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#3382 - 01/12/08 12:42 AM Strange Thing I Noticed Here.
faithinchaos Offline
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Not to sound mean, sarcastic, or stupid but why do I see posts claiming Satanism isn't bad? Then I see posts that damn the younger generation for thinking the Devil is "cool". If its about Satanic cultures wouldn't you promote the idea of the Devil being "cool"? I'm not quite getting the purpose for that, no I take that back, I'm totally lost on this one. If the purpose is to promote Satanism then you will have to face the fact of new generations carrying out the beleif of Satanism after everyone here passes or moves on or whatever. Otherwise your beleif and way of life is all for nothing, a lost cause to fight for basicly. But if you are trying to fight againts Satanism then might I suggest you get beleifs straight first. Nobody will beleive you either way with riding a fence, get what I'm saying? So tell me whats with the whole good/bad thing going on in this forum, hmmm?
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#3387 - 01/12/08 04:09 AM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: faithinchaos]
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Well first off, Satanism from a LaVeyan perspective, was never meant to be a main stream religion. It is meant only for a select few who are capable of applying the philosophy to their lives completely. The intro page to the CoS says plainly "looking for a few outstanding individuals" or something to that effect. They don't want just any ole shmuck claiming to be a Satanist! But that is the Churches official stance. I don't recall anyone here trying to propagandize Satanism in any form though.

As for the youth, I hope the younger generation takes an interest but I would hope that interest matures into dedication when they reach adult hood. I also hope that the lil' ones research everything before they make a decision to commit to a satanic way of life. It is not for everyone and was never meant to be. The CoS views this as being Elite. Can you tell which side of the fence I'm on? LOL!

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#3392 - 01/12/08 01:25 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: faithinchaos]
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Not to sound mean, sarcastic, or stupid but why do I see posts claiming Satanism isn't bad? Then I see posts that damn the younger generation for thinking the Devil is "cool".


I believe that I understand your confusion.
It appears as if “Satanist’s on one hand, look down on those who have “faith” from other belief systems, because the Satanist’s believe that Satanism is more enlightening and reality based then just about every other philosophy.

Yet, when so called “Newbies,” who often come from the younger generation, attempt to be part of this self proclaimed “elite” group, they are often treated with harsh words, and scorn, which appears to be an attempt to put them down, and make them feel like an outsider, instead of welcoming them into the fold, as most other religions would do, with just about anyone who proclaims some interest in them.

Perhaps, the analogy of “Baptism by fire” might fit this scenario somewhat. The fire will burn up those who are weak spirited, and overly sensitive. It will without doubt burn up, or turn off, and turn away those, who’s ego is too big for TRUE and objective self examination.

Often times, those who are new to Satanism, see the subject as the ultimate form of rebellion against society.
Although rebellion is a very healthy, and positive attitude, and most of the great things that have been accomplished and gained through out history comes from said attitude, it is nothing more then a theatrical production, if it is not based on a real cause, or understanding of what it is that one is rebelling against.

The so called “Sheep,” or in other words the general population, looks up to the “Rebel Without a Cause” in movies, because it touches the rebel or the “dark side” inside of them, which just about every human being possesses. However, it has been beaten out, or greatly restrained in most people.
Yet, often times, in a real struggle between life and death, it is this dark side within us, that gives us the only hope for survival. Therefore, even if it is repressed, because of personal faith based beliefs, it is still present on some level, and if it is stirred up in a person, it gives them a feeling of power. And I am willing to use to word “every,” in this rare instance, when I state that every person likes to have some kind of power, even if it is power only over ones own life.

HOWEVER, that feeling of power, or “wanna be” rebelliousness, that one gets from the cinema or books, is quickly forgotten, and put back “in it’s place” as fantasy, in the older population of the herd. Many will not even admit to themselves, that it gives them a hard on, to think about it.

On the other hand, the younger and more impressionable of the herd, might embrace and copy the “look” and mannerisms of the rebel on the movie screen, thinking in their not yet matured minds, that to dress, and to “walk” the way of the rebel, actually makes them such. But many of these younger people do not have the knowledge of what exactly it is, that which they are rebelling against.

