere.



I think its only natural to be interested in the family. It seems as if it would have been such a better alternate reality if things were different. Imagine if Anton and Diane LaVey had a "pleasant" break up and the Black House never had to be sold. And imagine if Zeena had ended up with someone besides Nikolas Schreck (as she dated quite a few well known CoS associates and I wont list names, but anyone of them would have been better than Schreck!) and imagine that her and Karla had been able to stay close and once LaVey died.... Zeena and Karla were both High Priestess with Blanche Barton running a lot of the day to day stuff... until Xerxes was old enough to take over...

Such a nicer alternative than the current CoS....

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#33693 - 01/07/10 09:37 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
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And if wishes were fishes beggars would eat.

You may think things would be "nicer" now if they didn't go down they way the did, but they did.

I honestly don't see what the big to do about CoS is anyways. It is almost as if one thinks they would be unable to continue on with their life without this organization to latch onto - figuratively or literally.

I like much of LaVey's work, I think it would have been cool to have a conversation with him but, like Fist, I understand that will never happen. I like the ideas but I care not for the status of the organization that at one time held up those ideas.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
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#33695 - 01/07/10 09:43 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Fist]
MatthewJ1
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There's words of wisdom there Fist.

Yes, I certainly focus my primary attention to my plans and goals in the real world.

I do want to reorient my studies.

By the way my studies are just that, it is not an attention seeking thing or a needing of approval or any of that sort of thing.

My studies supplement my work and rational goals in the world.

Where to move to now?

I have studied Nietzsche, Darwin, LaVey etc. etc.

Anyway, I always try to treat members here with courtesy and respect and I will continue to do that.

Have a good day Fist.

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#33696 - 01/07/10 09:51 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: 111Cal]
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Woulda shoulda coulda.

Dr. LaVey and Lady Diane broke up. GET OVER IT. I was there and saw some of it first hand. It was no different than a million other couples that allowed their life to become involved more in personal battles and squabbling than anything else. They handled it like a million other couples.

Zeena made her own bed despite good advice. GET OVER IT. "Issues" hardly covers her history in regard to the rejection of The Church of Satan and the malicious way she handled it. There is no way that someone who would not get their way and then publicly excoriate the High Priest of the Church of Satan and the organization itself, should ever be allowed at its helm.

Karla... I support her in any of her personal and FCS undertakings. She is indeed a capable, and intelligent woman that's found a way to move on while still honoring the past and making a name for herself.

Blanche Barton. Please.

As for the Black House... selling it and demolishing it was the only practical thing to do. I spent many a wonderful hour there, and it was a building in the process of dying. $400,000 to buy the property would have been a drop in the bucket, and you could easily spend a million to bring it up to a livable standard.

As for this "magical triumvirate" of Zeena, Karla and Barton. Do you even understand what LaVey and The Church of Satan was actually all about? The symbolism of the High Priest and High Priestess isn't just a really nice picture for the pages of Look Magazine. It's a statement about dichotomy and the dichotomous nature or man and his relationship to the world, echoed in the myriad dichotomies that surround him.

There are a million "nicer alternatives," but Satanism isn't about "pipe dreams." It's about taking the realities of what is and manipulating them into situations that are of favor in one's life. Alternative realities are personal things and are seldom sustainable when one must interact with the world of others and THEIR perceived realities.

There's NO bigger supporter of Dr. LaVey than I, but this is all beginning to sound like a bunch of new-agey blue haired bitches sitting around and bemoaning what they want and can't have. "Complaining to strangers" because they can't do anything about what's happening.

GET OVER IT. Life isn't always the picture postcard of Never Never Land. I've been there and I've seen it up close, and while it was "Camelot" for a season, that season has ended.

"8. The chief duty of every new age is to upraise new men to determine its liberties, to lead it towards material success - to rend the rusty padlocks and chains of dead custom that always prevent healthy expansion. Theories and ideas that may have meant life and hope and freedom for our ancestors may now mean destruction, slavery, and dishonor to us!

9. As environments change, no human ideal standeth sure!"

The Satanic Bible - Anton Szandor LaVey

Without change and without growth, it could easily become "Pallid incompetence hanging on a tree."
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#33699 - 01/07/10 10:26 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Jake999]
111Cal Offline
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Jake, it was meant as a fanciful comment... not a realistic one. I had meant Zeena on several occasions, and yes, even then I could tell that she had "higher hopes" for herself. My point was that I can understand how she felt, but that her actions were inexcusable. She told outright lies about her father and continues to this day. NOT misunderstandings, but lies that she knows to be true. I was saying "issues" because we all know that she has been vindictive, petty, hateful, spiteful, dishonest, and I could go on for pages with all the venom that she spewed forth out of her little "temper tantrum" over not getting to take over daddys position when she wanted it! However, I Put much of that blame on her husband....

