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#33867 - 01/11/10 10:16 PM Concise meaning of 666?
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666 is such a famous number and since we are at the 600 club, I thought this would be a good place to ask what others know about the number and what it represents.

I am looking to get a more clear and concise understanding of it.

Since 666 is a trinity of 6, first I just think about 6.
So when I analyze 6, here are my thoughts:

First of all 6 is the archetype for structure, function, and order.

The number 6(six;sex) is the balance between the spirit Kether and the earthly Malkuth, thus placing it (Tiphareth; the sun) at the center of the "tree."

Sex(6) is the union of opposites, so the six-sided shape (hexagon) is composed of one upwards triangle(above;male;spirit) unionized by one downwards triangle(below;female;matter).

666 emphasizes and encompasses the above mentioned, but 666 is also the highest triangular rep-digit number. In other words 666 is the numerical symbol of the strongest archetypal power born of Kether: The power of the sun;light;mind.

Looking at it in the macrocosm, and then the microcosm:

Macrocosm: The Planets revolve(do "work") around the Sun(666), while the Sun being in the center doesn't do any physical work: it has the most energy and it is in charge (the "boss" of the planets).

Microcosm: The Workers(employees) revolve( do work) around the Boss(CEO, etc). The Boss being at the center of operations doesn't do any physical work: he has the most mind/light/sun energy and he is in charge of the workers (the planets that revolve around him).

So it is no wonder that 666 is also symbolic of the beast/adversary, because that is what a big shot wealthy boss is going to seem like to an emPLOYee (slave) who makes nothing in comparison.

But don't piss off your boss, or as Donald Trump would say "You're fired!" as if getting burned by the SUN (Boss).


Does anyone disagree with anything I said, have any questions, or have anything to add? Your thoughts please.
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#33869 - 01/11/10 10:34 PM Re: Concise meaning of 666? [Re: Gldn Sprl Pth]
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Sometimes a number is just a number...

 Originally Posted By: Gldn Sprl Pth
First of all 6 is the archetype for structure, function, and order.


And you base this on what exactly? What if I were to say that 3 is the archetype for structure, function,and order?

Kether? Malkuth? Tiphareth? Gibberish?


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Vicarius Filii Dei (Latin: Vicar or Representative of the Son of God) is a phrase used in the forged medieval Donation of Constantine to refer to Saint Peter. It also features in the argument put forth by some Protestant groups who identify the phrase with the "number of the beast" (666) from the book of Revelation and subsequently the Pope with Antichrist, based on the counting method (gematria) of Roman numerals.
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#33874 - 01/11/10 11:27 PM Re: Concise meaning of 666? [Re: Gldn Sprl Pth]
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Boy am I ever getting into the innermost secrets of the original Church of Satan in this Forum ... Well, I like what I've seen of the 600 Club.

So 666: First please throw the entire Hebrew Cabala in the trashcan where it has always belonged, as what Anton called "occult pornography". Good. Now let's get going.

Start by reading Anton's "The Unknown Known" at the tail end of the Satanic Rituals. Notice the power of 9? Anton was a prize 'og for 9 in all of its semblances, manifestations, and radiations. Like the Pentagram, whose key is explained in Appendix #6 of The Temple of Set, 9 kicks far more Black Magical ass than RHP occultists ever imagined.

In this instance, and as used on the Church's original Seal of the Council of YouKnowWhat, 666 is merely a demonstration of 9: 6+6+6=18 and 1+8=9. 6x6x6=216 and 2+1+6=9. Wasn't that easy - and right there before you all the time. What the heck, why stop now: 18+216=234 and 2+3+4=9. 216-18=198 and 1+9+8=18 and 1+8= ... Isn't this fun?

Once sensitized to 9, the Black Magician can use its power in many ways - for calculation, prediction, suggestion, revelation. Here, I'll show you:

Think of any number between 1 and 10.
Multiply it times 9.
You now have a 2-digit number. Add the digits together to get a 1-digit number.
Subtract the Pentagram (5) from that number.
Now pick the letter of the alphabet that corresponds to your new number (example: 1=A, 2=B, etc.)
Think of a country whose name begins with that letter.
Think of an animal whose name begins with the last letter of that country's name.
Think of a fruit whose name begins with the last letter of that animal's name.

Now go to the thread "Read Concise Meaning 666 First" over in "Food & Drink".

That's the power of 9 in action. Now that you know, enjoy all sorts of experiments and operations with it.

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#33877 - 01/11/10 11:55 PM Re: Concise meaning of 666? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Good job of spoon feeding.