This is why, one will often see the typical teenager, who dresses in a way that their parents might dislike, and tell their friends how retarded or stupid their parents are. Yet, they depend on these parents for their very survival, and would be lost without them.

On the other hand, the mature, or true initiated Satanist, does not rebel simply because it “looks cool” or to appear different, but because through life experience, and the objective study of humanity, have found a true reason to not accept the ideals of the herd. It would take many long pages for me to explain all of the reasons which we may give for our “rebellion,” and even if I did that, it would be meaningless to most people who are not within the “inner circle,” because it would only be my personal views, which are meaningless to others, if they have not done the work and self analysis themselves.

The true initiate, does not feel that they have to show the world that they are rebels or different, but instead, live their lives as they wish, which automatically make them appear different to the outside observer. In simpler terms, they ARE, instead of TRYING to be.

Therefore, after all my verbal blabbering, to get back to your original question; when a newbie comes forward, with their dramatic, theatrical persona, believing themselves to be a Satanist, they are simply given a dose of reality.
Their stage production is ripped apart, and shown for exactly what it is. Nothing more then a performance, or a wanna be attempt at rebellion. This does not mean, that the “initiate” is not very sincere in believing that what they present, is the real thing.

However, often times, when the initiates dramatic rebellion, is ripped apart, they will get greatly defensive, and will show tooth and claw in an attempt to protect their fragile little egos, without taking the time to truly examine why they are being put down. They might try to make a more dramatic stance to prove that they are right, or go read some books, from free thinking writers, such as LaVey, and start quoting them, and repeating what they have read, as if those ideas were their very own. Meanwhile, they fail to have one single original thought of their own. Eventually, they will give up, and crawl back to the safety of their mothers titties, and become alter boys or girls, claiming that they have found God, and spread the word about how Evil Satanists are, because at one time, they did battle with the devil themselves.

The ones that were “born” to be Satanists, when they are put down, and get a good dose of reality, will sit back, do some true and objective self analysis, and find their own reasons for being Satanists. They might disappear for years, without a word, but when they return, they will be recognized as part of the truly “elite.”
At that point, no one can throw them off their pedestal, because they are the pedestal.

There are many traps for the new initiate. Books have been written about rebellion, free thinking, Satanism, merely for the sake of profit. It will fill their minds telling them things, which they want to hear, that might trick an impressionable mind into adopting the babble within them, as a true philosophy.
Even the very best works, by authors who are sincere in their beliefs, are nothing but ideas, if the reader does not put those words into the “fire” of scrutiny. If an idea does not work in ones life after being applied, then it is nothing but attractive prose. Weak minds will still hold on to ideas which they find attractive, because it makes them “feel” good, and to give them up, would mean admitting that perhaps they were fooled; and weak minds would rather keep being fooled, then risk appearing foolish in front of other weak minds.

There are also the old buzzards, who put down, and attack initiates, because of their own weak little egos. Yet, they are nothing more then “wannabe’s’ themselves. In reality, they are much worse then the young impressionable ones, who might truly be searching for their own path.

These dried up old farts, spew forth more foul shit, then all of the younger ones could do, if they were all in one room together.
They are the truly pathetic ones. The ones who are stuck in the fantasy, even when they had a life time to mature, yet didn’t, because their egos could not give up the coal mine, to find a few real diamonds.
You will find them creating Satanic websites, searching for young minds to pollute. They will often dress in Halloween costumes every day of the year, and might even pose with a stuffed crow. In reality, all they are, is clowns wearing a dark costume. If you see them, throw eggs.
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#3402 - 01/12/08 06:22 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Asmedious]
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I believe that the Christian concept of "Satan" or "the Devil"
as the embodiment of all things evil as utterly false.
Unfortuneately, I find that many young people attach themselves to this image as a form of rebellion. Young people rebel. It's their nature. Perhaps a few of them who are smart enough actually pick up the Satanic Bible and read it. Dr. LaVey has left a great legacy in his writings. Just look at the infernal names. It appears that these names have been around for quite some time, eh? I wonder if they had bingo in Babylon....