As for Blanche Barton? There are 2 important things that she did that were noteworthy and positive. 1. She made LaVey happy for the last years of his life and took care of him and 2. She gave him a son he wanted to badly. I do not know her on a personal level. And I have MANY NUMEROUS disagreements with how she has done things since LaVey died.

And the point about "how nice it would have been" was in fact just a sort of fairy tale. BUT at the same time, does anyone here think that LaVey would have been proud of how the CoS has twisted itself into what it is now? Does anyone think that he would have been happy to see Peter Gilmore running the show?

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#33704 - 01/07/10 11:33 PM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
... There are a million "nicer alternatives," but Satanism isn't about "pipe dreams." It's about taking the realities of what is and manipulating them into situations that are of favor in one's life. Alternative realities are personal things and are seldom sustainable when one must interact with the world of others and THEIR perceived realities.

There's NO bigger supporter of Dr. LaVey than I, but this is all beginning to sound like a bunch of new-agey blue haired bitches sitting around and bemoaning what they want and can't have. "Complaining to strangers" because they can't do anything about what's happening.


Bullseye, Jake.

 Originally Posted By: M.A.A., COS
A somewhat similar paradox was encountered by Anton LaVey himself as Satanic High Priest. He knew what the title meant to himself, but he soon discovered that it meant many other things to many other people, and that they would become disillusioned, resentful, and even dangerous if he failed to live up to their expectations or play to their fantasies. Like Satan himself, Anton became teacher, master, father, friend, fiend, slave-driver, philosopher, clown, prophet, aristocrat, and god. His carnival studies had taught him to read his idealized image in others’ eyes and to play to that image [or against it if he were minded to shock his audience].

 Originally Posted By: Anton LaVey to M.A.A. 10/14/69
I was amused by your description of the crowd’s reaction to my presence at the opening of Rosemary’s Baby. I must admit I rather enjoy striking terror into the hearts of those mild-mannered souls whose collective unconscious produces that reaction.

I’ve been accused of having a jaded, Machiavellian sense of humor, and I suppose I do. As one reporter once wrote when commenting on various props in my house which are obviously there for fun: “A grim sorcerer would be unbearable.” I agree, even though I realize there is a time for decorum and a time for letting one’s hair down; and I am a near fanatic when it comes to separating the two.

At any rate I’m pleased that the theater incident led you to the Church, even though I have no doubt that you would have eventually found your way here anyway. It seems that the right people do, one way or another.

I was highly intrigued by your description of PSYOP and noted with particular pleasure that you referred to “weaknesses of the mind”, which of course evokes much Satanic rumination on my part. Were it not for the only-too-obvious weaknesses of mind prevalent in the popular majority, past religions could never have achieved the stronghold they have had for far too long.

It somewhat saddens me to realize that even when you offer the masses something better and a choice between freedom and bondage with regard to religion or even just a way of life, most will choose bondage. My only consolation, though, is that now people have a choice, and those worthy of consideration and capable of emancipation have somewhere to turn. As far as the rest are concerned, if they need a villain to fulfill their masochistic psychological needs, then I’m glad to oblige!

In 1928 a man named Abraham Merritt wrote a novel entitled Seven Footprints to Satan, not about the Devil but about a freakish human mastermind who modeled his personality and pleasures after those of the Archfiend. He commanded a global following of influential and powerful personalities, bound to him not only by fear but by admiration and respect.

But there was another dimension to “Satan’s” character. In an underground dungeon he would summon before him a ghastly assortment of the ruined, the helpless, and the hopeless of humanity - pathetic creatures for whom life had lost whatever meaning it once might have had. To each of these poor, damned souls “Satan” would offer a drink of a drug called Kheft in return for an appeal to him as God. And for a brief moment after tasting the Kheft, the suppliant would forget his agony and obtain a glimpse of some fleeting memory dear to him. If anything were required to make such a scene even more hellish, it was the wanton, disdainful cynicism with which “Satan” received each obeisance and dispensed each chalice of the Kheft.

It was Anton LaVey’s fate to administer a type of Kheft to those who demanded it of him, and only he is in a position to know the emotions that gripped him as he answered each appeal. Pity? Contempt? Or some terrible combination of the two that, in Merritt’s words, would “dissolve his very soul” as it witnessed the simultaneous salvation and destruction of the souls of others in his Den of Iniquity? Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate.
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Michael A. Aquino

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#103788 - 11/07/15 10:01 AM Re: The Karla and Zeena Party! [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Two of the most up-to-date interviews with Karla I have seen, can be found:

here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYcdDFV9Tl8

here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uesBQE-Xon8

The most up-to-date interview with Zeena I have see, can be found:

here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hurX8Tp3Mys

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