Dr. Aquino is right though. All of this mental masturbation about 666 and trying to warp the world to fit into IT is indeed the antichrist. The number 6 and 666 has always been more anecdotal to the Church of Satan than anything else, and, as you will learn by READING The Unknown Known at the end of The Satanic Rituals, for good reason.

And LaVey wasn't above a few inside clues to those who had their heads on straight and the blinders off. The license plates on two of his most popular vehicles carried the digits 999, being his Toronado, 999 FCS and the Cord, 999 BOM.

"Now, if 6 turned up to be 9,
I don't mind, I don't mind.
If all the hippies cut off their hair,
I don't care, I don't care.
Dig, 'CoS I got my own world to live through
And I ain't gonna copy you."

Jimi sang it... pretty sure he knew.
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#33904 - 01/12/10 08:41 PM Re: Concise meaning of 666? [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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666 is quite obviously the number of the beast in most western translations; those with a boner for the science of esoteric correspondences (aka, our lovely "occult porn") can draw a correlation to the multiplied sum of the cabalistic square of the Sun derived by Agrippa in his Three Books of Occult Philosophy; interpreted, one can come full circle by linking this to a relation to the concept of Lucifer as a solar-phallic deity akin to Horus or Sol Invictus.

Of course, this doesn't really mean squat since the original number in the earliest greek manuscripts was in fact 616.

It's fun to sort through the endless volumes of Qabalistic wisdom, only to conclude at the end that it's a giant load of nonsense. (Admittedly; nonsense of a deliciously engrossing variety.)
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#33906 - 01/12/10 09:39 PM Re: Concise meaning of 666? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Sometimes a number is just a number...

What? So you're saying sometimes a heptagon is just a square?

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6

 Originally Posted By: Gldn Sprl Pth
First of all 6 is the archetype for structure, function, and order.


And you base this on what exactly? What if I were to say that 3 is the archetype for structure, function,and order?


To me it is self-evident that 6 is structure, function, and order; that is like saying: "oh, so you think light (or heat) is required for life? And you base that on what exactly?"

Wisdom is a type of "instinctual knowledge," but if you just don't get it, then maybe you should get or read the book A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science by Michael S. Schneider. It gives the basics on all of the numbers 1-10. It's a beginner's book but you have to start somewhere. Search for it and read the reviews from Amazon.


 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6

Kether? Malkuth? Tiphareth? Gibberish?


This has to do with the Cabala (there are many correct alternative spellings for "Cabala" such as "Qabalah").

I think Michael implied the system as only Hebrew, but this is not true. It is a universal system found in many different cultures. I suggest reading The Mystical Qabalah by Dion Fortune, even though it is the Hebrew based system, because they are all basically very similar.

 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

So 666: First please throw the entire Hebrew Cabala in the trashcan where it has always belonged, as what Anton called "occult pornography". Good. Now let's get going.


How could I possibly disregard the information when much of it is self-evidently true to me? I understand most of the books are way off in regards to certain key points and omits key information, as even the book The Mystical Qabalah by Dion Fortune does, but it still has a lot of good information.

 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

Start by reading Anton's "The Unknown Known" at the tail end of the Satanic Rituals. Notice the power of 9? Anton was a prize 'og for 9 in all of its semblances, manifestations, and radiations. Like the Pentagram, whose key is explained in Appendix #6 of The Temple of Set, 9 kicks far more Black Magical ass than RHP occultists ever imagined.


I am open minded to analyzing all knowledge.

 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

In this instance, and as used on the Church's original Seal of the Council of YouKnowWhat, 666 is merely a demonstration of 9: 6+6+6=18 and 1+8=9. 6x6x6=216 and 2+1+6=9. Wasn't that easy - and right there before you all the time. What the heck, why stop now: 18+216=234 and 2+3+4=9. 216-18=198 and 1+9+8=18 and 1+8= ... Isn't this fun?


Please excuse my lack of modesty as my devil horns temporarily come out.
In regards to 666 being reduced to 18, and then again 9, I figured that out a long time ago, and it is very basic "101" knowledge in regards to analyzing 666. Speaking of 216, that number was mentioned in the movie Pi ( a Darren Aronofsky film) as being the number of letters to contain God's name. Even though the movie never revealed the "puzzle," it took me about 2 minutes to figure out that the number 216 mentioned in the movie was relating to 6 cubed.