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#3414 - 01/13/08 03:38 AM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Satansfarm]
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I understand now, thank you. I was just kind of confused sbout all that. Yes it would be wise for them to mature enough first. I also (personally, not a fact) beleive its wise for a child to learn at young age how to mature quickly.
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#3447 - 01/14/08 11:10 AM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: faithinchaos]
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 Originally Posted By: faithinchaos
Not to sound mean, sarcastic, or stupid but why do I see posts claiming Satanism isn't bad? Then I see posts that damn the younger generation for thinking the Devil is "cool". If its about Satanic cultures wouldn't you promote the idea of the Devil being "cool"? I'm not quite getting the purpose for that, no I take that back, I'm totally lost on this one. If the purpose is to promote satanism then you will have to face the fact of new generations carrying out the beleif of satanism after everyone here passes or moves on or whatever. Otherwise your beleif and way of life is all for nothing, a lost cause to fight for basicly. But if you are trying to fight againts satanism then might I suggest you get beleifs straight first. Nobody will beleive you either way with riding a fence, get what I'm saying? So tell me whats with the whole good/bad thing going on in this forum, hmmm?

The belief of Satanism is that YOU are the devil. Those kids who go out and worship Satan as a dark god who rules over the damned in Hell is a bad perspective of what we believe. We are to embrace our carnal nature and worship ourselves as our own Gods as we are the only ones in control of our lives. There is no God or Devil telling us what to do or how to do it, in the end it just comes down to you. That is why kids stating the Devil as being "cool" is wrong as they have the whole concept of what Satanism is all about incorrect.
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#3454 - 01/14/08 12:51 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Satanic Zealot]
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If it was not for magic, Satanism would just be another philosophy. That is how I see it, anyway. Not everyone can do magic. I remember a poetry reading I attended once. The "poet" was a nice lady who basically used her time on the stage to say that "magic doesn't work". As I watched and listened, I grinned. The poor dear probably didn't have the wattage to power a flashlight. Not everyone can do magic. It is an ability that a person is born with. Anyone can research the origins of various gods and cultures, if they have the mind to do it. For some, this is satisfying enough. With magic I found that I could alter my surroundings to suit my needs. This is a practical living skill that I devote alot of time to honing.
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#3458 - 01/14/08 01:13 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Satansfarm]
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With magic I found that I could alter my surroundings to suit my needs. This is a practical living skill that I devote alot of time to honing.


Would you be willing to share, specific positive and tangible outcomes in your life, which came about through the use of "Magic" that could not have happened without it?

I am asking, because I am one of the ones who believe that "Satanism" is a philosophy, and don't believe in "Magic" at all, because I have not yet seen anything that would prove to me, that magic and ritual works, for anything but perhaps an attitude ajustment, just like so called "positive thinking" and such.
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#3465 - 01/14/08 03:20 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Asmedious]
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So magic is a birthright is it?

Is that the dogmatic bullshit they told you at your coven to make you feel special for joining? You are different than others? Perhaps you could use your magic to take home Mr. James Randi's $1,000,000. All it would take would be a demo.

Asmedious you are an intelligent person. I too am a skeptic, but I must admit I believe in magic. I have demonstrated its ability to myself in various ways. No, I do not have the "wattage" to turn on a lightbulb. I cannot share accounts of those times I levitated, threw lightning bolts, or brought about thunderstorms. I can share the following though.

Magic practice has taught me that my world is a matter of perception. It has taught me that I control my perception (though not fully yet, I am still working on it). As a result of this I have the ability to be the god of my own consciousness. It has also taught me the lesson that there isn't a soul on this planet who knows shit from good chocolate (myself included). It has shown me that my feeble ideas of the universe were nothing compared to the possibilities. It truly has been a ride from the beginning. Aside from bringing me to the brink of suicide, I'd say its been positive overall.