 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

Once sensitized to 9, the Black Magician can use its power in many ways - for calculation, prediction, suggestion, revelation. Here, I'll show you:

Think of any number between 1 and 10.
Multiply it times 9.
You now have a 2-digit number. Add the digits together to get a 1-digit number.
Subtract the Pentagram (5) from that number.
Now pick the letter of the alphabet that corresponds to your new number (example: 1=A, 2=B, etc.)
Think of a country whose name begins with that letter.
Think of an animal whose name begins with the last letter of that country's name.
Think of a fruit whose name begins with the last letter of that animal's name.

Now go to the thread "Read Concise Meaning 666 First" over in "Food & Drink".

That's the power of 9 in action. Now that you know, enjoy all sorts of experiments and operations with it.


Don't mistake me for having the intelligence level of the profane:
Because of one of the laws of 9, the two-digit number will always be a number that reduces to 9, which means that after subtracting 5 you will always get the letter "D."
The rest plays out the way it does for obvious psychological reasons.

 Originally Posted By: MawhrinSkel

I think at its core the linguistic trick mentioned above (which exists in many permutations, by the way!) is a good example of what we would term LBM.

I remember a course I took called "Mind Reading: Language, Cognition and Literature". It was an amazing course, and focused on cognitive mechanics and the mind's tendency toward certain imagery and linguistic models. The mathematical/linguistic trick played here is a perfect example of leading someone in a direction you want them to go. Sweet, sweet manipulation.

A simpler version is to write 'orange' on one side of a piece of paper and 'apple' on another, then asking people to mention a fruit. In more than 90% of all cases English-speaking subjects will respond with one of the two fruits. Simply pull out the note with the right side forward and ask how you could guess the fruit the person was thinking of.

The use of a piece of paper is a dramatic tool, much like Bergman's focus on fetishes and displays of physical aptitude in the theatre. A person eating a food item on stage will magically attract attention. A person tearing a newspaper into five exactly congruent shapes will attract attention. A person guiding your mind through an exercise will hold sway over your gullibility, since your critical faculties automatically switch off as you ride shotgun.

It's good fun, and good practice.


I see what you're doing here, like Michael, But those tricks are for kids.
Silence is Golden, so I'm done talking, besides no one really answered my question.
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#33908 - 01/12/10 09:56 PM Re: Concise meaning of 666? [Re: Gldn Sprl Pth]
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What? So you're saying sometimes a heptagon is just a square?


No. I am saying that sometimes a number is just a number. Read it again if that still didn't sink in.

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To me it is self-evident that 6 is structure, function, and order; that is like saying: "oh, so you think light (or heat) is required for life? And you base that on what exactly?"


You know, some people think it is "self evident" that there is a God, yet I still require more evidence or proof of such claims. What you are essentially saying is "it seems true to me". Sorry but the world doesn't work like that. Just believing something, no matter how sincere that belief may be, does not make it true.

So either explain how, why and to what end, a number, specifically the number 6, "is structure, function and order" or admit you are talking out your ass. And just for the sake of argument: light (or heat) is not required for life. Consider all the different species that make their homes in the greatest depths of the ocean where there is surely no light or heat.
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#33914 - 01/13/10 01:56 AM Re: Concise meaning of 666? [Re: Gldn Sprl Pth]
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As Satanarchist said, a number is a number.
There is an history behind the 666 issue, being it used in the book of revelation which was written during a time Christians were being searched after and put before the choice of converting to the old Roman religion or staying a Christian and be put to death.
The number 666 was used as a reference to the Caesar Nero who in his time was prosecuting Christians. I guess you'll find more then enough information about it if you search well enough.

There is nothing "magical" about numbers, unless ofcourse you start estimating the power of maths. Integrals, differentials, the unknown and variable "x", Pythagoras, the number i with the special ability of i^2= -1,..
And many other mathematical discoveries and possibilities.
Many numbers are used in a metaphysical way or just as a symbol, do whatever you please, but keep the bullshit like the magical power of 666 and others out of my sight if it isn't in a hystorical context.

BBC did a nice documentary once about the subject-->
clickie
click around a bit and you'll find the whole thing.


Edited by Dimitri (01/13/10 02:03 AM)
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#33916 - 01/13/10 02:41 AM The Number of the Duck [Re: Gldn Sprl Pth]
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 Originally Posted By: Gldn Sprl Pth
... Don't mistake me for having the intelligence level of the profane ... besides no one really answered my question.

Gee willikers, you're right! You asked such a bright question, and all you got were stupid answers. Forget about "The Unknown Known", fish your cherished Hebrew Cabala out of the trashcan, and spend years immersed in it.

The rest of us will probably be over on YouTube watching Walt Disney's Donald in Mathmagic Land; at least I will be, since that's more my speed.
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#33919 - 01/13/10 03:23 AM Re: The Number of the Duck [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Disney? Nah I'll be watching Iron Maiden videos:

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When I've finished doing that I'll watch The Omen:

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#33938 - 01/13/10 06:45 AM Re: The Number of the Duck [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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And we all know why 6 was afraid of 7. Because 7 8 9.

Like I said before, the whole 666 thing today is simply the insane effort of people of some level of intelligence trying desperately to cram their personal theories into an established "code of evil." You can find theory after theory after theory on why 666 is the devil's number and why it's the number that will control the world. Well, you can see the same phenomenon with 777 and other numbers. It's a case of co-option of a symbol to give some validity to an otherwise untenable delusion -- or at best a catchy and quirky theory.

But then, look at all of the gyrations and mental contortionism that we see to fit things into Satanism. The tag is a source of readymade power, so if there's a way to hang one's hat on its hook, one might feel that it lends some credence to the incredulous. Remember Satianity? Before that the Synagogue or Satan? We've seen a lot of this phenomenon here.

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#33942 - 01/13/10 10:08 AM Re: The Number of the Duck [Re: Jake999]
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I have never given numerology the study I probably should. My interest in it really came from my study of the Kabbalah.

Never the less, it has been my observation that few really seem to be able harness any power from it beyond various parlor tricks.

I don't know enough about these systems to truly discount them but there is little that would cause me to put much stock in them.

Food for thought - sometimes, burning candles and chanting to yourself in the dark is just that...
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#33979 - 01/14/10 04:52 AM Re: The Number of the Duck [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
I have never given numerology the study I probably should. My interest in it really came from my study of the Kabbalah.


An entertaining experiment to do, and which I have done, is to tell someone who doesn't know any better that last year was a (insert number here) year for them and then explain what that means, but purposely give the person the wrong number. Watch the person rationalize how incredibly accurate that was!

It's easy to do. "Correctly" calculated, a person's year number is their birth month plus birth day plus the calendar year with the resulting sum's digits added and re-added until the result is a single digit or 11 or 22. So if a person's birthday is July 13, then last year's number equals 2009 + 7 + 13 which equals 2029 - then add the digits to get 13 - then add those digits to get 4. Now tell that person their year number was 3 or 5, let's say, and watch the rationalization begin! Meanings of numbers are readily found on the web.

Rationalization works similarly with respect to astrological personality interpretation. Any practicing astrologer will tell you that to interpret a personality, it isn't enough to use only the sun sign, but the moon and rising sign as well. Thing is, once you're using three signs, there are enough different traits represented that if the customer says, "Wow, my sun sign doesn't sound like me, I'm more like this," the practitioner can almost always say, "Oh, but that trait is from your moon sign" - or, "That trait is from your rising sign" - and the customer will be amazed at how brilliant it all is! \:\)

Systems like these were invented to bilk the rubes, of course, and must have seemed almost like old friends to a carny like LaVey.
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#33999 - 01/14/10 08:36 PM Re: The Number of the Duck [Re: Baron dHolbach]
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On the subject of 666, I found my mother and father watching a video on it some months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtquNNEO7Fw

I'm aware that Walid Shoebat is a fraud, but It's still interesting how he tries to make 666 be about Islam. Even though he's a fraud, he still might be onto something about a mistranslation.

A step further (warning: contains poorly thought out conspiracy theory. Read at your own risk)

If he is correct about the mistranslation of 666, than it's very possible that Islam its self is a conspiracy, a self fulfiling prophecy designed by muhamad to create the anti christ.

*Assuming there was SOME truth to what he said.
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#34168 - 01/18/10 11:15 AM Re: Concise meaning of 666? [Re: Gldn Sprl Pth]
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The number 666 in connection with the Beast appears to have originated from the book of Revelation(s) in the Christian New Testament:

"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." (Revelation 13:18, KJV)

Revelation 13:18 in various translations

Despite fundamentalists' disdain for numerology and other 'occult' practices, there is much evidence of numerology in the New Testament.

Also, the author of the Book of Revelation was 1) not St John the Apostle (as traditionally thought), and 2) situated on the island of Patmos, famous for both natural gas fissures and psilocybin mushrooms (then as today). The kind of nightmarish visions described in Revelation are much more likely the result of ingesting such substances than an "inspiration by the Holy Spirit", despite Church dogma to the contrary...

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