Try it, you might surprise yourself!
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#3468 - 01/14/08 04:34 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
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With magic I found that I could alter my surroundings to suit my needs. This is a practical living skill that I devote alot of time to honing.


Would you be willing to share, specific positive and tangible outcomes in your life, which came about through the use of "Magic" that could not have happened without it?

I am asking, because I am one of the ones who believe that "Satanism" is a philosophy, and don't believe in "Magic" at all, because I have not yet seen anything that would prove to me, that magic and ritual works, for anything but perhaps an attitude ajustment, just like so called "positive thinking" and such.


I have used magic to bash an enemy's teeth in.
I have used it in numerous other times to curse enemies
who, after the curse, are either physically harmed or scared witless. Of course, none of this can be proved in a court of law, heh heh heh.

I have even used magic to make money and get laid.

If you want "scientific" proof that any of this works, well,
you may have to wait a while. However, the coincidences are
truly remarkable.

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#3554 - 01/17/08 11:43 AM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Satansfarm]
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I always find it interesting how many magicians' first claim to magical ability is the tales of smitten enemies. I find it a bit of an oddity that the removal of these enemies is not the first action, but rather their punishment. So in the end they have still an enemy. Seems sort of short sighted to me. Realistically how are you punishing your enemies through magic? How are you showing them through magic not to bother you anymore? If someone is suffering yet has no idea why (because you are launching an intangible magic attack), how are they changing their actions towards you?

Perhaps on another note; if someone is acting negatively toward you for really no reason, could it be they are having problems anyway. Not to poke at your ego but could they not be orchestrating their own problems?

As far as money making, and getting laid I like to use a little thing called personality! It doesn't work every time, but much of it. Much less work than setting up an altar, sacrificing goats, not to mention the clean-up.

In the end its just jealousy. I wasn't born into magic like you. I'm sorry, I can't allow my ego to see that there are those with genuine special powers out there that others simply don't have. I want to be all powerful too! Thats why I don't believe peoples "magic" claims. It's also why I don't believe in psychics, mediums, seances, cold readers, etc., etc..

Please smite me!
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#3555 - 01/17/08 11:55 AM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: birdstrike]
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Excellent points, Birdstrike. The most effective magick against an enemy is not their destruction, but the release of the power they hold over you. If you make their presence in your life meaningless, you disarm them completely. This is merely a sound piece of reasoning, but some of us choose to call it magick. There's no hocus-pocus. Rituals, if done, are done so to cleanse the mind and re-establish one's control over his/her life and goals. Some people need the altar, candles, and pageantry. Others don't. We each choose to manifest our power and influence in different ways. Some call it magick...some have more "rational" definitions. To each their own. Neither is right or wrong.
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#3568 - 01/17/08 06:46 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Octavius]
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I enjoy fighting
I have sadistic tendencies and I enjoy watching my enemies suffer
I also enjoy the rituals, the smells, the tastes, the swirling seas of life's lusts
i like being a Satanist
I like my own little obscure totalitarian state
I don't compare myself to other people's measuring sticks
and standards. Its ok for them.
besides magic, I am a damn good musician, and I get paid for it.
Music is rather magical
It is carried through the air
and can trigger the mind...or the crotch....

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#3569 - 01/17/08 06:48 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Satansfarm]
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Besides, if I got rid of them, I won't be able to play with them any more...sob...I will have to find new people to torture and you should know how hard it is to find reliable folks these days.
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#3570 - 01/17/08 06:49 PM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Satansfarm]
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I feed on the essence of their pain....hee hee hee
go ahead, call me a lunatic, a monster, etc etc etc
all these are fairly accurate descriptions of my somewhat warped sensitivities

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#3644 - 01/22/08 12:35 AM Re: Strange Thing I Noticed Here. [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
I feed on the essence of their pain....hee hee hee
go ahead, call me a lunatic, a monster, etc etc etc
all these are fairly accurate descriptions of my somewhat warped sensitivities


No, you are neither monster or lunatic.
Only a rather silly & helplessly pubertesque "individual".

You will either:

1.
Post at a more intelligent level.

2.
Be gone.

Consider yourself warned.

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